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  1. Snow and blizzard conditions were forecast early last week, so I booked accommodation in Braithwaite
    for 4 days from Wednesday 28th to take advantage of the conditions. I just love walking in cold,
    snowy, icy weather.

    Wednesday 28 - Red Tarn from Glenridding

    It was 4:10 in the morning as I heading north in the car from Denmead, Hampshire. A bit of a
    snowstorm in Staffordshire slowed progress, but I was parking in Glenridding car park by 10:30 ....
    and having to pay 5 pounds for parking! (It was either 3 pounds for 4 hours, or 5 pounds for 24
    hours.) I was on way to Red Tarn, via Mires Beck and Greenside Mine, by 11:00 in a small snow shower
    which didn't last too long. The sky was overcast, with a very strong wind forecast on the higher
    Fells. I skirted below Birkhouse Moor to reach Red Tarn Beck. A slow plod up the icy path around
    Catstye Cam brought me to Red Tarn .. and the full thrust of the wind and spindrift. Helvellyn was
    still under cloud and spin-drift, but I continued up to the ridge section of Swirral Edge. My plan
    was to have lunch on Helvellyn, then north over Whiteside and Raise, before returning via Greenside
    Mines. Well, I made it part way up Swirral Edge, but decided the windy and icy conditions were not
    right for me. I had iceaxe and crampons, but the ice was on exposed rock, and crampons would have
    made matters worse. I found a sheltered spot and had lunch, during which time the clouds opened to
    reveal blue sky and some great views to the northwest through north to the east. It didn't affect my
    alternative plan; I returned to Red Tarn then on to the Hole-in-the-Wall. I continued along the top
    to Birkhouse Moor, continually buffeted by the gusting wind and spindrift. It eased slightly as I
    descended from Birkhouse on my way to Lanty's Tarn, again having splendid winter views down to
    Ullswater. I returned to an icy empty car park. (Can you wonder at those prices!) Although it had
    been a very cold and windy day, and I didn't achieve my intended aim, it was none the less a great
    outing. The drive up to the A66 was interesting to say the least; ice and snow on the roads made the
    journey very slow indeed.

    Thursday 29 - Fairfield Horseshoe

    The forecast for Thursday was pretty much the same as Wednesday, although a little less windy but
    still 30/40 knts at 3000ft. So I opted for a clockwise circuit of the Fairfield Horseshoe from
    Ambleside. (I have done this route a couple of times, but not under winter conditions.) An early
    start from Braithwaite meant I was in the car park at Ambleside by 0845, having paid 6 pounds for
    parking. (Again just over 3 pounds for 4 hours, then 6 pounds for 12 hours. Seems to be a tax on
    walking in Cumbria now!) Getting over the shock of another high parking fee, I was on the road and
    track to Rydal Hall, followed by a steady ascent of Nab Scar. Broken cloud combined with the rising
    sun produced some quite stunning views as I gained height. The snow became more widespread as I
    progressed over Heron Pike and Great Rig, with the ever-present strong north-westerly wind slowing
    progress. The final push up to Fairfield was rewarded with a hot coffee and sandwich at the wind-
    shelter. I was alone on top until a walker came off Coffa Pike and took up residence in the other
    south-westerly wind-shelter. It was very pleasant sheltered from the wind, particularly gazing south
    over Windermere and out to Morecambe Bay. Anyway, lunch over it was time to make a move,
    particularly as the forecasted low cloud was beginning to envelope Helvellyn. Once packed, I
    followed the path over Hart Crag and Dove Crag, stopping between the two Crags to admire the view
    down into Dovedale. Once over Dove Crag, it was a gentle walk to High Pike, followed by a long
    descent over Low Pike then on to Low Sweden Bridge. The snow had begun to thaw making it very slushy
    on the way down. It was a short road-walk from Low Sweden Bridge back to the car park. My next stop
    was the Dog and Gun in Keswick for a couple of Theakston's bitter and a very tasty Goulash.

    Friday 30 - An Helvellyn circuit from Swirls car park.

