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  1. A few quick q's for the experts here...

    I had been training pretty hard for about 6-8 weeks (new year and all that). Dieting, LT
    threshold rides, longer interval training, etc. I had put in about 815 miles (road and trainer)
    between Jan 1 and Feb 19. I raised my LT from around 163 bpm to somewhere between 170-174 (I
    think my max is 181-183).

    I contracted a BAD respiratory virus two weeks ago and didn't ride for 12 days, when I barely
    managed to do 45 min easy on the trainer on day 12 and did 52 miles this morning (day 14).

    I am still slightly sick and am seeing the doc again today.

    My Q's: Since I began a layoff at a fairly high fitness level, will I lose as much fitness as I
    would if I was less trained? How much fitness should I expect to lose (I was afraid to wear a HR
    monitor today...I didn't want to see those numbers!) How long will it take me to regain the same
    fitness level given a two week layoff?

    Drug q: I know that ephedra/caffeine is supposed to have some sort of a performance benefit. I also
    know that ephedra raises heart rate. If a rider has an LT of 170, but takes e/c, which artificially
    raises HR, say, 5 bpm, wouldn't there be a performance detriment (rider would go anaerobic sooner
    due to artificially boosted hr?)??? Does pseudephedrine or other cold medicines have this effect?

    Thank you all in advance, Cat who is really bummed out

  2. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Cat Dailey
    A few quick q's for the experts here...

    I had been training pretty hard for about 6-8 weeks (new year and all that). Dieting, LT
    threshold rides, longer interval training, etc. I had put in about 815 miles (road and trainer)
    between Jan 1 and Feb 19. I raised my LT from around 163 bpm to somewhere between 170-174 (I
    think my max is 181-183).

    I contracted a BAD respiratory virus two weeks ago and didn't ride for 12 days, when I barely
    managed to do 45 min easy on the trainer on day 12 and did 52 miles this morning (day 14).

    I am still slightly sick and am seeing the doc again today.

    My Q's: Since I began a layoff at a fairly high fitness level, will I lose as much fitness as I
    would if I was less trained? How much fitness should I expect to lose (I was afraid to wear a HR
    monitor today...I didn't want to see those numbers!) How long will it take me to regain the same
    fitness level given a two week layoff?

    Drug q: I know that ephedra/caffeine is supposed to have some sort of a performance benefit. I also
    know that ephedra raises heart rate. If a rider has an LT of 170, but takes e/c, which artificially
    raises HR, say, 5 bpm, wouldn't there be a performance detriment (rider would go anaerobic sooner
    due to artificially boosted hr?)??? Does pseudephedrine or other cold medicines have this effect?

    Thank you all in advance, Cat who is really bummed out

    That sucks. I don't know the answers to your questions, but I'd go back to base training for a week or two before doing LT work again. You have to be very careful with those respiratory viruses - there's a chance you can have some sort of nasty infection in your heart that can screw you up royally. Make sure you're good and well before going out of the aerobic zone - it's still early enough in the season to get back up to speed. If you rush, you could end up sicker and screwing up your entire summer.

    Ask yourself if you were dieting too much, or ramping up too much too soon - this could be the reason you got sick in the first place. Take it easy, get better, and work your way back into shape slowly.

    Best of luck!

  3. "pedalchick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Cat Dailey said:

    A few quick q's for the experts here...

    <major snippage>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My Q's: Since I began a layoff at a fairly high fitness level, will I lose as much fitness as
    I would if I was less trained? How much


    fitness

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    should I expect to lose (I was afraid to wear a HR monitor today...I didn't want to see those
    numbers!) How long will it take me to regain the same fitness level given a two week layoff?
    Drug q: I know that ephedra/caffeine is supposed to have some sort of


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    performance benefit. I also know that ephedra raises heart rate. If a rider has an LT of 170,
    but takes e/c, which artificially raises HR, say, 5 bpm, wouldn't there be a performance
    detriment (rider would go anaerobic sooner due to artificially boosted hr?)??? Does


    pseudephedrine

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    or other cold medicines have this effect? Thank you all in advance, Cat who is really
    bummed out

    That sucks. I don't know the answers to your questions, but I'd go back to base training for a
    week or two before doing LT work again. You have to be very careful with those respiratory viruses
    - there's a chance you can have some sort of nasty infection in your heart that can screw you up
    royally. Make sure you're good and well before going out of the aerobic zone - it's still early
    enough in the season to get back up to speed. If you rush, you could end up sicker and screwing up
    your entire summer.

