"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
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The french have some future with Gadret, Lefebvre and Mourey. I also count on Pospisil, Dlask
and Jezek for a top-10 place.
Replying here, but comment is to thread -
Number one, Gucci does not make a steel hanger for that bike. JP is not in a position to have
some hangers made up on a vertical mill, please. That is a dumbass thing to suggest. Same as
welding on gussets? How are you going to weld on a gusset to an aluminum der. hanger? He has
been [censored] about it, but beyond having custom parts machined on a CNC or something (ever
actually LOOKED at a bolt on der. hanger before?) his hands are tied.
Dumbass -
You are ignorant.
Don't need a CNC - any old hand operated mill will do. I have a 1958 Bridgeport, it's worth maybe
$2000, less than the cost of a bike.
Any bike builder has one of those - that's what they miter the tubes with.
I dont think I am that ignorant.
Machining a dropout/hanger is not equivalent to mitering tubes, or else the frame builders would be
making their own hangers, wouldn't they? How many hours do you think would go into making a bolt on
hanger by hand? And how much does a machine shop charge by the hour? And how much do you make for a
living riding your bike?
The hangers that are on all my AL frames, and his, are break away styles that bolt on. Its a fairly
complex shape where it bolts to the dropout, it dovetails with the dropout shape. Also the der.
tension adjustment tab would not be that simple to locate and form by hand.
NO, I am no machinist, but I did try to have one MADE by a machine shop locally for an older GT MTB,
and that part would have been pretty impractical to make manually, according to the machinists, and
they wanted to laser the profile and then machine in the features. It would have been a very
expensive piece.
I believe that direct experience, and the fact that, BTW I do 3D CAD design/engineering (solidworks,
inventor, etc) for a living, moves me slightly above IGNORANT.
You also have to put the whole thing in the context of the situation. They were fine for the first
part of the season. It sounds like the bend during the race, maybe leading to a chain suck that rips
them off, or they just bend badly. He is not crashing them off. He is not some rich masters racer
who owns ONE cross bike and races 10 times a season.
You break a couple. OK, thats why they are replacable. You start e-mailing you bike sponsor for a
new batch. Then you continue to race/ride those bikes. You break one. Now you are yelling, at the
bike sponsor, ok he only speaks italian, thats just a small complication. They are shipping you
some, but its coming from Italy, from the factory, to Belgium. You try going to a bike shop to have
some steel ones ordered. You wait a week. The first batch is close but they dont fit. You order a
second batch, you wait another week. Meanwhile you are still riding the three replacements. In
races. In Belgium. In World Cups. You are shipping the bikes to the US and back twice. Now you
thing about looking for a machine shop who will not charge you more then the frame is worth to make
some, etc.
All this in basicaly 14 weeks. And 30 international races. Plus I think he rides during the week
once in a while. And its not like he doesn't have anything else to do all week besides chase
derailleur hangers.
Bottom line, its a [censored] part. It sounds like Gucci does not use steel ones on any of its bikes. I
would hope they improve it based on this, but that does not help JP any this season.
Richard would have been all over it, no question. You pick up the phone, you get the boss. Thats
great, but that is also why people like Richard are not sponsoring US freaking Postal. Eventually
you have move on to a bigger program.
Anyway, none of this has [censored] to do with whether there are any prospects for US Cyclocross.
Ignorant J
