What a joke.

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That's so Photo shopped! ;-)

It's been said many times before, but it most certainly isn't. If you zoom in you should be able to
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Ahh, Good to see you're using flat pedals...

Flats for jumping, clipless for riding.

So what happens when you're out riding and come across some jumps? Thats part of why I will only
consider full sus bikes with a full range of seat hight adjustment. Because I don't want to be
limited when I'm out on an xc-oriented ride. If I see something that looks like a bit of an
interesting diversion then I don't want to have to pass it up because I'm on my xc bike or whatever.
I'd rather have the options open then be able to hammer efficiently.

Steve E.

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I see some posts that say " Dude, I can do 3 - 6 ft drops no problem"

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I see the drops that they are talking about and fall out of my spandex lmmfao. 3'-6' drops.
Yeah, right! a foot and a half at the most.

Hmmm,

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Lets see. I have a friend that rides who happens to be about 6'7"

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these dewbies are claiming that they are capable of doing a drop that

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taller than my riding bud. I have seen a rare few do such drops.

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they are skilled, and core. Not the curb jumping mesa state college students. I love it when
people overstate their riding abilities.

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drop in to Horsethief is a prime example. Many claim to. Only a few

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That's so Photo shopped! ;-)

Nah, but the front wheel on the after shot was.......

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Ahh, Good to see you're using flat pedals...

Flats for jumping, clipless for riding.

So what happens when you're out riding and come across some jumps?

I'm more than capable of jumping in spuds. If I was going to specifically go out for a jumping
session on the mtb (which, incidentally I no longer do), I'd put flats on.

Thats

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part of why I will only consider full sus bikes with a full range of seat hight adjustment.
Because I don't want to be limited when I'm out on an xc-oriented ride. If I see something that
looks like a bit of an interesting diversion then I don't want to have to pass it up because I'm
on my xc bike or whatever. I'd rather have the options open then be able to hammer efficiently.

Each to their own. Personally, I'd rather have the efficiency of spuds than riding in flats on the
off chance that there might be something interesting to ride, 15 miles down the trail.

As of present, I've not come across anything on an XC ride where I wished I'd had flats, and these
days I tend to find super steep technical 'off-piste style' stuff (for which I find spuds ok) more
interesting than jumps or drops. If there was a jump / drop _that_ good, then I'd probably come back
another time with the bmx.

The other thing is, that I tend to be more cautious nowadays anyway. For the most part I ride
alone, so getting stuck miles from the car / home with a broken leg / wheel is not a situation I
want to be in.

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Definitely some major pucker factor there!

Mike

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I kept on screaming for the guy in front to change gear. Nice vid though - place added to list of
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>Ahh, Good to see you're using flat pedals...

Flats for jumping, clipless for riding.

So what happens when you're out riding and come across some jumps?

I'm more than capable of jumping in spuds. If I was going to specifically go out for a jumping
session on the mtb (which, incidentally I no longer do), I'd put flats on.

Thats

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part of why I will only consider full sus bikes with a full range of seat hight adjustment.
Because I don't want to be limited when I'm out on an xc-oriented ride. If I see something that
looks like a bit of an

interesting

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diversion then I don't want to have to pass it up because I'm on my xc

bike

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or whatever. I'd rather have the options open then be able to hammer efficiently.

Each to their own. Personally, I'd rather have the efficiency of spuds than riding in flats on the
off chance that there might be something interesting to ride, 15 miles down the trail.

Dammit why do you have to insist on reasoned arguement, spuds are just wrong

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As of present, I've not come across anything on an XC ride where I wished I'd had flats, and these
days I tend to find super steep technical 'off-piste style' stuff (for which I find spuds ok) more
interesting than jumps or drops. If there was a jump / drop _that_ good, then I'd probably come
back another time with the bmx.

And ride 15 miles down the trail on your bmx?

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The other thing is, that I tend to be more cautious nowadays anyway. For the most part I ride
alone, so getting stuck miles from the car / home with a broken leg / wheel is not a situation I
want to be in.

Ahh, you've been pussified!!!!

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That's so Photo shopped! ;-)

It's been said many times before, but it most certainly isn't. If you zoom in you should be able
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Besides, Bomba's rubbish at photoshopping anyway.

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That's so Photo shopped! ;-)

It's been said many times before, but it most certainly isn't. If you zoom in you should be able
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Besides, Bomba's rubbish at photoshopping anyway.