    Having visited Helvellyn from Glenridding a few times, I decided it was time to follow a route from
    the Thirlmere side. The weather forecast wasn't particularly good for today, although the worst of
    the weather wasn't expected until PM; rain at low-level and sleet/snow on the higher Fells. Not to
    be deterred, I had another early start and was parking in the car park opposite Swirls at 0830. (I
    was not going to pay to stay in Swirls car park) I had contemplated going straight up to Helvellyn
    through Helvellyn Screes, to get the best of the weather on top, but didn't fancy a steep climb at
    the start. So, sticking to my original plan, I joined the low level path through the woods to above
    Wythburn car park. Continuing on, I stayed on the path to Raise Beck opposite Dunmail Raise. The
    cloud base was about 2000ft, but as yet no rain. In fact, it was enjoyable walking through the
    woods; even exciting as not long after joining the path I disturbed about 6 deer, which fled into
    the woods below the path. (Not sure what breed, but they all had striking white bottoms) I turned
    left at Raise Beck and followed the path up to Grisedale Tarn. Care was required on the way up as
    much of the path was covered in ice. It felt rather eerie on reaching the Tarn with cloud on Seat
    Sandal, Fairfield and Dollywaggon Pike ..... and no one else in sight. I was soon weaving my way up
    the path to reach the west side of Dollywaggon Pike, where I met the full force of the wind. It was
    time for jacket and leggings as the wind-chill was beginning to bite. I was soon underway again,
    following the path around the western side of Nethermost Pike, stopping for photos between Helvellyn
    and Nethermost Pike. The clouds cleared for a short while, showing Striding Edge in all its winter
    splendour. Camera back in the pouch, it was up the final hill section to the wind-shelter on
    Helvellyn. (Strange how the weather works, as on arriving at the shelter, the cloud base rose a
    little giving some fine views east.) It was 1230 by the time I had finished lunch, and time to be on
    the move again ... and back in the clouds once more. I had intended returning to Swirls via
    Helvellyn Screes, but I thought it a little early to be going down considering it was only just past
    midday. After consulting the map, I decided to continue north over Whiteside and Raise to Sticks
    Pass. Great idea, but on the descent from Helvellyn Lower Man the sleet started, coupled with an
    increase in wind speed. Fortunately I didn't feel cold; so on I plodded to Sticks Pass where I
    turned left down to just above Stybeck Farm. To avoid too much road walking, I followed the path
    left just above the farm that goes to Swirls car park. I left this path above Thirlspot farm and
    descended to the road. It was then a short walk back to the car. It had been a long walk, 12.5 miles
    with 4100ft of ascent, very wet for the last couple of hours, but still very enjoyable.

    I had planned to walk on Saturday too, but the weather was foul with heavy prolonged rain forecast
    all day with clouds down to valley level. Now, as much as I love walking on the Fells, I do like to
    experience the scenery of the mountains at some point in the walk, not staring into hill fog for 5
    or 6 hours! Well, I decided to call it a day and head off home on the Saturday morning. However,
    Clare and I are back in the Lakes on the 28 Feb for a week, so still plenty of walking opportunities
    to be had.

    Photos from the 3 days are at the web address below.

    Stats for the 3 days:

    Distance covered: 32.6 miles Total ascent: 10,797ft

    --
    Sandy Saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk

    'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still brings
    the same excitement'

  2. sandy saunders said:

    having paid 6 pounds for parking.

    Nice TR Sandy but you can avoid this ridiculous charge by parking near the church at Rydal.

    --

    Paul

    My Lake District walking site (updated 29th September 2003):

    paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com

  3. Quoted message said:

    Nice TR Sandy but you can avoid this ridiculous charge by parking near the church at Rydal.

    Cheers for that Paul. I was looking for road-side parking as I past Rydal Hall on the way into
    Ambleside but didn't spot any. Will keep that in mind for future use though.

    --
    Sandy Saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk

    'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still brings
    the same excitement'

  4. I was supposed to be going up on a regular trip to Patterdale in 3 weeks but can't make it this
    year. Your pictures made the disappointment a lot worse, damn it!

    --
    Bob Mannix (anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

    "sandy saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aPaTb.15108$YV1.9849@newsfep4-
    winn.server.ntli.net...

    Quoted message said:

    Snow and blizzard conditions were forecast early last week, so I booked accommodation in
    Braithwaite for 4 days from Wednesday 28th to take advantage of the conditions. I just love
    walking in cold, snowy, icy weather.