    Ask yourself if you were dieting too much, or ramping up too much too soon - this could be the
    reason you got sick in the first place. Take it easy, get better, and work your way back into
    shape slowly.

    Best of luck!

    --


    Thanks for the wishes...I don't think I was dieting too much or ramping up too fast, but I do get
    exposed to a lot of nasty [censored] at the gym where I work. It was probably a combination of all three
    things. Picking up a virus while under calorie restriction (moderate) and hard training. <sigh> Cat

  4. I would agree with Pedalchik here. I see a lot of people make this mistake, not the leastof which
    was Jan Ullrich. It is best to focus on weight loss OR fitness and not both at once. I also see you
    doing far too much LT and long interval work early in the season. Taken together, you are lucky it
    wasn't much worse. Most riders overlook the need of short intervals early in the year and never
    bridge that gap later. Regarding your fitness question, though, I can speak from very recent
    personal experience.

    I had a good level of fitness at the end of November, but then suffered a pretty bad ankle sprain
    and then picked up the flu 5 days later (the one-two punch). Needless to say, when I retested myself
    on the 31st of December my fitness was gone. To make matters worse the weather was horribly cold in
    New England and I was leaving for a coaching foray with clients in California. I needed fitness
    badly, so I went back to the basics.

    10-12 hrs/week (most on the trainer - 2 hrs at a time usually), with a mix of high intensity short
    (1 min or less) intervals, easy riding, STR work on the bike, tempo work and a touch of threshold
    after 3 weeks. [Note: Windtrainer rides are much tougher than rode miles, so don't be afraid to cut
    back or rest more.] I knew I would be in the hole in California, but once there I rode about
    everyday for an average of 3 hrs per day with some (short) interval days. I retested myself when I
    got back and saw a 40% improvement.

    The lesson here is that much of your fitness is probably gone, but not forgotten. Stick with an
    easier schedule and more base fitness (LT fine tunes fitness, making it a poor choice for base
    training - ie, a little goes a long way). I would also skip the dieting and maybe take a look at the
    South Beach Diet, you can learn a lot about eating from
    it. If you have specific training questions, contact me.

    Regarding your drug question, the research is pretty clear: Ephedra imporves high intensity
    sustained activity (30 sec or more) and does little for endurance. The small increase in HR could be
    a detriment, but probably has little effect overall.

    Good Luck, Chris Harnish, M.S. Exercise Physiologist & Coach People Cycle, Inc. www.peoplecycle.org

    "Cat Dailey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    A few quick q's for the experts here...

    I had been training pretty hard for about 6-8 weeks (new year and all that). Dieting, LT threshold
    rides, longer interval training, etc. I had put in about 815 miles (road and trainer) between Jan
    1 and Feb 19. I raised my LT from around 163 bpm to somewhere between 170-174 (I think my max is
    181-183).

    I contracted a BAD respiratory virus two weeks ago and didn't ride for 12 days, when I barely
    managed to do 45 min easy on the trainer on day 12 and did 52 miles this morning (day 14).

    I am still slightly sick and am seeing the doc again today.

    My Q's: Since I began a layoff at a fairly high fitness level, will I lose as much fitness as I
    would if I was less trained? How much fitness should I expect to lose (I was afraid to wear a HR
    monitor today...I didn't want to see those numbers!) How long will it take me to regain the same
    fitness level given a two week layoff?

    Drug q: I know that ephedra/caffeine is supposed to have some sort of a performance benefit. I
    also know that ephedra raises heart rate. If a rider has an LT of 170, but takes e/c, which
    artificially raises HR, say, 5 bpm, wouldn't there be a performance detriment (rider would go
    anaerobic sooner due to artificially boosted hr?)??? Does pseudephedrine or other cold medicines
    have this effect?