Alas, it's true 🙁

I did think about pointing that out, but then realised I'd have to provide evidence...

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Each to their own. Personally, I'd rather have the efficiency of spuds than riding in flats on the
off chance that there might be something interesting to ride, 15 miles down the trail.

Dammit why do you have to insist on reasoned arguement,

I know, crazy of me even considering using it on Usenet 🙂

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spuds are just wrong

Uh, ok. My bad. I'll put on some Odyssey triple traps when I get home.

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As of present, I've not come across anything on an XC ride where I wished I'd had flats, and these
days I tend to find super steep technical 'off-piste style' stuff (for which I find spuds ok) more
interesting than jumps or drops. If there was a jump / drop _that_ good, then I'd probably come
back another time with the bmx.

And ride 15 miles down the trail on your bmx?

Come now, just because something is 15 miles in to the ride, it does not mean that one has to cycle
15 miles to reach that point.

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The other thing is, that I tend to be more cautious nowadays anyway. For the most part I ride
alone, so getting stuck miles from the car / home with a broken leg / wheel is not a situation I
want to be in.

Ahh, you've been pussified!!!!

Nice use of your new favourite adjective. I suppose in a way, I have calmed down - as Austin said,
"Right now we have freedom and responsibility, it's a very groovy time".

Fancy coming down the skatepark for backflip practice? 🙂

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The other thing is, that I tend to be more cautious nowadays anyway. For the most part I ride
alone, so getting stuck miles from the car / home with a broken leg / wheel is not a situation I
want to be in.

Ahh, you've been pussified!!!!

Nice use of your new favourite adjective. I suppose in a way, I have calmed down - as Austin said,
"Right now we have freedom and responsibility, it's a very groovy time".

Fancy coming down the skatepark for backflip practice? 🙂

Yeah sure I'm there. Uh-oh wait a mo', I've got err that thing y'know with the umm yes thats it I
have to adjust the tension on my flat pedals!

Are you still trying to pull one after you tweaked your neck? what are you using as a landing - foam
pit / water / fruitbooters?

Steve E.

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| If you're talking about Horsethief Bench, I've always wondered if anyone actually rode the whole
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Exceptionally nice!

But at the 2:00 mark, I don't see how man and bike made it between tree and cliff 🙂

DJ

You are so right. Suspension only makes up for lack of skill.

TJ not really wanting 100 inches of travel

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I see some posts that say " Dude, I can do 3 - 6 ft drops no problem"

Then

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I see the drops that they are talking about and fall out of my spandex lmmfao. 3'-6' drops.
Yeah, right! a foot and a half at the most.

Hmmm,

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Lets see. I have a friend that rides who happens to be about 6'7"

Some

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of

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these dewbies are claiming that they are capable of doing a drop that

is

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taller than my riding bud. I have seen a rare few do such drops.

Usually

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they are skilled, and core. Not the curb jumping mesa state college students. I love it when
people overstate their riding abilities.

The

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drop in to Horsethief is a prime example. Many claim to. Only a few

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TJ can't wait until I get that 100 inches of rear travel.

Personally, 2-2.5 feet is about my limit so far, judged by wheel diameter. Interestingly enough,
I've actually managed to clear a log (on the flats) that was just about the same size as my
wheel... I was sure I was going to endo, but had just enough momentum to get down off the sucker.
It was much easier the next few times, but drops still elude me. Something about me being afraid
for my straight-gauge aluminum hardtail 😉 Personally, tho, I'm fine not doing bigger drops. I'd
rather have a twisty ribbon of singletrack, maybe a technical climbing section, or just some fun
rock crawling. I do have my eye on one sweet 3 foot drop at home, maybe I'll do it with my
doublesquish once I get it 😉

No disrespect meant but if you think you need a double-boinger to attempt

a

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three foot drop, then you probably shouldn't attempt the three foot drop. What I'm trying to say
is that technique is best learnt on a hardtail, and full sus is no substitute.

Steve E.

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I see some posts that say " Dude, I can do 3 - 6 ft drops no problem"

Then

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I see the drops that they are talking about and fall out of my spandex lmmfao. 3'-6' drops. Yeah,
right! a foot and a half at the most.

Hmmm,

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Lets see. I have a friend that rides who happens to be about 6'7" Some

of

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these dewbies are claiming that they are capable of doing a drop that is taller than my riding
bud. I have seen a rare few do such drops.