    Wednesday 28 - Red Tarn from Glenridding

    It was 4:10 in the morning as I heading north in the car from Denmead, Hampshire. A bit of a
    snowstorm in Staffordshire slowed progress, but I


    was

    Quoted message said:

    parking in Glenridding car park by 10:30 .... and having to pay 5 pounds


    for

    Quoted message said:

    parking! (It was either 3 pounds for 4 hours, or 5 pounds for 24 hours.)


    I

    Quoted message said:

    was on way to Red Tarn, via Mires Beck and Greenside Mine, by 11:00 in a small snow shower which
    didn't last too long. The sky was overcast, with


    a

    Quoted message said:

    very strong wind forecast on the higher Fells. I skirted below Birkhouse Moor to reach Red Tarn
    Beck. A slow plod up the icy path around Catstye


    Cam

    Quoted message said:

    brought me to Red Tarn .. and the full thrust of the wind and spindrift. Helvellyn was still under
    cloud and spin-drift, but I continued up to the ridge section of Swirral Edge. My plan was to have
    lunch on Helvellyn,


    then

    Quoted message said:

    north over Whiteside and Raise, before returning via Greenside Mines.


    Well,

    Quoted message said:

    I made it part way up Swirral Edge, but decided the windy and icy


    conditions

    Quoted message said:

    were not right for me. I had iceaxe and crampons, but the ice was on exposed rock, and crampons
    would have made matters worse. I found a sheltered spot and had lunch, during which time the
    clouds opened to


    reveal

    Quoted message said:

    blue sky and some great views to the northwest through north to the east. It didn't affect my
    alternative plan; I returned to Red Tarn then on to


    the

    Quoted message said:

    Hole-in-the-Wall. I continued along the top to Birkhouse Moor,


    continually

    Quoted message said:

    buffeted by the gusting wind and spindrift. It eased slightly as I descended from Birkhouse on my
    way to Lanty's Tarn, again having splendid winter views down to Ullswater. I returned to an icy
    empty car park. (Can you wonder at those prices!) Although it had been a very cold and windy day,
    and I didn't achieve my intended aim, it was none the less a great outing. The drive up to the A66
    was interesting to say the least; ice and snow on the roads made the journey very slow indeed.

    Thursday 29 - Fairfield Horseshoe

    The forecast for Thursday was pretty much the same as Wednesday, although


    a

    Quoted message said:

    little less windy but still 30/40 knts at 3000ft. So I opted for a clockwise circuit of the
    Fairfield Horseshoe from Ambleside. (I have done this route a couple of times, but not under
    winter conditions.) An early start from Braithwaite meant I was in the car park at Ambleside by
    0845, having paid 6 pounds for parking. (Again just over 3 pounds for 4 hours, then 6 pounds
    for 12 hours. Seems to be a tax on walking in Cumbria now!) Getting over the shock of another
    high parking fee, I was on the road and track to Rydal Hall, followed by a steady ascent of Nab
    Scar. Broken


    cloud

    Quoted message said:

    combined with the rising sun produced some quite stunning views as I


    gained

    Quoted message said:

    height. The snow became more widespread as I progressed over Heron Pike


    and

    Quoted message said:

    Great Rig, with the ever-present strong north-westerly wind slowing progress. The final push up to
    Fairfield was rewarded with a hot coffee


    and

    Quoted message said:

    sandwich at the wind-shelter. I was alone on top until a walker came off Coffa Pike and took up
    residence in the other south-westerly wind-shelter. It was very pleasant sheltered from the wind,
    particularly gazing south


    over

    Quoted message said:

    Windermere and out to Morecambe Bay. Anyway, lunch over it was time to


    make

    Quoted message said:

    a move, particularly as the forecasted low cloud was beginning to envelope Helvellyn. Once packed,
    I followed the path over Hart Crag and Dove Crag, stopping between the two Crags to admire the
    view down into Dovedale.