    Thank you all in advance, Cat who is really bummed out

  5. socalcycling.comcategories.htm

  6. In article <[email hidden]>, chris

    Quoted message said:

    I needed fitness badly, so I went back to the basics.

    10-12 hrs/week (most on the trainer - 2 hrs at a time usually), with a mix of high intensity short
    (1 min or less) intervals, easy riding, STR work on the bike, tempo work and a touch of threshold
    after 3 weeks.

    This sounds strangely familiar. :-)

    Quoted message said:

    Regarding your drug question, the research is pretty clear: Ephedra imporves high intensity
    sustained activity (30 sec or more) and does little for endurance. The small increase in HR could
    be a detriment, but probably has little effect overall.

    If the stroke volume remained the same wouldn't the increased HR cause more blood to be moved
    through the system?

    -WG

  7. "chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I would agree with Pedalchik here. I see a lot of people make this mistake, not the leastof which
    was Jan Ullrich. It is best to focus on weight loss OR fitness and not both at once. I also see
    you doing far too much LT and long interval work early in the season. Taken together, you are
    lucky it wasn't much worse. Most riders overlook the need of short intervals early in the year and
    never bridge that gap later. Regarding your fitness question, though, I can speak from very recent
    personal experience.

    I don't understand this....isn't the point of training improved fitness? So why not improve fitness
    and undergo a slight calorie restriction to lose weight at the same time? And I always thought that
    you should do longer interval training earlier in the season and progress to shorter anaerobic
    efforts closer to racing season (I usually start these in April). Am I wrong in this? Don't forget,
    I ride all year, so to do long, easy rides
    (ie: the weird "base training" thing) seems counterproductive to me. It's not as if I ever *stop*
    riding, I just go a little easier in November/December. I typically range between 8000-10000
    miles per year.

    Quoted message said:

    I had a good level of fitness at the end of November, but then suffered a pretty bad ankle sprain
    and then picked up the flu 5 days later (the one-two punch). Needless to say, when I retested
    myself on the 31st of December my fitness was gone. To make matters worse the weather was horribly
    cold in New England and I was leaving for a coaching foray with clients in California. I needed
    fitness badly, so I went back to the basics.

    That's a bummer for me....sounds as if you started back all over again.

    Quoted message said:


    10-12 hrs/week (most on the trainer - 2 hrs at a time usually), with a mix of high intensity short
    (1 min or less) intervals, easy riding, STR work on the bike, tempo work and a touch of threshold
    after 3 weeks. [Note: Windtrainer rides are much tougher than rode miles, so don't be afraid to
    cut back or rest more.] I knew I would be in the hole in California, but once there I rode about
    everyday for an average of 3 hrs per day with some (short) interval days. I retested myself when I
    got back and saw a 40% improvement.

    I did do some days where the intervals were shorter, but I don't see the point of doing a lot of
    base miles (junk miles?) when I never stopped riding all year.

    Quoted message said:


    The lesson here is that much of your fitness is probably gone, but not forgotten. Stick with an
    easier schedule and more base fitness (LT fine tunes fitness, making it a poor choice for base
    training - ie, a little goes a long way). I would also skip the dieting and maybe take a look at
    the South Beach Diet, you can learn a lot about eating from
    it. If you have specific training questions, contact me.

    Darn. What HR zone do you envision for this base training period? Also, I eat very, very well. Lots
    of lean protein, high fiber carbs, fruits and veggies, which is sort of a natural South Beach diet
    for me (Phase 2 and on). All I do when I want to get superlean is limit my calories a reasonable
    amount so that I have a slight caloric deficit every day. I do factor in for aerobic activity, but
    not for weight training.

    Quoted message said:


    Regarding your drug question, the research is pretty clear: Ephedra imporves high intensity
    sustained activity (30 sec or more) and does little for endurance. The small increase in HR could
    be a detriment, but probably has little effect overall.

