Turtley OT post (if not Wrong Group! ;-) - hope I avoid RAW nerves !!

<Steve Orrell> wrote in message
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| Well, that's it, I've been and gone and done it, I've
| bought meself a veritable brick with the styling of a
| caravan site!
|
| I've swapped <cough> my superb Sony V1, with its elegant
| looks, superb results and wonderful size and weight for a
| Canon G5 which has the aesthetic appeal of a fire brick
| and the weight to match!! ;-) Hmm, it was a move I chose
| to make but as the saying goes "Must Grrrumble!!"

Can't believe you swapped, you're almost in tears here! ;-)

| Admittedly the Can[n]on has the better spec, I hate to say
| this because of the prentions it suggests, for the "more
| serious" photographer; I went for it because of the filter
| option(s) and this RAW thingummy.

I've got a Cokin filter holder, and use A series Cokin
filters. To be honest, whilst the ND filters can save many
shots, I can never be bothered to get them out my bag and
use them! :-) ...not for snaps anyway! ;-) ;-) ;-)

| And there's the rub!!
|
| Now I've got RAW... what do I do with it?? I mean
| Photoshop has a nice new window thing to twiddle about
| with "things" but I'm supposed to be past the "twiddley"
| stage, no? :-) How best can I maximise the advantages that
| RAW gives me in terms of maintaining the integrity (ie
| minimising degradation) ot t'ut' original image? Anything
| else I should be aware of / practices I should adopt?

For the Canon G5 (which is what I've got), you can save the
file as a 16bit TIF file, which is the highest quality, with
no degraduation. Using the RAW file converter, you can also
adjust the white balance, the sharpening, the colour
saturation, and the contrast. Personally, I just tend to
convert them as a 16 bit TIF file, adjust the white balance
to what looks best in the preview window, then leave the
other settings alone.

| and, and what do I use to look at the files on the camera;
| using the Sony was eeee-asy; the file browser recognised
| the Sony's memory as another "drive". With this Can[n]on I
| have no such luxury ;-) Sure there's a file manager thingy
| bundled with it, but I need yet another piece of software
| like an ole in the head; is there a way around this
| browsing situation... or a beter piece of software to do
| it with?

I don't actually use the Canon File Viewer to convert or
view my images. I thought it worked too slow, and the
previews were too slow. After reading through Luminious
Landscapes, I noticed that BreezeBrowser got a good review,
with Michael Reichmann saying that "if you are a Canon
digital SLR owner this is the program for viewing and
converting your files:": luminous-luminous-Open ↗
landscape.com/reviews/breezebrowser.shtml

Anyway, you can download the full version from here:
breezesys.comindex.htmOpen ↗ It's a full
working version, except you are limited to reviewing a
certain number of images. But if you download and install
it, go to the Help menu, click Register, and then enter your
registration details (email me! ;-) ), you can use it as a
full version with no limits.

For generally viewing files, I use IrfanView, which is also
a free program: irfanview.comirfanview.comOpen ↗ There's a plugin
that's either included or available from the website (sorry,
i can't remember), and it lets you view Canon RAW files
using this. You can adjust the file viewing options so you
can see a quick preview of the image extremtly quickly, or
you can see a full resolution preview if you don't mind
waiting for 10 seconds (on my slow computer anyway).

Compared to using JPEG's, this is all a pain in the [censored], I
must admit, and I took my first 4,500 images as JPEG's! But
I wish I hadn't know, as when you want to go back to an
image and adjust it, it's nice to have the best possible
quality version of that image to work with, as well as being
able to adjust things with the RAW file when converting.

| As my topic title says, sorry this post is OT.. and it
| might well be WG ;-) but at least I didn't mention Wales
| !!! <doh!> that's torn it!! /me ducks and runs ;-)

Nahh, there's more photography talked about than walking in
this group! ;-) But I guess that it's kept on-topic because
it doesn't matter whether people walk to take photos, or
walk and take photos, it's all part of the same subject.
(IMVHO) :-)

| cheors
|
| SteveO

Ste

<Steve Orrell> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Well, that's it, I've been and gone and done it, I've
bought meself a veritable brick with the styling of a
caravan site!

