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Miss Violette
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7 March 2004, 11:48 UTC #121

It is a pi deal, philo dough, spinach and cheese in layers, top and bottom
crust. We used it as the main entree, but you could make it six pieces and
use as a side. It reminded me of those little spinach turnovers from a
Greek restaurant but with a little more pepper. If we have time tomorrow I
think we will have it with cauliflower and buttered parmesan noodles, Lee
Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
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What is this? Is it like a lasagna ... or a pot pie? I'm
never sure how

things
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like this will swing past the rest of the family. I'd
probably like it,

but they
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are a much fussier crew.
Joyce
On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 00:05:25 -0600, "Miss Violette"

<[email hidden]>
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Try the Mediterranean spinach pie from Trader Joe's for
something new,

that
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was tonight's dinner, really good, Lee Joyce
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Ok, ok, no pushing food ... today anyway. I haven't had
anything new

and
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interesting to push, and probably best if I didn't push
the spinach

pizza
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we had
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for dinner last night (although I'd like to, have half
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thing
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in the
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fridge still). It was good though. <G>
Joyce
On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:59:59 -0800, Fred
<[email hidden]>

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>Hey, you are not allowed to push food! (G) High tech
>toys are entirely different (G)
>
>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 01:25:58 -0600, Joyce
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>
>>Arggggggh! you are really trying hard to talk me into
>>that wirless,

aren't you?
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>>At least I push you to the cheaper things (bulk
>>icecream). <G>

Although
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... less
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>>calories in a wireless adapter.
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>>Joyce
>>
>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:47:50 -0800, Fred
>><[email hidden]>

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>>>I will not discuss weight at the moment (which
>>>appears up again this morning)
>>>
>>>Good for getting in all that exercise. I believe
>>>that I am taking

the
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>>>day off to hit the downhill slopes on cross-country
>>>gear. At least that is the email I just sent my
>>>secretary (G)
>>>
>>>Wireless is really neat. Yesterday, a few times I
>>>opened the laptop downstairs and just surfed the web
>>>and checked some stuff out. Also moved a file or two
>>>between computers.
>>>
>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:09:19 -0600, Joyce
>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Evidentally, weight dropped way down today, right
>>>>back to where it

should be. I
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>>>>did get in two treadmill sessions today though, so
>>>>made up a bit

for
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being out of
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>>>>commission for the past few days. Don't think I'm
>>>>going to make a

habit of that
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>>>>though. The time hub chooses to exercise is tough
>>>>for me. Just

finish up and
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>>>>have to move right into dinner prep - while he
>>>>rests quietly on his

chair. Guess
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>>>>I shouldn't complain, I'm probably still burning
>>>>those calories.

<G>
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>>>>I'm totally jealous of your wireless connection,
>>>>and moving into a

second one.
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>>>>I'm scared silly to even attempt the first. Then
>>>>again, maybe I

should just bite
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>>>>the bullet and do it ... while Linksys still offers
>>>>free tech

support.
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<G> I will
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>>>>definitely go with Linksys merchandise, the
>>>>customer service is

worth
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every extra
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>>>>penny.
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>>>>Joyce
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:10:56 -0800, Fred

<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>Well, [censored] about a submerged treadmill
>>>>>probably was worth some points anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, crossing fingers, Linksys gets my vote. I
>>>>>have also called a

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>>>>>times. And probably will again as I have another
>>>>>wireless to

hookup
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>>>>>(G)
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>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:37:36 -0600, Joyce
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>>>>>
>>>>>>I usually avoid tech support as much as I can,
>>>>>>didn't have a

choice
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>>>>>>issue as from what I've discovered dsl modems can
>>>>>>not be

purchased
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from any stores
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>>>>>>around me. Cable modems, yes ... dsl, no. Don't
>>>>>>know why and no

one seems to be
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>>>>>>able to give me an answer. I've contacted Linksys
>>>>>>twice now,

both
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>>>>>>been extremely helpful and courteous (maybe I've
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lucky?).
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>>>>>>calling. Paying for help with a product is one of
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that
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>>>>>>irritates me. Is it any different than visiting a
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service
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desk in a
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>>>>>>grocer? Or a

bank
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teller? next
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>>>>>>as well. I

figure
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>>>>>>salaries are already covered in the inflated
>>>>>>merchandise prices

...
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now it's just
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>>>>>>another way to nick the consumer. <sigh>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No treadmill for the past 2 days. Hub decided to
>>>>>>unload all the

bike parts on TOP
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>>>>>>of the treadmill ... thus putting me out of
>>>>>>commission. I

[censored]
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loud and long
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>>>>>>today ... bike is now put together and treadmill
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usable. MEN! <g>
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>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:29:59 -0800, Fred

<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>Sorry you had the usual response from support
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to
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>>>>>>>get going eventually. I am still waiting for
>>>>>>>linksys to end

their
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>>>>>>>pretty universal coverage - so many now charge
>>>>>>>fees IMMEDIATELY. There use to be free tech,
>>>>>>>then 90 days free tech. Now there is

NO
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>>>>>>>much of this

stuff
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Breathe deeply and hit the treadmill - oh, I
>>>>>>>don't mean with

your
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>>>>>>>fist!
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>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:59:38 -0600, Joyce
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>>>>>>>>After the day I had today, trying to get router
>>>>>>>>to work with

new
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modem, the
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>>>>>>>>for a bit. I

am
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not up to any
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>>>>>>>>more frustration. <G> Silly me thought all I
>>>>>>>>would have to do

was plug the old
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>>>>>>>>cords into the new modem and all would once
>>>>>>>>again be well.

WRONG!
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Earthlink
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>>>>>>>>switched brands of modems, would give me
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support - only told me
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>>>>>>>>I would first have to subscribe to their home-
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I was not kind,
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>>>>>>>>patience worn thin after 2.5 hours of playing
>>>>>>>>around. I

finally
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screamed at the
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>>>>>>>>guy, *can you tell me that if I pay your silly
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push
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the magic switch
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>>>>>>>>Only to be told

that customer
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my
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>>>>>>>>So on a whim I called Linksys, spoke to a
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young
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man who had me up
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router ran on wrong
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me,
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>>>>>>>>Joyce
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>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:07 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>>>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG - re: using the wireless
>>>>>>>>>adapter more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:12 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>>>>>>>LOL! Guess I could say the same where the
>>>>>>>>>>dusting and

vacuuming
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are concerned,
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>>>>>>>>>>although laundry is constantly going. I
>>>>>>>>>>ordered a new vacuum

yesterday, have no
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>>>>>>>>>>idea why - probably won't use the thing very
>>>>>>>>>>often. I would

have used the
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>>>>>>>>>>wireless router more. <G>
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>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:38:06 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>>>>>Well, then I guess I should get points for
>>>>>>>>>>>laundry and

dusting
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>>>>>>>>>>>vacuuming since I do them so infrequently my
>>>>>>>>>>>body definitely

finds
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>>>>>>>>>>>them foreign exercise!!!!! (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:40:01 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't take those laundry points either,
>>>>>>>>>>>>nor the

vacuuming,
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entire day on one
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brain
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works, and the *old*
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>>>>>>>>>>>>me would have seen that indicator from ww
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laundry
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was great exercise,
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else. And since I've
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>>>>>>>>>>>>spent the majority of my life doing laundry
>>>>>>>>>>>>... and not

losing
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weight ... I figure
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>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry is not the exercise option for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>><G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:32:46 -0600, "Miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>Violette"

<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>As far as the laundry goes, since I do the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>majority of it

I
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do not take the
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>I only take

points
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have
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lost as well as
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having said that
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>during laundry and

in
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my case I walk
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APs
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for the big
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hours with just
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discrepancy in points
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>eaten Vs calories used is part of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>mystery of WW but

along
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eventually adapt to the
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the points, Lee,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>message news:18nm30d1a1omsnsoe3r6374al7g0-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more mudslides - too bad (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll move stuff up here. Activity points
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are definitely

a
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oddball
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they
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are
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weightloss so

that
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the point
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even
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if you eat
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very
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active in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not

earning
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as many
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less fuel to
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we
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know that it
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new
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tweaks
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reasons.)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep on doing what works and keep
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why
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on some days
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to just keep the mind fresh (G)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:46:06 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joyce

<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:50:10 -0800,
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<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:40:11 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Joyce

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:09:51 -0800,
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<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>You may be right. Too little main
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lead
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weight. And maybe
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>leader who shall

remain nameless has
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>probably need more

food.
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use to gather
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>I have a feeling you may be finding
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the
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Up/down a few
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stay
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post
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*there*
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wobbling in place
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MAINTENANCE.
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belong.
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seesawing a bit is
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tomorrow. <G> I
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Well, since I read down below, I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>you needed the

mudslide to
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fact that I
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think
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morning. I need a
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>down week again! Oh, still under goal.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Up a teeny bit this morning, which I
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major. And that
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will no longer
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>I may experiment a bit. I think
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better last
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it
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accepts LESS.
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under control,
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why.
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sending signals to
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course,
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excess
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sure, is working
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right.
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snacks? They are
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Hmmmmm, not sure what to tell you on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>this one. I do

snack, usually
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definitely is
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I'm confused again. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Same here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just another constant in my life. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >used to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Joyce
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Report
Miss Violette
Archived post

7 March 2004, 12:32 UTC #122

have had their food, thanks, Lee
Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
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It's one of those original chicago pizza places, have
opened up a few

restaurants
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in the suburbs now ... Gino's east. They do have a website
where you can

order
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frozen, www.ginoseast.com which reroutes you to

featuredfoods.comc
GinoAns_East.shtml ?E+scstore+ginos
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I searched through this website yesterday, looking for
nutritional info,

couldn't
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find any. I asked the manager at the store, they had no
idea. Just now I

looked
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at the website again, but at the mailorder section and
finally found the nutritional info ... definitely not as
good as I had myself convinced.

LOL Works
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out to 9pts per large slice (but alot of protein!). Oh
well, I'm still

going to
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enjoy it on occassion. <g>
Joyce
On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 03:31:27 -0600, "Miss Violette"

<[email hidden]>
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where do you get the pizza? Lee Joyce <[email hidden]>
wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
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Alright!!!!! Today I'm pushing the costco Tuna -
shouldn't do you in

too
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badly.
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<G> I did look at the chocolate cake once again, and
brownie bites ...

they
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stayed in the store. And checked for the skinny cow
larger pack ...

nope,
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nothing
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... only healthy choice in the icecream section.
Pizza is a staple in this house, had it all the way
through ww. It's

nice
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to know
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that it can be done. I suppose what I get is somewhat
lower in points, considering it has no meat, only
spinach. And the crust is more of a

cornmeal
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crust - not a tough, doughy type. Still, much better
choices out

there -
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but as
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far as pizza goes, this is my favorite.
Joyce
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:57:57 -0800, Fred
<[email hidden]>

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>Okay, today you can push food (G)
>
>Ski trip was work. But ultimately fun after I
>stopped (g)
>
>Have not had pizza in a long while. The last time may
>have been last April in Moab, Utah (G)
>
>On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 12:25:47 -0600, Joyce
><[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Ok, ok, no pushing food ... today anyway. I haven't
>>had anything new

and
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>>interesting to push, and probably best if I didn't
>>push the spinach

pizza we had
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>>for dinner last night (although I'd like to, have
>>half of the dang

thing
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in the
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>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:59:59 -0800, Fred
>><[email hidden]>

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>>>Hey, you are not allowed to push food! (G) High tech
>>>toys are entirely different (G)
>>>
>>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 01:25:58 -0600, Joyce
>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Arggggggh! you are really trying hard to talk me
>>>>into that

wirless,
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aren't you?
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>>>>At least I push you to the cheaper things (bulk
>>>>icecream). <G>

Although ... less
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>>>>calories in a wireless adapter.
>>>>
>>>>Joyce
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:47:50 -0800, Fred

<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>I will not discuss weight at the moment (which
>>>>>appears up again

this
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>>>>>Good for getting in all that exercise. I believe
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>>>>>
>>>>>Wireless is really neat. Yesterday, a few times I
>>>>>opened the

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>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:09:19 -0600, Joyce
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>>>>>>Evidentally, weight dropped way down today, right
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a
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habit of that
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finish up and
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his
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chair. Guess
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<G>
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>>>>>>I'm totally jealous of your wireless connection,
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a
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should just bite
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>>>>>>offers free tech

support. <G> I will
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>>>>>>customer service is

worth every extra
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:10:56 -0800, Fred

<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>Well, [censored] about a submerged treadmill
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some
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>>>>>>>Yes, crossing fingers, Linksys gets my vote. I
>>>>>>>have also called

a
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>>>>>>>wireless to

hookup
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:37:36 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>I usually avoid tech support as much as I can,
>>>>>>>>didn't have a

choice with the modem
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>>>>>>>>issue as from what I've discovered dsl modems
>>>>>>>>can not be

purchased
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>>>>>>>>around me. Cable modems, yes ... dsl, no. Don't
>>>>>>>>know why and

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>>>>>>>>Linksys twice now,

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>>>>>>>>I've just been

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>>>>>>>>might have been

when I stopped
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>>>>>>>>of those things

that really
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>>>>>>>>a customer

service desk in a
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>>>>>>>>retail store? Or a cashier checking me out at a
>>>>>>>>grocer? Or a

bank teller? next
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>>>>>>>>services as well. I

figure that these
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>>>>>>>>salaries are already covered in the inflated
>>>>>>>>merchandise prices

... now it's just
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No treadmill for the past 2 days. Hub decided
>>>>>>>>to unload all

the
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bike parts on TOP
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[censored]
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loud and long
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>>>>>>>>treadmill is once again

usable. MEN! <g>
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>>>>>>>>Joyce
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>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:29:59 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>>>Sorry you had the usual response from support
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managed
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>>>>>>>>>linksys to end

their
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>>>>>>>>>fees

IMMEDIATELY.
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is
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stuff
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your
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>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:59:38 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>>>>>>>After the day I had today, trying to get
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new
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am
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not up to any
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do
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WRONG! Earthlink
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support - only told me
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finally
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push
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my
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young
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router ran on wrong
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to
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>>>>>>>>>>Makes no sense

to
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:07 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>>>>>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG - re: using the wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>adapter more.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:12 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL! Guess I could say the same where the
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vacuuming are concerned,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>ordered a new

vacuum
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yesterday, have no
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would
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have used the
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:38:06 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry and

dusting and
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>my body

definitely
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finds
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:40:01 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't take those laundry points either,
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vacuuming,
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entire day on one
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brain
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laundry was great exercise,
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else. And since I've
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losing weight ... I figure
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>me. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:32:46 -0600, "Miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Violette"

<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As far as the laundry goes, since I do
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it I
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points for things
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more mudslides - too bad (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll move stuff up here. Activity
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:46:06 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joyce

<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:50:10 -0800,
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<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:40:11 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Joyce

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:09:51 -0800,
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<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>You may be right. Too little
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lead to even more
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remain nameless has
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Same here.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just another constant in my life. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >used to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Joyce
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Fred
Archived post

7 March 2004, 15:17 UTC #123

Pushing TUNA is just fine. I like the stuff and it is
healthy.
I saw the chocolate cake but I still have some frozen so do
not NEED IT YET (G)
I saw the brownie bites as I quickly turned an aisle corner.
They are set very visibly on the aisle end. No, I just know
that those are dangerous in size and munchiness. I don't
think I could eat just one. The chocolate cake is just a
reward and it is cake and gets eaten from a plate with a
fork. Brownie bites - just pop one in and swallow, pop in
another and swallow, pop in yet a third and ...... You get
the idea. Much more dangerous than Mango (G)
I like pizza but it was never an "often" item anyway. More
when I was in Junior HS (G) when it was first introduced and
was 0.10 cents a slice with free coke!!! It was a staple
back then. I still remember the real olive oil running down
the forearm and dripping off the elbow......
Joyce said:
Alright!!!!! Today I'm pushing the costco Tuna - shouldn't
do you in too badly.
<G> I did look at the chocolate cake once again, and
brownie bites ... they stayed in the store. And
checked for the skinny cow larger pack ... nope,
nothing ... only healthy choice in the icecream
section.
Pizza is a staple in this house, had it all the way through
ww. It's nice to know that it can be done. I suppose what I
get is somewhat lower in points, considering it has no
meat, only spinach. And the crust is more of a cornmeal
crust - not a tough, doughy type. Still, much better
choices out there - but as far as pizza goes, this is my
favorite.
Joyce
Fred said:
Okay, today you can push food (G)
Ski trip was work. But ultimately fun after I stopped (g)
Have not had pizza in a long while. The last time may have
been last April in Moab, Utah (G)
Joyce said:
Ok, ok, no pushing food ... today anyway. I haven't had
anything new and interesting to push, and probably best
if I didn't push the spinach pizza we had for dinner last
night (although I'd like to, have half of the dang thing
in the fridge still). It was good though. <G>
Joyce
On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:59:59 -0800, Fred
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>Hey, you are not allowed to push food! (G) High tech
>toys are entirely different (G)
>
>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 01:25:58 -0600, Joyce
><[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Arggggggh! you are really trying hard to talk me into
>>that wirless, aren't you? At least I push you to the
>>cheaper things (bulk icecream). <G> Although ... less
>>calories in a wireless adapter.
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:47:50 -0800, Fred
>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>I will not discuss weight at the moment (which appears
>>>up again this morning)
>>>
>>>Good for getting in all that exercise. I believe that
>>>I am taking the day off to hit the downhill slopes on
>>>cross-country gear. At least that is the email I just
>>>sent my secretary (G)
>>>
>>>Wireless is really neat. Yesterday, a few times I
>>>opened the laptop downstairs and just surfed the web
>>>and checked some stuff out. Also moved a file or two
>>>between computers.
>>>
>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:09:19 -0600, Joyce
>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Evidentally, weight dropped way down today, right
>>>>back to where it should be. I did get in two
>>>>treadmill sessions today though, so made up a bit for
>>>>being out of commission for the past few days. Don't
>>>>think I'm going to make a habit of that though. The
>>>>time hub chooses to exercise is tough for me. Just
>>>>finish up and have to move right into dinner prep -
>>>>while he rests quietly on his chair. Guess I
>>>>shouldn't complain, I'm probably still burning those
>>>>calories. <G>
>>>>
>>>>I'm totally jealous of your wireless connection, and
>>>>moving into a second one. I'm scared silly to even
>>>>attempt the first. Then again, maybe I should just
>>>>bite the bullet and do it ... while Linksys still
>>>>offers free tech support. <G> I will definitely go
>>>>with Linksys merchandise, the customer service is
>>>>worth every extra penny.
>>>>
>>>>Joyce
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:10:56 -0800, Fred
>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Well, [censored] about a submerged treadmill probably
>>>>>was worth some points anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, crossing fingers, Linksys gets my vote. I have
>>>>>also called a few times. And probably will again as
>>>>>I have another wireless to hookup
>>>>>(G)
>>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:37:36 -0600, Joyce
>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I usually avoid tech support as much as I can,
>>>>>>didn't have a choice with the modem issue as from
>>>>>>what I've discovered dsl modems can not be
>>>>>>purchased from any stores around me. Cable modems,
>>>>>>yes ... dsl, no. Don't know why and no one seems to
>>>>>>be able to give me an answer. I've contacted
>>>>>>Linksys twice now, both times they have been
>>>>>>extremely helpful and courteous (maybe I've just
>>>>>>been lucky?). I've noticed the same thing with
>>>>>>support going to charging, might have been when I
>>>>>>stopped calling. Paying for help with a product is
>>>>>>one of those things that really irritates me. Is it
>>>>>>any different than visiting a customer service desk
>>>>>>in a retail store? Or a cashier checking me out at
>>>>>>a grocer? Or a bank teller? next thing ya know,
>>>>>>we'll be paying for those services as well. I
>>>>>>figure that these salaries are already covered in
>>>>>>the inflated merchandise prices ... now it's just
>>>>>>another way to nick the consumer. <sigh>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No treadmill for the past 2 days. Hub decided to
>>>>>>unload all the bike parts on TOP of the treadmill
>>>>>>... thus putting me out of commission. I [censored]
>>>>>>loud and long today ... bike is now put together
>>>>>>and treadmill is once again usable. MEN! <g>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:29:59 -0800, Fred
>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sorry you had the usual response from support
>>>>>>>people but managed to get going eventually. I am
>>>>>>>still waiting for linksys to end their pretty
>>>>>>>universal coverage - so many now charge fees
>>>>>>>IMMEDIATELY. There use to be free tech, then 90
>>>>>>>days free tech. Now there is NO tech. I guess it
>>>>>>>was to be expected since some much of this stuff
>>>>>>>has substantially dropped in price.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Breathe deeply and hit the treadmill - oh, I don't
>>>>>>>mean with your fist!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:59:38 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>After the day I had today, trying to get router
>>>>>>>>to work with new modem, the wireless option is
>>>>>>>>going to go on a back burner for a bit. I am not
>>>>>>>>up to any more frustration. <G> Silly me thought
>>>>>>>>all I would have to do was plug the old cords
>>>>>>>>into the new modem and all would once again be
>>>>>>>>well. WRONG! Earthlink switched brands of modems,
>>>>>>>>would give me absolutely no tech support - only
>>>>>>>>told me I would first have to subscribe to their
>>>>>>>>home-networking service. I was not kind, patience
>>>>>>>>worn thin after 2.5 hours of playing around. I
>>>>>>>>finally screamed at the guy, *can you tell me
>>>>>>>>that if I pay your silly fee you will push the
>>>>>>>>magic switch to make my modem communicate with my
>>>>>>>>router?* Only to be told that customer service
>>>>>>>>could give me all the details. I have a feeling
>>>>>>>>that my questions were not covered in their
>>>>>>>>manual.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So on a whim I called Linksys, spoke to a
>>>>>>>>wonderfully kind young man who had me up and
>>>>>>>>running in a few minutes. Seems that for some
>>>>>>>>reason the router ran on wrong settings with the
>>>>>>>>last modem - and of course I kept switching to
>>>>>>>>those wrong settings when trying to get this one
>>>>>>>>going. Makes no sense to me, but it did to him
>>>>>>>>and I guess that's all that matters.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:07 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG - re: using the wireless
>>>>>>>>>adapter more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:12 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>LOL! Guess I could say the same where the
>>>>>>>>>>dusting and vacuuming are concerned, although
>>>>>>>>>>laundry is constantly going. I ordered a new
>>>>>>>>>>vacuum yesterday, have no idea why - probably
>>>>>>>>>>won't use the thing very often. I would have
>>>>>>>>>>used the wireless router more. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:38:06 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Well, then I guess I should get points for
>>>>>>>>>>>laundry and dusting and vacuuming since I do
>>>>>>>>>>>them so infrequently my body definitely finds
>>>>>>>>>>>them foreign exercise!!!!! (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:40:01 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't take those laundry points either, nor
>>>>>>>>>>>>the vacuuming, dusting - general stuff that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>do easily or routinely. If I'm spending the
>>>>>>>>>>>>entire day on one activity, then I may
>>>>>>>>>>>>rethink things. I just no how my brain works,
>>>>>>>>>>>>and the *old* me would have seen that
>>>>>>>>>>>>indicator from ww saying that laundry was
>>>>>>>>>>>>great exercise, and it would have been one
>>>>>>>>>>>>more excuse not to do anything else. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>since I've spent the majority of my life
>>>>>>>>>>>>doing laundry ... and not losing weight ... I
>>>>>>>>>>>>figure laundry is not the exercise option for
>>>>>>>>>>>>me. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:32:46 -0600, "Miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>As far as the laundry goes, since I do the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>majority of it I do not take the points as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>it is a regular activity for me, I only take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>points for things that I normally do not do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I also think this is why I have lost as well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>as I have even though I have not done formal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>exercise. But having said that you also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>bend, stretch, lift and haul during laundry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and in my case I walk the length of my house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>to put them all away. I took the APs for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>big laundry adventure because it was non
>>>>>>>>>>>>>stop moving for seven hours with just three
>>>>>>>>>>>>>small breaks. It does seem that along with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the discrepancy in points eaten Vs calories
>>>>>>>>>>>>>used is part of the mystery of WW but along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>with that I think we get used to some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>activities so we actually, eventually adapt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>to the activity so we must at least change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>or add in order to eat the points, Lee, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>thinks she and Joyce are related Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:18nm30d1a1omsnsoe3r6374al7g03qotnf@4ax-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more mudslides - too bad (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll move stuff up here. Activity points
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are definitely a oddball factor in WW. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think, though, that you are correct - they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are intended as a positive benefit and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help weightloss so that the point values
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may be somewhat skewed so that you gain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit even if you eat the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calories/points. But like you, even though
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was very active in my hiking/etc, it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much easier now and I am not earning as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many points but I seem to be hungrier. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have 60 pounds less fuel to burn. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess we should not second guess this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff - we know that it works pretty well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and they do constantly come up with new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tweaks (probably both for commercial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons and practical reasons.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep on doing what works and keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questioning how and why on some days to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just keep the mind fresh (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:46:06 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:50:10 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ><[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:40:11 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:09:51 -0800,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Fred <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>You may be right. Too little main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>course might lead to even more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>snacking. The body may just want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>hold at this weight. And maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>just need to cater to it. A WW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>leader who shall remain nameless has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>suggested that my weekend's probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>need more food. After all I am not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>still burning off the self-storage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>points that use to gather around my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>waist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>I have a feeling you may be finding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>or accepting the same thing that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>we're just where our bodies want or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>need to be. Up/down a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>pounds, it all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>balances out - but no dramatic drops
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>that seem to stay in place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>permanently. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>think Lesanne hit the nail on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>head in a prior post when she said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>that if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>are still losing weight easily, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>we aren't *there* yet. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>thinking, my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>friend, we are there ... whether we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>like it or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>I think you are right - I'm doing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>good job of just wobbling in place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>- like riding a bicycle - a bit left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> and bit right and mostly straight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> ahead. A bit up, a bit down and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> mostly right on MAINTENANCE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Which is as it should be when you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>where you belong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Yup, I think it is finally registering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>with me that seesawing a bit is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>just going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to be a fact of life. Down again today,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>back to where I was last week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>killed off the mudslides tonite - so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>probably back up tomorrow. <G> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Well, since I read down below, I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>you needed the mudslide to clear up the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>activity points issue (g) Other than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>fact that I will not wi officially if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>I'm too late on Weds, I think this might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>be another slightly up week - so says
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>the scale this morning. I need a down
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>week again! Oh, still under goal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Up a teeny bit this morning, which I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >expected - nothing major. And that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>bottle is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >now gone, out, been removed from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >premises ... so it will no longer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>bother me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Probably be another year before I see one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >again. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>I may experiment a bit. I think the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>snacking was better last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>night -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>that's two nights after the weekend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>And I recall it was similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>week. Or is it just that today is WI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>and my mind accepts LESS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>For the most part my snacking has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>been pretty well under control,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>with exception
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to last week. <G> Don't know what got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>into me or why. The last few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>days I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>haven't felt those same hunger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>munchies that nothing would satisfy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to keep better track of these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>episodes? I wonder if they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything to do with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>hitting a lower than usual weight,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>like the body sending signals to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>eat, eat, eat!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Well, that's the ol' set point theory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>which, of course, we definitely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>accepted as the reason why we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>not get the excess weight off BEFORE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>we got it off. But I am sure that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>body does have its limits. Starvation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>mode or a modest form of it, I'm sure,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>is working to keep the body working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>correctly and nourished right. I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>know (I wrote to Lesanne) that I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>not noticeably hungry but just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>snacking. Are those the signals that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>really do need those snacks? They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>better snacks than years past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Hmmmmm, not sure what to tell you on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>this one. I do snack, usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>(but not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>always, I'm not a saint) healthier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>options - but it definitely is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>nowhere near the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>amount that I was snacking on last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>year. When I hit those constant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>phases, I am definitely noticeably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>hungry ... to myself and everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>else. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>stomach is grumbling loudly, sometimes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>a little lightheaded or just not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>quite right. Then there are the times
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>when I am just bored and eating
>>>>>>>>>>>>>seems to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>the thing to do. THAT'S what I need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>get control of ... as I sit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>here in front
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>of my computer, definitely not hungry,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>yet there is a bowl of meringues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>sitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>right in front of me. I may go dump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>them back into the container.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Yesterday it was Meringues, mango and on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>the bike ride, that breakfast cookie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>too much stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Today *feels* like one of those days to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >me. Have you ever just felt like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>you've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >really overdone things - yet when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >thinking it all out it really wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>THAT bad?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Well, that's where I'm at today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Something I've eaten has left me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >incredibly full and bloated ... no idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >what, nothing I can really put my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>finger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >on. The only good thing about feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >this way is that it keeps me from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I haven't had one snack all day long.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Ok, here's something else I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>thinking about today ... and I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>probably way off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>base, but in my head it somewhat makes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>some sense. Regarding the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>amount of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity points earned, and eaten. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>understand that 100 calories
>>>>>>>>>>>>>expended = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity point, and this made sense to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>me as I was losing weight. Ok,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>so what if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>roughly 50 calories = 1 point , if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>ate all AP's we earned, we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>still lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight. I figured ww had us working in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>somewhat of a deficit mode,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>which really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>does make sense. BUT ... since we are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>trying to maintain ... by still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>with those same numbers, are we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>somewhat doing ourselves in by not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>eating enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>and then ending up going on a rampage a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>day or so later? Did I convey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>my thoughts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>well enough for anyone to understand? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>guess this came into play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>today when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>was thinking about the Wendy's frosty I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>had splurged on last week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Roughly 13
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points for a large one (I really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>splurged!) ... 600 or close to it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>calories.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Normally I think that it would take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>about 4 or 5 days to earn enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points to work it off. Today for some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>reason my brain kicked into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>calorie mode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>instead ... which told me that no, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>really is only 2 workout sessions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>treadmill. So if I've been working my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>tail off everyday, and only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>eating what ww
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>says I've earned ... could that explain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>those hungry days? And explain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>why my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight didn't skyrocket as I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>anticipated it would when I did hit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>that feeding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>frenzy?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Interesting. I was never quite clear on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>converting points to calories and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>activity points/exercise is even more or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>maybe less clear but you folks with TOYS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>that calculate calories burned might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>have a better handle on things. So you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>think WW did not quite tell us the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>truth?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>(G) That could explain why I lost so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> well during the program - I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> getting in the main 15-30 activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> points on a weekend a some more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> during the week. And I was better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> at limiting the snacking back then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>- driven to succeed. Or maybe since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> had my own FAT points to burn, I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> not need or desire the extra points I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> am now consuming.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I'm going on information passed along by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >others, as to the calorie vs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>points
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >conversions. And I really have no idea if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >what I'm *thinking* makes any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>sense at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >all, or has any truth behind it ... or if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I'm just outthinking myself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>once again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >My cynical mind has me thinking that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >calorie difference between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>points eaten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >and activity points is probably because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >most people will figure those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >points high in the beginning ... have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >idea as to what is really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>considered high
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >exertion. I know my perception was quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >different when I was sitting at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>220
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >pounds, than it is now. Heck, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >cruising the neighborhood leisurely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >chore to me. <g> So by giving double
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >credit (so to speak) even if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>figured high,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >you should still lose some weight. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >also thinking of ww telling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>people that 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >minutes of doing laundry is worth 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >activity points ... still can't quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>figure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >that out since 30 minutes of laundry for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >me is pretty much nothing other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>than a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >few trips up and down the stairs ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >definitely less exertion than 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>minutes on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the treadmill. I do think that drive to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >succeed is also a BIG factor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>While I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >still have that drive and still consider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >myself as trying to succeed, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>goal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >itself has definitely changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I'm confused again. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Same here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just another constant in my life. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >used to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>