    Would cold medicines have the same effect? (I want to avoid an artificial increase in HR).

    Thank you so much for your time in writing a great, informative response, even though you made me a
    bit bummed about the loss of fitness :<

    Cat

    Quoted message said:


    Good Luck, Chris Harnish, M.S. Exercise Physiologist & Coach People Cycle, Inc.
    www.peoplecycle.org

    "Cat Dailey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A few quick q's for the experts here...

    I had been training pretty hard for about 6-8 weeks (new year and all


    that).

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Dieting, LT threshold rides, longer interval training, etc. I had put


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    about 815 miles (road and trainer) between Jan 1 and Feb 19. I raised


    my LT

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    from around 163 bpm to somewhere between 170-174 (I think my max is 181-183).

    I contracted a BAD respiratory virus two weeks ago and didn't ride for


    12

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    days, when I barely managed to do 45 min easy on the trainer on day 12


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    did 52 miles this morning (day 14).

    I am still slightly sick and am seeing the doc again today.

    My Q's: Since I began a layoff at a fairly high fitness level, will I


    lose

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    as much fitness as I would if I was less trained? How much fitness


    should

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I expect to lose (I was afraid to wear a HR monitor today...I didn't


    want to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    see those numbers!) How long will it take me to regain the same fitness level given a two week
    layoff?

    Drug q: I know that ephedra/caffeine is supposed to have some sort of a performance benefit. I
    also know that ephedra raises heart rate. If a rider has an LT of 170, but takes e/c, which
    artificially raises HR,


    say, 5

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    bpm, wouldn't there be a performance detriment (rider would go anaerobic sooner due to
    artificially boosted hr?)??? Does pseudephedrine or other cold medicines have this effect?

    Thank you all in advance, Cat who is really bummed out

  8. "Clovis Lark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    socalcycling.comcategories.htm

    I don't get this Clovis...maybe my sarcasm meter isn't working?

    Cat

  9. "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, chris

    Quoted message said:

    I needed fitness badly, so I went back to the basics.

    10-12 hrs/week (most on the trainer - 2 hrs at a time usually), with a mix of high intensity
    short (1 min or less) intervals, easy riding, STR work on the bike, tempo work and a touch of
    threshold after 3 weeks.

    This sounds strangely familiar. :-)

    Quoted message said:

    Regarding your drug question, the research is pretty clear: Ephedra imporves high intensity
    sustained activity (30 sec or more) and does little for endurance. The small increase in HR
    could be a detriment, but probably has little effect overall.

    If the stroke volume remained the same wouldn't the increased HR cause more blood to be moved
    through the system?

    -WG

    I was thinking more in terms of perceived exertion...the elevated HR might make the effort seem
    harder than it ordinarily would, no?

    Cat

  10. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cat Dailey
    [B]"chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I would agree with Pedalchik here. I see a lot of people make this mistake, not the leastof which
    was Jan Ullrich. It is best to focus on weight loss OR fitness and not both at once. I also see
    you doing far too much LT and long interval work early in the season. Taken together, you are
    lucky it wasn't much worse. Most riders overlook the need of short intervals early in the year and
    never bridge that gap later. Regarding your fitness question, though, I can speak from very recent
    personal experience.



    I don't understand this....isn't the point of training improved fitness? So why not improve fitness
    and undergo a slight calorie restriction to lose weight at the same time? And I always thought that
    you should do longer interval training earlier in the season and progress to shorter anaerobic
    efforts closer to racing season (I usually start these in April). Am I wrong in this? Don't forget,
    I ride all year, so to do long, easy rides
    (ie: the weird "base training" thing) seems counterproductive to me. It's not as if I ever *stop*
    riding, I just go a little easier in November/December. I typically range between 8000-10000
    miles per year.


    Quoted message said:

    [/B]

    [/quote]

    That was my question exactly when I read that response. I do the same thing - after race season I don't completely quit exercising, I just don't do any intensity at all for a couple months, and then start back with sub-LT long intervals and leg strength drills, and then work my way up to short high intensity intervals just before race season starts.

