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Marianna's vaccination concerns

El Ramon Re · 2004-01-21T08:04:06+00:00

In the Health section of Reuters, an article dated 20 Jan says that more and more parents are questioning the wisdom of vaccination, and refusing to blindly follow medical advice. The article says: Marianna Toce Gerstein wondered whether as a pregnant woman she should get a flu shot. Although influenza vaccines are recommended for pregnant women, she was worried because she knows the vaccine contains a mercury-based preservative called thimerosal. She fears it could injure her unborn child. "Has anyone else struggled with this?" she asked. Don't worry, Marianna - the whole world is waking up to the dangers of the vaccinations the drug companies have been foisting on us all. The article is on: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews&storyID=4170473 The article tries to minimise Marianna's concerns, of course. The Chairman of Reuters, Christopher Hogg, was given a very lucrative job as the chairman of the drug company that makes the vaccinations, Glaxo Wellcome-SmithKline, in order to gain control of the media and give their drugs and vaccinations a positive spin. (For those who need proof of this see the Reuters and Glaxo websites. Christopher Hogg is listed as non-executive chairman on both sites: Reuters: http://about.reuters.com/csr/corporategovernance/board/christopherhogg.asp Glaxo: http://www.gsk.com/about/boardofdirectors.htm

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El Ramon Re
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21 January 2004, 08:04 UTC #1

In the Health section of Reuters, an article dated 20 Jan says that more and more parents are
questioning the wisdom of vaccination, and refusing to blindly follow medical advice.
The article says: Marianna Toce Gerstein wondered whether as a pregnant woman she should get a flu
shot. Although influenza vaccines are recommended for pregnant women, she was worried because she
knows the vaccine contains a mercury-based preservative called thimerosal. She fears it could injure
her unborn child. "Has anyone else struggled with this?" she asked.
Don't worry, Marianna - the whole world is waking up to the dangers of the vaccinations the drug
companies have been foisting on us all.
The article is on: reuters.comnewsArticle.jhtml
The article tries to minimise Marianna's concerns, of course. The Chairman of Reuters, Christopher
Hogg, was given a very lucrative job as the chairman of the drug company that makes the
vaccinations, Glaxo Wellcome-SmithKline, in order to gain control of the media and give their drugs
and vaccinations a positive spin.
(For those who need proof of this see the Reuters and Glaxo websites. Christopher Hogg is listed as
non-executive chairman on both sites:
Reuters: about.reuters.comchristopherhogg.asp Glaxo:
gsk.comboardofdirectors.htm

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R. Steve Walz
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21 January 2004, 12:01 UTC #2

El Ramon Re said:

In the Health section of Reuters, an article dated 20 Jan says that more and more parents are
questioning the wisdom of vaccination, and refusing to blindly follow medical advice.

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That's one uninformed author's prejudice.
Go research the history of public health and what has been gained, and how horrible it would be to
go backward, THEN come talk to us.
You'll be amazed to find your great-grandparents expected to lose 1 of 4 children in childhood, all
now prevented by immunizations!
The 1 in a million who might have related difficulty from it is cheap at twice the price! Steve

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Jeff
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21 January 2004, 14:04 UTC #3

"El Ramon Re" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In the Health section of Reuters, an article dated 20 Jan says that more

and
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more parents are questioning the wisdom of vaccination, and refusing to blindly follow
medical advice.
(...)
Vaccination is one of the wonders of modern science. Vaccination eliminated smallpox from the world.
And it has almost eliminated polio from the world. It had almost completely eliminated measles from
the US. While eliminating measles may not seem like a big deal (many of us grownups over 40 or so
have had it), measles is a potentially deadly disease that kills about 1 in 2000 people who get it.
And vaccination almost totally eliminated rubella from the US. What's the big deal? With rubella,
you're sick for about 3 days. But, rubella is a major cause of birth defects and can kill very young
babies or babies before birth.
Vaccinations are not without risk. But the risks are very small. Especially when you compare the
vaccinations to the risk of the illnesses they prevent.
The bottom line is that people are much better off with vaccinations. The risks are blown out-of-
proportion by the antivaccination people. And the antivaccination people confuse coincidence with
cause. Anytime an adverse event occurs around the time of vaccination, they automatically assume it
was the vaccine, when, in fact, the vaccine had nothing to do with it.
I am extremely grateful to vaccines. They save thousands of lives. In countries where vaccines are
not provided or their is an interruption in vaccination, there are deadly outbreaks of disease. I
just wish that the people would be able to get accurate information about vaccines.
Jeff