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Joyce said:
It's one of those original chicago pizza places, have
opened up a few restaurants in the suburbs now ... Gino's
east. They do have a website where you can order frozen,
www.ginoseast.com which reroutes you to featuredfoods.comc
GinoAns_East.shtml?E+scstore+ginos
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I searched through this website yesterday, looking for
nutritional info, couldn't find any. I asked the manager at
the store, they had no idea. Just now I looked at the
website again, but at the mailorder section and finally
found the nutritional info ... definitely not as good as I
had myself convinced. LOL Works out to 9pts per large slice
(but alot of protein!). Oh well, I'm still going to enjoy
it on occassion. <g>
Some nutritional info is better not knowing (G). The other
day while downhill skiing I had the second half of my
pastrami sandwich for lunch. When I pulled it out, my friend
said: "THAT'S HALF!!!! YOU ONLY COUNT THAT AS SEVEN
POINTS!!!" (she did use CAPS when she said it, too!!)
(ggggggggg) I actually, only ate half of that half as lunch
and had the other half-half for dinner. But she is probably
right - but like you said, it has worked for over a year at
"SEVEN POINTS" and so I still go with it. And it is possible
that with the whole wheat bread (dyed beige), the lettuce,
pickle, tomato and pepperoncini, the fiber helps it a bit.
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Joyce
Miss Violette said:
where do you get the pizza? Lee Joyce <[email hidden]>
wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
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Alright!!!!! Today I'm pushing the costco Tuna -
shouldn't do you in too

badly.
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<G> I did look at the chocolate cake once again, and
brownie bites ...

they
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stayed in the store. And checked for the skinny cow
larger pack ... nope,

nothing
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... only healthy choice in the icecream section.
Pizza is a staple in this house, had it all the way
through ww. It's nice

to know
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that it can be done. I suppose what I get is somewhat
lower in points, considering it has no meat, only
spinach. And the crust is more of a

cornmeal
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crust - not a tough, doughy type. Still, much better
choices out there -

but as
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far as pizza goes, this is my favorite.
Joyce
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:57:57 -0800, Fred
<[email hidden]>

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>Okay, today you can push food (G)
>
>Ski trip was work. But ultimately fun after I
>stopped (g)
>
>Have not had pizza in a long while. The last time may
>have been last April in Moab, Utah (G)
>
>On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 12:25:47 -0600, Joyce
><[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Ok, ok, no pushing food ... today anyway. I haven't
>>had anything new

and
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>>interesting to push, and probably best if I didn't
>>push the spinach

pizza we had
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>>for dinner last night (although I'd like to, have half
>>of the dang thing

in the
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>>fridge still). It was good though. <G>
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:59:59 -0800, Fred
>><[email hidden]>

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>>
>>>Hey, you are not allowed to push food! (G) High tech
>>>toys are entirely different (G)
>>>
>>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 01:25:58 -0600, Joyce
>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Arggggggh! you are really trying hard to talk me
>>>>into that wirless,

aren't you?
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>>>>At least I push you to the cheaper things (bulk
>>>>icecream). <G>

Although ... less
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>>>>calories in a wireless adapter.
>>>>
>>>>Joyce
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:47:50 -0800, Fred
>>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>
>>>>>I will not discuss weight at the moment (which
>>>>>appears up again this morning)
>>>>>
>>>>>Good for getting in all that exercise. I believe
>>>>>that I am taking

the
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>>>>>day off to hit the downhill slopes on cross-country
>>>>>gear. At least that is the email I just sent my
>>>>>secretary (G)
>>>>>
>>>>>Wireless is really neat. Yesterday, a few times I
>>>>>opened the laptop downstairs and just surfed the
>>>>>web and checked some stuff out. Also moved a file
>>>>>or two between computers.
>>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:09:19 -0600, Joyce
>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Evidentally, weight dropped way down today, right
>>>>>>back to where it

should be. I
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>>>>>>did get in two treadmill sessions today though, so
>>>>>>made up a bit for

being out of
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>>>>>>commission for the past few days. Don't think I'm
>>>>>>going to make a

habit of that
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>>>>>>though. The time hub chooses to exercise is tough
>>>>>>for me. Just

finish up and
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>>>>>>have to move right into dinner prep - while he
>>>>>>rests quietly on his

chair. Guess
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>>>>>>I shouldn't complain, I'm probably still burning
>>>>>>those calories. <G>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm totally jealous of your wireless connection,
>>>>>>and moving into a

second one.
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>>>>>>I'm scared silly to even attempt the first. Then
>>>>>>again, maybe I

should just bite
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>>>>>>the bullet and do it ... while Linksys still
>>>>>>offers free tech

support. <G> I will
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>>>>>>definitely go with Linksys merchandise, the
>>>>>>customer service is

worth every extra
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>>>>>>penny.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:10:56 -0800, Fred
>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, [censored] about a submerged treadmill
>>>>>>>probably was worth some points anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, crossing fingers, Linksys gets my vote. I
>>>>>>>have also called a

few
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>>>>>>>times. And probably will again as I have another
>>>>>>>wireless to

hookup
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>>>>>>>(G)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:37:36 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I usually avoid tech support as much as I can,
>>>>>>>>didn't have a

choice with the modem
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>>>>>>>>issue as from what I've discovered dsl modems
>>>>>>>>can not be purchased

from any stores
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>>>>>>>>around me. Cable modems, yes ... dsl, no. Don't
>>>>>>>>know why and no

one seems to be
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>>>>>>>>able to give me an answer. I've contacted
>>>>>>>>Linksys twice now, both

times they have
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>>>>>>>>been extremely helpful and courteous (maybe I've
>>>>>>>>just been

lucky?). I've noticed
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>>>>>>>>the same thing with support going to charging,
>>>>>>>>might have been

when I stopped
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>>>>>>>>calling. Paying for help with a product is one
>>>>>>>>of those things

that really
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>>>>>>>>irritates me. Is it any different than visiting
>>>>>>>>a customer

service desk in a
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>>>>>>>>retail store? Or a cashier checking me out at a
>>>>>>>>grocer? Or a

bank teller? next
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>>>>>>>>thing ya know, we'll be paying for those
>>>>>>>>services as well. I

figure that these
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>>>>>>>>salaries are already covered in the inflated
>>>>>>>>merchandise prices

... now it's just
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>>>>>>>>another way to nick the consumer. <sigh>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No treadmill for the past 2 days. Hub decided to
>>>>>>>>unload all the

bike parts on TOP
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>>>>>>>>of the treadmill ... thus putting me out of
>>>>>>>>commission. I [censored]

loud and long
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>>>>>>>>today ... bike is now put together and treadmill
>>>>>>>>is once again

usable. MEN! <g>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:29:59 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sorry you had the usual response from support
>>>>>>>>>people but managed

to
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>>>>>>>>>get going eventually. I am still waiting for
>>>>>>>>>linksys to end

their
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>>>>>>>>>pretty universal coverage - so many now charge
>>>>>>>>>fees IMMEDIATELY. There use to be free tech,
>>>>>>>>>then 90 days free tech. Now there is

NO
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>>>>>>>>>tech. I guess it was to be expected since some
>>>>>>>>>much of this stuff

has
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>>>>>>>>>substantially dropped in price.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Breathe deeply and hit the treadmill - oh, I
>>>>>>>>>don't mean with your fist!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:59:38 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>After the day I had today, trying to get
>>>>>>>>>>router to work with new

modem, the
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>>>>>>>>>>wireless option is going to go on a back
>>>>>>>>>>burner for a bit. I am

not up to any
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>>>>>>>>>>more frustration. <G> Silly me thought all I
>>>>>>>>>>would have to do

was plug the old
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>>>>>>>>>>cords into the new modem and all would once
>>>>>>>>>>again be well.

WRONG! Earthlink
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>>>>>>>>>>switched brands of modems, would give me
>>>>>>>>>>absolutely no tech

support - only told me
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>>>>>>>>>>I would first have to subscribe to their home-
>>>>>>>>>>networking

service. I was not kind,
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>>>>>>>>>>patience worn thin after 2.5 hours of playing
>>>>>>>>>>around. I finally

screamed at the
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>>>>>>>>>>guy, *can you tell me that if I pay your silly
>>>>>>>>>>fee you will push

the magic switch
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>>>>>>>>>>to make my modem communicate with my router?*
>>>>>>>>>>Only to be told

that customer
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>>>>>>>>>>service could give me all the details. I have
>>>>>>>>>>a feeling that my

questions were
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>>>>>>>>>>not covered in their manual.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So on a whim I called Linksys, spoke to a
>>>>>>>>>>wonderfully kind young

man who had me up
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>>>>>>>>>>and running in a few minutes. Seems that for
>>>>>>>>>>some reason the

router ran on wrong
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>>>>>>>>>>settings with the last modem - and of course I
>>>>>>>>>>kept switching to

those wrong
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>>>>>>>>>>settings when trying to get this one going.
>>>>>>>>>>Makes no sense to

me, but it did to
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>>>>>>>>>>him and I guess that's all that matters.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:07 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG - re: using the wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>adapter more.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:12 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL! Guess I could say the same where the
>>>>>>>>>>>>dusting and

vacuuming are concerned,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>although laundry is constantly going. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>ordered a new vacuum

yesterday, have no
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>>>>>>>>>>>>idea why - probably won't use the thing very
>>>>>>>>>>>>often. I would

have used the
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>>>>>>>>>>>>wireless router more. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:38:06 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, then I guess I should get points for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry and

dusting and
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>vacuuming since I do them so infrequently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>my body definitely

finds
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>them foreign exercise!!!!! (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:40:01 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't take those laundry points either,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nor the vacuuming,

dusting - general
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>stuff that I do easily or routinely. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm spending the

entire day on one
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity, then I may rethink things. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>just no how my brain

works, and the *old*
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>me would have seen that indicator from ww
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>saying that

laundry was great exercise,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and it would have been one more excuse not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to do anything

else. And since I've
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>spent the majority of my life doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry ... and not

losing weight ... I figure
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry is not the exercise option for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:32:46 -0600, "Miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Violette"

<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As far as the laundry goes, since I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the majority of it I

do not take the
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>points as it is a regular activity for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>me, I only take

points for things
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that I normally do not do. I also think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this is why I have

lost as well as
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have even though I have not done formal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>exercise. But

having said that
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you also bend, stretch, lift and haul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>during laundry and in

my case I walk
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the length of my house to put them all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>away. I took the

APs for the big
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry adventure because it was non stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>moving for seven

hours with just
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>three small breaks. It does seem that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>along with the

discrepancy in points
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eaten Vs calories used is part of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mystery of WW but

along with that I
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>think we get used to some activities so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we actually,

eventually adapt to the
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity so we must at least change or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>add in order to eat

the points, Lee,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>who thinks she and Joyce are related Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>message news:18nm30d1a1omsnsoe3r6374al7g-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more mudslides - too bad (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll move stuff up here. Activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points are definitely

a oddball
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factor in WW. I think, though, that you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are correct -

they are
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended as a positive benefit and help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weightloss so

that the point
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> values may be somewhat skewed so that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you gain benefit

even if you eat
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the calories/points. But like you, even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though I was

very active in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my hiking/etc, it is much easier now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I am not earning

as many
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points but I seem to be hungrier. But I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have 60 pounds

less fuel to
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burn. I guess we should not second
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess this stuff - we

know that it
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works pretty well and they do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constantly come up with new

tweaks
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (probably both for commercial reasons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and practical

reasons.)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep on doing what works and keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questioning how and why

on some days
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to just keep the mind fresh (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:46:06 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joyce <[email hidden]>

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:50:10 -0800,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Fred

<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:40:11 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Joyce

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:09:51 -0800,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Fred

<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>You may be right. Too little main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>course might

lead to even more
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>snacking. The body may just want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>to hold at this

weight. And maybe
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>just need to cater to it. A WW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>leader who shall

remain nameless has
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>suggested that my weekend's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>probably need more

food. After all I am
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>not still burning off the self-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>storage points that

use to gather
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>around my waist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>I have a feeling you may be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>finding or accepting the

same thing that
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>we're just where our bodies want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>or need to be.

Up/down a few
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pounds, it all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>balances out - but no dramatic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>drops that seem to

stay in place
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>permanently. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>think Lesanne hit the nail on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>head in a prior

post when she said
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>are still losing weight easily,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>then we aren't

*there* yet. I'm
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thinking, my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>friend, we are there ... whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>we like it or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>I think you are right - I'm doing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>good job of just

wobbling in place
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>- like riding a bicycle - a bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> left and bit right

and mostly straight
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>ahead. A bit up, a bit down and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>mostly right on

MAINTENANCE.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Which is as it should be when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>are where you

belong.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Yup, I think it is finally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>registering with me that

seesawing a bit is
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>just going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to be a fact of life. Down again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>today, back to where

I was last week.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>killed off the mudslides tonite - so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>probably back up

tomorrow. <G> I
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Well, since I read down below, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>think you needed the

mudslide to
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>clear up the activity points issue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>(g) Other than the

fact that I
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>will not wi officially if I'm too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>late on Weds, I think

this might be
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>another slightly up week - so says
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>the scale this

morning. I need a
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>down week again! Oh, still under
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>goal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Up a teeny bit this morning, which I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >expected - nothing

major. And that
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bottle is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >now gone, out, been removed from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >premises ... so it

will no longer
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bother me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Probably be another year before I see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >one again. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>I may experiment a bit. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>the snacking was

better last
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>night -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>that's two nights after the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>weekend. And I recall

it was similar
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>week. Or is it just that today is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>WI and my mind

accepts LESS.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>For the most part my snacking has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>been pretty well

under control,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with exception
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to last week. <G> Don't know what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>got into me or

why. The last few
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>days I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>haven't felt those same hunger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>munchies that nothing

would satisfy.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to keep better track of these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>episodes? I wonder if

they have
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything to do with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>hitting a lower than usual weight,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>like the body

sending signals to
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eat, eat, eat!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Well, that's the ol' set point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>theory which, of

course, we definitely
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>accepted as the reason why we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>not get the

excess weight off
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>BEFORE we got it off. But I am sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>that the body

does have its
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>limits. Starvation mode or a modest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>form of it, I'm

sure, is working
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>to keep the body working correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>and nourished

right. I do know (I
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>wrote to Lesanne) that I am not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>noticeably hungry but

just snacking.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Are those the signals that I really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>do need those

snacks? They are
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>better snacks than years past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Hmmmmm, not sure what to tell you on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>this one. I do

snack, usually
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(but not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>always, I'm not a saint) healthier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>options - but it

definitely is
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nowhere near the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>amount that I was snacking on last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>year. When I hit

those constant
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>phases, I am definitely noticeably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>hungry ... to

myself and everyone
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>else. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>stomach is grumbling loudly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>sometimes a little

lightheaded or just not
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>quite right. Then there are the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>times when I am just

bored and eating
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>seems to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>the thing to do. THAT'S what I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to get control of

... as I sit
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>here in front
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>of my computer, definitely not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>hungry, yet there is a

bowl of meringues
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>right in front of me. I may go dump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>them back into

the container.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Yesterday it was Meringues, mango and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>on the bike ride,

that breakfast
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>cookie. too much stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Today *feels* like one of those days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >to me. Have you

ever just felt like
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >really overdone things - yet when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >thinking it all out it

really wasn't
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>THAT bad?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Well, that's where I'm at today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Something I've eaten

has left me
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >incredibly full and bloated ... no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >idea what, nothing I

can really put my
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>finger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >on. The only good thing about feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >this way is that

it keeps me from
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I haven't had one snack all day long.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Ok, here's something else I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>thinking about today

... and I'm
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>probably way off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>base, but in my head it somewhat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>makes some sense.

Regarding the
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>amount of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity points earned, and eaten. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>understand that

100 calories
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>expended = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity point, and this made sense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to me as I was

losing weight. Ok,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>so what if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>roughly 50 calories = 1 point , if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>we ate all AP's we

earned, we could
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>still lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight. I figured ww had us working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>in somewhat of a

deficit mode,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>does make sense. BUT ... since we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>are trying to

maintain ... by still
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>with those same numbers, are we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>somewhat doing

ourselves in by not
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eating enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>and then ending up going on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>rampage a day or so

later? Did I convey
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>my thoughts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>well enough for anyone to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>understand? I guess this

came into play
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>today when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>was thinking about the Wendy's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>frosty I had splurged

on last week.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Roughly 13
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points for a large one (I really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>splurged!) ... 600 or

close to it
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>calories.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Normally I think that it would take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>about 4 or 5 days

to earn enough
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points to work it off. Today for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>some reason my brain

kicked into
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>calorie mode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>instead ... which told me that no,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>it really is only 2

workout sessions
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>treadmill. So if I've been working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>my tail off

everyday, and only
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eating what ww
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>says I've earned ... could that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>explain those hungry

days? And explain
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>why my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight didn't skyrocket as I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>anticipated it would

when I did hit
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that feeding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>frenzy?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Interesting. I was never quite clear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>on converting

points to calories
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>and activity points/exercise is even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>more or maybe less

clear but you
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>folks with TOYS that calculate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>calories burned might

have a better
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>handle on things. So you think WW did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>not quite tell

us the truth?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>(G) That could explain why I lost so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> well during the

program - I was
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>getting in the main 15-30 activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>points on a weekend

a some more
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>during the week. And I was better at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>limiting the

snacking back then
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>- driven to succeed. Or maybe since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> had my own FAT

points to burn,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>I did not need or desire the extra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>points I am now

consuming.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I'm going on information passed along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >by others, as to

the calorie vs.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>points
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >conversions. And I really have no idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >if what I'm

*thinking* makes any
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sense at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >all, or has any truth behind it ... or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >if I'm just

outthinking myself
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>once again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >My cynical mind has me thinking that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the calorie

difference between
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>points eaten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >and activity points is probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >because most people will

figure those
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >points high in the beginning ... have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >no idea as to what

is really
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>considered high
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >exertion. I know my perception was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >quite different when

I was sitting at
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>220
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >pounds, than it is now. Heck, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >cruising the

neighborhood leisurely
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >chore to me. <g> So by giving double
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >credit (so to

speak) even if
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>figured high,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >you should still lose some weight. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >also thinking of

ww telling
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>people that 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >minutes of doing laundry is worth 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >activity points ...

still can't quite
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>figure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >that out since 30 minutes of laundry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >for me is pretty

much nothing other
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>than a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >few trips up and down the stairs ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >definitely less

exertion than 30
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>minutes on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the treadmill. I do think that drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >to succeed is also

a BIG factor.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>While I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >still have that drive and still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >consider myself as

trying to succeed, the
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>goal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >itself has definitely changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I'm confused again. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Same here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just another constant in my life. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >used to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Fred
Archived post

7 March 2004, 15:33 UTC #125

Hey, just tell them you worked your fingers to the bone
ripping it out of the packaging and sweated over getting it
on the cookie tin and to eat it and like it or else! (G)
Joyce said:
What is this? Is it like a lasagna ... or a pot pie? I'm
never sure how things like this will swing past the rest of
the family. I'd probably like it, but they are a much
fussier crew.
Joyce
Miss Violette said:
Try the Mediterranean spinach pie from Trader Joe's for
something new, that was tonight's dinner, really good, Lee
Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
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Ok, ok, no pushing food ... today anyway. I haven't had
anything new and interesting to push, and probably best
if I didn't push the spinach pizza

we had
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for dinner last night (although I'd like to, have half
of the dang thing

in the
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fridge still). It was good though. <G>
Joyce
On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:59:59 -0800, Fred
<[email hidden]>

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>Hey, you are not allowed to push food! (G) High tech
>toys are entirely different (G)
>
>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 01:25:58 -0600, Joyce
><[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Arggggggh! you are really trying hard to talk me into
>>that wirless,

aren't you?
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>>At least I push you to the cheaper things (bulk
>>icecream). <G> Although

... less
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>>calories in a wireless adapter.
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:47:50 -0800, Fred
>><[email hidden]>

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>>
>>>I will not discuss weight at the moment (which
>>>appears up again this morning)
>>>
>>>Good for getting in all that exercise. I believe that
>>>I am taking the day off to hit the downhill slopes on
>>>cross-country gear. At least that is the email I just
>>>sent my secretary (G)
>>>
>>>Wireless is really neat. Yesterday, a few times I
>>>opened the laptop downstairs and just surfed the web
>>>and checked some stuff out. Also moved a file or two
>>>between computers.
>>>
>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:09:19 -0600, Joyce
>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Evidentally, weight dropped way down today, right
>>>>back to where it

should be. I
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>>>>did get in two treadmill sessions today though, so
>>>>made up a bit for

being out of
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>>>>commission for the past few days. Don't think I'm
>>>>going to make a

habit of that
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>>>>though. The time hub chooses to exercise is tough
>>>>for me. Just

finish up and
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>>>>have to move right into dinner prep - while he rests
>>>>quietly on his

chair. Guess
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>>>>I shouldn't complain, I'm probably still burning
>>>>those calories. <G>
>>>>
>>>>I'm totally jealous of your wireless connection, and
>>>>moving into a

second one.
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>>>>I'm scared silly to even attempt the first. Then
>>>>again, maybe I

should just bite
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>>>>the bullet and do it ... while Linksys still offers
>>>>free tech support.

<G> I will
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>>>>definitely go with Linksys merchandise, the customer
>>>>service is worth

every extra
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>>>>penny.
>>>>
>>>>Joyce
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:10:56 -0800, Fred
>>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>>Well, [censored] about a submerged treadmill probably
>>>>>was worth some points anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, crossing fingers, Linksys gets my vote. I have
>>>>>also called a

few
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>>>>>times. And probably will again as I have another
>>>>>wireless to hookup
>>>>>(G)
>>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:37:36 -0600, Joyce
>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I usually avoid tech support as much as I can,
>>>>>>didn't have a choice

with the modem
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>>>>>>issue as from what I've discovered dsl modems can
>>>>>>not be purchased

from any stores
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>>>>>>around me. Cable modems, yes ... dsl, no. Don't
>>>>>>know why and no

one seems to be
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>>>>>>able to give me an answer. I've contacted Linksys
>>>>>>twice now, both

times they have
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>>>>>>been extremely helpful and courteous (maybe I've
>>>>>>just been lucky?).

I've noticed
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>>>>>>the same thing with support going to charging,
>>>>>>might have been when

I stopped
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>>>>>>calling. Paying for help with a product is one of
>>>>>>those things that

really
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>>>>>>irritates me. Is it any different than visiting a
>>>>>>customer service

desk in a
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>>>>>>retail store? Or a cashier checking me out at a
>>>>>>grocer? Or a bank

teller? next
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>>>>>>thing ya know, we'll be paying for those services
>>>>>>as well. I figure

that these
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>>>>>>salaries are already covered in the inflated
>>>>>>merchandise prices ...

now it's just
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>>>>>>another way to nick the consumer. <sigh>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No treadmill for the past 2 days. Hub decided to
>>>>>>unload all the

bike parts on TOP
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>>>>>>of the treadmill ... thus putting me out of
>>>>>>commission. I [censored]

loud and long
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>>>>>>today ... bike is now put together and treadmill
>>>>>>is once again

usable. MEN! <g>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:29:59 -0800, Fred
>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sorry you had the usual response from support
>>>>>>>people but managed to get going eventually. I am
>>>>>>>still waiting for linksys to end their pretty
>>>>>>>universal coverage - so many now charge fees
>>>>>>>IMMEDIATELY. There use to be free tech, then 90
>>>>>>>days free tech. Now there is NO tech. I guess it
>>>>>>>was to be expected since some much of this stuff

has
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>>>>>>>substantially dropped in price.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Breathe deeply and hit the treadmill - oh, I
>>>>>>>don't mean with your fist!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:59:38 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>After the day I had today, trying to get router
>>>>>>>>to work with new

modem, the
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>>>>>>>>wireless option is going to go on a back burner
>>>>>>>>for a bit. I am

not up to any
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>>>>>>>>more frustration. <G> Silly me thought all I
>>>>>>>>would have to do

was plug the old
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>>>>>>>>cords into the new modem and all would once
>>>>>>>>again be well. WRONG!

Earthlink
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>>>>>>>>switched brands of modems, would give me
>>>>>>>>absolutely no tech

support - only told me
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>>>>>>>>I would first have to subscribe to their home-
>>>>>>>>networking service.

I was not kind,
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>>>>>>>>patience worn thin after 2.5 hours of playing
>>>>>>>>around. I finally

screamed at the
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>>>>>>>>guy, *can you tell me that if I pay your silly
>>>>>>>>fee you will push

the magic switch
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>>>>>>>>to make my modem communicate with my router?*
>>>>>>>>Only to be told

that customer
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>>>>>>>>service could give me all the details. I have a
>>>>>>>>feeling that my

questions were
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>>>>>>>>not covered in their manual.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So on a whim I called Linksys, spoke to a
>>>>>>>>wonderfully kind young

man who had me up
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>>>>>>>>and running in a few minutes. Seems that for
>>>>>>>>some reason the

router ran on wrong
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>>>>>>>>settings with the last modem - and of course I
>>>>>>>>kept switching to

those wrong
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>>>>>>>>settings when trying to get this one going.
>>>>>>>>Makes no sense to me,

but it did to
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>>>>>>>>him and I guess that's all that matters.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:07 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG - re: using the wireless
>>>>>>>>>adapter more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:12 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>LOL! Guess I could say the same where the
>>>>>>>>>>dusting and vacuuming

are concerned,
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>>>>>>>>>>although laundry is constantly going. I
>>>>>>>>>>ordered a new vacuum

yesterday, have no
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>>>>>>>>>>idea why - probably won't use the thing very
>>>>>>>>>>often. I would

have used the
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>>>>>>>>>>wireless router more. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:38:06 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Well, then I guess I should get points for
>>>>>>>>>>>laundry and dusting

and
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>>>>>>>>>>>vacuuming since I do them so infrequently my
>>>>>>>>>>>body definitely

finds
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>>>>>>>>>>>them foreign exercise!!!!! (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:40:01 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't take those laundry points either,
>>>>>>>>>>>>nor the vacuuming,

dusting - general
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>>>>>>>>>>>>stuff that I do easily or routinely. If I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>spending the

entire day on one
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>>>>>>>>>>>>activity, then I may rethink things. I just
>>>>>>>>>>>>no how my brain

works, and the *old*
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>>>>>>>>>>>>me would have seen that indicator from ww
>>>>>>>>>>>>saying that laundry

was great exercise,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>and it would have been one more excuse not
>>>>>>>>>>>>to do anything

else. And since I've
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>>>>>>>>>>>>spent the majority of my life doing laundry
>>>>>>>>>>>>... and not losing

weight ... I figure
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>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry is not the exercise option for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>><G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:32:46 -0600, "Miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>Violette"

<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>As far as the laundry goes, since I do the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>majority of it I

do not take the
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>points as it is a regular activity for me,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I only take points

for things
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>that I normally do not do. I also think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>this is why I have

lost as well as
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have even though I have not done formal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>exercise. But

having said that
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>you also bend, stretch, lift and haul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>during laundry and in

my case I walk
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>the length of my house to put them all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>away. I took the APs

for the big
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry adventure because it was non stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>moving for seven

hours with just
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>three small breaks. It does seem that along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>with the

discrepancy in points
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>eaten Vs calories used is part of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>mystery of WW but along

with that I
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>think we get used to some activities so we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>actually,

eventually adapt to the
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity so we must at least change or add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>in order to eat

the points, Lee,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>who thinks she and Joyce are related Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>message news:18nm30d1a1omsnsoe3r6374al7g03-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more mudslides - too bad (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll move stuff up here. Activity points
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are definitely a

oddball
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factor in WW. I think, though, that you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are correct - they

are
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended as a positive benefit and help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weightloss so that

the point
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> values may be somewhat skewed so that you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gain benefit even

if you eat
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the calories/points. But like you, even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though I was very

active in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my hiking/etc, it is much easier now and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not earning

as many
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points but I seem to be hungrier. But I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have 60 pounds

less fuel to
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burn. I guess we should not second guess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this stuff - we

know that it
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works pretty well and they do constantly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come up with new

tweaks
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (probably both for commercial reasons and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practical

reasons.)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep on doing what works and keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questioning how and why

on some days
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to just keep the mind fresh (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:46:06 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email hidden]>

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:50:10 -0800, Fred

<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:40:11 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Joyce <[email hidden]>

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:09:51 -0800,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Fred

<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>You may be right. Too little main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>course might lead

to even more
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>snacking. The body may just want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>hold at this

weight. And maybe
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>just need to cater to it. A WW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>leader who shall

remain nameless has
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>suggested that my weekend's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>probably need more food.

After all I am
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>not still burning off the self-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>storage points that

use to gather
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>around my waist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>I have a feeling you may be finding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>or accepting the

same thing that
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>we're just where our bodies want or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>need to be.

Up/down a few
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>pounds, it all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>balances out - but no dramatic drops
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>that seem to stay

in place
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>permanently. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>think Lesanne hit the nail on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>head in a prior post

when she said
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>that if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>are still losing weight easily, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>we aren't *there*

yet. I'm
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>thinking, my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>friend, we are there ... whether we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>like it or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>I think you are right - I'm doing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>good job of just

wobbling in place
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>- like riding a bicycle - a bit left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> and bit right and

mostly straight
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>ahead. A bit up, a bit down and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>mostly right on

MAINTENANCE.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Which is as it should be when you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>where you belong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Yup, I think it is finally registering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>with me that

seesawing a bit is
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>just going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to be a fact of life. Down again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>today, back to where I

was last week.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>killed off the mudslides tonite - so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>probably back up

tomorrow. <G> I
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Well, since I read down below, I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>you needed the

mudslide to
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>clear up the activity points issue (g)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Other than the

fact that I
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>will not wi officially if I'm too late
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>on Weds, I think

this might be
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>another slightly up week - so says the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>scale this

morning. I need a
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>down week again! Oh, still under goal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Up a teeny bit this morning, which I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >expected - nothing

major. And that
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>bottle is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >now gone, out, been removed from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >premises ... so it

will no longer
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>bother me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Probably be another year before I see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >one again. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>I may experiment a bit. I think the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>snacking was

better last
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>night -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>that's two nights after the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>weekend. And I recall it

was similar
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>week. Or is it just that today is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>WI and my mind

accepts LESS.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>For the most part my snacking has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>been pretty well

under control,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>with exception
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to last week. <G> Don't know what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>got into me or why.

The last few
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>days I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>haven't felt those same hunger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>munchies that nothing

would satisfy.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to keep better track of these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>episodes? I wonder if

they have
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything to do with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>hitting a lower than usual weight,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>like the body

sending signals to
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>eat, eat, eat!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Well, that's the ol' set point theory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>which, of course,

we definitely
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>accepted as the reason why we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>not get the excess

weight off
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>BEFORE we got it off. But I am sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>that the body does

have its
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>limits. Starvation mode or a modest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>form of it, I'm

sure, is working
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>to keep the body working correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>and nourished right.

I do know (I
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>wrote to Lesanne) that I am not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>noticeably hungry but

just snacking.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Are those the signals that I really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>do need those

snacks? They are
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>better snacks than years past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Hmmmmm, not sure what to tell you on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>this one. I do

snack, usually
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>(but not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>always, I'm not a saint) healthier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>options - but it

definitely is
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>nowhere near the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>amount that I was snacking on last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>year. When I hit

those constant
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>phases, I am definitely noticeably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>hungry ... to myself

and everyone
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>else. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>stomach is grumbling loudly, sometimes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>a little

lightheaded or just not
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>quite right. Then there are the times
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>when I am just

bored and eating
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>the thing to do. THAT'S what I need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>get control of

... as I sit
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>of my computer, definitely not hungry,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>yet there is a

bowl of meringues
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>sitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>right in front of me. I may go dump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>them back into the

container.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Yesterday it was Meringues, mango and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>on the bike ride,

that breakfast
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>cookie. too much stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Today *feels* like one of those days to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >me. Have you ever

just felt like
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>you've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >really overdone things - yet when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >thinking it all out it

really wasn't
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>THAT bad?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Well, that's where I'm at today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Something I've eaten has

left me
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >incredibly full and bloated ... no idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >what, nothing I

can really put my
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >on. The only good thing about feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >this way is that it

keeps me from
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I haven't had one snack all day long.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Ok, here's something else I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>thinking about today ...

and I'm
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>probably way off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>base, but in my head it somewhat makes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>some sense.