    Once

    Quoted message said:

    over Dove Crag, it was a gentle walk to High Pike, followed by a long descent over Low Pike then
    on to Low Sweden Bridge. The snow had begun to thaw making it very slushy on the way down. It was
    a short road-walk from Low Sweden Bridge back to the car park. My next stop was the Dog and Gun


    in

    Quoted message said:

    Keswick for a couple of Theakston's bitter and a very tasty Goulash.

    Friday 30 - An Helvellyn circuit from Swirls car park.

    Having visited Helvellyn from Glenridding a few times, I decided it was


    time

    Quoted message said:

    to follow a route from the Thirlmere side. The weather forecast wasn't particularly good for
    today, although the worst of the weather wasn't expected until PM; rain at low-level and
    sleet/snow on the higher Fells. Not to be deterred, I had another early start and was parking in
    the car park opposite Swirls at 0830. (I was not going to pay to stay in Swirls


    car

    Quoted message said:

    park) I had contemplated going straight up to Helvellyn through Helvellyn Screes, to get the best
    of the weather on top, but didn't fancy a steep climb at the start. So, sticking to my original
    plan, I joined the low level path through the woods to above Wythburn car park. Continuing on, I
    stayed on the path to Raise Beck opposite Dunmail Raise. The cloud base


    was

    Quoted message said:

    about 2000ft, but as yet no rain. In fact, it was enjoyable walking


    through

    Quoted message said:

    the woods; even exciting as not long after joining the path I disturbed about 6 deer, which fled
    into the woods below the path. (Not sure what breed, but they all had striking white bottoms) I
    turned left at Raise


    Beck

    Quoted message said:

    and followed the path up to Grisedale Tarn. Care was required on the way


    up

    Quoted message said:

    as much of the path was covered in ice. It felt rather eerie on reaching the Tarn with cloud on
    Seat Sandal, Fairfield and Dollywaggon Pike .....


    and

    Quoted message said:

    no one else in sight. I was soon weaving my way up the path to reach the west side of Dollywaggon
    Pike, where I met the full force of the wind. It was time for jacket and leggings as the wind-
    chill was beginning to bite.


    I

    Quoted message said:

    was soon underway again, following the path around the western side of Nethermost Pike, stopping
    for photos between Helvellyn and Nethermost


    Pike.

    Quoted message said:

    The clouds cleared for a short while, showing Striding Edge in all its winter splendour. Camera
    back in the pouch, it was up the final hill section to the wind-shelter on Helvellyn. (Strange how
    the weather works, as on arriving at the shelter, the cloud base rose a little giving some


    fine

    Quoted message said:

    views east.) It was 1230 by the time I had finished lunch, and time to


    be

    Quoted message said:

    on the move again ... and back in the clouds once more. I had intended returning to Swirls via
    Helvellyn Screes, but I thought it a little early


    to

    Quoted message said:

    be going down considering it was only just past midday. After consulting the map, I decided
    to continue north over Whiteside and Raise to Sticks Pass. Great idea, but on the descent
    from Helvellyn Lower Man the sleet started, coupled with an increase in wind speed.
    Fortunately I didn't


    feel

    Quoted message said:

    cold; so on I plodded to Sticks Pass where I turned left down to just


    above

    Quoted message said:

    Stybeck Farm. To avoid too much road walking, I followed the path left


    just

    Quoted message said:

    above the farm that goes to Swirls car park. I left this path above Thirlspot farm and descended
    to the road. It was then a short walk back


    to

    Quoted message said:

    the car. It had been a long walk, 12.5 miles with 4100ft of ascent, very wet for the last couple
    of hours, but still very enjoyable.

    I had planned to walk on Saturday too, but the weather was foul with heavy prolonged rain forecast
    all day with clouds down to valley level. Now, as much as I love walking on the Fells, I do like
    to experience the scenery


    of

    Quoted message said:

    the mountains at some point in the walk, not staring into hill fog for 5


    or

    Quoted message said:

    6 hours! Well, I decided to call it a day and head off home on the


    Saturday

    Quoted message said:

    morning. However, Clare and I are back in the Lakes on the 28 Feb for a week, so still plenty of
    walking opportunities to be had.

    Photos from the 3 days are at the web address below.

    Stats for the 3 days:

    Distance covered: 32.6 miles Total ascent: 10,797ft

    --
    Sandy Saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk

    'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still brings the same excitement'

  5. Bob Mannix said:

    I was supposed to be going up on a regular trip to Patterdale in 3 weeks but can't make it this
    year. Your pictures made the disappointment a lot worse, damn it!