    Anyhow, Cat, don't be too despondent. Sounds like Chris was off the bike for a month. You've only been off two weeks, and your fitness won't be completely gone. I'd say you'll feel kind of behind for a couple weeks, but if you have an excellent base of fitness from riding year 'round for several years, I can't see where you'll be back at square one.

    There was just an article on Velonews about that heart virus thingy:
    velonews.com5567.0.html

    Not to freak you out or anything.... The adage I've always heard is if you're sick, you can train if it's above the neck but you need to rest if it's in your chest.

    Working in a gym, I'm sure you're aware, is like being in a germ factory. I'd be sure to wash your hands a lot and never, ever, touch your eyes unless your hands are clean. I read somewhere respectable that most viruses take hold through your tear ducts (when you rub your eyes or someone sneezes in your face). Has anyone else ever heard this?

    Happy training,
    PC

  11. "pedalchick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    That sucks. I don't know the answers to your questions, but I'd go back to base training for a
    week or two before doing LT work again. You have to be very careful with those respiratory viruses
    - there's a chance you can have some sort of nasty infection in your heart that can screw you up
    royally. Make sure you're good and well before going out of the aerobic zone - it's still early
    enough in the season to get back up to speed. If you rush, you could end up sicker and screwing up
    your entire summer.


    I agree - I got a very nasty virus at the end of January which laid me up for 10 days. I had to have
    a few tests done on my heart (which I've never had problems with!) b/c the doctors were rather
    concerned. They thought it was an inflammation of the heart which was caused by the virus, and told
    me not to do any hard efforts/competition for at least four weeks or there was a risk I could drop
    dead. I followed their advice, just in case it was on the money ;-)

    I was still allowed to ride, so used the time to do some low-medium intensity training. It's been
    four weeks so I should be ok now, but it's a bit early in the season for me to be going gung ho at
    the moment. That said, today's "recon" over the Kwaremont, Paterberg, Koppenberg, etc. was somewhat
    unscheduled and it hurt, but in a nice and normal way. Luckily it was cold, wet and muddy or I'm
    sure I would have dehydrated in this harsh Belgian sun. Scratch: 1 headset, 1 chain, 1 cluster.

    cheers, Jeff

  12. Jeff Jones said:

    today's "recon" over the Kwaremont, Paterberg, Koppenberg, etc. was somewhat unscheduled and it
    hurt, but in a nice and normal way. Luckily it was cold, wet and muddy or I'm sure I would have
    dehydrated in this harsh Belgian sun. Scratch: 1 headset,

    What, from the cobble-bouncing, or sweating in those tropical temperatures?

    Quoted message said:

    1 chain, 1 cluster.

  13. "Ewoud Dronkert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Jeff Jones said:

    today's "recon" over the Kwaremont, Paterberg, Koppenberg, etc. was


    somewhat

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    unscheduled and it hurt, but in a nice and normal way. Luckily it was


    cold,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    wet and muddy or I'm sure I would have dehydrated in this harsh Belgian


    sun.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Scratch: 1 headset,

    What, from the cobble-bouncing, or sweating in those tropical temperatures?


    Cobble bouncing. Years of accumulated abuse to this poor headset. Adjusting it to "just right" means
    that it comes loose after 2km. Overtightening it affects the steering too badly. It's way past its
    use-by date.

    The chain/cluster have survived 5 months, including a month of generally crappy weather here. Gotta
    love that salt and snow.

    Damn, forgot the sunscreen *again* today.

    Jeff

  14. "Jeff Jones" <jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The chain/cluster have survived 5 months, including a month of generally crappy weather here.
    Gotta love that salt and snow.

    Try ProLink.