Regarding the
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity points earned, and eaten. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>understand that

100 calories
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>expended = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity point, and this made sense to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>me as I was

losing weight. Ok,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>so what if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>roughly 50 calories = 1 point , if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>ate all AP's we

earned, we could
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight. I figured ww had us working in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>somewhat of a

deficit mode,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>which really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>does make sense. BUT ... since we are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>trying to

maintain ... by still
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>with those same numbers, are we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>somewhat doing ourselves

in by not
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>eating enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>and then ending up going on a rampage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>a day or so later?

Did I convey
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>my thoughts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>well enough for anyone to understand?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I guess this came

into play
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>today when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>was thinking about the Wendy's frosty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I had splurged on

last week.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points for a large one (I really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>splurged!) ... 600 or

close to it
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Normally I think that it would take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>about 4 or 5 days to

earn enough
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points to work it off. Today for some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>reason my brain

kicked into
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>calorie mode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>instead ... which told me that no, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>really is only 2

workout sessions
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>treadmill. So if I've been working my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>tail off

everyday, and only
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>eating what ww
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>says I've earned ... could that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>explain those hungry

days? And explain
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>why my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight didn't skyrocket as I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>anticipated it would

when I did hit
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>that feeding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>frenzy?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Interesting. I was never quite clear on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>converting

points to calories
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>and activity points/exercise is even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>more or maybe less

clear but you
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>folks with TOYS that calculate calories
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>burned might have

a better
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>handle on things. So you think WW did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>not quite tell us

the truth?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>(G) That could explain why I lost so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> well during the

program - I was
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>getting in the main 15-30 activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>points on a weekend a

some more
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>during the week. And I was better at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>limiting the

snacking back then
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>- driven to succeed. Or maybe since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> had my own FAT

points to burn,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I'm going on information passed along by
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calorie vs.
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was sitting at
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neighborhood leisurely
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ww telling
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still can't quite
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nothing other
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >few trips up and down the stairs ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >definitely less

exertion than 30
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BIG factor.
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to succeed, the
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >itself has definitely changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I'm confused again. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Same here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just another constant in my life. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >used to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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7 March 2004, 16:47 UTC #126

It does sound good, I'll take a look at it next trip in.
Thanks for the info. See? Even now YOU are pushing Trader
Joe's products. It doesn't take long, does it? <grin>
Joyce
Miss Violette said:
It is a pi deal, philo dough, spinach and cheese in layers,
top and bottom crust. We used it as the main entree, but
you could make it six pieces and use as a side. It reminded
me of those little spinach turnovers from a Greek
restaurant but with a little more pepper. If we have time
tomorrow I think we will have it with cauliflower and
buttered parmesan noodles, Lee Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote
in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
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What is this? Is it like a lasagna ... or a pot pie? I'm
never sure how

things
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like this will swing past the rest of the family. I'd
probably like it,

but they
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are a much fussier crew.
Joyce
On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 00:05:25 -0600, "Miss Violette"

<[email hidden]>
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Try the Mediterranean spinach pie from Trader Joe's for
something new,

that
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was tonight's dinner, really good, Lee Joyce
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Ok, ok, no pushing food ... today anyway. I haven't
> had anything new

and
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> interesting to push, and probably best if I didn't
> push the spinach

pizza
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we had
> for dinner last night (although I'd like to, have half
> of the dang

thing
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in the
> fridge still). It was good though. <G>
>
> Joyce
>
> On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:59:59 -0800, Fred
> <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>
> >Hey, you are not allowed to push food! (G) High tech
> >toys are entirely different (G)
> >
> >On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 01:25:58 -0600, Joyce
> ><[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >>Arggggggh! you are really trying hard to talk me
> >>into that wirless,
aren't you?
> >>At least I push you to the cheaper things (bulk
> >>icecream). <G>

Although
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... less
> >>calories in a wireless adapter.
> >>
> >>Joyce
> >>
> >>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:47:50 -0800, Fred
> >><[email hidden]>
wrote:
> >>
> >>>I will not discuss weight at the moment (which
> >>>appears up again this morning)
> >>>
> >>>Good for getting in all that exercise. I believe
> >>>that I am taking

the
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> >>>day off to hit the downhill slopes on cross-country
> >>>gear. At least that is the email I just sent my
> >>>secretary (G)
> >>>
> >>>Wireless is really neat. Yesterday, a few times I
> >>>opened the laptop downstairs and just surfed the
> >>>web and checked some stuff out. Also moved a file
> >>>or two between computers.
> >>>
> >>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:09:19 -0600, Joyce
> >>><[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Evidentally, weight dropped way down today, right
> >>>>back to where it
should be. I
> >>>>did get in two treadmill sessions today though, so
> >>>>made up a bit

for
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being out of
> >>>>commission for the past few days. Don't think I'm
> >>>>going to make a
habit of that
> >>>>though. The time hub chooses to exercise is tough
> >>>>for me. Just
finish up and
> >>>>have to move right into dinner prep - while he
> >>>>rests quietly on his
chair. Guess
> >>>>I shouldn't complain, I'm probably still burning
> >>>>those calories.

<G>
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> >>>>
> >>>>I'm totally jealous of your wireless connection,
> >>>>and moving into a
second one.
> >>>>I'm scared silly to even attempt the first. Then
> >>>>again, maybe I
should just bite
> >>>>the bullet and do it ... while Linksys still
> >>>>offers free tech

support.
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<G> I will
> >>>>definitely go with Linksys merchandise, the
> >>>>customer service is

worth
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every extra
> >>>>penny.
> >>>>
> >>>>Joyce
> >>>>
> >>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:10:56 -0800, Fred

<[email hidden]>
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> >>>>
> >>>>>Well, [censored] about a submerged treadmill
> >>>>>probably was worth some points anyway.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Yes, crossing fingers, Linksys gets my vote. I
> >>>>>have also called a
few
> >>>>>times. And probably will again as I have another
> >>>>>wireless to

hookup
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> >>>>>(G)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:37:36 -0600, Joyce
> >>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>I usually avoid tech support as much as I can,
> >>>>>>didn't have a

choice
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with the modem
> >>>>>>issue as from what I've discovered dsl modems
> >>>>>>can not be

purchased
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from any stores
> >>>>>>around me. Cable modems, yes ... dsl, no. Don't
> >>>>>>know why and no
one seems to be
> >>>>>>able to give me an answer. I've contacted
> >>>>>>Linksys twice now,

both
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times they have
> >>>>>>been extremely helpful and courteous (maybe I've
> >>>>>>just been

lucky?).
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I've noticed
> >>>>>>the same thing with support going to charging,
> >>>>>>might have been

when
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I stopped
> >>>>>>calling. Paying for help with a product is one
> >>>>>>of those things

that
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really
> >>>>>>irritates me. Is it any different than visiting
> >>>>>>a customer

service
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desk in a
> >>>>>>retail store? Or a cashier checking me out at a
> >>>>>>grocer? Or a

bank
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teller? next
> >>>>>>thing ya know, we'll be paying for those
> >>>>>>services as well. I

figure
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that these
> >>>>>>salaries are already covered in the inflated
> >>>>>>merchandise prices

...
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now it's just
> >>>>>>another way to nick the consumer. <sigh>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>No treadmill for the past 2 days. Hub decided to
> >>>>>>unload all the
bike parts on TOP
> >>>>>>of the treadmill ... thus putting me out of
> >>>>>>commission. I

[censored]
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loud and long
> >>>>>>today ... bike is now put together and treadmill
> >>>>>>is once again
usable. MEN! <g>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Joyce
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:29:59 -0800, Fred

<[email hidden]>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Sorry you had the usual response from support
> >>>>>>>people but managed

to
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> >>>>>>>get going eventually. I am still waiting for
> >>>>>>>linksys to end

their
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> >>>>>>>pretty universal coverage - so many now charge
> >>>>>>>fees IMMEDIATELY. There use to be free tech,
> >>>>>>>then 90 days free tech. Now there is

NO
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> >>>>>>>tech. I guess it was to be expected since some
> >>>>>>>much of this

stuff
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has
> >>>>>>>substantially dropped in price.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Breathe deeply and hit the treadmill - oh, I
> >>>>>>>don't mean with

your
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> >>>>>>>fist!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:59:38 -0600, Joyce
> >>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>After the day I had today, trying to get
> >>>>>>>>router to work with

new
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modem, the
> >>>>>>>>wireless option is going to go on a back
> >>>>>>>>burner for a bit. I

am
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not up to any
> >>>>>>>>more frustration. <G> Silly me thought all I
> >>>>>>>>would have to do
was plug the old
> >>>>>>>>cords into the new modem and all would once
> >>>>>>>>again be well.

WRONG!
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Earthlink
> >>>>>>>>switched brands of modems, would give me
> >>>>>>>>absolutely no tech
support - only told me
> >>>>>>>>I would first have to subscribe to their home-
> >>>>>>>>networking

service.
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I was not kind,
> >>>>>>>>patience worn thin after 2.5 hours of playing
> >>>>>>>>around. I

finally
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screamed at the
> >>>>>>>>guy, *can you tell me that if I pay your silly
> >>>>>>>>fee you will

push
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the magic switch
> >>>>>>>>to make my modem communicate with my router?*
> >>>>>>>>Only to be told
that customer
> >>>>>>>>service could give me all the details. I have
> >>>>>>>>a feeling that

my
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> >>>>>>>>not covered in their manual.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>So on a whim I called Linksys, spoke to a
> >>>>>>>>wonderfully kind

young
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man who had me up
> >>>>>>>>and running in a few minutes. Seems that for
> >>>>>>>>some reason the
router ran on wrong
> >>>>>>>>settings with the last modem - and of course I
> >>>>>>>>kept switching

to
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those wrong
> >>>>>>>>settings when trying to get this one going.
> >>>>>>>>Makes no sense to

me,
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> >>>>>>>>him and I guess that's all that matters.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Joyce
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:07 -0800, Fred
<[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG - re: using the wireless
> >>>>>>>>>adapter more.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:12 -0600, Joyce
> >>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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> >>>>>>>>>>LOL! Guess I could say the same where the
> >>>>>>>>>>dusting and

vacuuming
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are concerned,
> >>>>>>>>>>although laundry is constantly going. I
> >>>>>>>>>>ordered a new vacuum
yesterday, have no
> >>>>>>>>>>idea why - probably won't use the thing very
> >>>>>>>>>>often. I would
have used the
> >>>>>>>>>>wireless router more. <G>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Joyce
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:38:06 -0800, Fred
<[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Well, then I guess I should get points for
> >>>>>>>>>>>laundry and

dusting
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and
> >>>>>>>>>>>vacuuming since I do them so infrequently
> >>>>>>>>>>>my body definitely
finds
> >>>>>>>>>>>them foreign exercise!!!!! (G)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:40:01 -0600, Joyce
> >>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>I don't take those laundry points either,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>nor the

vacuuming,
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>stuff that I do easily or routinely. If
> >>>>>>>>>>>>I'm spending the
entire day on one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>activity, then I may rethink things. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>just no how my

brain
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>me would have seen that indicator from ww
> >>>>>>>>>>>>saying that

laundry
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>and it would have been one more excuse not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>to do anything
else. And since I've
> >>>>>>>>>>>>spent the majority of my life doing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>laundry ... and not

losing
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>laundry is not the exercise option for me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>><G>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:32:46 -0600, "Miss
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Violette"
<[email hidden]>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>As far as the laundry goes, since I do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>the majority of it

I
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>points as it is a regular activity for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>me, I only take

points
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>that I normally do not do. I also think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>this is why I

have
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lost as well as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I have even though I have not done formal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>exercise. But
having said that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>you also bend, stretch, lift and haul
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>during laundry and

in
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my case I walk
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>the length of my house to put them all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>away. I took the

APs
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for the big
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry adventure because it was non stop
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>moving for seven
hours with just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>three small breaks. It does seem that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>along with the
discrepancy in points
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>eaten Vs calories used is part of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>mystery of WW but

along
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with that I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>think we get used to some activities so
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>we actually,
eventually adapt to the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>activity so we must at least change or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>add in order to eat
the points, Lee,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>who thinks she and Joyce are related Fred
> >>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>message news:18nm30d1a1omsnsoe3r6374al7g-
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>[email hidden]...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more mudslides - too bad (G)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll move stuff up here. Activity
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> points are definitely

a
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oddball
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> factor in WW. I think, though, that you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are correct -

they
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended as a positive benefit and help
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> weightloss so

that
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the point
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> values may be somewhat skewed so that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you gain benefit

even
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the calories/points. But like you, even
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> though I was

very
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my hiking/etc, it is much easier now
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I am not

earning
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> points but I seem to be hungrier. But I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have 60 pounds
less fuel to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> burn. I guess we should not second
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess this stuff -

we
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> works pretty well and they do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> constantly come up with

new
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tweaks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (probably both for commercial reasons
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and practical
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep on doing what works and keep
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> questioning how and

why
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to just keep the mind fresh (G)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:46:06 -0600,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joyce

<[email hidden]>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:50:10 -0800,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Fred
<[email hidden]>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:40:11 -0600,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Joyce

<[email hidden]>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:09:51 -0800,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Fred
<[email hidden]>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>You may be right. Too little main
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>course might

lead
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>snacking. The body may just want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>to hold at this
weight. And maybe
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>just need to cater to it. A WW
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>leader who shall
remain nameless has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>suggested that my weekend's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>probably need more

food.
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>not still burning off the self-
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>storage points that
use to gather
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>around my waist.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>I have a feeling you may be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>finding or accepting

the
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I have ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>we're just where our bodies want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>or need to be.
Up/down a few
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>pounds, it all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>balances out - but no dramatic
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>drops that seem to

stay
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>permanently. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>think Lesanne hit the nail on the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>head in a prior

post
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>that if we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>are still losing weight easily,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>then we aren't

*there*
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>thinking, my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>friend, we are there ... whether
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>we like it or not.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>I think you are right - I'm doing a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>good job of just
wobbling in place
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>- like riding a bicycle - a bit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> left and bit right

and
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>ahead. A bit up, a bit down and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>mostly right on
MAINTENANCE.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Which is as it should be when you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>are where you

belong.
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Yup, I think it is finally
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>registering with me that
seesawing a bit is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>just going
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to be a fact of life. Down again
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>today, back to

where I
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was last week.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Then I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>killed off the mudslides tonite - so
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>probably back up
tomorrow. <G> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Well, since I read down below, I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>think you needed the
mudslide to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>clear up the activity points issue
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>(g) Other than the
fact that I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>will not wi officially if I'm too
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>late on Weds, I

think
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>another slightly up week - so says
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>the scale this
morning. I need a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>down week again! Oh, still under
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>goal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Up a teeny bit this morning, which I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >expected - nothing
major. And that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>bottle is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >now gone, out, been removed from the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >premises ... so it
will no longer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>bother me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Probably be another year before I see
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >one again. <G>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>I may experiment a bit. I think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>the snacking was
better last
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>night -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>that's two nights after the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>weekend. And I recall

it
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>last
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>week. Or is it just that today is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>WI and my mind
accepts LESS.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>For the most part my snacking has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>been pretty well
under control,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>with exception
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to last week. <G> Don't know what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>got into me or

why.
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>days I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>haven't felt those same hunger
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>munchies that

nothing
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe I need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to keep better track of these
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>episodes? I wonder

if
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>anything to do with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>hitting a lower than usual weight,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>like the body
sending signals to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>eat, eat, eat!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Well, that's the ol' set point
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>theory which, of

course,
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>accepted as the reason why we could
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>not get the

excess
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>BEFORE we got it off. But I am sure
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>that the body

does
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>limits. Starvation mode or a modest
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>form of it, I'm
sure, is working
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>to keep the body working correctly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>and nourished

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>wrote to Lesanne) that I am not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>noticeably hungry

but
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just snacking.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Are those the signals that I really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>do need those
snacks? They are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>better snacks than years past.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Hmmmmm, not sure what to tell you on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>this one. I do
snack, usually
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>(but not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>always, I'm not a saint) healthier
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>options - but it
definitely is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>nowhere near the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>amount that I was snacking on last
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>year. When I hit
those constant
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>phases, I am definitely noticeably
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>hungry ... to

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and everyone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>else. My
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>stomach is grumbling loudly,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>sometimes a little
lightheaded or just not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>quite right. Then there are the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>times when I am just
bored and eating
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>seems to be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>the thing to do. THAT'S what I need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to get control

of
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>here in front
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>of my computer, definitely not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>hungry, yet there is a
bowl of meringues
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>sitting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>right in front of me. I may go dump
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>them back into

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Yesterday it was Meringues, mango and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>on the bike

ride,
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>cookie. too much stuff.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Today *feels* like one of those days
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >to me. Have you

ever
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>you've
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >really overdone things - yet when
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >thinking it all out

it
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>THAT bad?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Well, that's where I'm at today.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Something I've eaten

has
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >incredibly full and bloated ... no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >idea what, nothing I
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>finger
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >on. The only good thing about feeling
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >this way is that

it
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keeps me from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I haven't had one snack all day long.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Ok, here's something else I was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>thinking about today

...
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>probably way off
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>base, but in my head it somewhat
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>makes some sense.
Regarding the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>amount of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity points earned, and eaten. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>understand that
100 calories
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>expended = 1
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity point, and this made sense
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to me as I was
losing weight. Ok,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>so what if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>roughly 50 calories = 1 point , if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>we ate all AP's we
earned, we could
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>still lose
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight. I figured ww had us working
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>in somewhat of a
deficit mode,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>which really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>does make sense. BUT ... since we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>are trying to
maintain ... by still
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>working
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>with those same numbers, are we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>somewhat doing

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>eating enough
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>and then ending up going on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>rampage a day or so

later?
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>my thoughts
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>well enough for anyone to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>understand? I guess this

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>today when I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>was thinking about the Wendy's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>frosty I had splurged

on
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Roughly 13
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points for a large one (I really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>splurged!) ... 600

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>calories.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Normally I think that it would take
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>about 4 or 5 days

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points to work it off. Today for
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>calorie mode
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>instead ... which told me that no,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>it really is only

2
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>on my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>treadmill. So if I've been working
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>my tail off
everyday, and only
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>eating what ww
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>says I've earned ... could that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>explain those hungry
days? And explain
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>why my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight didn't skyrocket as I had
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>anticipated it would
when I did hit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>that feeding
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>frenzy?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Interesting. I was never quite clear
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>on converting
points to calories
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>and activity points/exercise is even
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>more or maybe

less
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>folks with TOYS that calculate
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>calories burned might

have
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>handle on things. So you think WW did
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>not quite tell

us
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the truth?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>(G) That could explain why I lost so
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> well during the
program - I was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>getting in the main 15-30 activity
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>points on a weekend

a
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some more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>during the week. And I was better at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>limiting the
snacking back then
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>- driven to succeed. Or maybe since I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> had my own FAT
points to burn,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>I did not need or desire the extra
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>points I am now
consuming.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I'm going on information passed along
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >by others, as to

the
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >conversions. And I really have no idea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >if what I'm
*thinking* makes any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>sense at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >all, or has any truth behind it ... or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >if I'm just
outthinking myself
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>once again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >My cynical mind has me thinking that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the calorie
difference between
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>points eaten
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >and activity points is probably
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >because most people

will
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >points high in the beginning ... have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >no idea as to

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>considered high
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >exertion. I know my perception was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >quite different

when I
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was sitting at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>220
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >pounds, than it is now. Heck, just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >cruising the
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>was a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >chore to me. <g> So by giving double
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >credit (so to

speak)
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >you should still lose some weight. I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >also thinking

of
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>people that 30
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >minutes of doing laundry is worth 2
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >activity points ...
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>figure
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >that out since 30 minutes of laundry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >for me is pretty

much
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>than a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >few trips up and down the stairs ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >definitely less
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>minutes on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the treadmill. I do think that drive
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >to succeed is

also a
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>While I do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >still have that drive and still
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >consider myself as

trying
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>goal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >itself has definitely changed.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I'm confused again. <G>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Same here.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just another constant in my life. I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >used to it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Joyce
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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7 March 2004, 17:08 UTC #127

But see, I DO need that chocolate cake - my freezer is
crying for it. <G> I'm letting the freezer cry. I know me,
it would not ever make it to the freezer - and I have to
recover from the pizza first. Well, guess I have to kill off
the pizza before I can recover from it. <g>
And yes, those brownie bites are purely evil. Hub picked up
the container, put it down, picked it up, put it down. Then
tried to convince me that he was really only thinking of
purchasing them for me. I told him if they came home I would
personally force feed every damn one to him .. in one
evening. They stayed on that very visible table (probably
the same place they are residing at your store).
Plain, regular, cheap pizza never was brought in regularly,
guess we only had it once every few months. But GOOD pizza
(by my standards) is another story. It was a safe item
before we were able to get it locally. Lou Malnati's on rare
occassions, as there wasn't one nearby. Having a similar
type restaurant within a few miles is dangerous. <g> I did
tell hub though, that next time we are ordering much less
... just too much leftover this trip, no one came home to
help eat it as usual. You were from the original pizza era?
Oh boy, I won't make any age related jokes here. <G> I do
remember those thin crust greasy pizzas, funny how I loved
them when I was a kid, funnier how I can't handle them any
longer. I think it might be true though. Only chicagoans
truly love the chicago deep dish pizzas.
Joyce
Fred said:
Pushing TUNA is just fine. I like the stuff and it is
healthy.
I saw the chocolate cake but I still have some frozen so do
not NEED IT YET (G)
I saw the brownie bites as I quickly turned an aisle
corner. They are set very visibly on the aisle end. No, I
just know that those are dangerous in size and munchiness.
I don't think I could eat just one. The chocolate cake is
just a reward and it is cake and gets eaten from a plate
with a fork. Brownie bites - just pop one in and swallow,
pop in another and swallow, pop in yet a third and ......
You get the idea. Much more dangerous than Mango (G)
I like pizza but it was never an "often" item anyway. More
when I was in Junior HS (G) when it was first introduced
and was 0.10 cents a slice with free coke!!! It was a
staple back then. I still remember the real olive oil
running down the forearm and dripping off the elbow......
Joyce said:
Alright!!!!! Today I'm pushing the costco Tuna - shouldn't
do you in too badly.
<G> I did look at the chocolate cake once again, and
brownie bites ... they stayed in the store. And
checked for the skinny cow larger pack ... nope,
nothing ... only healthy choice in the icecream
section.
Pizza is a staple in this house, had it all the way
through ww. It's nice to know that it can be done. I
suppose what I get is somewhat lower in points,
considering it has no meat, only spinach. And the crust is
more of a cornmeal crust - not a tough, doughy type.
Still, much better choices out there - but as far as pizza
goes, this is my favorite.
Joyce
Fred said:
Okay, today you can push food (G)
Ski trip was work. But ultimately fun after I stopped (g)
Have not had pizza in a long while. The last time may
have been last April in Moab, Utah (G)
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 12:25:47 -0600, Joyce
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>Ok, ok, no pushing food ... today anyway. I haven't had
>anything new and interesting to push, and probably best
>if I didn't push the spinach pizza we had for dinner
>last night (although I'd like to, have half of the dang
>thing in the fridge still). It was good though. <G>
>
>Joyce
>
>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:59:59 -0800, Fred
><[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Hey, you are not allowed to push food! (G) High tech
>>toys are entirely different (G)
>>
>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 01:25:58 -0600, Joyce
>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>Arggggggh! you are really trying hard to talk me into
>>>that wirless, aren't you? At least I push you to the
>>>cheaper things (bulk icecream). <G> Although ... less
>>>calories in a wireless adapter.
>>>
>>>Joyce
>>>
>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:47:50 -0800, Fred
>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I will not discuss weight at the moment (which
>>>>appears up again this morning)
>>>>
>>>>Good for getting in all that exercise. I believe that
>>>>I am taking the day off to hit the downhill slopes on
>>>>cross-country gear. At least that is the email I just
>>>>sent my secretary (G)
>>>>
>>>>Wireless is really neat. Yesterday, a few times I
>>>>opened the laptop downstairs and just surfed the web
>>>>and checked some stuff out. Also moved a file or two
>>>>between computers.
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:09:19 -0600, Joyce
>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Evidentally, weight dropped way down today, right
>>>>>back to where it should be. I did get in two
>>>>>treadmill sessions today though, so made up a bit
>>>>>for being out of commission for the past few days.
>>>>>Don't think I'm going to make a habit of that
>>>>>though. The time hub chooses to exercise is tough
>>>>>for me. Just finish up and have to move right into
>>>>>dinner prep - while he rests quietly on his chair.
>>>>>Guess I shouldn't complain, I'm probably still
>>>>>burning those calories. <G>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm totally jealous of your wireless connection, and
>>>>>moving into a second one. I'm scared silly to even
>>>>>attempt the first. Then again, maybe I should just
>>>>>bite the bullet and do it ... while Linksys still
>>>>>offers free tech support. <G> I will definitely go
>>>>>with Linksys merchandise, the customer service is
>>>>>worth every extra penny.
>>>>>
>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:10:56 -0800, Fred
>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, [censored] about a submerged treadmill probably
>>>>>>was worth some points anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, crossing fingers, Linksys gets my vote. I have
>>>>>>also called a few times. And probably will again as
>>>>>>I have another wireless to hookup
>>>>>>(G)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:37:36 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I usually avoid tech support as much as I can,
>>>>>>>didn't have a choice with the modem issue as from
>>>>>>>what I've discovered dsl modems can not be
>>>>>>>purchased from any stores around me. Cable modems,
>>>>>>>yes ... dsl, no. Don't know why and no one seems
>>>>>>>to be able to give me an answer. I've contacted
>>>>>>>Linksys twice now, both times they have been
>>>>>>>extremely helpful and courteous (maybe I've just
>>>>>>>been lucky?). I've noticed the same thing with
>>>>>>>support going to charging, might have been when I
>>>>>>>stopped calling. Paying for help with a product is
>>>>>>>one of those things that really irritates me. Is
>>>>>>>it any different than visiting a customer service
>>>>>>>desk in a retail store? Or a cashier checking me
>>>>>>>out at a grocer? Or a bank teller? next thing ya
>>>>>>>know, we'll be paying for those services as well.
>>>>>>>I figure that these salaries are already covered
>>>>>>>in the inflated merchandise prices ... now it's
>>>>>>>just another way to nick the consumer. <sigh>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No treadmill for the past 2 days. Hub decided to
>>>>>>>unload all the bike parts on TOP of the treadmill
>>>>>>>... thus putting me out of commission. I [censored]
>>>>>>>loud and long today ... bike is now put together
>>>>>>>and treadmill is once again usable. MEN! <g>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:29:59 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sorry you had the usual response from support
>>>>>>>>people but managed to get going eventually. I am
>>>>>>>>still waiting for linksys to end their pretty
>>>>>>>>universal coverage - so many now charge fees
>>>>>>>>IMMEDIATELY. There use to be free tech, then 90
>>>>>>>>days free tech. Now there is NO tech. I guess it
>>>>>>>>was to be expected since some much of this stuff
>>>>>>>>has substantially dropped in price.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Breathe deeply and hit the treadmill - oh, I
>>>>>>>>don't mean with your fist!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:59:38 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>After the day I had today, trying to get router
>>>>>>>>>to work with new modem, the wireless option is
>>>>>>>>>going to go on a back burner for a bit. I am not
>>>>>>>>>up to any more frustration. <G> Silly me thought
>>>>>>>>>all I would have to do was plug the old cords
>>>>>>>>>into the new modem and all would once again be
>>>>>>>>>well. WRONG! Earthlink switched brands of
>>>>>>>>>modems, would give me absolutely no tech support
>>>>>>>>>- only told me I would first have to subscribe
>>>>>>>>>to their home-networking service. I was not
>>>>>>>>>kind, patience worn thin after 2.5 hours of
>>>>>>>>>playing around. I finally screamed at the guy,
>>>>>>>>>*can you tell me that if I pay your silly fee
>>>>>>>>>you will push the magic switch to make my modem
>>>>>>>>>communicate with my router?* Only to be told
>>>>>>>>>that customer service could give me all the
>>>>>>>>>details. I have a feeling that my questions were
>>>>>>>>>not covered in their manual.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So on a whim I called Linksys, spoke to a
>>>>>>>>>wonderfully kind young man who had me up and
>>>>>>>>>running in a few minutes. Seems that for some
>>>>>>>>>reason the router ran on wrong settings with the
>>>>>>>>>last modem - and of course I kept switching to
>>>>>>>>>those wrong settings when trying to get this one
>>>>>>>>>going. Makes no sense to me, but it did to him
>>>>>>>>>and I guess that's all that matters.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:07 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG - re: using the wireless
>>>>>>>>>>adapter more.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:12 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>LOL! Guess I could say the same where the
>>>>>>>>>>>dusting and vacuuming are concerned, although
>>>>>>>>>>>laundry is constantly going. I ordered a new
>>>>>>>>>>>vacuum yesterday, have no idea why - probably
>>>>>>>>>>>won't use the thing very often. I would have
>>>>>>>>>>>used the wireless router more. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:38:06 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, then I guess I should get points for
>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry and dusting and vacuuming since I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>them so infrequently my body definitely finds
>>>>>>>>>>>>them foreign exercise!!!!! (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:40:01 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't take those laundry points either,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>nor the vacuuming, dusting - general stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>that I do easily or routinely. If I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>spending the entire day on one activity,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>then I may rethink things. I just no how my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>brain works, and the *old* me would have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>seen that indicator from ww saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry was great exercise, and it would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>have been one more excuse not to do anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>else. And since I've spent the majority of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>my life doing laundry ... and not losing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>weight ... I figure laundry is not the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>exercise option for me. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:32:46 -0600, "Miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As far as the laundry goes, since I do the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>majority of it I do not take the points as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it is a regular activity for me, I only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>take points for things that I normally do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not do. I also think this is why I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lost as well as I have even though I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not done formal exercise. But having said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that you also bend, stretch, lift and haul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>during laundry and in my case I walk the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>length of my house to put them all away. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>took the APs for the big laundry adventure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>because it was non stop moving for seven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hours with just three small breaks. It does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>seem that along with the discrepancy in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>points eaten Vs calories used is part of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the mystery of WW but along with that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>think we get used to some activities so we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>actually, eventually adapt to the activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>so we must at least change or add in order
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to eat the points, Lee, who thinks she and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce are related Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>message news:18nm30d1a1omsnsoe3r6374al7g03-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more mudslides - too bad (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll move stuff up here. Activity points
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are definitely a oddball factor in WW. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think, though, that you are correct -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are intended as a positive benefit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and help weightloss so that the point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> values may be somewhat skewed so that you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gain benefit even if you eat the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calories/points. But like you, even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though I was very active in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hiking/etc, it is much easier now and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am not earning as many points but I seem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be hungrier. But I have 60 pounds less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel to burn. I guess we should not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second guess this stuff - we know that it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works pretty well and they do constantly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come up with new tweaks (probably both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for commercial reasons and practical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep on doing what works and keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questioning how and why on some days to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just keep the mind fresh (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:46:06 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:50:10 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ><[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:40:11 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:09:51 -0800,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Fred <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>You may be right. Too little main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>course might lead to even more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>snacking. The body may just want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>hold at this weight. And maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>just need to cater to it. A WW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>leader who shall remain nameless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>has suggested that my weekend's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>probably need more food. After all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>I am not still burning off the self-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>storage points that use to gather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>around my waist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>I have a feeling you may be finding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>or accepting the same thing that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>we're just where our bodies want or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>need to be. Up/down a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pounds, it all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>balances out - but no dramatic drops
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>that seem to stay in place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>permanently. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>think Lesanne hit the nail on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>head in a prior post when she said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>are still losing weight easily, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>we aren't *there* yet. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thinking, my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>friend, we are there ... whether we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>like it or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>I think you are right - I'm doing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>good job of just wobbling in place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>- like riding a bicycle - a bit left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> and bit right and mostly straight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> ahead. A bit up, a bit down and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> mostly right on MAINTENANCE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Which is as it should be when you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>where you belong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Yup, I think it is finally registering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>with me that seesawing a bit is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>just going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to be a fact of life. Down again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>today, back to where I was last week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>killed off the mudslides tonite - so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>probably back up tomorrow. <G> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Well, since I read down below, I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>you needed the mudslide to clear up the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>activity points issue (g) Other than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>the fact that I will not wi officially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>if I'm too late on Weds, I think this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>might be another slightly up week - so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>says the scale this morning. I need a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>down week again! Oh, still under goal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Up a teeny bit this morning, which I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >expected - nothing major. And that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bottle is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >now gone, out, been removed from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >premises ... so it will no longer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bother me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Probably be another year before I see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >one again. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>I may experiment a bit. I think the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>snacking was better last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>night -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>that's two nights after the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>weekend. And I recall it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>week. Or is it just that today is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>WI and my mind accepts LESS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>For the most part my snacking has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>been pretty well under control,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with exception
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to last week. <G> Don't know what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>got into me or why. The last few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>days I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>haven't felt those same hunger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>munchies that nothing would satisfy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to keep better track of these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>episodes? I wonder if they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything to do with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>hitting a lower than usual weight,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>like the body sending signals to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eat, eat, eat!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Well, that's the ol' set point theory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>which, of course, we definitely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>accepted as the reason why we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>not get the excess weight off BEFORE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>we got it off. But I am sure that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>body does have its limits. Starvation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>mode or a modest form of it, I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>sure, is working to keep the body
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>working correctly and nourished
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>right. I do know (I wrote to Lesanne)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>that I am not noticeably hungry but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>just snacking. Are those the signals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>that I really do need those snacks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>They are better snacks than years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Hmmmmm, not sure what to tell you on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>this one. I do snack, usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(but not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>always, I'm not a saint) healthier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>options - but it definitely is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nowhere near the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>amount that I was snacking on last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>year. When I hit those constant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>phases, I am definitely noticeably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>hungry ... to myself and everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>else. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>stomach is grumbling loudly, sometimes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>a little lightheaded or just not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>quite right. Then there are the times
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>when I am just bored and eating
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>seems to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>the thing to do. THAT'S what I need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>get control of ... as I sit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>here in front
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>of my computer, definitely not hungry,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>yet there is a bowl of meringues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>right in front of me. I may go dump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>them back into the container.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Yesterday it was Meringues, mango and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>on the bike ride, that breakfast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>cookie. too much stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Today *feels* like one of those days to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >me. Have you ever just felt like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >really overdone things - yet when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >thinking it all out it really wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>THAT bad?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Well, that's where I'm at today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Something I've eaten has left me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >incredibly full and bloated ... no idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >what, nothing I can really put my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>finger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >on. The only good thing about feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >this way is that it keeps me from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I haven't had one snack all day long.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Ok, here's something else I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>thinking about today ... and I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>probably way off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>base, but in my head it somewhat makes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>some sense. Regarding the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>amount of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity points earned, and eaten. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>understand that 100 calories
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>expended = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity point, and this made sense to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>me as I was losing weight. Ok,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>so what if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>roughly 50 calories = 1 point , if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>ate all AP's we earned, we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>still lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight. I figured ww had us working in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>somewhat of a deficit mode,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>does make sense. BUT ... since we are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>trying to maintain ... by still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>with those same numbers, are we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>somewhat doing ourselves in by not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eating enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>and then ending up going on a rampage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>a day or so later? Did I convey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>my thoughts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>well enough for anyone to understand?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I guess this came into play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>today when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>was thinking about the Wendy's frosty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I had splurged on last week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Roughly 13
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points for a large one (I really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>splurged!) ... 600 or close to it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>calories.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Normally I think that it would take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>about 4 or 5 days to earn enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points to work it off. Today for some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>reason my brain kicked into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>calorie mode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>instead ... which told me that no, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>really is only 2 workout sessions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>treadmill. So if I've been working my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>tail off everyday, and only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eating what ww
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>says I've earned ... could that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>explain those hungry days? And explain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>why my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight didn't skyrocket as I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>anticipated it would when I did hit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that feeding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>frenzy?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Interesting. I was never quite clear on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>converting points to calories and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>activity points/exercise is even more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>or maybe less clear but you folks with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>TOYS that calculate calories burned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>might have a better handle on things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>So you think WW did not quite tell us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>the truth?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>(G) That could explain why I lost so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> well during the program - I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> getting in the main 15-30 activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> points on a weekend a some more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> during the week. And I was better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> at limiting the snacking back then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>- driven to succeed. Or maybe since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> had my own FAT points to burn, I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> not need or desire the extra points I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> am now consuming.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I'm going on information passed along by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >others, as to the calorie vs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>points
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >conversions. And I really have no idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >if what I'm *thinking* makes any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sense at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >all, or has any truth behind it ... or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >if I'm just outthinking myself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>once again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >My cynical mind has me thinking that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >calorie difference between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>points eaten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >and activity points is probably because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >most people will figure those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >points high in the beginning ... have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >idea as to what is really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>considered high
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >exertion. I know my perception was quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >different when I was sitting at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>220
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >pounds, than it is now. Heck, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >cruising the neighborhood leisurely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >chore to me. <g> So by giving double
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >credit (so to speak) even if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>figured high,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >you should still lose some weight. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >also thinking of ww telling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>people that 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >minutes of doing laundry is worth 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >activity points ... still can't quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>figure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >that out since 30 minutes of laundry for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >me is pretty much nothing other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>than a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >few trips up and down the stairs ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >definitely less exertion than 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>minutes on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the treadmill. I do think that drive to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >succeed is also a BIG factor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>While I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >still have that drive and still consider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >myself as trying to succeed, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>goal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >itself has definitely changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I'm confused again. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Same here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just another constant in my life. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >used to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Fred said:
Joyce said:
It's one of those original chicago pizza places, have
opened up a few restaurants in the suburbs now ... Gino's
east. They do have a website where you can order frozen,
www.ginoseast.com which reroutes you to featuredfoods.coma
store/c-GinoAns_East.shtml?E+scstore+ginos
Quoted message said:
I searched through this website yesterday, looking for
nutritional info, couldn't find any. I asked the manager
at the store, they had no idea. Just now I looked at the
website again, but at the mailorder section and finally
found the nutritional info ... definitely not as good as I
had myself convinced. LOL Works out to 9pts per large
slice (but alot of protein!). Oh well, I'm still going to
enjoy it on occassion. <g>
Some nutritional info is better not knowing (G). The other
day while downhill skiing I had the second half of my
pastrami sandwich for lunch. When I pulled it out, my
friend said: "THAT'S HALF!!!! YOU ONLY COUNT THAT AS SEVEN
POINTS!!!" (she did use CAPS when she said it, too!!)
(ggggggggg) I actually, only ate half of that half as lunch
and had the other half-half for dinner. But she is probably
right - but like you said, it has worked for over a year at
"SEVEN POINTS" and so I still go with it. And it is
possible that with the whole wheat bread (dyed beige), the
lettuce, pickle, tomato and pepperoncini, the fiber helps
it a bit.
Very true. I wasn't at all happy to learn that I'd been
miscounting these points for well over a year. But was
thrilled to finally have some better knowledge at hand. And,
even making false estimations, it somehow managed to work
out and not create any long term damage over the course.
Unfortunately, now that I have that knowledge, I can't in
good concious continue assigning it that lower number. <g>
Keep counting your pastrami as you have. Maybe giving it
that lower number helps to kick things in gear later in the
week? And with your workouts, it more than likely balances
out anyway - due to underestimating your activity. If it
ain't broke, don't fix it.
Joyce

