Cycling in Pedestrianised Areas

Mike Gayler said:

I'm sure I've seen research refered to that indicates that there is less of a safety risk when
cyclists ride their machines rather than push them in areas where there are groups of ped's e.g.
in shopping precincts, or pedestrainised streets. Can anyone point me that way.

Does it matter. Its usually illegal and you shouldn't cycle there.

Tony

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Quoted message said:

I'm sure I've seen research refered to that indicates that there is less of a safety risk when
cyclists ride their machines rather than push them in areas where there are groups of ped's e.g.
in shopping precincts, or pedestrainised streets. Can anyone point me that way.

You may be referring to a recent (iirc) DfT report on some research into the interaction between
peds and cyclists on roads that were at least partly pedestrianised. It considered the effects
during and outside the hours of operation of the pedestrian restrictions. In very broad terms it
concluded that cyclists moderated their speeds to suit the conditions expect for a minority of
(usually) young men and hence that there was little conflict which is not the same thing at all. The
other day I was only able to locate a summary on the DfT website and not the main report

hth james

james said:

In very broad terms it concluded that cyclists moderated their speeds to suit the
conditions expect

The MTB hooligans in Swindon don't. I often wish I had a stick to push through their spokes.

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Quoted message said:

Mike Gayler said:

I'm sure I've seen research refered to that indicates that there is less of a safety risk when
cyclists ride their machines rather than push them in areas where there are groups of ped's e.g.
in shopping precincts, or pedestrainised streets. Can anyone point me that way.

Does it matter. Its usually illegal and you shouldn't cycle there.

There are two streets in Leicester which have part time cycling restrictions (Humberstonegate &
Granby Street- Clock Tower to Halford Street) and one with no restrictions (Hotel Street) where the
restrictions are very poorly understood by all. These are (Except Hotel Street) very wide
pedestrianised thoroughfares where the interactions are fine for careful cyclists, but can scare the
wits out of peds when the loonies bash through.

However that was not the basis of my question - at my workplace there is a wide pedestrian
thouroughfare between two car parks, which is the most straightforward link between the entrance to
the site and the cycle storage facility. This link is regularly used, without incident by cyclists.
However, there are dark mutterings to ban cycling along this link and I am looking for evidence to
back up my claim that this type of 'street' can be shared by careful cyclists and pedestrians.

Mike - Leicester

Mike Gayler said:

I'm sure I've seen research refered to that indicates that there is less of a safety risk when
cyclists ride their machines rather than push them in areas where there are groups of ped's e.g. in
shopping precincts, or pedestrainised streets. Can anyone point me that way.

Hi Mike

I don't cycle on pavements or in pedestrian area so can't really comment from exprience of the
relative safety of riding versus pushing. However, I do know that when in pushing mode I
occasionally have to swerve to prevent pedestrians walking into my pedals - or vice versa.

James

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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:50:25 -0000, "Tony Raven"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

🙂Mike Gayler wrote: )> I'm sure I've seen research refered to that indicates that there is less of
🙂> a safety risk when cyclists ride their machines rather than push them in )> areas where there
:are groups of ped's e.g. in shopping precincts, or )> pedestrainised streets. Can anyone point me
:that way. )> ) )Does it matter. Its usually illegal and you shouldn't cycle there.

Birmingham Council tell me not only is it legal to cycle on the pedestrianised streets in the City
Centre, it's also legal both ways despite the no entry signs at one end !
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Comm again, Mike.

In article <[email hidden]>, pmailkeey <mike@pmai
lkeey.freeserve.co.yuk> writes

Quoted message said:

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:50:25 -0000, "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote:

🙂Mike Gayler wrote: )> I'm sure I've seen research refered to that indicates that there is less of
🙂> a safety risk when cyclists ride their machines rather than push them in )> areas where there
:are groups of ped's e.g. in shopping precincts, or )> pedestrainised streets. Can anyone point me
:that way. )> ) )Does it matter. Its usually illegal and you shouldn't cycle there.

Birmingham Council tell me not only is it legal to cycle on the pedestrianised streets in the City
Centre, it's also legal both ways despite the no entry signs at one end !

That's interesting. Croydon is similar - there's a road through the pedestrian area which is
labelled one way. Closed to motor traffic but rubbish collection vehicles and such like use it. I've
(cautiously) cycled down it the wrong way past police who haven't batted an eyelid. Mind you, I
suspect they ignore the pl*nkers who take it full tilt slaloming madly too.

ttfn

Martin

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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 02:15:25 GMT, in
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(pmailkeey) said:

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:50:25 -0000, "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote:

🙂Mike Gayler wrote: )> I'm sure I've seen research refered to that indicates that there is less of
🙂> a safety risk when cyclists ride their machines rather than push them in )> areas where there
:are groups of ped's e.g. in shopping precincts, or )> pedestrainised streets. Can anyone point me
:that way. )> ) )Does it matter. Its usually illegal and you shouldn't cycle there.

Birmingham Council tell me not only is it legal to cycle on the pedestrianised streets in the City
Centre, it's also legal both ways despite the no entry signs at one end !

Same in Sutton Coldfield: The high street has a no-motor-vehicles sign at one end and a no-entry
sign the other. There is no one-way sign. As long as I do not breach the no-entry sign (i.e. as long
as I access the road from the correct end) I can cycle where I like.
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:36:55 GMT, Mike Gayler
<[email hidden]> wrote:

🙂However that was not the basis of my question - at my workplace there is )a wide pedestrian
:thouroughfare between two car parks, which is the most )straightforward link between the entrance
:to the site and the cycle )storage facility. This link is regularly used, without incident by
🙂cyclists. However, there are dark mutterings to ban cycling along this )link and I am looking for
:evidence to back up my claim that this type of )'street' can be shared by careful cyclists and
:pedestrians. )

Brum's fine with shared ped/cycle use - and in fact is the country by permitting shared use
footpaths anyway.

King's Lynn being an exception on shopping streets.
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Comm again, Mike.

Tim Woodall said:

I don't like pushing or riding a bicycle in pedestrianised areas but I'm becoming convinced that
there is a significant proportion of pedestrians who deliberately step infront of bicycles when
they hear them coming from behind in pedestrian areas. When cycling there is no noise, they don't
hear and so get a shock when the bike comes past them, when pushing they hear the click of the
freewheel and step across.

Hi Tim

Slightly OT, I had a "funny" one yesterday.

On my journey back home from the supermarket via the newsagents (£56+ paper bill unpaid- whoops!) I
just about saw two unlit pavement cyclists charging across the road in front of a car.

I, being brightly lit and wearing a light-coloured top, was more visible so received the full gammut
of the *******ing cyclists swear words from the driver.

Ain't life fun. James

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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:35:58 +0000, Richard Bates
<[email hidden]> wrote:

🙂Same in Sutton Coldfield: The high street

I take it you mean Parade - since High St is the main road through the place up from The Case Is
Altered and definitely two-way.
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