  15. "pedalchick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Cat Dailey said:

    "chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:a7157f5e.04030-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    [email hidden]:a7157f5e.0403040556.1b4b4bb7@post- <lots snipped>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I don't understand this....isn't the point of training improved


    fitness?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So why not improve fitness and undergo a slight calorie restriction to lose weight at the same
    time? And I always thought that you should do longer interval training earlier in the season
    and progress to shorter anaerobic efforts closer to racing season (I usually start these in
    April). Am I wrong in this? Don't forget, I ride all year, so to do long, easy rides
    (ie: the weird "base training" thing) seems counterproductive to me. It's not as if I ever
    *stop* riding, I just go a little easier in November/December. I typically range between
    8000-10000 miles per year.

    Quoted message said:

    That was my question exactly when I read that response. I do the same thing - after race season I
    don't completely quit exercising, I just don't do any intensity at all for a couple months, and
    then start back with sub-LT long intervals and leg strength drills, and then work my way up to
    short high intensity intervals just before race season starts.

    Anyhow, Cat, don't be too despondent. Sounds like Chris was off the bike for a month. You've only
    been off two weeks, and your fitness won't be completely gone. I'd say you'll feel kind of behind
    for a couple weeks, but if you have an excellent base of fitness from riding year 'round for
    several years, I can't see where you'll be back at square one.

    Thanks for the good thoughts. It's going on week #3 and a second course of antibiotics (I probably
    shouldn't ride until they are finished), but the good news is the chest x-ray showed no pneumonia.
    I'll just have to hold off for about 5 more days, I think.

    Quoted message said:


    There was just an article on Velonews about that heart virus thingy: ht- tp://www.velonews.com/train/articles/5567.0.htmlhttp://www.velonews.com-
    /train/articles/5567.0.html

    That's scary because of my mitral valve prolapse/heart murmur thingy, for which I take antibiotics
    anyway before anything invasive.

    Quoted message said:


    Not to freak you out or anything.... The adage I've always heard is if you're sick, you can train
    if it's above the neck but you need to rest if it's in your chest.

    Working in a gym, I'm sure you're aware, is like being in a germ factory. I'd be sure to wash your
    hands a lot and never, ever, touch your eyes unless your hands are clean. I read somewhere
    respectable that most viruses take hold through your tear ducts (when you rub your eyes or someone
    sneezes in your face). Has anyone else ever heard this?

    es, I have heard that as well, and I must wash my hands 20 times a day. I am really careful not to
    touch my face, either, but most of these viruses are airborne, esp. when people are sweating,
    coughing, and sneezing.

    Thanks PC,

    Cat

  16. "Jeff Jones" <jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "pedalchick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    That sucks. I don't know the answers to your questions, but I'd go back to base training for a
    week or two before doing LT work again. You have to be very careful with those respiratory
    viruses - there's a chance you can have some sort of nasty infection in your heart that can
    screw you up royally. Make sure you're good and well before going out of the aerobic zone - it's
    still early enough in the season to get back up to speed. If you rush, you could end up sicker
    and screwing up your entire summer.


    I agree - I got a very nasty virus at the end of January which laid me up for 10 days. I had to
    have a few tests done on my heart (which I've never had problems with!) b/c the doctors were
    rather concerned. They thought it was an inflammation of the heart which was caused by the virus,
    and told


    me

    Quoted message said:

    not to do any hard efforts/competition for at least four weeks or there


    was

    Quoted message said:

    a risk I could drop dead. I followed their advice, just in case it was on the money ;-)

    I was still allowed to ride, so used the time to do some low-medium intensity training. It's been
    four weeks so I should be ok now, but it's a bit early in the season for me to be going gung ho at
    the moment. That


    said,

    Quoted message said:

    today's "recon" over the Kwaremont, Paterberg, Koppenberg, etc. was


    somewhat

    Quoted message said:

    unscheduled and it hurt, but in a nice and normal way. Luckily it was


    cold,

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    wet and muddy or I'm sure I would have dehydrated in this harsh Belgian


    sun.