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LOL! You don't know my crew, do you. I'll just go with the
standard *if you don't like it, dinner's over* line. They
get one shot at a meal, after that they are on their own.
Joyce
Fred said:
Hey, just tell them you worked your fingers to the bone
ripping it out of the packaging and sweated over getting it
on the cookie tin and to eat it and like it or else! (G)
Joyce said:
What is this? Is it like a lasagna ... or a pot pie? I'm
never sure how things like this will swing past the rest
of the family. I'd probably like it, but they are a much
fussier crew.
Joyce
Miss Violette said:
Try the Mediterranean spinach pie from Trader Joe's for
something new, that was tonight's dinner, really good,
Lee Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> Ok, ok, no pushing food ... today anyway. I haven't had
> anything new and interesting to push, and probably best
> if I didn't push the spinach pizza
we had
> for dinner last night (although I'd like to, have half
> of the dang thing
in the
> fridge still). It was good though. <G>
>
> Joyce
>
> On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:59:59 -0800, Fred
> <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>
> >Hey, you are not allowed to push food! (G) High tech
> >toys are entirely different (G)
> >
> >On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 01:25:58 -0600, Joyce
> ><[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >>Arggggggh! you are really trying hard to talk me into
> >>that wirless,
aren't you?
> >>At least I push you to the cheaper things (bulk
> >>icecream). <G> Although
... less
> >>calories in a wireless adapter.
> >>
> >>Joyce
> >>
> >>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:47:50 -0800, Fred
> >><[email hidden]>
wrote:
> >>
> >>>I will not discuss weight at the moment (which
> >>>appears up again this morning)
> >>>
> >>>Good for getting in all that exercise. I believe
> >>>that I am taking the day off to hit the downhill
> >>>slopes on cross-country gear. At least that is the
> >>>email I just sent my secretary (G)
> >>>
> >>>Wireless is really neat. Yesterday, a few times I
> >>>opened the laptop downstairs and just surfed the web
> >>>and checked some stuff out. Also moved a file or two
> >>>between computers.
> >>>
> >>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:09:19 -0600, Joyce
> >>><[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Evidentally, weight dropped way down today, right
> >>>>back to where it
should be. I
> >>>>did get in two treadmill sessions today though, so
> >>>>made up a bit for
being out of
> >>>>commission for the past few days. Don't think I'm
> >>>>going to make a
habit of that
> >>>>though. The time hub chooses to exercise is tough
> >>>>for me. Just
finish up and
> >>>>have to move right into dinner prep - while he
> >>>>rests quietly on his
chair. Guess
> >>>>I shouldn't complain, I'm probably still burning
> >>>>those calories. <G>
> >>>>
> >>>>I'm totally jealous of your wireless connection,
> >>>>and moving into a
second one.
> >>>>I'm scared silly to even attempt the first. Then
> >>>>again, maybe I
should just bite
> >>>>the bullet and do it ... while Linksys still offers
> >>>>free tech support.
<G> I will
> >>>>definitely go with Linksys merchandise, the
> >>>>customer service is worth
every extra
> >>>>penny.
> >>>>
> >>>>Joyce
> >>>>
> >>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:10:56 -0800, Fred
> >>>><[email hidden]>
wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Well, [censored] about a submerged treadmill
> >>>>>probably was worth some points anyway.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Yes, crossing fingers, Linksys gets my vote. I
> >>>>>have also called a
few
> >>>>>times. And probably will again as I have another
> >>>>>wireless to hookup
> >>>>>(G)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:37:36 -0600, Joyce
> >>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>I usually avoid tech support as much as I can,
> >>>>>>didn't have a choice
with the modem
> >>>>>>issue as from what I've discovered dsl modems can
> >>>>>>not be purchased
from any stores
> >>>>>>around me. Cable modems, yes ... dsl, no. Don't
> >>>>>>know why and no
one seems to be
> >>>>>>able to give me an answer. I've contacted Linksys
> >>>>>>twice now, both
times they have
> >>>>>>been extremely helpful and courteous (maybe I've
> >>>>>>just been lucky?).
I've noticed
> >>>>>>the same thing with support going to charging,
> >>>>>>might have been when
I stopped
> >>>>>>calling. Paying for help with a product is one of
> >>>>>>those things that
really
> >>>>>>irritates me. Is it any different than visiting a
> >>>>>>customer service
desk in a
> >>>>>>retail store? Or a cashier checking me out at a
> >>>>>>grocer? Or a bank
teller? next
> >>>>>>thing ya know, we'll be paying for those services
> >>>>>>as well. I figure
that these
> >>>>>>salaries are already covered in the inflated
> >>>>>>merchandise prices ...
now it's just
> >>>>>>another way to nick the consumer. <sigh>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>No treadmill for the past 2 days. Hub decided to
> >>>>>>unload all the
bike parts on TOP
> >>>>>>of the treadmill ... thus putting me out of
> >>>>>>commission. I [censored]
loud and long
> >>>>>>today ... bike is now put together and treadmill
> >>>>>>is once again
usable. MEN! <g>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Joyce
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:29:59 -0800, Fred
> >>>>>><[email hidden]>
wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Sorry you had the usual response from support
> >>>>>>>people but managed to get going eventually. I am
> >>>>>>>still waiting for linksys to end their pretty
> >>>>>>>universal coverage - so many now charge fees
> >>>>>>>IMMEDIATELY. There use to be free tech, then 90
> >>>>>>>days free tech. Now there is NO tech. I guess it
> >>>>>>>was to be expected since some much of this stuff
has
> >>>>>>>substantially dropped in price.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Breathe deeply and hit the treadmill - oh, I
> >>>>>>>don't mean with your fist!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:59:38 -0600, Joyce
> >>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>After the day I had today, trying to get router
> >>>>>>>>to work with new
modem, the
> >>>>>>>>wireless option is going to go on a back burner
> >>>>>>>>for a bit. I am
not up to any
> >>>>>>>>more frustration. <G> Silly me thought all I
> >>>>>>>>would have to do
was plug the old
> >>>>>>>>cords into the new modem and all would once
> >>>>>>>>again be well. WRONG!
Earthlink
> >>>>>>>>switched brands of modems, would give me
> >>>>>>>>absolutely no tech
support - only told me
> >>>>>>>>I would first have to subscribe to their home-
> >>>>>>>>networking service.
I was not kind,
> >>>>>>>>patience worn thin after 2.5 hours of playing
> >>>>>>>>around. I finally
screamed at the
> >>>>>>>>guy, *can you tell me that if I pay your silly
> >>>>>>>>fee you will push
the magic switch
> >>>>>>>>to make my modem communicate with my router?*
> >>>>>>>>Only to be told
that customer
> >>>>>>>>service could give me all the details. I have a
> >>>>>>>>feeling that my
questions were
> >>>>>>>>not covered in their manual.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>So on a whim I called Linksys, spoke to a
> >>>>>>>>wonderfully kind young
man who had me up
> >>>>>>>>and running in a few minutes. Seems that for
> >>>>>>>>some reason the
router ran on wrong
> >>>>>>>>settings with the last modem - and of course I
> >>>>>>>>kept switching to
those wrong
> >>>>>>>>settings when trying to get this one going.
> >>>>>>>>Makes no sense to me,
but it did to
> >>>>>>>>him and I guess that's all that matters.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Joyce
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:07 -0800, Fred
<[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG - re: using the wireless
> >>>>>>>>>adapter more.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:12 -0600, Joyce
> >>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>LOL! Guess I could say the same where the
> >>>>>>>>>>dusting and vacuuming
are concerned,
> >>>>>>>>>>although laundry is constantly going. I
> >>>>>>>>>>ordered a new vacuum
yesterday, have no
> >>>>>>>>>>idea why - probably won't use the thing very
> >>>>>>>>>>often. I would
have used the
> >>>>>>>>>>wireless router more. <G>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Joyce
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:38:06 -0800, Fred
<[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Well, then I guess I should get points for
> >>>>>>>>>>>laundry and dusting
and
> >>>>>>>>>>>vacuuming since I do them so infrequently my
> >>>>>>>>>>>body definitely
finds
> >>>>>>>>>>>them foreign exercise!!!!! (G)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:40:01 -0600, Joyce
> >>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>I don't take those laundry points either,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>nor the vacuuming,
dusting - general
> >>>>>>>>>>>>stuff that I do easily or routinely. If I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>spending the
entire day on one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>activity, then I may rethink things. I just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>no how my brain
works, and the *old*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>me would have seen that indicator from ww
> >>>>>>>>>>>>saying that laundry
was great exercise,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>and it would have been one more excuse not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>to do anything
else. And since I've
> >>>>>>>>>>>>spent the majority of my life doing laundry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>... and not losing
weight ... I figure
> >>>>>>>>>>>>laundry is not the exercise option for me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>><G>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:32:46 -0600, "Miss
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Violette"
<[email hidden]>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>As far as the laundry goes, since I do the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>majority of it I
do not take the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>points as it is a regular activity for me,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I only take points
for things
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>that I normally do not do. I also think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>this is why I have
lost as well as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I have even though I have not done formal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>exercise. But
having said that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>you also bend, stretch, lift and haul
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>during laundry and in
my case I walk
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>the length of my house to put them all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>away. I took the APs
for the big
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry adventure because it was non stop
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>moving for seven
hours with just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>three small breaks. It does seem that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>along with the
discrepancy in points
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>eaten Vs calories used is part of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>mystery of WW but along
with that I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>think we get used to some activities so we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>actually,
eventually adapt to the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>activity so we must at least change or add
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>in order to eat
the points, Lee,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>who thinks she and Joyce are related Fred
> >>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>message news:18nm30d1a1omsnsoe3r6374al7g0-
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>[email hidden]...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more mudslides - too bad (G)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll move stuff up here. Activity points
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are definitely a
oddball
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> factor in WW. I think, though, that you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are correct - they
are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended as a positive benefit and help
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> weightloss so that
the point
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> values may be somewhat skewed so that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you gain benefit even
if you eat
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the calories/points. But like you, even
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> though I was very
active in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my hiking/etc, it is much easier now and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not earning
as many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> points but I seem to be hungrier. But I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have 60 pounds
less fuel to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> burn. I guess we should not second guess
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this stuff - we
know that it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> works pretty well and they do constantly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> come up with new
tweaks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (probably both for commercial reasons
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and practical
reasons.)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep on doing what works and keep
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> questioning how and why
on some days
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to just keep the mind fresh (G)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:46:06 -0600,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joyce <[email hidden]>
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:50:10 -0800,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Fred
<[email hidden]>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:40:11 -0600,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Joyce <[email hidden]>
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:09:51 -0800,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Fred
<[email hidden]>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>You may be right. Too little main
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>course might lead
to even more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>snacking. The body may just want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>to hold at this
weight. And maybe
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>just need to cater to it. A WW
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>leader who shall
remain nameless has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>suggested that my weekend's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>probably need more food.
After all I am
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>not still burning off the self-
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>storage points that
use to gather
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>around my waist.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>I have a feeling you may be finding
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>or accepting the
same thing that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I have ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>we're just where our bodies want or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>need to be.
Up/down a few
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>pounds, it all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>balances out - but no dramatic
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>drops that seem to stay
in place
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>permanently. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>think Lesanne hit the nail on the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>head in a prior post
when she said
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>that if we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>are still losing weight easily,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>then we aren't *there*
yet. I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>thinking, my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>friend, we are there ... whether we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>like it or not.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>I think you are right - I'm doing a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>good job of just
wobbling in place
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>- like riding a bicycle - a bit left
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> and bit right and
mostly straight
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>ahead. A bit up, a bit down and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>mostly right on
MAINTENANCE.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Which is as it should be when you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>are where you belong.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Yup, I think it is finally
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>registering with me that
seesawing a bit is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>just going
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to be a fact of life. Down again
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>today, back to where I
was last week.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Then I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>killed off the mudslides tonite - so
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>probably back up
tomorrow. <G> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Well, since I read down below, I think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>you needed the
mudslide to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>clear up the activity points issue (g)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Other than the
fact that I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>will not wi officially if I'm too late
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>on Weds, I think
this might be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>another slightly up week - so says the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>scale this
morning. I need a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>down week again! Oh, still under goal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Up a teeny bit this morning, which I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >expected - nothing
major. And that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>bottle is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >now gone, out, been removed from the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >premises ... so it
will no longer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>bother me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Probably be another year before I see
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >one again. <G>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>I may experiment a bit. I think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>the snacking was
better last
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>night -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>that's two nights after the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>weekend. And I recall it
was similar
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>last
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>week. Or is it just that today is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>WI and my mind
accepts LESS.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>For the most part my snacking has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>been pretty well
under control,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>with exception
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to last week. <G> Don't know what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>got into me or why.
The last few
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>days I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>haven't felt those same hunger
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>munchies that nothing
would satisfy.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe I need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to keep better track of these
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>episodes? I wonder if
they have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>anything to do with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>hitting a lower than usual weight,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>like the body
sending signals to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>eat, eat, eat!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Well, that's the ol' set point
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>theory which, of course,
we definitely
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>accepted as the reason why we could
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>not get the excess
weight off
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>BEFORE we got it off. But I am sure
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>that the body does
have its
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>limits. Starvation mode or a modest
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>form of it, I'm
sure, is working
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>to keep the body working correctly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>and nourished right.
I do know (I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>wrote to Lesanne) that I am not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>noticeably hungry but
just snacking.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Are those the signals that I really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>do need those
snacks? They are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>better snacks than years past.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Hmmmmm, not sure what to tell you on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>this one. I do
snack, usually
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>(but not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>always, I'm not a saint) healthier
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>options - but it
definitely is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>nowhere near the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>amount that I was snacking on last
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>year. When I hit
those constant
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>phases, I am definitely noticeably
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>hungry ... to myself
and everyone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>else. My
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>stomach is grumbling loudly,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>sometimes a little
lightheaded or just not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>quite right. Then there are the times
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>when I am just
bored and eating
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>seems to be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>the thing to do. THAT'S what I need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to get control of
... as I sit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>here in front
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>of my computer, definitely not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>hungry, yet there is a
bowl of meringues
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>sitting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>right in front of me. I may go dump
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>them back into the
container.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Yesterday it was Meringues, mango and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>on the bike ride,
that breakfast
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>cookie. too much stuff.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Today *feels* like one of those days to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >me. Have you ever
just felt like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>you've
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >really overdone things - yet when
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >thinking it all out it
really wasn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>THAT bad?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Well, that's where I'm at today.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Something I've eaten has
left me
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >incredibly full and bloated ... no idea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >what, nothing I
can really put my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>finger
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >on. The only good thing about feeling
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >this way is that it
keeps me from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I haven't had one snack all day long.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Ok, here's something else I was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>thinking about today ...
and I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>probably way off
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>base, but in my head it somewhat
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>makes some sense.
Regarding the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>amount of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity points earned, and eaten. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>understand that
100 calories
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>expended = 1
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity point, and this made sense
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to me as I was
losing weight. Ok,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>so what if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>roughly 50 calories = 1 point , if we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>ate all AP's we
earned, we could
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>still lose
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight. I figured ww had us working
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>in somewhat of a
deficit mode,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>which really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>does make sense. BUT ... since we are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>trying to
maintain ... by still
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>working
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>with those same numbers, are we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>somewhat doing ourselves
in by not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>eating enough
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>and then ending up going on a rampage
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>a day or so later?
Did I convey
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>my thoughts
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>well enough for anyone to understand?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I guess this came
into play
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>today when I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>was thinking about the Wendy's frosty
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I had splurged on
last week.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Roughly 13
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points for a large one (I really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>splurged!) ... 600 or
close to it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>calories.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Normally I think that it would take
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>about 4 or 5 days to
earn enough
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points to work it off. Today for some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>reason my brain
kicked into
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>calorie mode
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>instead ... which told me that no, it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>really is only 2
workout sessions
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>on my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>treadmill. So if I've been working my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>tail off
everyday, and only
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>eating what ww
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>says I've earned ... could that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>explain those hungry
days? And explain
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>why my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight didn't skyrocket as I had
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>anticipated it would
when I did hit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>that feeding
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>frenzy?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Interesting. I was never quite clear
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>on converting
points to calories
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>and activity points/exercise is even
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>more or maybe less
clear but you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>folks with TOYS that calculate
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>calories burned might have
a better
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>handle on things. So you think WW did
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>not quite tell us
the truth?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>(G) That could explain why I lost so
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> well during the
program - I was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>getting in the main 15-30 activity
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>points on a weekend a
some more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>during the week. And I was better at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>limiting the
snacking back then
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>- driven to succeed. Or maybe since I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> had my own FAT
points to burn,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>I did not need or desire the extra
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>points I am now
consuming.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I'm going on information passed along
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >by others, as to the
calorie vs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>points
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >conversions. And I really have no idea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >if what I'm
*thinking* makes any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>sense at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >all, or has any truth behind it ... or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >if I'm just
outthinking myself
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>once again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >My cynical mind has me thinking that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the calorie
difference between
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>points eaten
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >and activity points is probably because
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >most people will
figure those
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >points high in the beginning ... have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >no idea as to what
is really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>considered high
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >exertion. I know my perception was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >quite different when I
was sitting at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>220
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >pounds, than it is now. Heck, just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >cruising the
neighborhood leisurely
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>was a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >chore to me. <g> So by giving double
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >credit (so to speak)
even if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>figured high,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >you should still lose some weight. I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >also thinking of
ww telling
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>people that 30
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >minutes of doing laundry is worth 2
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >activity points ...
still can't quite
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>figure
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >that out since 30 minutes of laundry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >for me is pretty much
nothing other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>than a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >few trips up and down the stairs ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >definitely less
exertion than 30
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>minutes on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the treadmill. I do think that drive to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >succeed is also a
BIG factor.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>While I do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >still have that drive and still
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >consider myself as trying
to succeed, the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>goal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >itself has definitely changed.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I'm confused again. <G>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Same here.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just another constant in my life. I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >used to it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Joyce
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>