Usually

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they are skilled, and core. Not the curb jumping mesa state college students. I love it when
people overstate their riding abilities. The drop in to Horsethief is a prime example. Many claim
to. Only a few

have.

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TJ can't wait until I get that 100 inches of rear travel.

Personally, 2-2.5 feet is about my limit so far, judged by wheel diameter. Interestingly enough,
I've actually managed to clear a log (on the flats) that was just about the same size as my
wheel... I was sure I was going to endo, but had just enough momentum to get down off the sucker.
It was much easier the next few times, but drops still elude me. Something about me being afraid
for my straight-gauge aluminum hardtail 😉 Personally, tho, I'm fine not doing bigger drops. I'd
rather have a twisty ribbon of singletrack, maybe a technical climbing section, or just some fun
rock crawling. I do have my eye on one sweet 3 foot drop at home, maybe I'll do it with my
doublesquish once I get it 😉

No disrespect meant but if you think you need a double-boinger to attempt a three foot drop, then
you probably shouldn't attempt the three foot drop. What I'm trying to say is that technique is
best learnt on a hardtail, and full sus is no substitute.

Steve E.

I'm not saying that, its just that I'm not so confident in my frame. Give me a slightly beefier
hardtail and I'd do it too. I know you don't need a fully to do that type of stuff, far from it
(trials guys, my friend on his clifcat tankass), this is more a cajones thing 😉 I'll probably end
up doing that drop whenever I get home this spring, doublesquish or not.

Just something about a straight gauge aluminum, originally 700 (complete) bike that even I can feel
the BB flexing on that I just don't trust to high impacts 😉

Jon Bond

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| But at the 2:00 mark, I don't see how man and bike made it between tree
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three foot drop, then you probably shouldn't attempt the three foot

drop.

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What I'm trying to say is that technique is best learnt on a hardtail,

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full sus is no substitute.

Steve E.

I'm not saying that, its just that I'm not so confident in my frame. Give me a slightly beefier
hardtail and I'd do it too. I know you don't need a fully to do that type of stuff, far from it
(trials guys, my friend on his clifcat tankass), this is more a cajones thing 😉 I'll probably end
up doing that drop whenever I get home this spring, doublesquish or not.

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| TJ not really wanting 100 inches of travel

Nope. Dead wrong.

Suspension doesn't neccessarily make up for a lack of skill, although it can.

Suspension does allow you to ride faster/longer/bigger on some trails.

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If you're talking about Horsethief Bench, I've always wondered if anyone actually rode the whole
way down since any mistakes to the left would be long and nasty.

bloocow - afraid of heights.

That was a fun technical descent. I only rode it once... and had no problems getting down it on my
Loco-Moto. I remember shortly after I got to the bottom that I ripped my pedal from my crankarm,
threads and all. That was pretty much the end of that ride... had to limp back to the trailhead
with only one pedal. haha.

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Awesome trail.

-John Morgan

The Waterfall at south mountain scares me more. =)

I've never seen wet sand on the Waterfall. Sometimes Horsethief is covered and traction is just
about nil.

JD

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I do have my eye on one sweet 3 foot drop

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at home, maybe I'll do it with my doublesquish once I get it 😉

No disrespect meant but if you think you need a double-boinger to attempt a three foot drop,
then you probably shouldn't attempt the three foot drop. What I'm trying to say is that
technique is best learnt on a hardtail, and full sus is no substitute.

Seconded. Suspension is not a replacement for skill.

I'll third that. I do 3' drops on a rigid singlespeed all of the time.

JD

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I do have my eye on one sweet 3 foot drop

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at home, maybe I'll do it with my doublesquish once I get it 😉

No disrespect meant but if you think you need a double-boinger to attempt a three foot drop, then
you probably shouldn't attempt the three foot drop. What I'm trying to say is that technique is
best learnt on a hardtail, and full sus is no substitute.

Seconded. Suspension is not a replacement for skill.

I'm not saying it is. But a better built bike inspires a lot more confidence than a gary fisher with
not-so-nice-looking welds, seatstays that flex like hulk hogan when you brake, and a bottom bracket
that twists even under my small weight and torque. And any full suspension I'm going to buy is going
to be a better quality bike. The major thing holding me back from doing bigger drops is lack of
confidence; I'm sure I can do it, I just can't convince myself to 😉 Taking away one more reason for
a lack of confidence is what's making the difference.

Jon Bond