I've swapped <cough> my superb Sony V1, with its elegant
looks, superb results and wonderful size and weight for a
Canon G5 which has the aesthetic appeal of a fire brick
and the weight to match!! ;-)

Well done that man! Wheredja buy it from? How much? etc?

Quoted message said:

and, and what do I use to look at the files on the camera;
using the Sony was eeee-asy; the file browser recognised
the Sony's memory as another "drive". With this Can[n]on I
have no such luxury ;-) Sure there's a file manager thingy
bundled with it, but I need yet another piece of software
like an ole in the head;

ITYM "OLE in the head" :-) :-)

Quoted message said:

is there a way around this browsing situation... or a
beter piece of software to do it with?

Hardware: a card reader is really cheap these days. Check
www.crucial.com etc.

Quoted message said:

As my topic title says, sorry this post is OT.. and it
might well be WG ;-) but at least I didn't mention
Wales !!!

This is a photo newsgroup isn't it?????

At least it's not like uk.rec.climbing, which is now
entirely about driving 4WD toys offroad....

--
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<<Tiens! Ce poulet a une grenade!

stemc © said:

<Steve Orrell> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

| I've swapped <cough> my superb Sony V1, with its elegant
| looks, superb results and wonderful size and weight for a
| Canon G5 which has the aesthetic appeal of a fire brick
| and the weight to match!! ;-)

Can't believe you swapped, you're almost in tears here! ;-)

Aye, I pondered even before if I was doing the right thing,
so to speak, the Sony is a superb camera in a lot of ways. I
made the move for "technical reasons" (fnarr!) because the
Can[n]on[TM] does have the edge in techiness; but in looks,
weight, layout; ye gads!

Quoted message said:

| photographer; I went for it because of the filter
| option(s) and this RAW thingummy.

I've got a Cokin filter holder,

I'm particularly lookig forward to using a polarising filter
again... not since the days of my 301 <sigh> ;-)

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| Now I've got RAW... what do I do with it??

For the Canon G5 (which is what I've got), you can save the
file as a 16bit TIF file, which is the highest quality,
with no degraduation.

<snip>

Quoted message said:

I don't actually use the Canon File Viewer to convert or
view my images. I thought it worked too slow,

I've noticed that already, its pants!

Quoted message said:

BreezeBrowser got a good review,

The biggest difficulty I've had at the mo' is viewing the
files on the camera, either prior to downloading to PC or
trying to see the files after downloading to then delete
them. Talk about convoluted! MS Explorer can "see" the
camera (and files) but is pants for file browsing. Me fave
file browser just couldn't see the Can[n]on[TM] (had no prob
with Sony and don't understand why difficulties with this
one 'cos its "just" another USB device, no?

I may well have a look at BreezeBrowser, although it says it
can't communicate with the camera... my copy of ACDSee can't
rotate the RAWs (else I've broken it!! ;-)

Quoted message said:

For generally viewing files, I use IrfanView,

I've not tried Irfan, if it makes getting the photies from
the camera and roughly organising them a simple operation
(before doing anything else) then I might look further

Quoted message said:

Compared to using JPEG's, this is all a pain in the [censored], I
must admit, and I took my first 4,500 images as JPEG's!

Really, that's not my experience at all ;-)

Quoted message said:

But I wish I hadn't know, as when you want to go back to an
image and adjust it, it's nice to have the best possible
quality version of that image to work with, as well as
being able to adjust things with the RAW file when
converting.

I haven't made it to Photoshop with any of my shots yet;
although I can see the artyfarty appeal in processing
"Laundry Basket - half full or half empty?". An intellectual
arena I'm least qualified to enter... "Laundry Basket - full
or overflowing?" more my field ;-)

But, on this route to to photographic nirvana can you
confirm one thing for me, the route is take RAW photie ->
convert to 16b TIFF -> save -> open in PS (or somesuch). Do
you actually save the RAW or does the TIFF format preserve
everything you want preserving?

SteveO

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Mark South said:

Well done that man! Wheredja buy it from? How much? etc?