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Mdd
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21 January 2004, 14:04 UTC #4

"Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"El Ramon Re" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
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In the Health section of Reuters, an article dated 20 Jan says that more

and
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more parents are questioning the wisdom of vaccination, and refusing to blindly follow medical
advice.
(...)
Vaccination is one of the wonders of modern science. Vaccination

eliminated
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smallpox from the world. And it has almost eliminated polio from the

world.
Quoted message said:
It had almost completely eliminated measles from the US. While eliminating measles may not seem
like a big deal (many of us grownups over 40 or so

have
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had it), measles is a potentially deadly disease that kills about 1 in

2000
Quoted message said:
people who get it. And vaccination almost totally eliminated rubella from the US. What's the big
deal? With rubella, you're sick for about 3 days. But, rubella is a major cause of birth defects
and can kill very young babies or babies before birth.
Vaccinations are not without risk. But the risks are very small.

Especially
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when you compare the vaccinations to the risk of the illnesses they

prevent.
Quoted message said:

The bottom line is that people are much better off with vaccinations. The risks are blown out-of-
proportion by the antivaccination people. And the antivaccination people confuse coincidence with
cause. Anytime an adverse event occurs around the time of vaccination, they automatically assume
it was the vaccine, when, in fact, the vaccine had nothing to do with it.
I am extremely grateful to vaccines. They save thousands of lives. In countries where vaccines are
not provided or their is an interruption in vaccination, there are deadly outbreaks of disease. I
just wish that the people would be able to get accurate information about vaccines.
Jeff
Then YOU get all the vaccinations that you want. Give them to YOUR

children. Leave me and MY children out of it.

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David Wright
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21 January 2004, 16:06 UTC #5

In article said:
Then YOU get all the vaccinations that you want. Give them to YOUR children. Leave me and MY
children out of it.
Oh, you're another one of those parasites who wants to get the benefits of vaccination by having
everyone else be vaccinated. But it's too good for your precious kids.
It's a pity that, if they pick up some disease that could have been prevented by vaccination, you
won't be able to suffer in their stead.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Anth
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21 January 2004, 18:07 UTC #6

"Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"El Ramon Re" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In the Health section of Reuters, an article dated 20 Jan says that more

and
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more parents are questioning the wisdom of vaccination, and refusing to blindly follow medical
advice.
(...)
Vaccination is one of the wonders of modern science. Vaccination

eliminated
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smallpox from the world. And it has almost eliminated polio from the

world.
(That statement is based on an assumption)
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It had almost completely eliminated measles from the US. While eliminating measles may not seem
like a big deal (many of us grownups over 40 or so

have
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had it), measles is a potentially deadly disease that kills about 1 in

2000
Quoted message said:
people who get it. And vaccination almost totally eliminated rubella from the US. What's the big
deal? With rubella, you're sick for about 3 days. But, rubella is a major cause of birth defects
and can kill very young babies or babies before birth.
Vaccinations are not without risk. But the risks are very small.

Especially
Quoted message said:
when you compare the vaccinations to the risk of the illnesses they

prevent.
Quoted message said:

The bottom line is that people are much better off with vaccinations. The risks are blown out-of-
proportion by the antivaccination people. And the antivaccination people confuse coincidence with
cause. Anytime an adverse event occurs around the time of vaccination, they automatically assume
it was the vaccine, when, in fact, the vaccine had nothing to do with it.
The bottom line is that the long term effects of vaccinations are unknown.
Quoted message said:
I am extremely grateful to vaccines. They save thousands of lives. In countries where vaccines are
not provided or their is an interruption in vaccination, there are deadly outbreaks of disease. I
just wish that the people would be able to get accurate information about vaccines.
Jeff
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Jg
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21 January 2004, 18:07 UTC #7

"R. Steve Walz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The 1 in a million who might have related difficulty from it is cheap at twice the price!
Cheap to whom? Certainly not the families of kids killed/permanently disabled by vaccinations, let
alone those kids themselves, of course. Nothing--no amount of money--can compensate them for their
loss. To state that such a sacrifice ("for the good of society"😉 is "cheap" is unbelievably callous.
Tell you what: Why don't you go to a famine-ravaged region and conduct a lottery, one in which the
"winners" getting the privilege(!) of ingesting a lethal dose of, say, cyanide. Don't forget to
explain to the families of those chosen that their sacrifice is being made so that the community, as
a whole, will be better off.