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Yeah, I recall Chicago Pizza - Uno or Du'e's or some
such..... (G)
Joyce said:
But see, I DO need that chocolate cake - my freezer is
crying for it. <G> I'm letting the freezer cry. I know me,
it would not ever make it to the freezer - and I have to
recover from the pizza first. Well, guess I have to kill
off the pizza before I can recover from it. <g>
And yes, those brownie bites are purely evil. Hub picked up
the container, put it down, picked it up, put it down. Then
tried to convince me that he was really only thinking of
purchasing them for me. I told him if they came home I
would personally force feed every damn one to him .. in one
evening. They stayed on that very visible table (probably
the same place they are residing at your store).
Plain, regular, cheap pizza never was brought in regularly,
guess we only had it once every few months. But GOOD pizza
(by my standards) is another story. It was a safe item
before we were able to get it locally. Lou Malnati's on
rare occassions, as there wasn't one nearby. Having a
similar type restaurant within a few miles is dangerous.
<g> I did tell hub though, that next time we are ordering
much less ... just too much leftover this trip, no one came
home to help eat it as usual. You were from the original
pizza era? Oh boy, I won't make any age related jokes here.
<G> I do remember those thin crust greasy pizzas, funny how
I loved them when I was a kid, funnier how I can't handle
them any longer. I think it might be true though. Only
chicagoans truly love the chicago deep dish pizzas.
Joyce
Fred said:
Pushing TUNA is just fine. I like the stuff and it is
healthy.
I saw the chocolate cake but I still have some frozen so
do not NEED IT YET (G)
I saw the brownie bites as I quickly turned an aisle
corner. They are set very visibly on the aisle end. No, I
just know that those are dangerous in size and munchiness.
I don't think I could eat just one. The chocolate cake is
just a reward and it is cake and gets eaten from a plate
with a fork. Brownie bites - just pop one in and swallow,
pop in another and swallow, pop in yet a third and ......
You get the idea. Much more dangerous than Mango (G)
I like pizza but it was never an "often" item anyway. More
when I was in Junior HS (G) when it was first introduced
and was 0.10 cents a slice with free coke!!! It was a
staple back then. I still remember the real olive oil
running down the forearm and dripping off the elbow......
Joyce said:
Alright!!!!! Today I'm pushing the costco Tuna -
shouldn't do you in too badly.
<G> I did look at the chocolate cake once again, and
brownie bites ... they stayed in the store. And
checked for the skinny cow larger pack ... nope,
nothing ... only healthy choice in the icecream
section.
Pizza is a staple in this house, had it all the way
through ww. It's nice to know that it can be done. I
suppose what I get is somewhat lower in points,
considering it has no meat, only spinach. And the crust
is more of a cornmeal crust - not a tough, doughy type.
Still, much better choices out there - but as far as
pizza goes, this is my favorite.
Joyce
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:57:57 -0800, Fred
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>Okay, today you can push food (G)
>
>Ski trip was work. But ultimately fun after I
>stopped (g)
>
>Have not had pizza in a long while. The last time may
>have been last April in Moab, Utah (G)
>
>On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 12:25:47 -0600, Joyce
><[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Ok, ok, no pushing food ... today anyway. I haven't had
>>anything new and interesting to push, and probably best
>>if I didn't push the spinach pizza we had for dinner
>>last night (although I'd like to, have half of the dang
>>thing in the fridge still). It was good though. <G>
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:59:59 -0800, Fred
>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>Hey, you are not allowed to push food! (G) High tech
>>>toys are entirely different (G)
>>>
>>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 01:25:58 -0600, Joyce
>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Arggggggh! you are really trying hard to talk me into
>>>>that wirless, aren't you? At least I push you to the
>>>>cheaper things (bulk icecream). <G> Although ... less
>>>>calories in a wireless adapter.
>>>>
>>>>Joyce
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:47:50 -0800, Fred
>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I will not discuss weight at the moment (which
>>>>>appears up again this morning)
>>>>>
>>>>>Good for getting in all that exercise. I believe
>>>>>that I am taking the day off to hit the downhill
>>>>>slopes on cross-country gear. At least that is the
>>>>>email I just sent my secretary (G)
>>>>>
>>>>>Wireless is really neat. Yesterday, a few times I
>>>>>opened the laptop downstairs and just surfed the web
>>>>>and checked some stuff out. Also moved a file or two
>>>>>between computers.
>>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:09:19 -0600, Joyce
>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Evidentally, weight dropped way down today, right
>>>>>>back to where it should be. I did get in two
>>>>>>treadmill sessions today though, so made up a bit
>>>>>>for being out of commission for the past few days.
>>>>>>Don't think I'm going to make a habit of that
>>>>>>though. The time hub chooses to exercise is tough
>>>>>>for me. Just finish up and have to move right into
>>>>>>dinner prep - while he rests quietly on his chair.
>>>>>>Guess I shouldn't complain, I'm probably still
>>>>>>burning those calories. <G>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm totally jealous of your wireless connection,
>>>>>>and moving into a second one. I'm scared silly to
>>>>>>even attempt the first. Then again, maybe I should
>>>>>>just bite the bullet and do it ... while Linksys
>>>>>>still offers free tech support. <G> I will
>>>>>>definitely go with Linksys merchandise, the
>>>>>>customer service is worth every extra penny.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:10:56 -0800, Fred
>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, [censored] about a submerged treadmill
>>>>>>>probably was worth some points anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, crossing fingers, Linksys gets my vote. I
>>>>>>>have also called a few times. And probably will
>>>>>>>again as I have another wireless to hookup
>>>>>>>(G)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:37:36 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I usually avoid tech support as much as I can,
>>>>>>>>didn't have a choice with the modem issue as from
>>>>>>>>what I've discovered dsl modems can not be
>>>>>>>>purchased from any stores around me. Cable
>>>>>>>>modems, yes ... dsl, no. Don't know why and no
>>>>>>>>one seems to be able to give me an answer. I've
>>>>>>>>contacted Linksys twice now, both times they have
>>>>>>>>been extremely helpful and courteous (maybe I've
>>>>>>>>just been lucky?). I've noticed the same thing
>>>>>>>>with support going to charging, might have been
>>>>>>>>when I stopped calling. Paying for help with a
>>>>>>>>product is one of those things that really
>>>>>>>>irritates me. Is it any different than visiting a
>>>>>>>>customer service desk in a retail store? Or a
>>>>>>>>cashier checking me out at a grocer? Or a bank
>>>>>>>>teller? next thing ya know, we'll be paying for
>>>>>>>>those services as well. I figure that these
>>>>>>>>salaries are already covered in the inflated
>>>>>>>>merchandise prices ... now it's just another way
>>>>>>>>to nick the consumer. <sigh>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No treadmill for the past 2 days. Hub decided to
>>>>>>>>unload all the bike parts on TOP of the treadmill
>>>>>>>>... thus putting me out of commission. I [censored]
>>>>>>>>loud and long today ... bike is now put together
>>>>>>>>and treadmill is once again usable. MEN! <g>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:29:59 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sorry you had the usual response from support
>>>>>>>>>people but managed to get going eventually. I am
>>>>>>>>>still waiting for linksys to end their pretty
>>>>>>>>>universal coverage - so many now charge fees
>>>>>>>>>IMMEDIATELY. There use to be free tech, then 90
>>>>>>>>>days free tech. Now there is NO tech. I guess it
>>>>>>>>>was to be expected since some much of this stuff
>>>>>>>>>has substantially dropped in price.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Breathe deeply and hit the treadmill - oh, I
>>>>>>>>>don't mean with your fist!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:59:38 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>After the day I had today, trying to get router
>>>>>>>>>>to work with new modem, the wireless option is
>>>>>>>>>>going to go on a back burner for a bit. I am
>>>>>>>>>>not up to any more frustration. <G> Silly me
>>>>>>>>>>thought all I would have to do was plug the old
>>>>>>>>>>cords into the new modem and all would once
>>>>>>>>>>again be well. WRONG! Earthlink switched brands
>>>>>>>>>>of modems, would give me absolutely no tech
>>>>>>>>>>support - only told me I would first have to
>>>>>>>>>>subscribe to their home-networking service. I
>>>>>>>>>>was not kind, patience worn thin after 2.5
>>>>>>>>>>hours of playing around. I finally screamed at
>>>>>>>>>>the guy, *can you tell me that if I pay your
>>>>>>>>>>silly fee you will push the magic switch to
>>>>>>>>>>make my modem communicate with my router?* Only
>>>>>>>>>>to be told that customer service could give me
>>>>>>>>>>all the details. I have a feeling that my
>>>>>>>>>>questions were not covered in their manual.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So on a whim I called Linksys, spoke to a
>>>>>>>>>>wonderfully kind young man who had me up and
>>>>>>>>>>running in a few minutes. Seems that for some
>>>>>>>>>>reason the router ran on wrong settings with
>>>>>>>>>>the last modem - and of course I kept switching
>>>>>>>>>>to those wrong settings when trying to get this
>>>>>>>>>>one going. Makes no sense to me, but it did to
>>>>>>>>>>him and I guess that's all that matters.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:07 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG - re: using the wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>adapter more.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:12 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL! Guess I could say the same where the
>>>>>>>>>>>>dusting and vacuuming are concerned, although
>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry is constantly going. I ordered a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>vacuum yesterday, have no idea why - probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>won't use the thing very often. I would have
>>>>>>>>>>>>used the wireless router more. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:38:06 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, then I guess I should get points for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry and dusting and vacuuming since I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>them so infrequently my body definitely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>finds them foreign exercise!!!!! (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:40:01 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't take those laundry points either,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nor the vacuuming, dusting - general stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that I do easily or routinely. If I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>spending the entire day on one activity,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>then I may rethink things. I just no how my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>brain works, and the *old* me would have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>seen that indicator from ww saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry was great exercise, and it would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have been one more excuse not to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything else. And since I've spent the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>majority of my life doing laundry ... and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not losing weight ... I figure laundry is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not the exercise option for me. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:32:46 -0600, "Miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As far as the laundry goes, since I do the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>majority of it I do not take the points as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it is a regular activity for me, I only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>take points for things that I normally do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not do. I also think this is why I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lost as well as I have even though I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not done formal exercise. But having said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that you also bend, stretch, lift and haul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>during laundry and in my case I walk the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>length of my house to put them all away. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>took the APs for the big laundry adventure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>because it was non stop moving for seven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hours with just three small breaks. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>does seem that along with the discrepancy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in points eaten Vs calories used is part
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of the mystery of WW but along with that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>think we get used to some activities so we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>actually, eventually adapt to the activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>so we must at least change or add in order
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to eat the points, Lee, who thinks she and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce are related Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>message news:18nm30d1a1omsnsoe3r6374al7g0-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more mudslides - too bad (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll move stuff up here. Activity points
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are definitely a oddball factor in WW. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think, though, that you are correct -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are intended as a positive benefit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and help weightloss so that the point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> values may be somewhat skewed so that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you gain benefit even if you eat the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calories/points. But like you, even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though I was very active in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hiking/etc, it is much easier now and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am not earning as many points but I seem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be hungrier. But I have 60 pounds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less fuel to burn. I guess we should not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second guess this stuff - we know that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it works pretty well and they do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constantly come up with new tweaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (probably both for commercial reasons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and practical reasons.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep on doing what works and keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questioning how and why on some days to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just keep the mind fresh (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:46:06 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:50:10 -0800,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Fred <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:40:11 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:09:51 -0800,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Fred <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>You may be right. Too little main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>course might lead to even more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>snacking. The body may just want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>to hold at this weight. And maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>just need to cater to it. A WW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>leader who shall remain nameless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>has suggested that my weekend's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>probably need more food. After all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>I am not still burning off the self-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>storage points that use to gather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>around my waist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>I have a feeling you may be finding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>or accepting the same thing that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>we're just where our bodies want or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>need to be. Up/down a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pounds, it all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>balances out - but no dramatic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>drops that seem to stay in place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>permanently. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>think Lesanne hit the nail on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>head in a prior post when she said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>are still losing weight easily,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>then we aren't *there* yet. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thinking, my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>friend, we are there ... whether we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>like it or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>I think you are right - I'm doing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>good job of just wobbling in place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>- like riding a bicycle - a bit left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> and bit right and mostly straight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> ahead. A bit up, a bit down and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> mostly right on MAINTENANCE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Which is as it should be when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>are where you belong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Yup, I think it is finally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>registering with me that seesawing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>bit is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>just going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to be a fact of life. Down again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>today, back to where I was last week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>killed off the mudslides tonite - so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>probably back up tomorrow. <G> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Well, since I read down below, I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>you needed the mudslide to clear up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>the activity points issue (g) Other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>than the fact that I will not wi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>officially if I'm too late on Weds, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>think this might be another slightly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>up week - so says the scale this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>morning. I need a down week again! Oh,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>still under goal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Up a teeny bit this morning, which I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >expected - nothing major. And that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bottle is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >now gone, out, been removed from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >premises ... so it will no longer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bother me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Probably be another year before I see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >one again. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>I may experiment a bit. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>the snacking was better last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>night -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>that's two nights after the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>weekend. And I recall it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>week. Or is it just that today is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>WI and my mind accepts LESS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>For the most part my snacking has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>been pretty well under control,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with exception
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to last week. <G> Don't know what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>got into me or why. The last few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>days I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>haven't felt those same hunger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>munchies that nothing would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>satisfy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to keep better track of these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>episodes? I wonder if they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything to do with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>hitting a lower than usual weight,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>like the body sending signals to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eat, eat, eat!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Well, that's the ol' set point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>theory which, of course, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>definitely accepted as the reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>why we could not get the excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>weight off BEFORE we got it off. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>I am sure that the body does have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>its limits. Starvation mode or a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>modest form of it, I'm sure, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>working to keep the body working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>correctly and nourished right. I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>know (I wrote to Lesanne) that I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>not noticeably hungry but just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>snacking. Are those the signals that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>I really do need those snacks? They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>are better snacks than years past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Hmmmmm, not sure what to tell you on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>this one. I do snack, usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(but not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>always, I'm not a saint) healthier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>options - but it definitely is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nowhere near the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>amount that I was snacking on last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>year. When I hit those constant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>phases, I am definitely noticeably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>hungry ... to myself and everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>else. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>stomach is grumbling loudly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>sometimes a little lightheaded or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>just not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>quite right. Then there are the times
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>when I am just bored and eating
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>seems to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>the thing to do. THAT'S what I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to get control of ... as I sit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>here in front
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>of my computer, definitely not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>hungry, yet there is a bowl of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>meringues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>right in front of me. I may go dump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>them back into the container.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Yesterday it was Meringues, mango and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>on the bike ride, that breakfast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>cookie. too much stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Today *feels* like one of those days to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >me. Have you ever just felt like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >really overdone things - yet when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >thinking it all out it really wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>THAT bad?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Well, that's where I'm at today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Something I've eaten has left me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >incredibly full and bloated ... no idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >what, nothing I can really put my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>finger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >on. The only good thing about feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >this way is that it keeps me from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I haven't had one snack all day long.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Ok, here's something else I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>thinking about today ... and I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>probably way off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>base, but in my head it somewhat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>makes some sense. Regarding the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>amount of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity points earned, and eaten. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>understand that 100 calories
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>expended = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity point, and this made sense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to me as I was losing weight. Ok,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>so what if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>roughly 50 calories = 1 point , if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>ate all AP's we earned, we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>still lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight. I figured ww had us working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>in somewhat of a deficit mode,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>does make sense. BUT ... since we are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>trying to maintain ... by still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>with those same numbers, are we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>somewhat doing ourselves in by not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eating enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>and then ending up going on a rampage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>a day or so later? Did I convey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>my thoughts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>well enough for anyone to understand?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I guess this came into play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>today when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>was thinking about the Wendy's frosty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I had splurged on last week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Roughly 13
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points for a large one (I really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>splurged!) ... 600 or close to it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>calories.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Normally I think that it would take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>about 4 or 5 days to earn enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points to work it off. Today for some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>reason my brain kicked into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>calorie mode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>instead ... which told me that no, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>really is only 2 workout sessions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>treadmill. So if I've been working my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>tail off everyday, and only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eating what ww
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>says I've earned ... could that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>explain those hungry days? And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>explain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>why my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight didn't skyrocket as I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>anticipated it would when I did hit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that feeding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>frenzy?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Interesting. I was never quite clear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>on converting points to calories and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>activity points/exercise is even more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>or maybe less clear but you folks with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>TOYS that calculate calories burned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>might have a better handle on things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>So you think WW did not quite tell us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>the truth?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>(G) That could explain why I lost so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> well during the program - I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> getting in the main 15-30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> activity points on a weekend a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> some more during the week. And I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> was better at limiting the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> snacking back then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>- driven to succeed. Or maybe since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> had my own FAT points to burn, I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> not need or desire the extra points
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I am now consuming.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I'm going on information passed along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >by others, as to the calorie vs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>points
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >conversions. And I really have no idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >if what I'm *thinking* makes any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sense at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >all, or has any truth behind it ... or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >if I'm just outthinking myself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>once again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >My cynical mind has me thinking that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the calorie difference between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>points eaten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >and activity points is probably because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >most people will figure those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >points high in the beginning ... have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >no idea as to what is really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>considered high
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >exertion. I know my perception was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >quite different when I was sitting at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>220
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >pounds, than it is now. Heck, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >cruising the neighborhood leisurely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >chore to me. <g> So by giving double
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >credit (so to speak) even if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>figured high,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >you should still lose some weight. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >also thinking of ww telling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>people that 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >minutes of doing laundry is worth 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >activity points ... still can't quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>figure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >that out since 30 minutes of laundry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >for me is pretty much nothing other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>than a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >few trips up and down the stairs ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >definitely less exertion than 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>minutes on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the treadmill. I do think that drive to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >succeed is also a BIG factor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>While I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >still have that drive and still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >consider myself as trying to succeed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>goal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >itself has definitely changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I'm confused again. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Same here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just another constant in my life. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >used to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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I'll have you know I think I gained reading this post, Lee drooling...
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Pushing TUNA is just fine. I like the stuff and it is
healthy.
I saw the chocolate cake but I still have some frozen so
do not NEED IT YET (G)
I saw the brownie bites as I quickly turned an aisle
corner. They are set very visibly on the aisle end. No, I
just know that those are dangerous in size and munchiness.
I don't think I could eat just one. The chocolate cake is
just a reward and it is cake and gets eaten from a plate
with a fork. Brownie bites - just pop one in and swallow,
pop in another and swallow, pop in yet a third and ......
You get the idea. Much more dangerous than Mango (G)
I like pizza but it was never an "often" item anyway. More
when I was in Junior HS (G) when it was first introduced
and was 0.10 cents a slice with free coke!!! It was a
staple back then. I still remember the real olive oil
running down the forearm and dripping off the elbow......
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Alright!!!!! Today I'm pushing the costco Tuna -
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badly.
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<G> I did look at the chocolate cake once again, and
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they
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stayed in the store. And checked for the skinny cow
larger pack ...

nope, nothing
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... only healthy choice in the icecream section.
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nice to know
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that it can be done. I suppose what I get is somewhat
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cornmeal
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crust - not a tough, doughy type. Still, much better
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but as
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far as pizza goes, this is my favorite.
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Okay, today you can push food (G)
Ski trip was work. But ultimately fun after I
stopped (g)
Have not had pizza in a long while. The last time may
have been last April in Moab, Utah (G)
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>Ok, ok, no pushing food ... today anyway. I haven't had
>anything new

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>interesting to push, and probably best if I didn't push
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>Joyce
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>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:59:59 -0800, Fred
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>>Hey, you are not allowed to push food! (G) High tech
>>toys are entirely different (G)
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>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 01:25:58 -0600, Joyce
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>>>Arggggggh! you are really trying hard to talk me into
>>>that wirless,

aren't you?
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>>>At least I push you to the cheaper things (bulk
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>>>Joyce
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>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:47:50 -0800, Fred
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>>>>I will not discuss weight at the moment (which
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>>>>day off to hit the downhill slopes on cross-country
>>>>gear. At least that is the email I just sent my
>>>>secretary (G)
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>>>>Wireless is really neat. Yesterday, a few times I
>>>>opened the laptop downstairs and just surfed the web
>>>>and checked some stuff out. Also moved a file or two
>>>>between computers.
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:09:19 -0600, Joyce
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>>>>>Evidentally, weight dropped way down today, right
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for being out of
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finish up and
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<G>
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second one.
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should just bite
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>>>>>customer service is

worth every extra
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>>>>>Joyce
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>>>>>>Well, [censored] about a submerged treadmill
>>>>>>probably was worth some points anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, crossing fingers, Linksys gets my vote. I
>>>>>>have also called a

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>>>>>>>I usually avoid tech support as much as I can,
>>>>>>>didn't have a

choice with the modem
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>>>>>>>might have been

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bank teller? next
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>>>>>>>No treadmill for the past 2 days. Hub decided to
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>>>>>>>>linksys to end

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was plug the old
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>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:07 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>>>>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG - re: using the wireless
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>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:12 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
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>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:38:06 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:32:46 -0600, "Miss
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more mudslides - too bad (G)
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they are
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why on some days
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:46:06 -0600,
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MAINTENANCE.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just another constant in my life. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >used to it.
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We ended up eating it with asparagus, noodles itialano SP? and the pie, an
entire TJ meal,... I will purchase again...will purchase again... will.. Lee
Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It does sound good, I'll take a look at it next trip in.
Thanks for the

info.
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See? Even now YOU are pushing Trader Joe's products. It
doesn't take

long, does
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it? <grin>
Joyce
On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 03:43:11 -0600, "Miss Violette"

<[email hidden]>
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It is a pi deal, philo dough, spinach and cheese in
layers, top and

bottom
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crust. We used it as the main entree, but you could make
it six pieces

and
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use as a side. It reminded me of those little spinach
turnovers from a Greek restaurant but with a little more
pepper. If we have time tomorrow

I
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think we will have it with cauliflower and buttered
parmesan noodles, Lee Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in
message
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What is this? Is it like a lasagna ... or a pot pie?
I'm never sure

how
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things
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like this will swing past the rest of the family. I'd
probably like

it,
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but they
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are a much fussier crew.
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On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 00:05:25 -0600, "Miss Violette"

<[email hidden]>
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wrote:
>Try the Mediterranean spinach pie from Trader Joe's
>for something new,

that
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>was tonight's dinner, really good, Lee Joyce
><[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> Ok, ok, no pushing food ... today anyway. I haven't
>> had anything

new
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>> interesting to push, and probably best if I didn't
>> push the spinach

pizza
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>we had
>> for dinner last night (although I'd like to, have
>> half of the dang

thing
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>in the
>> fridge still). It was good though. <G>
>>
>> Joyce
>>
>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:59:59 -0800, Fred
>> <[email hidden]>
>wrote:
>>
>> >Hey, you are not allowed to push food! (G) High
>> >tech toys are entirely different (G)
>> >
>> >On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 01:25:58 -0600, Joyce
>> ><[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Arggggggh! you are really trying hard to talk me
>> >>into that

wirless,
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>> >>At least I push you to the cheaper things (bulk
>> >>icecream). <G>

Although
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>... less
>> >>calories in a wireless adapter.
>> >>
>> >>Joyce
>> >>
>> >>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:47:50 -0800, Fred

<[email hidden]>
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>> >>
>> >>>I will not discuss weight at the moment (which
>> >>>appears up again

this
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>> >>>morning)
>> >>>
>> >>>Good for getting in all that exercise. I believe
>> >>>that I am

taking
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>> >>>day off to hit the downhill slopes on cross-
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least
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>> >>>that is the email I just sent my secretary (G)
>> >>>
>> >>>Wireless is really neat. Yesterday, a few times I
>> >>>opened the

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>> >>>
>> >>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:09:19 -0600, Joyce
>> >>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>Evidentally, weight dropped way down today,
>> >>>>right back to where

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>> >>>>though. The time hub chooses to exercise is
>> >>>>tough for me. Just
>finish up and
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>> >>>>rests quietly on

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>> >>>>those calories.

<G>
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>> >>>>I'm totally jealous of your wireless connection,
>> >>>>and moving into

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>> >>>>I'm scared silly to even attempt the first. Then
>> >>>>again, maybe I
>should just bite
>> >>>>the bullet and do it ... while Linksys still
>> >>>>offers free tech

support.
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>> >>>>definitely go with Linksys merchandise, the
>> >>>>customer service is

worth
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>> >>>>penny.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Joyce
>> >>>>
>> >>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:10:56 -0800, Fred

<[email hidden]>
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>> >>>>>Well, [censored] about a submerged treadmill
>> >>>>>probably was worth

some
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>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Yes, crossing fingers, Linksys gets my vote. I
>> >>>>>have also

called a
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>> >>>>>times. And probably will again as I have
>> >>>>>another wireless to

hookup
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>> >>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:37:36 -0600, Joyce
>> >>>>><[email hidden]>

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>> >>>>>>I usually avoid tech support as much as I can,
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>> >>>>>>can not be

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>> >>>>>>around me. Cable modems, yes ... dsl, no.
>> >>>>>>Don't know why and

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>> >>>>>>a grocer? Or a

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>> >>>>>>thing ya know, we'll be paying for those
>> >>>>>>services as well. I

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>> >>>>>>salaries are already covered in the inflated
>> >>>>>>merchandise

prices
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>> >>>>>>another way to nick the consumer. <sigh>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>No treadmill for the past 2 days. Hub decided
>> >>>>>>to unload all

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[censored]
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>loud and long
>> >>>>>>today ... bike is now put together and
>> >>>>>>treadmill is once again
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>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Joyce
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:29:59 -0800, Fred

<[email hidden]>
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>> >>>>>>>Sorry you had the usual response from support
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>> >>>>>>>linksys to end

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IMMEDIATELY.
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>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Breathe deeply and hit the treadmill - oh, I
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>> >>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:59:38 -0600, Joyce
>> >>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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>> >>>>>>>>I would first have to subscribe to their home-
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to
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>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>Joyce
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:07 -0800, Fred
><[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG - re: using the wireless
>> >>>>>>>>>adapter more.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:12 -0600, Joyce
>> >>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:38:06 -0800, Fred
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>Well, then I guess I should get points
>> >>>>>>>>>>>for laundry and

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>> >>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:40:01 -0600, Joyce
>> >>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>I don't take those laundry points
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>either, nor the

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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>laundry is not the exercise option for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>me. <G>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:32:46 -0600,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>"Miss Violette"
><[email hidden]>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>As far as the laundry goes, since I do
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>the majority of

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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>who thinks she and Joyce are related
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Fred <[email hidden]> wrote
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>in message news:18nm30d1a1omsnsoe3r637-
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>[email hidden]...
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more mudslides - too bad (G)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll move stuff up here. Activity
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> points are

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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and practical
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep on doing what works and keep
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> questioning how and

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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to just keep the mind fresh (G)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:46:06 -0600,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joyce

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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:50:10 -0800,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Fred
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:40:11 -0600,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Joyce

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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:09:51 -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>0800, Fred
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>You may be right. Too little
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>main course might

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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>I have a feeling you may be
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Well, since I read down below, I
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>the scale this
>morning. I need a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>down week again! Oh, still under
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>goal.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Up a teeny bit this morning, which I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >expected -

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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >now gone, out, been removed from the
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Probably be another year before I
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>I may experiment a bit. I think
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Well, that's the ol' set point
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>better snacks than years past.
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Hmmmmm, not sure what to tell you
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>sometimes a little
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>times when I am

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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>sense to me as I was
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>we ate all AP's

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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>says I've earned ... could that
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>clear on converting
>points to calories
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>and activity points/exercise is
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>at limiting the
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I had my own

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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I'm going on information passed
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>*thinking* makes any
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>sense at
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >all, or has any truth behind it ...
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >or if I'm just
>outthinking myself
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>once again.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >My cynical mind has me thinking that
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>difference between
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >and activity points is probably
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >because most people

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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >cruising the
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >chore to me. <g> So by giving double
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >credit (so to

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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>minutes on
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the treadmill. I do think that drive
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >to succeed is

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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >itself has definitely changed.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I'm confused again. <G>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Same here.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just another constant in my life.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I'm used to it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Joyce
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>

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8 March 2004, 02:58 UTC #133

I love them, but I am terribly afraid of them, too good to have around, Lee
Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
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But see, I DO need that chocolate cake - my freezer is
crying for it. <G>

I'm
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letting the freezer cry. I know me, it would not ever make
it to the

freezer -
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and I have to recover from the pizza first. Well, guess I
have to kill

off the
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pizza before I can recover from it. <g>
And yes, those brownie bites are purely evil. Hub
picked up the

container, put it
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down, picked it up, put it down. Then tried to convince me
that he was

really
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only thinking of purchasing them for me. I told him if
they came home I

would
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personally force feed every damn one to him .. in one
evening. They

stayed on
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that very visible table (probably the same place they are
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Plain, regular, cheap pizza never was brought in
regularly, guess we only

had it
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once every few months. But GOOD pizza (by my standards) is
another story.

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a safe item before we were able to get it locally. Lou
Malnati's on rare occassions, as there wasn't one nearby.
Having a similar type restaurant

within a
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few miles is dangerous. <g> I did tell hub though, that
next time we are

ordering
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much less ... just too much leftover this trip, no one
came home to help

eat it as
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usual. You were from the original pizza era? Oh boy, I
won't make any

age
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related jokes here. <G> I do remember those thin crust
greasy pizzas,

funny how I
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loved them when I was a kid, funnier how I can't handle
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I think
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it might be true though. Only chicagoans truly love the
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pizzas.
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Joyce
On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 07:09:48 -0800, Fred
<[email hidden]>

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Pushing TUNA is just fine. I like the stuff and it is
healthy.
I saw the chocolate cake but I still have some frozen so
do not NEED IT YET (G)
I saw the brownie bites as I quickly turned an aisle
corner. They are set very visibly on the aisle end. No, I
just know that those are dangerous in size and
munchiness. I don't think I could eat just one. The
chocolate cake is just a reward and it is cake and gets
eaten from a plate with a fork. Brownie bites - just pop
one in and swallow, pop in another and swallow, pop in
yet a third and ...... You get the idea. Much more
dangerous than Mango (G)
I like pizza but it was never an "often" item anyway.
More when I was in Junior HS (G) when it was first
introduced and was 0.10 cents a slice with free coke!!!
It was a staple back then. I still remember the real
olive oil running down the forearm and dripping off the
elbow......
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Alright!!!!! Today I'm pushing the costco Tuna -
shouldn't do you in

too badly.
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<G> I did look at the chocolate cake once again, and
brownie bites ...

they
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stayed in the store. And checked for the skinny cow
larger pack ...

nope, nothing
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... only healthy choice in the icecream section.
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through ww. It's

nice to know
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that it can be done. I suppose what I get is somewhat
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cornmeal
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crust - not a tough, doughy type. Still, much better
choices out

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far as pizza goes, this is my favorite.
Joyce
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:57:57 -0800, Fred
<[email hidden]>

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>Okay, today you can push food (G)
>
>Ski trip was work. But ultimately fun after I
>stopped (g)
>
>Have not had pizza in a long while. The last time may
>have been last April in Moab, Utah (G)
>
>On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 12:25:47 -0600, Joyce
><[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Ok, ok, no pushing food ... today anyway. I haven't
>>had anything new

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>>interesting to push, and probably best if I didn't
>>push the spinach

pizza we had
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>>for dinner last night (although I'd like to, have half
>>of the dang

thing in the
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>>fridge still). It was good though. <G>
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:59:59 -0800, Fred
>><[email hidden]>

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>>>Hey, you are not allowed to push food! (G) High tech
>>>toys are entirely different (G)
>>>
>>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 01:25:58 -0600, Joyce
>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Arggggggh! you are really trying hard to talk me
>>>>into that wirless,

aren't you?
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>>>>At least I push you to the cheaper things (bulk
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Although ... less
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>>>>calories in a wireless adapter.
>>>>
>>>>Joyce
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:47:50 -0800, Fred
>>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>>I will not discuss weight at the moment (which
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this
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>>>>>day off to hit the downhill slopes on cross-country
>>>>>gear. At least that is the email I just sent my
>>>>>secretary (G)
>>>>>
>>>>>Wireless is really neat. Yesterday, a few times I
>>>>>opened the

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>>>>>downstairs and just surfed the web and checked some
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>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:09:19 -0600, Joyce
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>>>>>>Evidentally, weight dropped way down today, right
>>>>>>back to where it

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for being out of
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habit of that
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>>>>>>for me. Just

finish up and
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>>>>>>have to move right into dinner prep - while he
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<G>
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>>>>>>I'm totally jealous of your wireless connection,
>>>>>>and moving into a

second one.
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>>>>>>again, maybe I

should just bite
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>>>>>>the bullet and do it ... while Linksys still
>>>>>>offers free tech

support. <G> I will
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>>>>>>definitely go with Linksys merchandise, the
>>>>>>customer service is

worth every extra
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>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:10:56 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>Well, [censored] about a submerged treadmill
>>>>>>>probably was worth

some
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, crossing fingers, Linksys gets my vote. I
>>>>>>>have also called

a few
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>>>>>>>times. And probably will again as I have another
>>>>>>>wireless to

hookup
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>>>>>>>(G)
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>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:37:36 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I usually avoid tech support as much as I can,
>>>>>>>>didn't have a

choice with the modem
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>>>>>>>>issue as from what I've discovered dsl modems
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purchased from any stores
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>>>>>>>>around me. Cable modems, yes ... dsl, no. Don't
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no one seems to be
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both times they have
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>>>>>>>>been extremely helpful and courteous (maybe I've
>>>>>>>>just been

lucky?). I've noticed
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>>>>>>>>the same thing with support going to charging,
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when I stopped
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>>>>>>>>calling. Paying for help with a product is one
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>>>>>>>>No treadmill for the past 2 days. Hub decided to
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[censored] loud and long
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>>>>>>>>Joyce
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>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:29:59 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>>>Sorry you had the usual response from support
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>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:59:38 -0600, Joyce
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>>>>>>>>>>After the day I had today, trying to get
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>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:07 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>>>>>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG - re: using the wireless
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>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:12 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
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>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:38:06 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:32:46 -0600, "Miss
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<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more mudslides - too bad (G)
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why on some days
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:46:06 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joyce

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:40:11 -0600,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Same here.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just another constant in my life. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >used to it.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Joyce
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Archived post

8 March 2004, 04:19 UTC #134

Pretzel Sticks and scones will put fat on bones But words
will never harm you! (g)
Miss Violette said:
I'll have you know I think I gained reading this post, Lee
drooling... Fred <[email hidden]> wrote in
message "]news:[email hidden]...
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Pushing TUNA is just fine. I like the stuff and it is
healthy.
I saw the chocolate cake but I still have some frozen so
do not NEED IT YET (G)
I saw the brownie bites as I quickly turned an aisle
corner. They are set very visibly on the aisle end. No, I
just know that those are dangerous in size and
munchiness. I don't think I could eat just one. The
chocolate cake is just a reward and it is cake and gets
eaten from a plate with a fork. Brownie bites - just pop
one in and swallow, pop in another and swallow, pop in
yet a third and ...... You get the idea. Much more
dangerous than Mango (G)
I like pizza but it was never an "often" item anyway.
More when I was in Junior HS (G) when it was first
introduced and was 0.10 cents a slice with free coke!!!
It was a staple back then. I still remember the real
olive oil running down the forearm and dripping off the
elbow......
Joyce said:
Alright!!!!! Today I'm pushing the costco Tuna -
shouldn't do you in too

badly.
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<G> I did look at the chocolate cake once again, and
brownie bites ...

they
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stayed in the store. And checked for the skinny cow
larger pack ...

nope, nothing
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... only healthy choice in the icecream section.
Pizza is a staple in this house, had it all the way
through ww. It's

nice to know
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that it can be done. I suppose what I get is somewhat
lower in points, considering it has no meat, only
spinach. And the crust is more of a

cornmeal
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crust - not a tough, doughy type. Still, much better
choices out there -

but as
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far as pizza goes, this is my favorite.
Joyce
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:57:57 -0800, Fred
<[email hidden]>

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>Okay, today you can push food (G)
>
>Ski trip was work. But ultimately fun after I
>stopped (g)
>
>Have not had pizza in a long while. The last time may
>have been last April in Moab, Utah (G)
>
>On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 12:25:47 -0600, Joyce
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>>Ok, ok, no pushing food ... today anyway. I haven't
>>had anything new

and
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>>interesting to push, and probably best if I didn't
>>push the spinach

pizza we had
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thing in the
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>>Joyce
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>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:59:59 -0800, Fred
>><[email hidden]>

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>>>Hey, you are not allowed to push food! (G) High tech
>>>toys are entirely different (G)
>>>
>>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 01:25:58 -0600, Joyce
>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Arggggggh! you are really trying hard to talk me
>>>>into that wirless,

aren't you?
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>>>>At least I push you to the cheaper things (bulk
>>>>icecream). <G>