    I'd make you feel better by posting some pictures from last weekend if I could, but it was too wet
    to take any. It rained heavily from Friday night until Saturday night, the paths were so waterlogged
    it felt like walking on snow (absolutely no snow left BTW). I've been walking in the ELD for almost
    20 years and have never seen it as wet.

    Sunday morning was mostly dry with a few showers, pouring again by afternoon.

    S.

  6. "Simon Caldwell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Bob Mannix said:

    I was supposed to be going up on a regular trip to Patterdale in 3 weeks


    but

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    can't make it this year. Your pictures made the disappointment a lot


    worse,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    damn it!

    I'd make you feel better by posting some pictures from last weekend if I could, but it was too wet
    to take any. It rained heavily from Friday night until Saturday night, the paths were so
    waterlogged it felt like walking on snow (absolutely no snow left BTW). I've been walking in the
    ELD for almost 20 years and have never seen it as wet.

    Ah, that's better, I don't feel so bad now!

    --
    Bob Mannix (anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

  7. On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 18:39:25 +0000, Paul Rooney <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    sandy saunders said:

    having paid 6 pounds for parking.

    Nice TR Sandy but you can avoid this ridiculous charge by parking near the church at Rydal.

    As a lot of the car parks are National Trust it's often cheaper to join the NT. If you're under 26
    it's only £11.62 for a year's membership if you pay by direct debit and £25.50 for a single adult.
    (£15.50 & £34 if you don't pay by DD.) Then the NT car parks are free. Even if you hate the idea
    of visiting the NT's country houses, it pays for itself in a week's trip to the Lakes, especially if
    you're under
    26.

    Excellent TR by the way!

    Cheers

    Mike

  8. Paul Rooney said:
    sandy saunders said:

    having paid 6 pounds for parking.

    Nice TR Sandy but you can avoid this ridiculous charge by parking near the church at Rydal.

    You have to get there early usually, but Sandy would have had no trouble, I expect. I think a quid
    in the honesty box is suggested by the signs. As he says, some of the parking charges in the Lakes
    are outrageous. It's understandable from the point of view of someone occupying a valuable space all
    day in favour of several visitors all spending money, but the amount of out-of-town long-term
    parking suitable for walkers is derisory. There are some useful NT parks which are worth searching
    out - the one near Buttermere always comes to mind. They are much more reasonable even for non-
    members, and it's highly unlikely you'll get into trouble if you accidentally return 10 minutes
    late. (I think the tickets may be "portable" too.)

    --
    Team effort: A lot of people doing what I say.

    Mail john rather than nospam...

  9. John Laird said:
    Paul Rooney said:
    sandy saunders said:

    having paid 6 pounds for parking.

    Nice TR Sandy but you can avoid this ridiculous charge by parking near the church at Rydal.

    You have to get there early usually, but Sandy would have had no trouble, I expect. I think a quid
    in the honesty box is suggested by the signs.

    I saw no honesty box. It's not a car park - just roadside parking.

    Quoted message said:

    As he says, some of the parking charges in the Lakes are outrageous. It's understandable from the
    point of view of someone occupying a valuable space all day in favour of several visitors all
    spending money, but the amount of out-of-town long-term parking suitable for walkers is derisory.
    There are some useful NT parks which are worth searching out - the one near Buttermere always
    comes to mind. They are much more reasonable even for non-members, and it's highly unlikely you'll
    get into trouble if you accidentally return 10 minutes late. (I think the tickets may be
    "portable" too.)

    Noted.

    --

    Paul

    My Lake District walking site (updated 29th September 2003):

    paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com

  10. Quoted message said:

    As a lot of the car parks are National Trust it's often cheaper to join the NT. If you're under 26
    it's only £11.62 for a year's membership if you pay by direct debit and £25.50 for a single adult.
    (£15.50 & £34 if you don't pay by DD.) Then the NT car parks are free. Even if you hate the idea
    of visiting the NT's country houses, it pays for itself in a week's trip to the Lakes, especially
    if you're under
    26.