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Mdd
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21 January 2004, 18:07 UTC #8

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"El Ramon Re" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In the Health section of Reuters, an article dated 20 Jan says that

more
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and
> more parents are questioning the wisdom of vaccination, and refusing

to
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> blindly follow medical advice.
(...)
Vaccination is one of the wonders of modern science. Vaccination

eliminated
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smallpox from the world. And it has almost eliminated polio from the

world.
Quoted message said:
It had almost completely eliminated measles from the US. While

eliminating
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
measles may not seem like a big deal (many of us grownups over 40 or so

have
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had it), measles is a potentially deadly disease that kills about 1 in

2000
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people who get it. And vaccination almost totally eliminated rubella

from
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the US. What's the big deal? With rubella, you're sick for about 3

days.
Quoted message said:
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But, rubella is a major cause of birth defects and can kill very young babies or babies before
birth.
Vaccinations are not without risk. But the risks are very small.

Especially
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when you compare the vaccinations to the risk of the illnesses they

prevent.
Quoted message said:

The bottom line is that people are much better off with vaccinations.

The
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risks are blown out-of-proportion by the antivaccination people. And

the
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antivaccination people confuse coincidence with cause. Anytime an

adverse
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event occurs around the time of vaccination, they automatically assume

it
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was the vaccine, when, in fact, the vaccine had nothing to do with it.
I am extremely grateful to vaccines. They save thousands of lives. In countries where vaccines
are not provided or their is an interruption

in
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Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
vaccination, there are deadly outbreaks of disease. I just wish that

the
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people would be able to get accurate information about vaccines.
Jeff
Then YOU get all the vaccinations that you want. Give them to YOUR

children. Leave me and MY children out of it.
MDD, since you clearly are of no benefit to society nor yourself, the

least you
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MUST do is not pose an epidemic threat to the rest of us.
Log-off, Drop-out, & Bugger-off.

Asinine, if I could be an epidemic threat to you, I would gladly do so.Unfortunately, I am
terminally healthy.

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Mdd
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21 January 2004, 18:07 UTC #9

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article said:
Then YOU get all the vaccinations that you want. Give them to YOUR children. Leave me and MY
children out of it.
Oh, you're another one of those parasites who wants to get the benefits of vaccination by having
everyone else be vaccinated. But it's too good for your precious kids.
It's a pity that, if they pick up some disease that could have been prevented by vaccination, you
won't be able to suffer in their stead.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

No, dumbo, I would prefer that no child was vaccinated. Sorry if you do not agree, but who cares
what you agree to anyway?

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Mark Probertjan
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21 January 2004, 19:05 UTC #10

"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
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"Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"El Ramon Re" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
In the Health section of Reuters, an article dated 20 Jan says that

more
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
and
Quoted message said:
more parents are questioning the wisdom of vaccination, and refusing

to
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
blindly follow medical advice.
(...)
Vaccination is one of the wonders of modern science. Vaccination

eliminated
Quoted message said:
smallpox from the world. And it has almost eliminated polio from the

world.
Quoted message said:
It had almost completely eliminated measles from the US. While

eliminating
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
measles may not seem like a big deal (many of us grownups over 40 or so

have
Quoted message said:
had it), measles is a potentially deadly disease that kills about 1 in

2000
Quoted message said:
people who get it. And vaccination almost totally eliminated rubella

from
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
the US. What's the big deal? With rubella, you're sick for about 3 days. But, rubella is a major
cause of birth defects and can kill very young babies or babies before birth.
Vaccinations are not without risk. But the risks are very small.