Although ... less
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>>>>Joyce
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:47:50 -0800, Fred
>>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>>I will not discuss weight at the moment (which
>>>>>appears up again this morning)
>>>>>
>>>>>Good for getting in all that exercise. I believe
>>>>>that I am taking

the
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>>>>>day off to hit the downhill slopes on cross-country
>>>>>gear. At least that is the email I just sent my
>>>>>secretary (G)
>>>>>
>>>>>Wireless is really neat. Yesterday, a few times I
>>>>>opened the laptop downstairs and just surfed the
>>>>>web and checked some stuff out. Also moved a file
>>>>>or two between computers.
>>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:09:19 -0600, Joyce
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>>>>>>Evidentally, weight dropped way down today, right
>>>>>>back to where it

should be. I
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for being out of
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habit of that
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<G>
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>>>>>>I'm totally jealous of your wireless connection,
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>>>>>>offers free tech

support. <G> I will
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>>>>>>definitely go with Linksys merchandise, the
>>>>>>customer service is

worth every extra
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>>>>>>Joyce
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>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:10:56 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>Well, [censored] about a submerged treadmill
>>>>>>>probably was worth some points anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, crossing fingers, Linksys gets my vote. I
>>>>>>>have also called a

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>>>>>>>>I usually avoid tech support as much as I can,
>>>>>>>>didn't have a

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>>>>>>>>No treadmill for the past 2 days. Hub decided to
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[censored] loud and long
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>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:29:59 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>>>Sorry you had the usual response from support
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>>>>>>>>>linksys to end

their
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>>>>>>>>>fees IMMEDIATELY. There use to be free tech,
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>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:59:38 -0600, Joyce
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>>>>>>>>>>After the day I had today, trying to get
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new modem, the
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WRONG! Earthlink
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push the magic switch
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>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
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>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:07 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>>>>>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG - re: using the wireless
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:12 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL! Guess I could say the same where the
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have used the
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>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
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>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:38:06 -0800, Fred

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dusting and
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finds
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:40:01 -0600, Joyce
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>><G>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:32:46 -0600, "Miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Violette"

<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As far as the laundry goes, since I do
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the points, Lee,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>message news:18nm30d1a1omsnsoe3r6374al7g-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more mudslides - too bad (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll move stuff up here. Activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points are definitely

a oddball
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they are
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that the point
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even if you eat
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very active in
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earning as many
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less fuel to
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we know that it
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new tweaks
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep on doing what works and keep
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why on some days
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:46:06 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joyce

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:50:10 -0800,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Fred

<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:40:11 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Joyce

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:09:51 -0800,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Fred

<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>You may be right. Too little main
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lead to even more
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weight. And maybe
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>leader who shall

remain nameless has
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>probably need more

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use to gather
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>I have a feeling you may be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>finding or accepting

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stay in place
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>good job of just

wobbling in place
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Up a teeny bit this morning, which I
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exertion than 30
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I'm confused again. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Same here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just another constant in my life. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >used to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Miss Violette
Archived post

8 March 2004, 06:03 UTC #135

I used to tell people when I could see I could gain weight looking in a WW
magazine, Lee
Fred <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
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Pretzel Sticks and scones will put fat on bones But words
will never harm you! (g)
Miss Violette said:
I'll have you know I think I gained reading this post,
Lee drooling... Fred <[email hidden]> wrote in
message
"]news:[email hidden]...
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Pushing TUNA is just fine. I like the stuff and it is
healthy.
I saw the chocolate cake but I still have some frozen
so do not NEED IT YET (G)
I saw the brownie bites as I quickly turned an aisle
corner. They are set very visibly on the aisle end. No,
I just know that those are dangerous in size and
munchiness. I don't think I could eat just one. The
chocolate cake is just a reward and it is cake and gets
eaten from a plate with a fork. Brownie bites - just
pop one in and swallow, pop in another and swallow, pop
in yet a third and ...... You get the idea. Much more
dangerous than Mango (G)
I like pizza but it was never an "often" item anyway.
More when I was in Junior HS (G) when it was first
introduced and was 0.10 cents a slice with free coke!!!
It was a staple back then. I still remember the real
olive oil running down the forearm and dripping off the
elbow......
On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 03:08:30 -0600, Joyce
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>Alright!!!!! Today I'm pushing the costco Tuna -
>shouldn't do you in

too
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badly.
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><G> I did look at the chocolate cake once again, and
> brownie bites

...
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>stayed in the store. And checked for the skinny cow
>larger pack ...

nope, nothing
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>... only healthy choice in the icecream section.
>
>Pizza is a staple in this house, had it all the way
>through ww. It's

nice to know
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>that it can be done. I suppose what I get is somewhat
>lower in

points,
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>considering it has no meat, only spinach. And the
>crust is more of a

cornmeal
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>crust - not a tough, doughy type. Still, much better
>choices out

there -
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>
>Joyce
>
>On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:57:57 -0800, Fred
><[email hidden]>

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>>Okay, today you can push food (G)
>>
>>Ski trip was work. But ultimately fun after I stopped
>>(g)
>>
>>Have not had pizza in a long while. The last time may
>>have been last April in Moab, Utah (G)
>>
>>On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 12:25:47 -0600, Joyce
>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>Ok, ok, no pushing food ... today anyway. I haven't
>>>had anything

new
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>>>push the spinach

pizza we had
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>>>for dinner last night (although I'd like to, have
>>>half of the dang

thing in the
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>>>fridge still). It was good though. <G>
>>>
>>>Joyce
>>>
>>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:59:59 -0800, Fred
>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>Hey, you are not allowed to push food! (G) High
>>>>tech toys are entirely different (G)
>>>>
>>>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 01:25:58 -0600, Joyce
>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Arggggggh! you are really trying hard to talk me
>>>>>into that

wirless,
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>>>>>At least I push you to the cheaper things (bulk
>>>>>icecream). <G>

Although ... less
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>>>>>
>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:47:50 -0800, Fred

<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>I will not discuss weight at the moment (which
>>>>>>appears up again

this
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>Good for getting in all that exercise. I believe
>>>>>>that I am

taking
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least
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>>>>>>that is the email I just sent my secretary (G)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wireless is really neat. Yesterday, a few times I
>>>>>>opened the

laptop
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>>>>>>some stuff out.

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>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:09:19 -0600, Joyce
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>>>>>>>Evidentally, weight dropped way down today,
>>>>>>>right back to where

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for being out of
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>>>>>>>I'm going to make

a
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habit of that
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>>>>>>>tough for me. Just

finish up and
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>>>>>>>rests quietly on

his
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>>>>>>>those calories.

<G>
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>>>>>>>I'm totally jealous of your wireless connection,
>>>>>>>and moving into

a
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>>>>>>>again, maybe I

should just bite
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>>>>>>>offers free tech

support. <G> I will
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>>>>>>>definitely go with Linksys merchandise, the
>>>>>>>customer service is

worth every extra
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:10:56 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>>Well, [censored] about a submerged treadmill
>>>>>>>>probably was worth

some
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, crossing fingers, Linksys gets my vote. I
>>>>>>>>have also

called a
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>>>>>>>>another wireless to

hookup
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>>>>>>>>(G)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:37:36 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>>>>>>I usually avoid tech support as much as I can,
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choice with the modem
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>>>>>>>>>can not be

purchased from any stores
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>>>>>>>>>around me. Cable modems, yes ... dsl, no.
>>>>>>>>>Don't know why and

no
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both times they have
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>>>>>>>>>I've just been

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>>>>>>>>>might have been

when I stopped
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>>>>>>>>>visiting a customer

service desk in a
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>>>>>>>>>a grocer? Or a

bank teller? next
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>>>>>>>>>services as well. I

figure that these
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>>>>>>>>>merchandise

prices
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No treadmill for the past 2 days. Hub decided
>>>>>>>>>to unload all

the
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[censored] loud and long
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>>>>>>>>>treadmill is once again

usable. MEN! <g>
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>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:29:59 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>>>>Sorry you had the usual response from support
>>>>>>>>>>people but

managed
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>>>>>>>>>>get going eventually. I am still waiting for
>>>>>>>>>>linksys to end

their
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IMMEDIATELY.
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stuff has
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>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:59:38 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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new modem, the
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push the magic switch
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>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:07 -0800, Fred

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>>>>>>>>>>>>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG - re: using the wireless
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>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:12 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:38:06 -0800, Fred

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finds
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:40:01 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:32:46 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Miss Violette"

<[email hidden]>
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have lost as well as
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eat
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fred <[email hidden]> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in message news:18nm30d1a1omsnsoe3r637-
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more mudslides - too bad (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll move stuff up here. Activity
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definitely
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correct -
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that the point
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very active in
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earning as many
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pounds
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stuff -
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new tweaks
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep on doing what works and keep
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why on some days
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:46:06 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joyce

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:50:10 -0800,
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<[email hidden]>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:40:11 -0600,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:09:51 -
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<[email hidden]>
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lead to even more
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this
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shall
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MAINTENANCE.
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belong.
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up
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the
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sending signals to
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myself and everyone
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lightheaded or just not
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into
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ride, that breakfast
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maintain ... by still
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ourselves in by not
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later? Did I convey
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splurged
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600
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everyday, and only
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hungry
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less clear but you
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might
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tell
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the
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weekend
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snacking back then
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FAT
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to
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just another constant in my life.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I'm used to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Joyce
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I meant itilano noodles
Miss Violette <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
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We ended up eating it with asparagus, noodles itialano SP?
and the pie, an entire TJ meal,... I will purchase
again...will purchase again... will..

Lee
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Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
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It does sound good, I'll take a look at it next trip in.
Thanks for the

info.
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See? Even now YOU are pushing Trader Joe's products. It
doesn't take

long, does
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it? <grin>
Joyce
On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 03:43:11 -0600, "Miss Violette"

<[email hidden]>
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It is a pi deal, philo dough, spinach and cheese in
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bottom
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crust. We used it as the main entree, but you could
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use as a side. It reminded me of those little spinach
turnovers from a Greek restaurant but with a little
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tomorrow
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think we will have it with cauliflower and buttered
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Lee
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> What is this? Is it like a lasagna ... or a pot pie?
> I'm never sure

how
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> like this will swing past the rest of the family. I'd
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>
> Joyce
>
> On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 00:05:25 -0600, "Miss Violette"
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> >Try the Mediterranean spinach pie from Trader Joe's
> >for something

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> >was tonight's dinner, really good, Lee Joyce
> ><[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >"]news:[email hidden]...
> >> Ok, ok, no pushing food ... today anyway. I
> >> haven't had anything

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> >> interesting to push, and probably best if I didn't
> >> push the

spinach
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> >we had
> >> for dinner last night (although I'd like to, have
> >> half of the dang
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> >in the
> >> fridge still). It was good though. <G>
> >>
> >> Joyce
> >>
> >> On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:59:59 -0800, Fred

<[email hidden]>
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> >wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hey, you are not allowed to push food! (G) High
> >> >tech toys are entirely different (G)
> >> >
> >> >On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 01:25:58 -0600, Joyce
> >> ><[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Arggggggh! you are really trying hard to talk me
> >> >>into that

wirless,
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> >> >>At least I push you to the cheaper things (bulk
> >> >>icecream). <G>
Although
> >... less
> >> >>calories in a wireless adapter.
> >> >>
> >> >>Joyce
> >> >>
> >> >>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:47:50 -0800, Fred

<[email hidden]>
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> >> >>
> >> >>>I will not discuss weight at the moment (which
> >> >>>appears up again

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> >> >>>
> >> >>>Good for getting in all that exercise. I
> >> >>>believe that I am

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> >> >>>day off to hit the downhill slopes on cross-
> >> >>>country gear. At

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> >> >>>
> >> >>>Wireless is really neat. Yesterday, a few times
> >> >>>I opened the

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> >> >>>some stuff out.

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> >> >>>
> >> >>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:09:19 -0600, Joyce
> >> >>><[email hidden]>

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> >> >>>>Evidentally, weight dropped way down today,
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> >> >>>>did get in two treadmill sessions today
> >> >>>>though, so made up a

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> >being out of
> >> >>>>commission for the past few days. Don't think
> >> >>>>I'm going to

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> >> >>>>though. The time hub chooses to exercise is
> >> >>>>tough for me.

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> >> >>>>burning those

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> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>I'm totally jealous of your wireless
> >> >>>>connection, and moving

into
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> >> >>>>I'm scared silly to even attempt the first.
> >> >>>>Then again, maybe

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> >> >>>>the bullet and do it ... while Linksys still
> >> >>>>offers free tech
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> ><G> I will
> >> >>>>definitely go with Linksys merchandise, the
> >> >>>>customer service

is
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worth
> >every extra
> >> >>>>penny.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Joyce
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:10:56 -0800, Fred
<[email hidden]>
> >wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>Well, [censored] about a submerged treadmill
> >> >>>>>probably was worth

some
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> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Yes, crossing fingers, Linksys gets my vote.
> >> >>>>>I have also

called a
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> >> >>>>>times. And probably will again as I have
> >> >>>>>another wireless to
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> >> >>>>>(G)
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:37:36 -0600, Joyce
> >> >>>>><[email hidden]>

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> >> >>>>>>I usually avoid tech support as much as I
> >> >>>>>>can, didn't have a
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> >with the modem
> >> >>>>>>issue as from what I've discovered dsl
> >> >>>>>>modems can not be
purchased
> >from any stores
> >> >>>>>>around me. Cable modems, yes ... dsl, no.
> >> >>>>>>Don't know why

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> >> >>>>>>able to give me an answer. I've contacted
> >> >>>>>>Linksys twice

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> >times they have
> >> >>>>>>been extremely helpful and courteous (maybe
> >> >>>>>>I've just been
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> >I've noticed
> >> >>>>>>the same thing with support going to
> >> >>>>>>charging, might have

been
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> >> >>>>>>one of those

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> >> >>>>>>irritates me. Is it any different than
> >> >>>>>>visiting a customer
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> >desk in a
> >> >>>>>>retail store? Or a cashier checking me out
> >> >>>>>>at a grocer? Or

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> >teller? next
> >> >>>>>>thing ya know, we'll be paying for those
> >> >>>>>>services as well.

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> >> >>>>>>salaries are already covered in the inflated
> >> >>>>>>merchandise

prices
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> >now it's just
> >> >>>>>>another way to nick the consumer. <sigh>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>No treadmill for the past 2 days. Hub
> >> >>>>>>decided to unload all

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> >> >>>>>>commission. I
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> >loud and long
> >> >>>>>>today ... bike is now put together and
> >> >>>>>>treadmill is once

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> >usable. MEN! <g>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>Joyce
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:29:59 -0800, Fred
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> >wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>Sorry you had the usual response from
> >> >>>>>>>support people but

managed
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> >> >>>>>>>for linksys to

end
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their
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> >> >>>>>>>charge fees

IMMEDIATELY.
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> >> >>>>>>>free tech. Now

there
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> >> >>>>>>>tech. I guess it was to be expected since
> >> >>>>>>>some much of this
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> >has
> >> >>>>>>>substantially dropped in price.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>Breathe deeply and hit the treadmill - oh,
> >> >>>>>>>I don't mean

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> >> >>>>>>>fist!
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:59:38 -0600, Joyce
> >> >>>>>>><[email hidden]>

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> >> >>>>>>>>After the day I had today, trying to get
> >> >>>>>>>>router to work

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> >modem, the
> >> >>>>>>>>wireless option is going to go on a back
> >> >>>>>>>>burner for a bit.

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> >> >>>>>>>>more frustration. <G> Silly me thought all
> >> >>>>>>>>I would have

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> >> >>>>>>>>cords into the new modem and all would
> >> >>>>>>>>once again be well.
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> >Earthlink
> >> >>>>>>>>switched brands of modems, would give me
> >> >>>>>>>>absolutely no

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> >> >>>>>>>>I would first have to subscribe to their
> >> >>>>>>>>home-networking
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> >I was not kind,
> >> >>>>>>>>patience worn thin after 2.5 hours of
> >> >>>>>>>>playing around. I
finally
> >screamed at the
> >> >>>>>>>>guy, *can you tell me that if I pay your
> >> >>>>>>>>silly fee you

will
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> >> >>>>>>>>to make my modem communicate with my
> >> >>>>>>>>router?* Only to be

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> >> >>>>>>>>service could give me all the details. I
> >> >>>>>>>>have a feeling

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> >> >>>>>>>>not covered in their manual.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>So on a whim I called Linksys, spoke to a
> >> >>>>>>>>wonderfully kind
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> >man who had me up
> >> >>>>>>>>and running in a few minutes. Seems that
> >> >>>>>>>>for some reason

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> >> >>>>>>>>course I kept

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> >> >>>>>>>>him and I guess that's all that matters.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>Joyce
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:07 -0800, Fred
> ><[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG - re: using the wireless
> >> >>>>>>>>>adapter more.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:12 -0600, Joyce
> >> >>>>>>>>><[email hidden]>
wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>LOL! Guess I could say the same where
> >> >>>>>>>>>>the dusting and
vacuuming
> >are concerned,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>although laundry is constantly going. I
> >> >>>>>>>>>>ordered a new

vacuum
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>idea why - probably won't use the thing
> >> >>>>>>>>>>very often. I

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> >> >>>>>>>>>>wireless router more. <G>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>Joyce
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:38:06 -0800, Fred
> ><[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>Well, then I guess I should get points
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>for laundry and
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> >and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>vacuuming since I do them so
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>infrequently my body

definitely
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> >finds
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>them foreign exercise!!!!! (G)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:40:01 -0600,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>Joyce

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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>I don't take those laundry points
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>either, nor the
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> >dusting - general
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>stuff that I do easily or routinely.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>If I'm spending

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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>activity, then I may rethink things. I
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>just no how my
brain
> >works, and the *old*
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>me would have seen that indicator from
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>ww saying that
laundry
> >was great exercise,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>and it would have been one more excuse
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>not to do

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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>spent the majority of my life doing
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>laundry ... and

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> >weight ... I figure
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>laundry is not the exercise option for
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>me. <G>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:32:46 -0600,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>"Miss Violette"
> ><[email hidden]>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>As far as the laundry goes, since I
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>do the majority

of
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>for me, I only

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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>formal exercise.

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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>during laundry

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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>along with the
> >discrepancy in points
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>eaten Vs calories used is part of the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>mystery of WW

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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>so we actually,
> >eventually adapt to the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>activity so we must at least change
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>or add in order

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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>who thinks she and Joyce are related
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Fred <[email hidden]>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote in message news:18nm30d1a1omsn-
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>[email hidden]...
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more mudslides - too bad (G)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll move stuff up here. Activity
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> points are

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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are

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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> help weightloss

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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you gain

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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my hiking/etc, it is much easier
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> now and I am not
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> points but I seem to be hungrier.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I have 60

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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess this

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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> works pretty well and they do
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> >tweaks
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (probably both for commercial
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons and practical
> >reasons.)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep on doing what works and keep
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> questioning how

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> >on some days
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to just keep the mind fresh (G)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:46:06 -0600,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joyce
<[email hidden]>
> >wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:50:10 -
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >0800, Fred
> ><[email hidden]>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:40:11 -
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>0600, Joyce
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> >wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:09:51 -
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>0800, Fred
> ><[email hidden]>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>You may be right. Too little
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>main course

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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>want to hold at

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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>just need to cater to it. A
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>WW leader who

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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>suggested that my weekend's
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>probably need

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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>not still burning off the self-
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>storage points

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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>I have a feeling you may be
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >itself has definitely changed.
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I'm confused again. <G>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Same here.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just another constant in my life.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I'm used to it.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Joyce
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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8 March 2004, 08:03 UTC #137

I believe Uno's is the original. Due was opened on the
opposite street corner, as they (Uno's) had no room to
expand. Gino's followed many years later, started by two
taxi drivers. Lou Malnati's was next, and I believe this
restaurant was started by the chef from Uno's (or son of the
chef - can't remember exactly). Emeril just did a show on
this a few months ago, was very interesting (at least to
me). All three restaurants are still going strong and have
expanded to the suburbs. I have an Uno's about a mile
east of me. Gino's is about 2 miles west. Malnati's is
maybe 5 miles southwest ... in the old
firehouse/policestation where I had many firehouse
dinners in my youth. <grin> I love going there, the
firepole is still in place.
Joyce
Fred said:
Yeah, I recall Chicago Pizza - Uno or Du'e's or some
such..... (G)
Joyce said:
But see, I DO need that chocolate cake - my freezer is
crying for it. <G> I'm letting the freezer cry. I know me,
it would not ever make it to the freezer - and I have to
recover from the pizza first. Well, guess I have to kill
off the pizza before I can recover from it. <g>
And yes, those brownie bites are purely evil. Hub picked
up the container, put it down, picked it up, put it down.
Then tried to convince me that he was really only thinking
of purchasing them for me. I told him if they came home I
would personally force feed every damn one to him .. in
one evening. They stayed on that very visible table
(probably the same place they are residing at your store).
Plain, regular, cheap pizza never was brought in
regularly, guess we only had it once every few months. But
GOOD pizza (by my standards) is another story. It was a
safe item before we were able to get it locally. Lou
Malnati's on rare occassions, as there wasn't one nearby.
Having a similar type restaurant within a few miles is
dangerous. <g> I did tell hub though, that next time we
are ordering much less ... just too much leftover this
trip, no one came home to help eat it as usual. You were
from the original pizza era? Oh boy, I won't make any age
related jokes here. <G> I do remember those thin crust
greasy pizzas, funny how I loved them when I was a kid,
funnier how I can't handle them any longer. I think it
might be true though. Only chicagoans truly love the
chicago deep dish pizzas.
Joyce
Fred said:
Pushing TUNA is just fine. I like the stuff and it is
healthy.
I saw the chocolate cake but I still have some frozen so
do not NEED IT YET (G)
I saw the brownie bites as I quickly turned an aisle
corner. They are set very visibly on the aisle end. No, I
just know that those are dangerous in size and
munchiness. I don't think I could eat just one. The
chocolate cake is just a reward and it is cake and gets
eaten from a plate with a fork. Brownie bites - just pop
one in and swallow, pop in another and swallow, pop in
yet a third and ...... You get the idea. Much more
dangerous than Mango (G)
I like pizza but it was never an "often" item anyway.
More when I was in Junior HS (G) when it was first
introduced and was 0.10 cents a slice with free coke!!!
It was a staple back then. I still remember the real
olive oil running down the forearm and dripping off the
elbow......
On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 03:08:30 -0600, Joyce
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>Alright!!!!! Today I'm pushing the costco Tuna -
>shouldn't do you in too badly.
><G> I did look at the chocolate cake once again, and
> brownie bites ... they stayed in the store. And
> checked for the skinny cow larger pack ... nope,
> nothing ... only healthy choice in the icecream
> section.
>
>Pizza is a staple in this house, had it all the way
>through ww. It's nice to know that it can be done. I
>suppose what I get is somewhat lower in points,
>considering it has no meat, only spinach. And the crust
>is more of a cornmeal crust - not a tough, doughy type.
>Still, much better choices out there - but as far as
>pizza goes, this is my favorite.
>
>Joyce
>
>On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:57:57 -0800, Fred
><[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Okay, today you can push food (G)
>>
>>Ski trip was work. But ultimately fun after I
>>stopped (g)
>>
>>Have not had pizza in a long while. The last time may
>>have been last April in Moab, Utah (G)
>>
>>On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 12:25:47 -0600, Joyce
>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>Ok, ok, no pushing food ... today anyway. I haven't
>>>had anything new and interesting to push, and probably
>>>best if I didn't push the spinach pizza we had for
>>>dinner last night (although I'd like to, have half of
>>>the dang thing in the fridge still). It was good
>>>though. <G>
>>>
>>>Joyce
>>>
>>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:59:59 -0800, Fred
>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hey, you are not allowed to push food! (G) High tech
>>>>toys are entirely different (G)
>>>>
>>>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 01:25:58 -0600, Joyce
>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Arggggggh! you are really trying hard to talk me
>>>>>into that wirless, aren't you? At least I push you
>>>>>to the cheaper things (bulk icecream). <G> Although
>>>>>... less calories in a wireless adapter.
>>>>>
>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:47:50 -0800, Fred
>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I will not discuss weight at the moment (which
>>>>>>appears up again this morning)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Good for getting in all that exercise. I believe
>>>>>>that I am taking the day off to hit the downhill
>>>>>>slopes on cross-country gear. At least that is the
>>>>>>email I just sent my secretary (G)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wireless is really neat. Yesterday, a few times I
>>>>>>opened the laptop downstairs and just surfed the
>>>>>>web and checked some stuff out. Also moved a file
>>>>>>or two between computers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:09:19 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Evidentally, weight dropped way down today, right
>>>>>>>back to where it should be. I did get in two
>>>>>>>treadmill sessions today though, so made up a bit
>>>>>>>for being out of commission for the past few days.
>>>>>>>Don't think I'm going to make a habit of that
>>>>>>>though. The time hub chooses to exercise is tough
>>>>>>>for me. Just finish up and have to move right into
>>>>>>>dinner prep - while he rests quietly on his chair.
>>>>>>>Guess I shouldn't complain, I'm probably still
>>>>>>>burning those calories. <G>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm totally jealous of your wireless connection,
>>>>>>>and moving into a second one. I'm scared silly to
>>>>>>>even attempt the first. Then again, maybe I should
>>>>>>>just bite the bullet and do it ... while Linksys
>>>>>>>still offers free tech support. <G> I will
>>>>>>>definitely go with Linksys merchandise, the
>>>>>>>customer service is worth every extra penny.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:10:56 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well, [censored] about a submerged treadmill
>>>>>>>>probably was worth some points anyway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, crossing fingers, Linksys gets my vote. I
>>>>>>>>have also called a few times. And probably will
>>>>>>>>again as I have another wireless to hookup
>>>>>>>>(G)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:37:36 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I usually avoid tech support as much as I can,
>>>>>>>>>didn't have a choice with the modem issue as
>>>>>>>>>from what I've discovered dsl modems can not be
>>>>>>>>>purchased from any stores around me. Cable
>>>>>>>>>modems, yes ... dsl, no. Don't know why and no
>>>>>>>>>one seems to be able to give me an answer. I've
>>>>>>>>>contacted Linksys twice now, both times they
>>>>>>>>>have been extremely helpful and courteous (maybe
>>>>>>>>>I've just been lucky?). I've noticed the same
>>>>>>>>>thing with support going to charging, might have
>>>>>>>>>been when I stopped calling. Paying for help
>>>>>>>>>with a product is one of those things that
>>>>>>>>>really irritates me. Is it any different than
>>>>>>>>>visiting a customer service desk in a retail
>>>>>>>>>store? Or a cashier checking me out at a grocer?
>>>>>>>>>Or a bank teller? next thing ya know, we'll be
>>>>>>>>>paying for those services as well. I figure that
>>>>>>>>>these salaries are already covered in the
>>>>>>>>>inflated merchandise prices ... now it's just
>>>>>>>>>another way to nick the consumer. <sigh>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No treadmill for the past 2 days. Hub decided to
>>>>>>>>>unload all the bike parts on TOP of the
>>>>>>>>>treadmill ... thus putting me out of commission.
>>>>>>>>>I [censored] loud and long today ... bike is now
>>>>>>>>>put together and treadmill is once again usable.
>>>>>>>>>MEN! <g>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:29:59 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Sorry you had the usual response from support
>>>>>>>>>>people but managed to get going eventually. I
>>>>>>>>>>am still waiting for linksys to end their
>>>>>>>>>>pretty universal coverage - so many now charge
>>>>>>>>>>fees IMMEDIATELY. There use to be free tech,
>>>>>>>>>>then 90 days free tech. Now there is NO tech. I
>>>>>>>>>>guess it was to be expected since some much of
>>>>>>>>>>this stuff has substantially dropped in price.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Breathe deeply and hit the treadmill - oh, I
>>>>>>>>>>don't mean with your fist!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:59:38 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>After the day I had today, trying to get
>>>>>>>>>>>router to work with new modem, the wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>option is going to go on a back burner for a
>>>>>>>>>>>bit. I am not up to any more frustration. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>Silly me thought all I would have to do was
>>>>>>>>>>>plug the old cords into the new modem and all
>>>>>>>>>>>would once again be well. WRONG! Earthlink
>>>>>>>>>>>switched brands of modems, would give me
>>>>>>>>>>>absolutely no tech support - only told me I
>>>>>>>>>>>would first have to subscribe to their home-
>>>>>>>>>>>networking service. I was not kind, patience
>>>>>>>>>>>worn thin after 2.5 hours of playing around. I
>>>>>>>>>>>finally screamed at the guy, *can you tell me
>>>>>>>>>>>that if I pay your silly fee you will push the
>>>>>>>>>>>magic switch to make my modem communicate with
>>>>>>>>>>>my router?* Only to be told that customer
>>>>>>>>>>>service could give me all the details. I have
>>>>>>>>>>>a feeling that my questions were not covered
>>>>>>>>>>>in their manual.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>So on a whim I called Linksys, spoke to a
>>>>>>>>>>>wonderfully kind young man who had me up and
>>>>>>>>>>>running in a few minutes. Seems that for some
>>>>>>>>>>>reason the router ran on wrong settings with
>>>>>>>>>>>the last modem - and of course I kept
>>>>>>>>>>>switching to those wrong settings when trying
>>>>>>>>>>>to get this one going. Makes no sense to me,
>>>>>>>>>>>but it did to him and I guess that's all that
>>>>>>>>>>>matters.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:07 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG - re: using the wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>>adapter more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:12 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL! Guess I could say the same where the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>dusting and vacuuming are concerned,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>although laundry is constantly going. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>ordered a new vacuum yesterday, have no idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>why - probably won't use the thing very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>often. I would have used the wireless router
>>>>>>>>>>>>>more. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:38:06 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, then I guess I should get points for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry and dusting and vacuuming since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>do them so infrequently my body definitely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>finds them foreign exercise!!!!! (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:40:01 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't take those laundry points either,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nor the vacuuming, dusting - general stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that I do easily or routinely. If I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>spending the entire day on one activity,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>then I may rethink things. I just no how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>my brain works, and the *old* me would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have seen that indicator from ww saying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that laundry was great exercise, and it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>would have been one more excuse not to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything else. And since I've spent the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>majority of my life doing laundry ... and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not losing weight ... I figure laundry is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not the exercise option for me. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:32:46 -0600, "Miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As far as the laundry goes, since I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the majority of it I do not take the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>points as it is a regular activity for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>me, I only take points for things that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>normally do not do. I also think this is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>why I have lost as well as I have even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>though I have not done formal exercise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But having said that you also bend,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>stretch, lift and haul during laundry and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in my case I walk the length of my house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to put them all away. I took the APs for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the big laundry adventure because it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>non stop moving for seven hours with just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>three small breaks. It does seem that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>along with the discrepancy in points
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eaten Vs calories used is part of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mystery of WW but along with that I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we get used to some activities so we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>actually, eventually adapt to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity so we must at least change or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>add in order to eat the points, Lee, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thinks she and Joyce are related Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>message news:18nm30d1a1omsnsoe3r6374al7g-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more mudslides - too bad (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll move stuff up here. Activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points are definitely a oddball factor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in WW. I think, though, that you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct - they are intended as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positive benefit and help weightloss so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the point values may be somewhat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skewed so that you gain benefit even if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you eat the calories/points. But like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you, even though I was very active in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my hiking/etc, it is much easier now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I am not earning as many points but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I seem to be hungrier. But I have 60
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pounds less fuel to burn. I guess we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should not second guess this stuff - we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know that it works pretty well and they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do constantly come up with new tweaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (probably both for commercial reasons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and practical reasons.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep on doing what works and keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questioning how and why on some days to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just keep the mind fresh (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:46:06 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:50:10 -0800,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Fred <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:40:11 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:09:51 -0800,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Fred <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>You may be right. Too little main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>course might lead to even more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>snacking. The body may just want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>to hold at this weight. And maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>just need to cater to it. A WW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>leader who shall remain nameless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>has suggested that my weekend's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>probably need more food. After
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>all I am not still burning off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>the self-storage points that use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>to gather around my waist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>I have a feeling you may be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>finding or accepting the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>thing that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>we're just where our bodies want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>or need to be. Up/down a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pounds, it all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>balances out - but no dramatic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>drops that seem to stay in place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>permanently. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>think Lesanne hit the nail on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>head in a prior post when she said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>are still losing weight easily,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>then we aren't *there* yet. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thinking, my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>friend, we are there ... whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>we like it or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>I think you are right - I'm doing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>good job of just wobbling in place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>- like riding a bicycle - a bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> left and bit right and mostly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> straight ahead. A bit up, a bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> down and mostly right on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> MAINTENANCE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Which is as it should be when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>are where you belong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Yup, I think it is finally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>registering with me that seesawing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>bit is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>just going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to be a fact of life. Down again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>today, back to where I was last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>killed off the mudslides tonite - so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>probably back up tomorrow. <G> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Well, since I read down below, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>think you needed the mudslide to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>clear up the activity points issue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>(g) Other than the fact that I will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>not wi officially if I'm too late on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Weds, I think this might be another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>slightly up week - so says the scale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>this morning. I need a down week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>again! Oh, still under goal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Up a teeny bit this morning, which I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >expected - nothing major. And that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bottle is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >now gone, out, been removed from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >premises ... so it will no longer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bother me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Probably be another year before I see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >one again. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>I may experiment a bit. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>the snacking was better last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>night -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>that's two nights after the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>weekend. And I recall it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>week. Or is it just that today is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>WI and my mind accepts LESS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>For the most part my snacking has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>been pretty well under control,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with exception
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to last week. <G> Don't know what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>got into me or why. The last few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>days I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>haven't felt those same hunger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>munchies that nothing would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>satisfy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to keep better track of these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>episodes? I wonder if they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything to do with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>hitting a lower than usual weight,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>like the body sending signals to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eat, eat, eat!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Well, that's the ol' set point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>theory which, of course, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>definitely accepted as the reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>why we could not get the excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>weight off BEFORE we got it off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>But I am sure that the body does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>have its limits. Starvation mode or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>a modest form of it, I'm sure, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>working to keep the body working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>correctly and nourished right. I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>know (I wrote to Lesanne) that I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>not noticeably hungry but just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>snacking. Are those the signals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>that I really do need those snacks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>They are better snacks than years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Hmmmmm, not sure what to tell you on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>this one. I do snack, usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(but not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>always, I'm not a saint) healthier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>options - but it definitely is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nowhere near the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>amount that I was snacking on last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>year. When I hit those constant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>phases, I am definitely noticeably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>hungry ... to myself and everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>else. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>stomach is grumbling loudly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>sometimes a little lightheaded or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>just not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>quite right. Then there are the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>times when I am just bored and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>eating
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>seems to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>the thing to do. THAT'S what I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to get control of ... as I sit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>here in front
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>of my computer, definitely not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>hungry, yet there is a bowl of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>meringues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>right in front of me. I may go dump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>them back into the container.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Yesterday it was Meringues, mango and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>on the bike ride, that breakfast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>cookie. too much stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Today *feels* like one of those days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >to me. Have you ever just felt like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >really overdone things - yet when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >thinking it all out it really wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>THAT bad?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Well, that's where I'm at today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Something I've eaten has left me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >incredibly full and bloated ... no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >idea what, nothing I can really put my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>finger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >on. The only good thing about feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >this way is that it keeps me from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I haven't had one snack all day long.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Ok, here's something else I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>thinking about today ... and I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>probably way off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>base, but in my head it somewhat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>makes some sense. Regarding the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>amount of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity points earned, and eaten. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>understand that 100 calories
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>expended = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity point, and this made sense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to me as I was losing weight. Ok,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>so what if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>roughly 50 calories = 1 point , if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>we ate all AP's we earned, we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>still lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight. I figured ww had us working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>in somewhat of a deficit mode,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>does make sense. BUT ... since we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>are trying to maintain ... by still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>with those same numbers, are we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>somewhat doing ourselves in by not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eating enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>and then ending up going on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>rampage a day or so later? Did I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>convey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>my thoughts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>well enough for anyone to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>understand? I guess this came into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>today when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>was thinking about the Wendy's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>frosty I had splurged on last week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Roughly 13
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points for a large one (I really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>splurged!) ... 600 or close to it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>calories.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Normally I think that it would take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>about 4 or 5 days to earn enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points to work it off. Today for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>some reason my brain kicked into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>calorie mode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>instead ... which told me that no,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>it really is only 2 workout sessions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>treadmill. So if I've been working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>my tail off everyday, and only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eating what ww
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>says I've earned ... could that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>explain those hungry days? And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>explain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>why my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight didn't skyrocket as I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>anticipated it would when I did hit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that feeding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>frenzy?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Interesting. I was never quite clear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>on converting points to calories and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>activity points/exercise is even more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>or maybe less clear but you folks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>with TOYS that calculate calories
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>burned might have a better handle on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>things. So you think WW did not quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>tell us the truth?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>(G) That could explain why I lost so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> well during the program - I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> getting in the main 15-30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> activity points on a weekend a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> some more during the week. And I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> was better at limiting the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> snacking back then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>- driven to succeed. Or maybe since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> had my own FAT points to burn, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> did not need or desire the extra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> points I am now consuming.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I'm going on information passed along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >by others, as to the calorie vs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>points
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >conversions. And I really have no idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >if what I'm *thinking* makes any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sense at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >all, or has any truth behind it ... or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >if I'm just outthinking myself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>once again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >My cynical mind has me thinking that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the calorie difference between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>points eaten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >and activity points is probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >because most people will figure those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >points high in the beginning ... have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >no idea as to what is really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>considered high
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >exertion. I know my perception was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >quite different when I was sitting at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>220
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >pounds, than it is now. Heck, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >cruising the neighborhood leisurely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >chore to me. <g> So by giving double
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >credit (so to speak) even if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>figured high,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >you should still lose some weight. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >also thinking of ww telling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>people that 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >minutes of doing laundry is worth 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >activity points ... still can't quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>figure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >that out since 30 minutes of laundry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >for me is pretty much nothing other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>than a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >few trips up and down the stairs ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >definitely less exertion than 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>minutes on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the treadmill. I do think that drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >to succeed is also a BIG factor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>While I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >still have that drive and still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >consider myself as trying to succeed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>goal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >itself has definitely changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I'm confused again. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Same here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just another constant in my life. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >used to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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8 March 2004, 15:08 UTC #138