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    Scratch: 1 headset, 1 chain, 1 cluster.

    cheers, Jeff

    Darn, I am jealous. IF only it was 10 days, and if only I could have had a ride like yours
    today. Eastern PA near Philadelphia is not nearly so dramatic not scenic as Belgium, home of the
    hard man ;>

    Cat

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    "Jeff Jones" <jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com> wrote in message
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    That sucks. I don't know the answers to your questions, but I'd go back to base training for a
    week or two before doing LT work again. You have to be very careful with those respiratory
    viruses - there's a chance you can have some sort of nasty infection in your heart that can
    screw you up royally. Make sure you're good and well before going out of the aerobic zone -
    it's still early enough in the season to get back up to speed. If you rush, you could end up
    sicker and screwing up your entire summer.


    I agree - I got a very nasty virus at the end of January which laid me


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    for 10 days. I had to have a few tests done on my heart (which I've


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    had problems with!) b/c the doctors were rather concerned. They thought


    it

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    was an inflammation of the heart which was caused by the virus, and told


    me

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    not to do any hard efforts/competition for at least four weeks or there


    was

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    a risk I could drop dead. I followed their advice, just in case it was


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    the money ;-)

    I was still allowed to ride, so used the time to do some low-medium intensity training. It's
    been four weeks so I should be ok now, but it's


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    bit early in the season for me to be going gung ho at the moment. That


    said,

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    today's "recon" over the Kwaremont, Paterberg, Koppenberg, etc. was


    somewhat

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    unscheduled and it hurt, but in a nice and normal way. Luckily it was


    cold,

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    wet and muddy or I'm sure I would have dehydrated in this harsh Belgian


    sun.

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    Scratch: 1 headset, 1 chain, 1 cluster.

    cheers, Jeff

    Darn, I am jealous. IF only it was 10 days, and if only I could have had


    a

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    ride like yours today. Eastern PA near Philadelphia is not nearly so dramatic not scenic as
    Belgium, home of the hard man ;>

    Cat

    But there are more heart shaped tubs and mirrored walls than any place else this side of
    Intercourse. Not that that would interest a Belgian hard man. Please let Spring come soon.........

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    I don't get this Clovis...maybe my sarcasm meter isn't working?

    Perhaps... Then again... But, then again...

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    In article <[email hidden]>, chris

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    I needed fitness badly, so I went back to the basics.

    10-12 hrs/week (most on the trainer - 2 hrs at a time usually), with a mix of high intensity
    short (1 min or less) intervals, easy riding, STR work on the bike, tempo work and a touch of
    threshold after 3 weeks.

    This sounds strangely familiar. :-)

    It should, I don't flip flop on my view point. It often seems like many of my clients do similar
    programs early in the year and its largely because they're all in the hole on the anaerobic
    capacity side of things. Is it any wonder why som many of us struggle with sprinting? More on this
    in another thread.

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    Regarding your drug question, the research is pretty clear: Ephedra imporves high intensity
    sustained activity (30 sec or more) and does little for endurance. The small increase in HR
    could be a detriment, but probably has little effect overall.

    If the stroke volume remained the same wouldn't the increased HR cause more blood to be moved
    through the system?

    Well, perhaps in theory, but that doesn't seem to be what we see in the literature. In fact,
    amphetamines fail to improve performance (ie, VO2 max, time to exhaustion etc...) either, yet riders
    swore by them. Perhaps their benefit is related to CNS faitgue, which is why caffeine or ephedra
    could enhance performance, but their isn't a whole lot of evidence to support this. However, there
    is ample evidence of their positive influence on short, intense performance.

    In either case, to quell the doubters here, I took a little time to actually search the literature
    and I found (among other things): Hunter et al. said Caffeine ingestion does not alter performance
    during a 100-km cycling time-trial performance.

    Shekelle et al. stated (ncbi.nlm.nih.govquery.fcgi
    ids=12672771&dopt=Abstract): CONCLUSIONS: Ephedrine and ephedra promote modest short-term weight
    loss (approximately 0.9 kg/mo more than placebo) in clinical trials. There are no data regarding long-
    term weight loss, and evidence to support use of ephedra for athletic performance is insufficient.
    Use of ephedra or ephedrine and caffeine is associated with increased risk of psychiatric,
    autonomic, or gastrointestinal symptoms, and heart palpitations.

    Bell et al. suggested ephedra improved 10 k runs, but caffeine + Ephedra didn't do much.