    Already a member the NT and use their car parking wherever possible. However, not sure where all
    their parking areas are in the Lakes. Should look to see if there is any indication of parking list
    areas on their website.

    Quoted message said:

    Excellent TR by the way!

    Thanks

    --
    Sandy Saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk

    'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still brings
    the same excitement'

  11. Quoted message said:

    I'd make you feel better by posting some pictures from last weekend if I could, but it was too wet
    to take any. It rained heavily from Friday night until Saturday night, the paths were so
    waterlogged it felt like walking on snow (absolutely no snow left BTW). I've been walking in the
    ELD for almost 20 years and have never seen it as wet.

    Thats why I retired early back south Saturday morning ....... the Lakes weather can be really
    'boring' at times.

    --
    Sandy Saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk

    'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still brings
    the same excitement'

  12. "sandy saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Already a member the NT and use their car parking wherever possible. However, not sure where all
    their parking areas are in the Lakes. Should look to see if there is any indication of parking
    list areas on their website.

    They do a leaflet. My good deed for the day:

    Lanthwaite Wood NY 149 215 Buttermere NY 174 172 Honister Pass NY 225 135 Seatoller NY 246 137
    Rosthwaite NY 257 148 Bowderstone NY 254 167 Watendlath NY 276 164 Kettlewell NY 269 196 Great Wood
    NY 272 213 Aira Force NY 397 206 Glencoyne bay NY 387 188 Wasdale Head NY 182 074 Old Dungeon Gill
    NY 285 062 Stickle Ghyll NY 284 064 Elterwater NY 329 047 Silverthwaite NY 342 037 White Moss Common
    NY 348 067 Tarn Hows SD 329 993 Ash Landing SD 388 955 Sandscale Haws SD 199 758

  13. Paul Rooney said:

    (parking near Rydal church)

    I saw no honesty box. It's not a car park - just roadside parking.

    The side-road up to Rydal Mount ? Yes, it is just roadside parking up the hill alongside the church,
    but I'm sure there are small notices. Anyway, it cuts out a rather boring trudge back to Ambleside
    if you follow the horseshoe anti-clockwise. I think it is possible to cut through the estate and
    connect to the normal route via Low Sweden Bridge, avoiding the town and its usurious parking
    charges altogether.

    --
    Fighting for peace is like screaming for quiet.

    Mail john rather than nospam...

  14. John Laird said:
    Paul Rooney said:

    (parking near Rydal church)

    I saw no honesty box. It's not a car park - just roadside parking.

    The side-road up to Rydal Mount ? Yes, it is just roadside parking up the hill alongside the
    church, but I'm sure there are small notices. Anyway, it cuts out a rather boring trudge back to
    Ambleside if you follow the horseshoe anti-clockwise. I think it is possible to cut through the
    estate and connect to the normal route via Low Sweden Bridge, avoiding the town and its usurious
    parking charges altogether.

    My shortcut (clockwise route) involved a couple of tricky obstacles to begin with, by way of head-
    high bracken and mini-crags, and a wall or two, from a point a few hundred yards S of Low Pike
    summit. Then I had a very pleasant wander around the woods to the E of Rydal Mount.

    --

    Paul

    My Lake District walking site (updated 29th September 2003):

    paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com

  15. How much trade does Ambleside lose, due to parking charges... I never go there anymore, and I doubt
    I am the only one.

  16. Quoted message said:

    They do a leaflet. My good deed for the day:

    That's a great deed.

    Thanks Andy

    --
    Sandy Saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk

    'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still brings
    the same excitement'

  17. "Richard Webb" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    How much trade does Ambleside lose, due to parking charges... I never go there anymore, and I
    doubt I am the only one.

    Not much judging by the fact that the car parks are often full by mid morning at busy times
    of the year.

  18. (Richard Webb) said:

    How much trade does Ambleside lose, due to parking charges... I never go there anymore, and I doubt
    I am the only one.

    On a busy day, the whole place (including the car park) is gridlocked and the queue for the car park
    backs up in every direction. They probably don't much care about lost business to a handful of
    cheapskates (no offence, I'm proud to be one too) on quiet days.

    --
    I don't have a solution but I admire the problem.

    Mail john rather than nospam...

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