Fascinating history of pizza in Da Windy City. I recall
those first two from what I lived there. I guess I had Uno's
once or twice.
Joyce said:
I believe Uno's is the original. Due was opened on the
opposite street corner, as they (Uno's) had no room to
expand. Gino's followed many years later, started by two
taxi drivers. Lou Malnati's was next, and I believe this
restaurant was started by the chef from Uno's (or son of
the chef - can't remember exactly). Emeril just did a show
on this a few months ago, was very interesting (at least to
me). All three restaurants are still going strong and have
expanded to the suburbs. I have an Uno's about a mile
east of me. Gino's is about 2 miles west. Malnati's is
maybe 5 miles southwest ... in the old
firehouse/policestation where I had many firehouse
dinners in my youth. <grin> I love going there, the
firepole is still in place.
Joyce
Fred said:
Yeah, I recall Chicago Pizza - Uno or Du'e's or some
such..... (G)
Joyce said:
But see, I DO need that chocolate cake - my freezer is
crying for it. <G> I'm letting the freezer cry. I know
me, it would not ever make it to the freezer - and I have
to recover from the pizza first. Well, guess I have to
kill off the pizza before I can recover from it. <g>
And yes, those brownie bites are purely evil. Hub picked
up the container, put it down, picked it up, put it down.
Then tried to convince me that he was really only
thinking of purchasing them for me. I told him if they
came home I would personally force feed every damn one to
him .. in one evening. They stayed on that very visible
table (probably the same place they are residing at your
store).
Plain, regular, cheap pizza never was brought in
regularly, guess we only had it once every few months.
But GOOD pizza (by my standards) is another story. It was
a safe item before we were able to get it locally. Lou
Malnati's on rare occassions, as there wasn't one nearby.
Having a similar type restaurant within a few miles is
dangerous. <g> I did tell hub though, that next time we
are ordering much less ... just too much leftover this
trip, no one came home to help eat it as usual. You were
from the original pizza era? Oh boy, I won't make any age
related jokes here. <G> I do remember those thin crust
greasy pizzas, funny how I loved them when I was a kid,
funnier how I can't handle them any longer. I think it
might be true though. Only chicagoans truly love the
chicago deep dish pizzas.
Joyce
On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 07:09:48 -0800, Fred
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>Pushing TUNA is just fine. I like the stuff and it is
>healthy.
>
>I saw the chocolate cake but I still have some frozen so
>do not NEED IT YET (G)
>
>I saw the brownie bites as I quickly turned an aisle
>corner. They are set very visibly on the aisle end. No,
>I just know that those are dangerous in size and
>munchiness. I don't think I could eat just one. The
>chocolate cake is just a reward and it is cake and gets
>eaten from a plate with a fork. Brownie bites - just pop
>one in and swallow, pop in another and swallow, pop in
>yet a third and ...... You get the idea. Much more
>dangerous than Mango (G)
>
>I like pizza but it was never an "often" item anyway.
>More when I was in Junior HS (G) when it was first
>introduced and was 0.10 cents a slice with free coke!!!
>It was a staple back then. I still remember the real
>olive oil running down the forearm and dripping off the
>elbow......
>
>
>
>On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 03:08:30 -0600, Joyce
><[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Alright!!!!! Today I'm pushing the costco Tuna -
>>shouldn't do you in too badly.
>><G> I did look at the chocolate cake once again, and
>> brownie bites ... they stayed in the store. And
>> checked for the skinny cow larger pack ... nope,
>> nothing ... only healthy choice in the icecream
>> section.
>>
>>Pizza is a staple in this house, had it all the way
>>through ww. It's nice to know that it can be done. I
>>suppose what I get is somewhat lower in points,
>>considering it has no meat, only spinach. And the crust
>>is more of a cornmeal crust - not a tough, doughy type.
>>Still, much better choices out there - but as far as
>>pizza goes, this is my favorite.
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:57:57 -0800, Fred
>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>Okay, today you can push food (G)
>>>
>>>Ski trip was work. But ultimately fun after I
>>>stopped (g)
>>>
>>>Have not had pizza in a long while. The last time may
>>>have been last April in Moab, Utah (G)
>>>
>>>On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 12:25:47 -0600, Joyce
>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ok, ok, no pushing food ... today anyway. I haven't
>>>>had anything new and interesting to push, and
>>>>probably best if I didn't push the spinach pizza we
>>>>had for dinner last night (although I'd like to, have
>>>>half of the dang thing in the fridge still). It was
>>>>good though. <G>
>>>>
>>>>Joyce
>>>>
>>>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:59:59 -0800, Fred
>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hey, you are not allowed to push food! (G) High tech
>>>>>toys are entirely different (G)
>>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 01:25:58 -0600, Joyce
>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Arggggggh! you are really trying hard to talk me
>>>>>>into that wirless, aren't you? At least I push you
>>>>>>to the cheaper things (bulk icecream). <G> Although
>>>>>>... less calories in a wireless adapter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:47:50 -0800, Fred
>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I will not discuss weight at the moment (which
>>>>>>>appears up again this morning)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Good for getting in all that exercise. I believe
>>>>>>>that I am taking the day off to hit the downhill
>>>>>>>slopes on cross-country gear. At least that is the
>>>>>>>email I just sent my secretary (G)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wireless is really neat. Yesterday, a few times I
>>>>>>>opened the laptop downstairs and just surfed the
>>>>>>>web and checked some stuff out. Also moved a file
>>>>>>>or two between computers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:09:19 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Evidentally, weight dropped way down today, right
>>>>>>>>back to where it should be. I did get in two
>>>>>>>>treadmill sessions today though, so made up a bit
>>>>>>>>for being out of commission for the past few
>>>>>>>>days. Don't think I'm going to make a habit of
>>>>>>>>that though. The time hub chooses to exercise is
>>>>>>>>tough for me. Just finish up and have to move
>>>>>>>>right into dinner prep - while he rests quietly
>>>>>>>>on his chair. Guess I shouldn't complain, I'm
>>>>>>>>probably still burning those calories. <G>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm totally jealous of your wireless connection,
>>>>>>>>and moving into a second one. I'm scared silly to
>>>>>>>>even attempt the first. Then again, maybe I
>>>>>>>>should just bite the bullet and do it ... while
>>>>>>>>Linksys still offers free tech support. <G> I
>>>>>>>>will definitely go with Linksys merchandise, the
>>>>>>>>customer service is worth every extra penny.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:10:56 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Well, [censored] about a submerged treadmill
>>>>>>>>>probably was worth some points anyway.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes, crossing fingers, Linksys gets my vote. I
>>>>>>>>>have also called a few times. And probably will
>>>>>>>>>again as I have another wireless to hookup
>>>>>>>>>(G)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:37:36 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I usually avoid tech support as much as I can,
>>>>>>>>>>didn't have a choice with the modem issue as
>>>>>>>>>>from what I've discovered dsl modems can not be
>>>>>>>>>>purchased from any stores around me. Cable
>>>>>>>>>>modems, yes ... dsl, no. Don't know why and no
>>>>>>>>>>one seems to be able to give me an answer. I've
>>>>>>>>>>contacted Linksys twice now, both times they
>>>>>>>>>>have been extremely helpful and courteous
>>>>>>>>>>(maybe I've just been lucky?). I've noticed the
>>>>>>>>>>same thing with support going to charging,
>>>>>>>>>>might have been when I stopped calling. Paying
>>>>>>>>>>for help with a product is one of those things
>>>>>>>>>>that really irritates me. Is it any different
>>>>>>>>>>than visiting a customer service desk in a
>>>>>>>>>>retail store? Or a cashier checking me out at a
>>>>>>>>>>grocer? Or a bank teller? next thing ya know,
>>>>>>>>>>we'll be paying for those services as well. I
>>>>>>>>>>figure that these salaries are already covered
>>>>>>>>>>in the inflated merchandise prices ... now it's
>>>>>>>>>>just another way to nick the consumer. <sigh>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>No treadmill for the past 2 days. Hub decided
>>>>>>>>>>to unload all the bike parts on TOP of the
>>>>>>>>>>treadmill ... thus putting me out of
>>>>>>>>>>commission. I [censored] loud and long today ...
>>>>>>>>>>bike is now put together and treadmill is once
>>>>>>>>>>again usable. MEN! <g>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:29:59 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Sorry you had the usual response from support
>>>>>>>>>>>people but managed to get going eventually. I
>>>>>>>>>>>am still waiting for linksys to end their
>>>>>>>>>>>pretty universal coverage - so many now charge
>>>>>>>>>>>fees IMMEDIATELY. There use to be free tech,
>>>>>>>>>>>then 90 days free tech. Now there is NO tech.
>>>>>>>>>>>I guess it was to be expected since some much
>>>>>>>>>>>of this stuff has substantially dropped in
>>>>>>>>>>>price.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Breathe deeply and hit the treadmill - oh, I
>>>>>>>>>>>don't mean with your fist!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:59:38 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>After the day I had today, trying to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>router to work with new modem, the wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>>option is going to go on a back burner for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>bit. I am not up to any more frustration. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Silly me thought all I would have to do was
>>>>>>>>>>>>plug the old cords into the new modem and all
>>>>>>>>>>>>would once again be well. WRONG! Earthlink
>>>>>>>>>>>>switched brands of modems, would give me
>>>>>>>>>>>>absolutely no tech support - only told me I
>>>>>>>>>>>>would first have to subscribe to their home-
>>>>>>>>>>>>networking service. I was not kind, patience
>>>>>>>>>>>>worn thin after 2.5 hours of playing around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I finally screamed at the guy, *can you tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>me that if I pay your silly fee you will push
>>>>>>>>>>>>the magic switch to make my modem communicate
>>>>>>>>>>>>with my router?* Only to be told that
>>>>>>>>>>>>customer service could give me all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>details. I have a feeling that my questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>were not covered in their manual.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>So on a whim I called Linksys, spoke to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>wonderfully kind young man who had me up and
>>>>>>>>>>>>running in a few minutes. Seems that for some
>>>>>>>>>>>>reason the router ran on wrong settings with
>>>>>>>>>>>>the last modem - and of course I kept
>>>>>>>>>>>>switching to those wrong settings when trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>to get this one going. Makes no sense to me,
>>>>>>>>>>>>but it did to him and I guess that's all that
>>>>>>>>>>>>matters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:07 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG - re: using the wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>adapter more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:12 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL! Guess I could say the same where the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dusting and vacuuming are concerned,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>although laundry is constantly going. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ordered a new vacuum yesterday, have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>idea why - probably won't use the thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>very often. I would have used the wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>router more. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:38:06 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, then I guess I should get points for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry and dusting and vacuuming since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>do them so infrequently my body definitely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>finds them foreign exercise!!!!! (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:40:01 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't take those laundry points either,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nor the vacuuming, dusting - general
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>stuff that I do easily or routinely. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm spending the entire day on one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity, then I may rethink things. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>just no how my brain works, and the *old*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>me would have seen that indicator from ww
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>saying that laundry was great exercise,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and it would have been one more excuse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not to do anything else. And since I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>spent the majority of my life doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry ... and not losing weight ... I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>figure laundry is not the exercise option
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for me. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:32:46 -0600, "Miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Violette" <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As far as the laundry goes, since I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the majority of it I do not take the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>points as it is a regular activity for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>me, I only take points for things that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>normally do not do. I also think this is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>why I have lost as well as I have even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>though I have not done formal exercise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But having said that you also bend,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>stretch, lift and haul during laundry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and in my case I walk the length of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>house to put them all away. I took the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>APs for the big laundry adventure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>because it was non stop moving for seven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hours with just three small breaks. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>does seem that along with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>discrepancy in points eaten Vs calories
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>used is part of the mystery of WW but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>along with that I think we get used to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>some activities so we actually,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eventually adapt to the activity so we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>must at least change or add in order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eat the points, Lee, who thinks she and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce are related Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>message news:18nm30d1a1omsnsoe3r6374al7-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more mudslides - too bad (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll move stuff up here. Activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points are definitely a oddball factor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in WW. I think, though, that you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct - they are intended as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positive benefit and help weightloss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that the point values may be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat skewed so that you gain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit even if you eat the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calories/points. But like you, even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though I was very active in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hiking/etc, it is much easier now and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not earning as many points but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to be hungrier. But I have 60
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pounds less fuel to burn. I guess we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should not second guess this stuff -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we know that it works pretty well and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do constantly come up with new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tweaks (probably both for commercial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons and practical reasons.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep on doing what works and keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questioning how and why on some days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to just keep the mind fresh (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:46:06 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:50:10 -0800,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Fred <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:40:11 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:09:51 -0800,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Fred <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>You may be right. Too little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>main course might lead to even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>more snacking. The body may just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>want to hold at this weight. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>just need to cater to it. A WW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>leader who shall remain nameless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>has suggested that my weekend's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>probably need more food. After
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>all I am not still burning off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>the self-storage points that use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>to gather around my waist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>I have a feeling you may be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>finding or accepting the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>thing that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>we're just where our bodies want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>or need to be. Up/down a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pounds, it all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>balances out - but no dramatic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>drops that seem to stay in place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>permanently. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>think Lesanne hit the nail on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>head in a prior post when she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>are still losing weight easily,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>then we aren't *there* yet. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thinking, my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>friend, we are there ... whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>we like it or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>I think you are right - I'm doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>a good job of just wobbling in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>- like riding a bicycle - a bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> left and bit right and mostly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> straight ahead. A bit up, a bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> down and mostly right on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> MAINTENANCE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Which is as it should be when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>are where you belong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Yup, I think it is finally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>registering with me that seesawing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>a bit is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>just going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to be a fact of life. Down again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>today, back to where I was last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>killed off the mudslides tonite -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>so probably back up tomorrow. <G> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Well, since I read down below, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>think you needed the mudslide to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>clear up the activity points issue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>(g) Other than the fact that I will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>not wi officially if I'm too late on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Weds, I think this might be another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>slightly up week - so says the scale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>this morning. I need a down week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>again! Oh, still under goal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Up a teeny bit this morning, which I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >expected - nothing major. And that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bottle is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >now gone, out, been removed from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >premises ... so it will no longer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bother me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Probably be another year before I see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >one again. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>I may experiment a bit. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>the snacking was better last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>night -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>that's two nights after the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>weekend. And I recall it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>week. Or is it just that today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>is WI and my mind accepts LESS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>For the most part my snacking has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>been pretty well under control,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with exception
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to last week. <G> Don't know what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>got into me or why. The last few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>days I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>haven't felt those same hunger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>munchies that nothing would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>satisfy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to keep better track of these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>episodes? I wonder if they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything to do with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>hitting a lower than usual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>weight, like the body sending
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>signals to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eat, eat, eat!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Well, that's the ol' set point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>theory which, of course, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>definitely accepted as the reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>why we could not get the excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>weight off BEFORE we got it off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>But I am sure that the body does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>have its limits. Starvation mode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>or a modest form of it, I'm sure,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>is working to keep the body
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>working correctly and nourished
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>right. I do know (I wrote to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Lesanne) that I am not noticeably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>hungry but just snacking. Are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>those the signals that I really do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>need those snacks? They are better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>snacks than years past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Hmmmmm, not sure what to tell you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>on this one. I do snack, usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(but not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>always, I'm not a saint) healthier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>options - but it definitely is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nowhere near the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>amount that I was snacking on last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>year. When I hit those constant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>phases, I am definitely noticeably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>hungry ... to myself and everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>else. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>stomach is grumbling loudly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>sometimes a little lightheaded or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>just not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>quite right. Then there are the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>times when I am just bored and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>eating
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>seems to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>the thing to do. THAT'S what I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to get control of ... as I sit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>here in front
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>of my computer, definitely not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>hungry, yet there is a bowl of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>meringues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>right in front of me. I may go dump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>them back into the container.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Yesterday it was Meringues, mango
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>and on the bike ride, that breakfast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>cookie. too much stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Today *feels* like one of those days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >to me. Have you ever just felt like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >really overdone things - yet when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >thinking it all out it really wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>THAT bad?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Well, that's where I'm at today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Something I've eaten has left me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >incredibly full and bloated ... no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >idea what, nothing I can really put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>finger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >on. The only good thing about feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >this way is that it keeps me from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I haven't had one snack all day long.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Ok, here's something else I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>thinking about today ... and I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>probably way off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>base, but in my head it somewhat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>makes some sense. Regarding the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>amount of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity points earned, and eaten.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I understand that 100 calories
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>expended = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity point, and this made sense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to me as I was losing weight. Ok,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>so what if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>roughly 50 calories = 1 point , if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>we ate all AP's we earned, we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>still lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight. I figured ww had us working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>in somewhat of a deficit mode,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>does make sense. BUT ... since we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>are trying to maintain ... by still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>with those same numbers, are we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>somewhat doing ourselves in by not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eating enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>and then ending up going on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>rampage a day or so later? Did I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>convey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>my thoughts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>well enough for anyone to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>understand? I guess this came into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>today when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>was thinking about the Wendy's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>frosty I had splurged on last week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Roughly 13
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points for a large one (I really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>splurged!) ... 600 or close to it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>calories.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Normally I think that it would take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>about 4 or 5 days to earn enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points to work it off. Today for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>some reason my brain kicked into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>calorie mode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>instead ... which told me that no,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>it really is only 2 workout
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>sessions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>treadmill. So if I've been working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>my tail off everyday, and only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eating what ww
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>says I've earned ... could that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>explain those hungry days? And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>explain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>why my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight didn't skyrocket as I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>anticipated it would when I did hit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that feeding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>frenzy?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Interesting. I was never quite clear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>on converting points to calories and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>activity points/exercise is even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>more or maybe less clear but you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>folks with TOYS that calculate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>calories burned might have a better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>handle on things. So you think WW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>did not quite tell us the truth?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>(G) That could explain why I lost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> so well during the program - I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> was getting in the main 15-30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> activity points on a weekend a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> some more during the week. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I was better at limiting the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> snacking back then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>- driven to succeed. Or maybe since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I had my own FAT points to burn, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> did not need or desire the extra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> points I am now consuming.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I'm going on information passed along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >by others, as to the calorie vs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>points
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >conversions. And I really have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >idea if what I'm *thinking* makes any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sense at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >all, or has any truth behind it ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >or if I'm just outthinking myself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>once again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >My cynical mind has me thinking that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the calorie difference between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>points eaten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >and activity points is probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >because most people will figure those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >points high in the beginning ... have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >no idea as to what is really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>considered high
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >exertion. I know my perception was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >quite different when I was sitting at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>220
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >pounds, than it is now. Heck, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >cruising the neighborhood leisurely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >chore to me. <g> So by giving double
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >credit (so to speak) even if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>figured high,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >you should still lose some weight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I'm also thinking of ww telling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>people that 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >minutes of doing laundry is worth 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >activity points ... still can't quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>figure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >that out since 30 minutes of laundry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >for me is pretty much nothing other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>than a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >few trips up and down the stairs ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >definitely less exertion than 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>minutes on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the treadmill. I do think that drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >to succeed is also a BIG factor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>While I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >still have that drive and still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >consider myself as trying to succeed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>goal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >itself has definitely changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I'm confused again. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Same here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just another constant in my life. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >used to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Fascinating history of pizza in Da Windy City. I recall
those first two from what I lived there. I guess I had Uno's
once or twice.
Joyce said:
I believe Uno's is the original. Due was opened on the
opposite street corner, as they (Uno's) had no room to
expand. Gino's followed many years later, started by two
taxi drivers. Lou Malnati's was next, and I believe this
restaurant was started by the chef from Uno's (or son of
the chef - can't remember exactly). Emeril just did a show
on this a few months ago, was very interesting (at least to
me). All three restaurants are still going strong and have
expanded to the suburbs. I have an Uno's about a mile
east of me. Gino's is about 2 miles west. Malnati's is
maybe 5 miles southwest ... in the old
firehouse/policestation where I had many firehouse
dinners in my youth. <grin> I love going there, the
firepole is still in place.
Joyce
Fred said:
Yeah, I recall Chicago Pizza - Uno or Du'e's or some
such..... (G)
Joyce said:
But see, I DO need that chocolate cake - my freezer is
crying for it. <G> I'm letting the freezer cry. I know
me, it would not ever make it to the freezer - and I have
to recover from the pizza first. Well, guess I have to
kill off the pizza before I can recover from it. <g>
And yes, those brownie bites are purely evil. Hub picked
up the container, put it down, picked it up, put it down.
Then tried to convince me that he was really only
thinking of purchasing them for me. I told him if they
came home I would personally force feed every damn one to
him .. in one evening. They stayed on that very visible
table (probably the same place they are residing at your
store).
Plain, regular, cheap pizza never was brought in
regularly, guess we only had it once every few months.
But GOOD pizza (by my standards) is another story. It was
a safe item before we were able to get it locally. Lou
Malnati's on rare occassions, as there wasn't one nearby.
Having a similar type restaurant within a few miles is
dangerous. <g> I did tell hub though, that next time we
are ordering much less ... just too much leftover this
trip, no one came home to help eat it as usual. You were
from the original pizza era? Oh boy, I won't make any age
related jokes here. <G> I do remember those thin crust
greasy pizzas, funny how I loved them when I was a kid,
funnier how I can't handle them any longer. I think it
might be true though. Only chicagoans truly love the
chicago deep dish pizzas.
Joyce
On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 07:09:48 -0800, Fred
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>Pushing TUNA is just fine. I like the stuff and it is
>healthy.
>
>I saw the chocolate cake but I still have some frozen so
>do not NEED IT YET (G)
>
>I saw the brownie bites as I quickly turned an aisle
>corner. They are set very visibly on the aisle end. No,
>I just know that those are dangerous in size and
>munchiness. I don't think I could eat just one. The
>chocolate cake is just a reward and it is cake and gets
>eaten from a plate with a fork. Brownie bites - just pop
>one in and swallow, pop in another and swallow, pop in
>yet a third and ...... You get the idea. Much more
>dangerous than Mango (G)
>
>I like pizza but it was never an "often" item anyway.
>More when I was in Junior HS (G) when it was first
>introduced and was 0.10 cents a slice with free coke!!!
>It was a staple back then. I still remember the real
>olive oil running down the forearm and dripping off the
>elbow......
>
>
>
>On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 03:08:30 -0600, Joyce
><[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Alright!!!!! Today I'm pushing the costco Tuna -
>>shouldn't do you in too badly.
>><G> I did look at the chocolate cake once again, and
>> brownie bites ... they stayed in the store. And
>> checked for the skinny cow larger pack ... nope,
>> nothing ... only healthy choice in the icecream
>> section.
>>
>>Pizza is a staple in this house, had it all the way
>>through ww. It's nice to know that it can be done. I
>>suppose what I get is somewhat lower in points,
>>considering it has no meat, only spinach. And the crust
>>is more of a cornmeal crust - not a tough, doughy type.
>>Still, much better choices out there - but as far as
>>pizza goes, this is my favorite.
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:57:57 -0800, Fred
>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>Okay, today you can push food (G)
>>>
>>>Ski trip was work. But ultimately fun after I
>>>stopped (g)
>>>
>>>Have not had pizza in a long while. The last time may
>>>have been last April in Moab, Utah (G)
>>>
>>>On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 12:25:47 -0600, Joyce
>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ok, ok, no pushing food ... today anyway. I haven't
>>>>had anything new and interesting to push, and
>>>>probably best if I didn't push the spinach pizza we
>>>>had for dinner last night (although I'd like to, have
>>>>half of the dang thing in the fridge still). It was
>>>>good though. <G>
>>>>
>>>>Joyce
>>>>
>>>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:59:59 -0800, Fred
>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hey, you are not allowed to push food! (G) High tech
>>>>>toys are entirely different (G)
>>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 01:25:58 -0600, Joyce
>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Arggggggh! you are really trying hard to talk me
>>>>>>into that wirless, aren't you? At least I push you
>>>>>>to the cheaper things (bulk icecream). <G> Although
>>>>>>... less calories in a wireless adapter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:47:50 -0800, Fred
>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I will not discuss weight at the moment (which
>>>>>>>appears up again this morning)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Good for getting in all that exercise. I believe
>>>>>>>that I am taking the day off to hit the downhill
>>>>>>>slopes on cross-country gear. At least that is the
>>>>>>>email I just sent my secretary (G)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wireless is really neat. Yesterday, a few times I
>>>>>>>opened the laptop downstairs and just surfed the
>>>>>>>web and checked some stuff out. Also moved a file
>>>>>>>or two between computers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:09:19 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Evidentally, weight dropped way down today, right
>>>>>>>>back to where it should be. I did get in two
>>>>>>>>treadmill sessions today though, so made up a bit
>>>>>>>>for being out of commission for the past few
>>>>>>>>days. Don't think I'm going to make a habit of
>>>>>>>>that though. The time hub chooses to exercise is
>>>>>>>>tough for me. Just finish up and have to move
>>>>>>>>right into dinner prep - while he rests quietly
>>>>>>>>on his chair. Guess I shouldn't complain, I'm
>>>>>>>>probably still burning those calories. <G>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm totally jealous of your wireless connection,
>>>>>>>>and moving into a second one. I'm scared silly to
>>>>>>>>even attempt the first. Then again, maybe I
>>>>>>>>should just bite the bullet and do it ... while
>>>>>>>>Linksys still offers free tech support. <G> I
>>>>>>>>will definitely go with Linksys merchandise, the
>>>>>>>>customer service is worth every extra penny.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:10:56 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Well, [censored] about a submerged treadmill
>>>>>>>>>probably was worth some points anyway.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes, crossing fingers, Linksys gets my vote. I
>>>>>>>>>have also called a few times. And probably will
>>>>>>>>>again as I have another wireless to hookup
>>>>>>>>>(G)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:37:36 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I usually avoid tech support as much as I can,
>>>>>>>>>>didn't have a choice with the modem issue as
>>>>>>>>>>from what I've discovered dsl modems can not be
>>>>>>>>>>purchased from any stores around me. Cable
>>>>>>>>>>modems, yes ... dsl, no. Don't know why and no
>>>>>>>>>>one seems to be able to give me an answer. I've
>>>>>>>>>>contacted Linksys twice now, both times they
>>>>>>>>>>have been extremely helpful and courteous
>>>>>>>>>>(maybe I've just been lucky?). I've noticed the
>>>>>>>>>>same thing with support going to charging,
>>>>>>>>>>might have been when I stopped calling. Paying
>>>>>>>>>>for help with a product is one of those things
>>>>>>>>>>that really irritates me. Is it any different
>>>>>>>>>>than visiting a customer service desk in a
>>>>>>>>>>retail store? Or a cashier checking me out at a
>>>>>>>>>>grocer? Or a bank teller? next thing ya know,
>>>>>>>>>>we'll be paying for those services as well. I
>>>>>>>>>>figure that these salaries are already covered
>>>>>>>>>>in the inflated merchandise prices ... now it's
>>>>>>>>>>just another way to nick the consumer. <sigh>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>No treadmill for the past 2 days. Hub decided
>>>>>>>>>>to unload all the bike parts on TOP of the
>>>>>>>>>>treadmill ... thus putting me out of
>>>>>>>>>>commission. I [censored] loud and long today ...
>>>>>>>>>>bike is now put together and treadmill is once
>>>>>>>>>>again usable. MEN! <g>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:29:59 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Sorry you had the usual response from support
>>>>>>>>>>>people but managed to get going eventually. I
>>>>>>>>>>>am still waiting for linksys to end their
>>>>>>>>>>>pretty universal coverage - so many now charge
>>>>>>>>>>>fees IMMEDIATELY. There use to be free tech,
>>>>>>>>>>>then 90 days free tech. Now there is NO tech.
>>>>>>>>>>>I guess it was to be expected since some much
>>>>>>>>>>>of this stuff has substantially dropped in
>>>>>>>>>>>price.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Breathe deeply and hit the treadmill - oh, I
>>>>>>>>>>>don't mean with your fist!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:59:38 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>After the day I had today, trying to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>router to work with new modem, the wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>>option is going to go on a back burner for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>bit. I am not up to any more frustration. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Silly me thought all I would have to do was
>>>>>>>>>>>>plug the old cords into the new modem and all
>>>>>>>>>>>>would once again be well. WRONG! Earthlink
>>>>>>>>>>>>switched brands of modems, would give me
>>>>>>>>>>>>absolutely no tech support - only told me I
>>>>>>>>>>>>would first have to subscribe to their home-
>>>>>>>>>>>>networking service. I was not kind, patience
>>>>>>>>>>>>worn thin after 2.5 hours of playing around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I finally screamed at the guy, *can you tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>me that if I pay your silly fee you will push
>>>>>>>>>>>>the magic switch to make my modem communicate
>>>>>>>>>>>>with my router?* Only to be told that
>>>>>>>>>>>>customer service could give me all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>details. I have a feeling that my questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>were not covered in their manual.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>So on a whim I called Linksys, spoke to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>wonderfully kind young man who had me up and
>>>>>>>>>>>>running in a few minutes. Seems that for some
>>>>>>>>>>>>reason the router ran on wrong settings with
>>>>>>>>>>>>the last modem - and of course I kept
>>>>>>>>>>>>switching to those wrong settings when trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>to get this one going. Makes no sense to me,
>>>>>>>>>>>>but it did to him and I guess that's all that
>>>>>>>>>>>>matters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:07 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG - re: using the wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>adapter more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:12 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL! Guess I could say the same where the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dusting and vacuuming are concerned,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>although laundry is constantly going. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ordered a new vacuum yesterday, have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>idea why - probably won't use the thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>very often. I would have used the wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>router more. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:38:06 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, then I guess I should get points for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry and dusting and vacuuming since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>do them so infrequently my body definitely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>finds them foreign exercise!!!!! (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:40:01 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't take those laundry points either,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nor the vacuuming, dusting - general
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>stuff that I do easily or routinely. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm spending the entire day on one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity, then I may rethink things. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>just no how my brain works, and the *old*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>me would have seen that indicator from ww
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>saying that laundry was great exercise,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and it would have been one more excuse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not to do anything else. And since I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>spent the majority of my life doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry ... and not losing weight ... I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>figure laundry is not the exercise option
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for me. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:32:46 -0600, "Miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Violette" <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As far as the laundry goes, since I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the majority of it I do not take the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>points as it is a regular activity for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>me, I only take points for things that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>normally do not do. I also think this is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>why I have lost as well as I have even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>though I have not done formal exercise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But having said that you also bend,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>stretch, lift and haul during laundry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and in my case I walk the length of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>house to put them all away. I took the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>APs for the big laundry adventure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>because it was non stop moving for seven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hours with just three small breaks. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>does seem that along with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>discrepancy in points eaten Vs calories
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>used is part of the mystery of WW but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>along with that I think we get used to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>some activities so we actually,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eventually adapt to the activity so we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>must at least change or add in order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eat the points, Lee, who thinks she and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce are related Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>message news:18nm30d1a1omsnsoe3r6374al7-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more mudslides - too bad (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll move stuff up here. Activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points are definitely a oddball factor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in WW. I think, though, that you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct - they are intended as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positive benefit and help weightloss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that the point values may be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat skewed so that you gain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit even if you eat the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calories/points. But like you, even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though I was very active in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hiking/etc, it is much easier now and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not earning as many points but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to be hungrier. But I have 60
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pounds less fuel to burn. I guess we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should not second guess this stuff -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we know that it works pretty well and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do constantly come up with new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tweaks (probably both for commercial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons and practical reasons.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep on doing what works and keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questioning how and why on some days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to just keep the mind fresh (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:46:06 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:50:10 -0800,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Fred <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:40:11 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:09:51 -0800,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Fred <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>You may be right. Too little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>main course might lead to even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>more snacking. The body may just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>want to hold at this weight. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>just need to cater to it. A WW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>leader who shall remain nameless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>has suggested that my weekend's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>probably need more food. After
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>all I am not still burning off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>the self-storage points that use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>to gather around my waist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>I have a feeling you may be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>finding or accepting the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>thing that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>we're just where our bodies want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>or need to be. Up/down a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pounds, it all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>balances out - but no dramatic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>drops that seem to stay in place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>permanently. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>think Lesanne hit the nail on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>head in a prior post when she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>are still losing weight easily,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>then we aren't *there* yet. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thinking, my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>friend, we are there ... whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>we like it or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>I think you are right - I'm doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>a good job of just wobbling in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>- like riding a bicycle - a bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> left and bit right and mostly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> straight ahead. A bit up, a bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> down and mostly right on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> MAINTENANCE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Which is as it should be when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>are where you belong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Yup, I think it is finally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>registering with me that seesawing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>a bit is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>just going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to be a fact of life. Down again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>today, back to where I was last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>killed off the mudslides tonite -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>so probably back up tomorrow. <G> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Well, since I read down below, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>think you needed the mudslide to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>clear up the activity points issue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>(g) Other than the fact that I will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>not wi officially if I'm too late on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Weds, I think this might be another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>slightly up week - so says the scale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>this morning. I need a down week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>again! Oh, still under goal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Up a teeny bit this morning, which I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >expected - nothing major. And that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bottle is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >now gone, out, been removed from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >premises ... so it will no longer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bother me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Probably be another year before I see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >one again. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>I may experiment a bit. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>the snacking was better last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>night -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>that's two nights after the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>weekend. And I recall it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>week. Or is it just that today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>is WI and my mind accepts LESS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>For the most part my snacking has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>been pretty well under control,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with exception
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to last week. <G> Don't know what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>got into me or why. The last few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>days I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>haven't felt those same hunger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>munchies that nothing would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>satisfy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to keep better track of these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>episodes? I wonder if they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything to do with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>hitting a lower than usual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>weight, like the body sending
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>signals to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eat, eat, eat!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Well, that's the ol' set point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>theory which, of course, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>definitely accepted as the reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>why we could not get the excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>weight off BEFORE we got it off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>But I am sure that the body does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>have its limits. Starvation mode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>or a modest form of it, I'm sure,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>is working to keep the body
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>working correctly and nourished
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>right. I do know (I wrote to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Lesanne) that I am not noticeably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>hungry but just snacking. Are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>those the signals that I really do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>need those snacks? They are better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>snacks than years past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Hmmmmm, not sure what to tell you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>on this one. I do snack, usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(but not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>always, I'm not a saint) healthier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>options - but it definitely is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nowhere near the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>amount that I was snacking on last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>year. When I hit those constant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>phases, I am definitely noticeably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>hungry ... to myself and everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>else. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>stomach is grumbling loudly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>sometimes a little lightheaded or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>just not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>quite right. Then there are the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>times when I am just bored and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>eating
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>seems to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>the thing to do. THAT'S what I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to get control of ... as I sit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>here in front
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>of my computer, definitely not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>hungry, yet there is a bowl of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>meringues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>right in front of me. I may go dump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>them back into the container.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Yesterday it was Meringues, mango
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>and on the bike ride, that breakfast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>cookie. too much stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Today *feels* like one of those days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >to me. Have you ever just felt like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >really overdone things - yet when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >thinking it all out it really wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>THAT bad?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Well, that's where I'm at today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Something I've eaten has left me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >incredibly full and bloated ... no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >idea what, nothing I can really put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>finger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >on. The only good thing about feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >this way is that it keeps me from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I haven't had one snack all day long.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Ok, here's something else I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>thinking about today ... and I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>probably way off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>base, but in my head it somewhat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>makes some sense. Regarding the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>amount of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity points earned, and eaten.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I understand that 100 calories
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>expended = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity point, and this made sense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to me as I was losing weight. Ok,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>so what if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>roughly 50 calories = 1 point , if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>we ate all AP's we earned, we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>still lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight. I figured ww had us working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>in somewhat of a deficit mode,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>does make sense. BUT ... since we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>are trying to maintain ... by still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>with those same numbers, are we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>somewhat doing ourselves in by not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eating enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>and then ending up going on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>rampage a day or so later? Did I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>convey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>my thoughts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>well enough for anyone to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>understand? I guess this came into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>today when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>was thinking about the Wendy's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>frosty I had splurged on last week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Roughly 13
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points for a large one (I really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>splurged!) ... 600 or close to it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>calories.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Normally I think that it would take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>about 4 or 5 days to earn enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points to work it off. Today for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>some reason my brain kicked into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>calorie mode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>instead ... which told me that no,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>it really is only 2 workout
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>sessions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>treadmill. So if I've been working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>my tail off everyday, and only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eating what ww
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>says I've earned ... could that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>explain those hungry days? And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>explain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>why my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight didn't skyrocket as I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>anticipated it would when I did hit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that feeding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>frenzy?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Interesting. I was never quite clear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>on converting points to calories and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>activity points/exercise is even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>more or maybe less clear but you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>folks with TOYS that calculate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>calories burned might have a better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>handle on things. So you think WW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>did not quite tell us the truth?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>(G) That could explain why I lost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> so well during the program - I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> was getting in the main 15-30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> activity points on a weekend a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> some more during the week. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I was better at limiting the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> snacking back then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>- driven to succeed. Or maybe since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I had my own FAT points to burn, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> did not need or desire the extra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> points I am now consuming.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I'm going on information passed along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >by others, as to the calorie vs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>points
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >conversions. And I really have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >idea if what I'm *thinking* makes any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sense at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >all, or has any truth behind it ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >or if I'm just outthinking myself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>once again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >My cynical mind has me thinking that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the calorie difference between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>points eaten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >and activity points is probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >because most people will figure those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >points high in the beginning ... have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >no idea as to what is really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>considered high
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >exertion. I know my perception was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >quite different when I was sitting at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>220
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >pounds, than it is now. Heck, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >cruising the neighborhood leisurely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >chore to me. <g> So by giving double
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >credit (so to speak) even if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>figured high,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >you should still lose some weight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I'm also thinking of ww telling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>people that 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >minutes of doing laundry is worth 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >activity points ... still can't quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>figure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >that out since 30 minutes of laundry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >for me is pretty much nothing other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>than a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >few trips up and down the stairs ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >definitely less exertion than 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>minutes on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the treadmill. I do think that drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >to succeed is also a BIG factor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>While I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >still have that drive and still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >consider myself as trying to succeed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>goal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >itself has definitely changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I'm confused again. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Same here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just another constant in my life. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >used to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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8 March 2004, 15:08 UTC #140