    Bell et al. found that: Ephedrine increased power output during the early phase of the Wingate
    test, whereas C increased time to exhaustion and O(2) deficit during the MAOD test. C, E, and C+E
    increased blood lactate, glucose, and catecholamine levels. CONCLUSION: The improvement in
    anaerobic exercise performance is likely a result of both stimulation of the CNS by E and skeletal
    muscle by C.

    Having reviewed the last paper, I'm fairly familiar with the topic. So I'll go out on a limb and say
    that ephedra probably has little effect. I.E., I personally would not bother taking it. I don't
    think the small increase in HR would greatly improve performance, and could hurt it. If simply
    increasing HR led to improvement, then a high max HR would positiviely correlate to performance.

    CH

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    I don't understand this....isn't the point of training improved fitness? So why not improve
    fitness and undergo a slight calorie restriction to lose weight at the same time?

    It depends on your training. A lot of low intensity (some higher intensity) training is fine, but
    your regime sounded rather strenuous and caloric restiction doesn't work well with high volumes of
    intense training. Whether this was why you got sick can't be said, but it may have contributed

    And I always thought that you should do longer

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    interval training earlier in the season and progress to shorter anaerobic efforts closer to racing
    season (I usually start these in April). Am I wrong in this? Don't forget, I ride all year, so to
    do long, easy rides
    (ie: the weird "base training" thing) seems counterproductive to me. It's not as if I ever *stop*
    riding, I just go a little easier in November/December. I typically range between 8000-10000
    miles per year. I did do some days where the intervals were shorter, but I don't see the
    point of doing a lot of base miles (junk miles?) when I never stopped riding all year.

    It is a common misconception that somehow the body can't handle short intervals. I fell for this one
    for numerous years and its bullsh#t. I actually find some of the stuff I read online humorous
    because its so far fetched. In fact, I would argue the other way around, but that's just because I
    have my own views on training. I would say that you should always focus on short then long and move
    away from revolving your training around threshold (another misconcetion). There is no magic
    intensity, and actually, threshold training is more strenuous than 1 minute intervals.

    Another misconception is that base miles are "junk" miles. Glen Swan loved to talked about how you
    only training yourself slow, but not everyone can come out in April and ride hard. The fact is, base
    miles help you build on the high intensity training and vice versa. To go fast you need to go REALLY
    FAST for less time.

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    That's a bummer for me....sounds as if you started back all over


    again.

    Well not exactly. I should point out that I was not laid up for a month. I actually lost about 2
    weeks solid, like you. And, as Booth showed in 1977, two weeks of detraining sets you back almost to
    zero, at least from an enzyme standpoint, and cardiac function, as well as blood volume. However,
    you do have those capillaries and the neural pathways are intact. The point is, if you tested
    yourself, you're at near zero, but it comes back quick, so stay focused and reasonable and you'll
    move abck up fast.

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    Darn. What HR zone do you envision for this base training period? Also, I eat very, very well.
    Lots of lean protein, high fiber carbs, fruits and veggies, which is sort of a natural South Beach
    diet for me (Phase 2 and on). All I do when I want to get superlean is limit my calories a
    reasonable amount so that I have a slight caloric deficit every day. I do factor in for aerobic
    activity, but not for weight training.

    Assuming your LT zone is correct, anything up to 160-165. Blocks of tempo work are good and break
    the monotony. They also are quite effective at raising LT without being as stessful.

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    Would cold medicines have the same effect? (I want to avoid an artificial increase in HR).

    Not really. Cold meds use pseudoephedrine which is super weak. You won't get much buzz at all.

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    Thank you so much for your time in writing a great, informative response, even though you made me
    a bit bummed about the loss of fitness :<

    Don't be. I actually look at it as a new challenge and a chance to try a new approach. Now that I
    care less about race results I'm not afraid to try just about anything in training. If it works,
    I'll try it with a client, if not, I toss it. Look at this as a new challenge and you'll be more
    focused; its just one more hurdle. :~)=>..

    Best wishes, Chris

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