Especially
Quoted message said:
when you compare the vaccinations to the risk of the illnesses they

prevent.
Quoted message said:

The bottom line is that people are much better off with vaccinations.

The
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
risks are blown out-of-proportion by the antivaccination people. And the antivaccination people
confuse coincidence with cause. Anytime an

adverse
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
event occurs around the time of vaccination, they automatically assume

it
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
was the vaccine, when, in fact, the vaccine had nothing to do with it.
I am extremely grateful to vaccines. They save thousands of lives. In countries where vaccines
are not provided or their is an interruption in vaccination, there are deadly outbreaks of
disease. I just wish that the people would be able to get accurate information about vaccines.
Jeff
Then YOU get all the vaccinations that you want. Give them to YOUR

children. Leave me and MY children out of it.
No free rides.

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Mark Probertjan
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21 January 2004, 19:05 UTC #11

"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>, mdd <[email hidden]>

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Then YOU get all the vaccinations that you want. Give them to YOUR children. Leave me and MY
children out of it.
Oh, you're another one of those parasites who wants to get the benefits of vaccination by having
everyone else be vaccinated. But it's too good for your precious kids.
It's a pity that, if they pick up some disease that could have been prevented by vaccination,
you won't be able to suffer in their stead.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

No, dumbo, I would prefer that no child was vaccinated. Sorry if you do

not
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agree, but who cares what you agree to anyway?
This is the critter who expects everyone s/h/it disagrees with to post their personal
information....

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Mdd
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"Mark ProbertJanuary 21, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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"Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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"El Ramon Re" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In the Health section of Reuters, an article dated 20 Jan says that

more
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Quoted message said:
and
> more parents are questioning the wisdom of vaccination, and refusing

to
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> blindly follow medical advice.
(...)
Vaccination is one of the wonders of modern science. Vaccination

eliminated
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smallpox from the world. And it has almost eliminated polio from the

world.
Quoted message said:
It had almost completely eliminated measles from the US. While

eliminating
Quoted message said:
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measles may not seem like a big deal (many of us grownups over 40 or

so
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
have
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had it), measles is a potentially deadly disease that kills about 1 in

2000
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people who get it. And vaccination almost totally eliminated rubella

from
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
the US. What's the big deal? With rubella, you're sick for about 3

days.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
But, rubella is a major cause of birth defects and can kill very young babies or babies before
birth.
Vaccinations are not without risk. But the risks are very small.

Especially
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when you compare the vaccinations to the risk of the illnesses they

prevent.
Quoted message said:

The bottom line is that people are much better off with vaccinations.

The
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risks are blown out-of-proportion by the antivaccination people. And

the
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antivaccination people confuse coincidence with cause. Anytime an

adverse
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event occurs around the time of vaccination, they automatically assume

it
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was the vaccine, when, in fact, the vaccine had nothing to do with it.
I am extremely grateful to vaccines. They save thousands of lives. In countries where vaccines
are not provided or their is an interruption

in
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Quoted message said:
vaccination, there are deadly outbreaks of disease. I just wish that

the
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Quoted message said:
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people would be able to get accurate information about vaccines.
Jeff
Then YOU get all the vaccinations that you want. Give them to YOUR

children. Leave me and MY children out of it.
No free rides.
Wrong, my children are not vaccinated.

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Mark Probertjan
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21 January 2004, 20:05 UTC #13

"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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refusing
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> > blindly follow medical advice.
>
> (...)
>
> Vaccination is one of the wonders of modern science. Vaccination
eliminated
> smallpox from the world. And it has almost eliminated polio from the
world.
> It had almost completely eliminated measles from the US. While

eliminating
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> measles may not seem like a big deal (many of us grownups over 40 or

so
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have
> had it), measles is a potentially deadly disease that kills about 1

in
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2000
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from
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> the US. What's the big deal? With rubella, you're sick for about 3

days.
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> But, rubella is a major cause of birth defects and can kill very

young
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> babies or babies before birth.
>
> Vaccinations are not without risk. But the risks are very small.
Especially
> when you compare the vaccinations to the risk of the illnesses they
prevent.
>
> The bottom line is that people are much better off with

vaccinations.
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> risks are blown out-of-proportion by the antivaccination people. And

the
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> antivaccination people confuse coincidence with cause. Anytime an

adverse
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> event occurs around the time of vaccination, they automatically

assume
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it
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> was the vaccine, when, in fact, the vaccine had nothing to do with

it.
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> I am extremely grateful to vaccines. They save thousands of lives.