Fascinating history of pizza in Da Windy City. I recall
those first two from what I lived there. I guess I had Uno's
once or twice.
Joyce said:
I believe Uno's is the original. Due was opened on the
opposite street corner, as they (Uno's) had no room to
expand. Gino's followed many years later, started by two
taxi drivers. Lou Malnati's was next, and I believe this
restaurant was started by the chef from Uno's (or son of
the chef - can't remember exactly). Emeril just did a show
on this a few months ago, was very interesting (at least to
me). All three restaurants are still going strong and have
expanded to the suburbs. I have an Uno's about a mile
east of me. Gino's is about 2 miles west. Malnati's is
maybe 5 miles southwest ... in the old
firehouse/policestation where I had many firehouse
dinners in my youth. <grin> I love going there, the
firepole is still in place.
Joyce
Fred said:
Yeah, I recall Chicago Pizza - Uno or Du'e's or some
such..... (G)
Joyce said:
But see, I DO need that chocolate cake - my freezer is
crying for it. <G> I'm letting the freezer cry. I know
me, it would not ever make it to the freezer - and I have
to recover from the pizza first. Well, guess I have to
kill off the pizza before I can recover from it. <g>
And yes, those brownie bites are purely evil. Hub picked
up the container, put it down, picked it up, put it down.
Then tried to convince me that he was really only
thinking of purchasing them for me. I told him if they
came home I would personally force feed every damn one to
him .. in one evening. They stayed on that very visible
table (probably the same place they are residing at your
store).
Plain, regular, cheap pizza never was brought in
regularly, guess we only had it once every few months.
But GOOD pizza (by my standards) is another story. It was
a safe item before we were able to get it locally. Lou
Malnati's on rare occassions, as there wasn't one nearby.
Having a similar type restaurant within a few miles is
dangerous. <g> I did tell hub though, that next time we
are ordering much less ... just too much leftover this
trip, no one came home to help eat it as usual. You were
from the original pizza era? Oh boy, I won't make any age
related jokes here. <G> I do remember those thin crust
greasy pizzas, funny how I loved them when I was a kid,
funnier how I can't handle them any longer. I think it
might be true though. Only chicagoans truly love the
chicago deep dish pizzas.
Joyce
On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 07:09:48 -0800, Fred
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>Pushing TUNA is just fine. I like the stuff and it is
>healthy.
>
>I saw the chocolate cake but I still have some frozen so
>do not NEED IT YET (G)
>
>I saw the brownie bites as I quickly turned an aisle
>corner. They are set very visibly on the aisle end. No,
>I just know that those are dangerous in size and
>munchiness. I don't think I could eat just one. The
>chocolate cake is just a reward and it is cake and gets
>eaten from a plate with a fork. Brownie bites - just pop
>one in and swallow, pop in another and swallow, pop in
>yet a third and ...... You get the idea. Much more
>dangerous than Mango (G)
>
>I like pizza but it was never an "often" item anyway.
>More when I was in Junior HS (G) when it was first
>introduced and was 0.10 cents a slice with free coke!!!
>It was a staple back then. I still remember the real
>olive oil running down the forearm and dripping off the
>elbow......
>
>
>
>On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 03:08:30 -0600, Joyce
><[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Alright!!!!! Today I'm pushing the costco Tuna -
>>shouldn't do you in too badly.
>><G> I did look at the chocolate cake once again, and
>> brownie bites ... they stayed in the store. And
>> checked for the skinny cow larger pack ... nope,
>> nothing ... only healthy choice in the icecream
>> section.
>>
>>Pizza is a staple in this house, had it all the way
>>through ww. It's nice to know that it can be done. I
>>suppose what I get is somewhat lower in points,
>>considering it has no meat, only spinach. And the crust
>>is more of a cornmeal crust - not a tough, doughy type.
>>Still, much better choices out there - but as far as
>>pizza goes, this is my favorite.
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:57:57 -0800, Fred
>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>Okay, today you can push food (G)
>>>
>>>Ski trip was work. But ultimately fun after I
>>>stopped (g)
>>>
>>>Have not had pizza in a long while. The last time may
>>>have been last April in Moab, Utah (G)
>>>
>>>On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 12:25:47 -0600, Joyce
>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ok, ok, no pushing food ... today anyway. I haven't
>>>>had anything new and interesting to push, and
>>>>probably best if I didn't push the spinach pizza we
>>>>had for dinner last night (although I'd like to, have
>>>>half of the dang thing in the fridge still). It was
>>>>good though. <G>
>>>>
>>>>Joyce
>>>>
>>>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:59:59 -0800, Fred
>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hey, you are not allowed to push food! (G) High tech
>>>>>toys are entirely different (G)
>>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 01:25:58 -0600, Joyce
>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Arggggggh! you are really trying hard to talk me
>>>>>>into that wirless, aren't you? At least I push you
>>>>>>to the cheaper things (bulk icecream). <G> Although
>>>>>>... less calories in a wireless adapter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:47:50 -0800, Fred
>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I will not discuss weight at the moment (which
>>>>>>>appears up again this morning)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Good for getting in all that exercise. I believe
>>>>>>>that I am taking the day off to hit the downhill
>>>>>>>slopes on cross-country gear. At least that is the
>>>>>>>email I just sent my secretary (G)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wireless is really neat. Yesterday, a few times I
>>>>>>>opened the laptop downstairs and just surfed the
>>>>>>>web and checked some stuff out. Also moved a file
>>>>>>>or two between computers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:09:19 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Evidentally, weight dropped way down today, right
>>>>>>>>back to where it should be. I did get in two
>>>>>>>>treadmill sessions today though, so made up a bit
>>>>>>>>for being out of commission for the past few
>>>>>>>>days. Don't think I'm going to make a habit of
>>>>>>>>that though. The time hub chooses to exercise is
>>>>>>>>tough for me. Just finish up and have to move
>>>>>>>>right into dinner prep - while he rests quietly
>>>>>>>>on his chair. Guess I shouldn't complain, I'm
>>>>>>>>probably still burning those calories. <G>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm totally jealous of your wireless connection,
>>>>>>>>and moving into a second one. I'm scared silly to
>>>>>>>>even attempt the first. Then again, maybe I
>>>>>>>>should just bite the bullet and do it ... while
>>>>>>>>Linksys still offers free tech support. <G> I
>>>>>>>>will definitely go with Linksys merchandise, the
>>>>>>>>customer service is worth every extra penny.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:10:56 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Well, [censored] about a submerged treadmill
>>>>>>>>>probably was worth some points anyway.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes, crossing fingers, Linksys gets my vote. I
>>>>>>>>>have also called a few times. And probably will
>>>>>>>>>again as I have another wireless to hookup
>>>>>>>>>(G)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:37:36 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I usually avoid tech support as much as I can,
>>>>>>>>>>didn't have a choice with the modem issue as
>>>>>>>>>>from what I've discovered dsl modems can not be
>>>>>>>>>>purchased from any stores around me. Cable
>>>>>>>>>>modems, yes ... dsl, no. Don't know why and no
>>>>>>>>>>one seems to be able to give me an answer. I've
>>>>>>>>>>contacted Linksys twice now, both times they
>>>>>>>>>>have been extremely helpful and courteous
>>>>>>>>>>(maybe I've just been lucky?). I've noticed the
>>>>>>>>>>same thing with support going to charging,
>>>>>>>>>>might have been when I stopped calling. Paying
>>>>>>>>>>for help with a product is one of those things
>>>>>>>>>>that really irritates me. Is it any different
>>>>>>>>>>than visiting a customer service desk in a
>>>>>>>>>>retail store? Or a cashier checking me out at a
>>>>>>>>>>grocer? Or a bank teller? next thing ya know,
>>>>>>>>>>we'll be paying for those services as well. I
>>>>>>>>>>figure that these salaries are already covered
>>>>>>>>>>in the inflated merchandise prices ... now it's
>>>>>>>>>>just another way to nick the consumer. <sigh>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>No treadmill for the past 2 days. Hub decided
>>>>>>>>>>to unload all the bike parts on TOP of the
>>>>>>>>>>treadmill ... thus putting me out of
>>>>>>>>>>commission. I [censored] loud and long today ...
>>>>>>>>>>bike is now put together and treadmill is once
>>>>>>>>>>again usable. MEN! <g>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:29:59 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Sorry you had the usual response from support
>>>>>>>>>>>people but managed to get going eventually. I
>>>>>>>>>>>am still waiting for linksys to end their
>>>>>>>>>>>pretty universal coverage - so many now charge
>>>>>>>>>>>fees IMMEDIATELY. There use to be free tech,
>>>>>>>>>>>then 90 days free tech. Now there is NO tech.
>>>>>>>>>>>I guess it was to be expected since some much
>>>>>>>>>>>of this stuff has substantially dropped in
>>>>>>>>>>>price.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Breathe deeply and hit the treadmill - oh, I
>>>>>>>>>>>don't mean with your fist!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:59:38 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>After the day I had today, trying to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>router to work with new modem, the wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>>option is going to go on a back burner for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>bit. I am not up to any more frustration. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Silly me thought all I would have to do was
>>>>>>>>>>>>plug the old cords into the new modem and all
>>>>>>>>>>>>would once again be well. WRONG! Earthlink
>>>>>>>>>>>>switched brands of modems, would give me
>>>>>>>>>>>>absolutely no tech support - only told me I
>>>>>>>>>>>>would first have to subscribe to their home-
>>>>>>>>>>>>networking service. I was not kind, patience
>>>>>>>>>>>>worn thin after 2.5 hours of playing around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I finally screamed at the guy, *can you tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>me that if I pay your silly fee you will push
>>>>>>>>>>>>the magic switch to make my modem communicate
>>>>>>>>>>>>with my router?* Only to be told that
>>>>>>>>>>>>customer service could give me all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>details. I have a feeling that my questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>were not covered in their manual.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>So on a whim I called Linksys, spoke to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>wonderfully kind young man who had me up and
>>>>>>>>>>>>running in a few minutes. Seems that for some
>>>>>>>>>>>>reason the router ran on wrong settings with
>>>>>>>>>>>>the last modem - and of course I kept
>>>>>>>>>>>>switching to those wrong settings when trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>to get this one going. Makes no sense to me,
>>>>>>>>>>>>but it did to him and I guess that's all that
>>>>>>>>>>>>matters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:07 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG - re: using the wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>adapter more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:12 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL! Guess I could say the same where the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dusting and vacuuming are concerned,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>although laundry is constantly going. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ordered a new vacuum yesterday, have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>idea why - probably won't use the thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>very often. I would have used the wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>router more. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:38:06 -0800, Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, then I guess I should get points for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry and dusting and vacuuming since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>do them so infrequently my body definitely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>finds them foreign exercise!!!!! (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:40:01 -0600, Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't take those laundry points either,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nor the vacuuming, dusting - general
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>stuff that I do easily or routinely. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm spending the entire day on one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity, then I may rethink things. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>just no how my brain works, and the *old*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>me would have seen that indicator from ww
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>saying that laundry was great exercise,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and it would have been one more excuse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not to do anything else. And since I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>spent the majority of my life doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>laundry ... and not losing weight ... I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>figure laundry is not the exercise option
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for me. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:32:46 -0600, "Miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Violette" <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As far as the laundry goes, since I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the majority of it I do not take the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>points as it is a regular activity for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>me, I only take points for things that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>normally do not do. I also think this is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>why I have lost as well as I have even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>though I have not done formal exercise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But having said that you also bend,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>stretch, lift and haul during laundry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and in my case I walk the length of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>house to put them all away. I took the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>APs for the big laundry adventure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>because it was non stop moving for seven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hours with just three small breaks. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>does seem that along with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>discrepancy in points eaten Vs calories
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>used is part of the mystery of WW but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>along with that I think we get used to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>some activities so we actually,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eventually adapt to the activity so we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>must at least change or add in order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eat the points, Lee, who thinks she and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joyce are related Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><[email hidden]> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>message news:18nm30d1a1omsnsoe3r6374al7-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more mudslides - too bad (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll move stuff up here. Activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points are definitely a oddball factor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in WW. I think, though, that you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct - they are intended as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positive benefit and help weightloss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that the point values may be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat skewed so that you gain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit even if you eat the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calories/points. But like you, even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though I was very active in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hiking/etc, it is much easier now and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not earning as many points but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to be hungrier. But I have 60
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pounds less fuel to burn. I guess we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should not second guess this stuff -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we know that it works pretty well and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do constantly come up with new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tweaks (probably both for commercial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons and practical reasons.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep on doing what works and keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questioning how and why on some days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to just keep the mind fresh (G)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:46:06 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:50:10 -0800,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Fred <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:40:11 -0600,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:09:51 -0800,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Fred <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>You may be right. Too little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>main course might lead to even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>more snacking. The body may just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>want to hold at this weight. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>just need to cater to it. A WW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>leader who shall remain nameless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>has suggested that my weekend's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>probably need more food. After
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>all I am not still burning off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>the self-storage points that use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>to gather around my waist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>I have a feeling you may be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>finding or accepting the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>thing that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>we're just where our bodies want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>or need to be. Up/down a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pounds, it all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>balances out - but no dramatic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>drops that seem to stay in place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>permanently. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>think Lesanne hit the nail on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>head in a prior post when she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>are still losing weight easily,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>then we aren't *there* yet. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thinking, my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>friend, we are there ... whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>we like it or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>I think you are right - I'm doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>a good job of just wobbling in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>- like riding a bicycle - a bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> left and bit right and mostly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> straight ahead. A bit up, a bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> down and mostly right on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> MAINTENANCE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Which is as it should be when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>are where you belong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Yup, I think it is finally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>registering with me that seesawing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>a bit is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>just going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to be a fact of life. Down again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>today, back to where I was last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>killed off the mudslides tonite -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>so probably back up tomorrow. <G> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Well, since I read down below, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>think you needed the mudslide to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>clear up the activity points issue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>(g) Other than the fact that I will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>not wi officially if I'm too late on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Weds, I think this might be another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>slightly up week - so says the scale
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>this morning. I need a down week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>again! Oh, still under goal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Up a teeny bit this morning, which I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >expected - nothing major. And that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bottle is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >now gone, out, been removed from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >premises ... so it will no longer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bother me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Probably be another year before I see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >one again. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>I may experiment a bit. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>the snacking was better last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>night -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>that's two nights after the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>weekend. And I recall it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>week. Or is it just that today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>is WI and my mind accepts LESS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>For the most part my snacking has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>been pretty well under control,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with exception
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to last week. <G> Don't know what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>got into me or why. The last few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>days I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>haven't felt those same hunger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>munchies that nothing would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>satisfy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>to keep better track of these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>episodes? I wonder if they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything to do with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>hitting a lower than usual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>weight, like the body sending
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>signals to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eat, eat, eat!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Well, that's the ol' set point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>theory which, of course, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>definitely accepted as the reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>why we could not get the excess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>weight off BEFORE we got it off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>But I am sure that the body does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>have its limits. Starvation mode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>or a modest form of it, I'm sure,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>is working to keep the body
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>working correctly and nourished
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>right. I do know (I wrote to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Lesanne) that I am not noticeably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>hungry but just snacking. Are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>those the signals that I really do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>need those snacks? They are better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>snacks than years past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Hmmmmm, not sure what to tell you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>on this one. I do snack, usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(but not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>always, I'm not a saint) healthier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>options - but it definitely is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nowhere near the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>amount that I was snacking on last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>year. When I hit those constant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>phases, I am definitely noticeably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>hungry ... to myself and everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>else. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>stomach is grumbling loudly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>sometimes a little lightheaded or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>just not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>quite right. Then there are the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>times when I am just bored and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>eating
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>seems to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>the thing to do. THAT'S what I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to get control of ... as I sit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>here in front
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>of my computer, definitely not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>hungry, yet there is a bowl of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>meringues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>right in front of me. I may go dump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>them back into the container.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Yesterday it was Meringues, mango
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>and on the bike ride, that breakfast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>cookie. too much stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Today *feels* like one of those days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >to me. Have you ever just felt like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >really overdone things - yet when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >thinking it all out it really wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>THAT bad?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Well, that's where I'm at today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Something I've eaten has left me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >incredibly full and bloated ... no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >idea what, nothing I can really put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>finger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >on. The only good thing about feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >this way is that it keeps me from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>snacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I haven't had one snack all day long.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Ok, here's something else I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>thinking about today ... and I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>probably way off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>base, but in my head it somewhat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>makes some sense. Regarding the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>amount of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity points earned, and eaten.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I understand that 100 calories
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>expended = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>activity point, and this made sense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>to me as I was losing weight. Ok,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>so what if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>roughly 50 calories = 1 point , if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>we ate all AP's we earned, we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>still lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight. I figured ww had us working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>in somewhat of a deficit mode,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>does make sense. BUT ... since we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>are trying to maintain ... by still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>with those same numbers, are we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>somewhat doing ourselves in by not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eating enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>and then ending up going on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>rampage a day or so later? Did I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>convey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>my thoughts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>well enough for anyone to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>understand? I guess this came into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>today when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>was thinking about the Wendy's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>frosty I had splurged on last week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Roughly 13
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points for a large one (I really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>splurged!) ... 600 or close to it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>calories.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Normally I think that it would take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>about 4 or 5 days to earn enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>points to work it off. Today for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>some reason my brain kicked into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>calorie mode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>instead ... which told me that no,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>it really is only 2 workout
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>sessions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>treadmill. So if I've been working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>my tail off everyday, and only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eating what ww
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>says I've earned ... could that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>explain those hungry days? And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>explain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>why my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>weight didn't skyrocket as I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>anticipated it would when I did hit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that feeding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>frenzy?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Interesting. I was never quite clear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>on converting points to calories and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>activity points/exercise is even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>more or maybe less clear but you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>folks with TOYS that calculate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>calories burned might have a better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>handle on things. So you think WW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>did not quite tell us the truth?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>(G) That could explain why I lost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> so well during the program - I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> was getting in the main 15-30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> activity points on a weekend a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> some more during the week. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I was better at limiting the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> snacking back then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>- driven to succeed. Or maybe since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I had my own FAT points to burn, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> did not need or desire the extra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> points I am now consuming.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I'm going on information passed along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >by others, as to the calorie vs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>points
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >conversions. And I really have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >idea if what I'm *thinking* makes any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sense at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >all, or has any truth behind it ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >or if I'm just outthinking myself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>once again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >My cynical mind has me thinking that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the calorie difference between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>points eaten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >and activity points is probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >because most people will figure those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >points high in the beginning ... have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >no idea as to what is really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>considered high
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >exertion. I know my perception was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >quite different when I was sitting at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>220
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >pounds, than it is now. Heck, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >cruising the neighborhood leisurely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >chore to me. <g> So by giving double
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >credit (so to speak) even if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>figured high,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >you should still lose some weight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I'm also thinking of ww telling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>people that 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >minutes of doing laundry is worth 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >activity points ... still can't quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>figure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >that out since 30 minutes of laundry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >for me is pretty much nothing other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>than a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >few trips up and down the stairs ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >definitely less exertion than 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>minutes on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the treadmill. I do think that drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >to succeed is also a BIG factor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>While I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >still have that drive and still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >consider myself as trying to succeed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>goal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >itself has definitely changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>I'm confused again. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Same here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just another constant in my life. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >used to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Joyce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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