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> Jeff
>
> Then YOU get all the vaccinations that you want. Give them to YOUR
children. Leave me and MY children out of it.
No free rides.

Wrong, my children are not vaccinated.
(Be cafreful with your responses. When quoted, it looks like I said what you did. I fixed it,
though...)
Since your kids are not vaccinated, you are getting a free ride on herd immunity.

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"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>, mdd <[email hidden]>

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> Then YOU get all the vaccinations that you want. Give them to YOUR children. Leave me and MY
> children out of it.
Oh, you're another one of those parasites who wants to get the benefits of vaccination by
having everyone else be vaccinated. But it's too good for your precious kids.
It's a pity that, if they pick up some disease that could have been prevented by vaccination,
you won't be able to suffer in their stead.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on
my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

No, dumbo, I would prefer that no child was vaccinated. Sorry if you do

not
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agree, but who cares what you agree to anyway?
This is the critter who expects everyone s/h/it disagrees with to post

their
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personal information....

THAT'S the best you can come up with? Hehehehehehehe

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Mark Probertjan
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"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Mark ProbertJanuary 21, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email hidden]>, mdd <[email hidden]>

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>
> > Then YOU get all the vaccinations that you want. Give them to YOUR children. Leave me and
> > MY children out of it.
>
> Oh, you're another one of those parasites who wants to get the benefits of vaccination by
> having everyone else be vaccinated. But it's too good for your precious kids.
>
> It's a pity that, if they pick up some disease that could have been prevented by
> vaccination, you won't be able to suffer in their stead.
>
> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
> always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing
> on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
>
>
>
>
>
>
No, dumbo, I would prefer that no child was vaccinated. Sorry if you

do
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not
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agree, but who cares what you agree to anyway?
This is the critter who expects everyone s/h/it disagrees with to post

their
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personal information....

THAT'S the best you can come up with? Hehehehehehehe
When the facts speak for themselves, yes, it is the best. remember, I am not an altie and I do not
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> > It's a pity that, if they pick up some disease that could have been prevented by
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> > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're
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do
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THAT'S the best you can come up with? Hehehehehehehe
When the facts speak for themselves, yes, it is the best. remember, I am

not
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Sad, hehehehehehe

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> > >
> > > It's a pity that, if they pick up some disease that could have been prevented by
> > > vaccination, you won't be able to suffer in their stead.
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THAT'S the best you can come up with? Hehehehehehehe
When the facts speak for themselves, yes, it is the best. remember, I am

not
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an altie and I do not "impprove" the facts.

Sad, hehehehehehe
Yes, you are a sad person.

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22 January 2004, 06:28 UTC #18

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more parents are questioning the wisdom of vaccination, and refusing to blindly follow medical
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Vaccination is one of the wonders of modern science. Vaccination eliminated smallpox from the
world. And it has almost eliminated polio from the world.
It didn't happen because people started defending the status quo and covering up problems.
Otherwise, leeches may have been the standard treatment today for "bad blood".

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Happy Dog
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22 January 2004, 06:28 UTC #19

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Vaccination eliminated
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smallpox from the world
Better food, sanitation, improved living conditions, and taking a bath (

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few did when smallpox was raging ) have removed smallpox from the list of plagues.
Just so I'm clear: The smallpox epidemic that decimated thge native North American population but
had far less effect on European settlers was due to a difference in hygeine?
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And it has almost eliminated polio from the world.
Only to be replaced by another disease far easier to test for and

diagnose.
[censored]. I know it's pointless to attempt to correct you. But lurkers may note your complete lack
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None of the diseases vaccinated for are fatal when properly treated.
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OK Chuck, where's smallpox? Well?
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Mark Probertjan
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It didn't happen because people started defending the status quo and covering up problems.
Otherwise, leeches may have been the standard treatment today for "bad blood".
What makes you think that leeches are Alt? They are mainstream med.

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