Erm, you really want to know? 330 UKP, eBay, and yes its new
and yes its UK spec ;-) I hit lucky :-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is there a way around this browsing situation... or a
beter piece of software to do it with?

Hardware: a card reader is really cheap these days. Check
www.crucial.com etc.

Ah, can see where they would be an advantage, hmmm.

Quoted message said:

This is a photo newsgroup isn't it?????

Yup, and walking in a certain principality a good deal to
the south and west of my abode ;-)

Quoted message said:

At least it's not like uk.rec.climbing, which is now
entirely about driving 4WD toys offroad....

Ban em all from "open" countryside is what I say

and from roads as well, especially the skool run!!

SteveO

NE Climbers & walkers chat forum;
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<Steve Orrell> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

stemc © said:

<Steve Orrell> wrote in message

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I don't actually use the Canon File Viewer to convert or
view my images.

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

thought it worked too slow,

I've noticed that already, its pants!

Quoted message said:

BreezeBrowser got a good review,

The biggest difficulty I've had at the mo' is viewing the
files on the camera, either prior to downloading to PC or
trying to see the files after downloading to then delete
them. Talk about convoluted! MS Explorer can "see" the
camera (and files) but is pants for file browsing. Me fave
file browser just couldn't see the Can[n]on[TM] (had no
prob with Sony and don't understand why difficulties with
this one 'cos its "just" another USB device, no?

I may well have a look at BreezeBrowser, although it says
it can't communicate with the camera... my copy of ACDSee
can't rotate the RAWs (else I've broken it!! ;-)

Okay, I thought your problem was converting the files that
were already on your computer? But it sounds as though your
problem starts when you've got a camera with all your
images on, connect it to the USB cable, then want to
transfer them onto your PC? I actually use the Canon
software to do this, I think it's called Zoom Browser or
something. Just connect your camera, load the program,
choose the Camera or Memory Card option, then select the
images you want to download. Easy! ;-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

For generally viewing files, I use IrfanView,

I've not tried Irfan, if it makes getting the photies from
the camera and roughly organising them a simple operation
(before doing anything else) then I might look further

No, I use IrfanView to actually view the files that have
already been uploaded to my PC. ;-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Compared to using JPEG's, this is all a pain in the [censored],
I must admit,

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I took my first 4,500 images as JPEG's!

Really, that's not my experience at all ;-)

No, never! :-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But I wish I hadn't know, as when you want to go back to
an image and adjust it, it's nice to have the best
possible quality version of that image to work with, as
well as being

able

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to adjust things with the RAW file when converting.

I haven't made it to Photoshop with any of my shots yet;
although I can see the artyfarty appeal in processing
"Laundry Basket - half full or half empty?". An
intellectual arena I'm least qualified to enter...
"Laundry Basket - full or overflowing?" more my field ;-)

But, on this route to to photographic nirvana can you
confirm one thing for me, the route is take RAW photie ->
convert to 16b TIFF -> save -> open in PS (or somesuch).

Yes, that's pretty much it! ;-) Of course, when you convert
to 16bit TIF, you can adjust the white balance, sharpness,
saturation, and contrast, etc. I was experimenting with this
yesterday, and I was actually getting good results from
using the High Sharpness, then using Neat Image to clean up
the extra noise. By the way, Neat Image is excellent, and
Genuine Fractals is good for making images bigger etc. ;-)

Quoted message said:

Do you actually save the RAW or does the TIFF format
preserve everything you want preserving?

The RAW file is the digital negative, if you like. It will
always stay there as a *.crw file, unless you delete it.
When you process your RAW images, it creates a seperate file
of your choice, either a JPEG or a TIF file or whatever.
This file is definitely separate from the original RAW, so
that's the good thing - you can always go back to the
original 'negative' and start again.

Quoted message said:

SteveO

Ste

<Steve Orrell> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Mark South said:

Well done that man! Wheredja buy it from? How much? etc?

Erm, you really want to know? 330 UKP, eBay, and yes its
new and yes its UK spec ;-) I hit lucky :-)

Not bad for ripoff UK pricing. Nice going. I remember buying
a 2 megapixel camera for around that much....

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is there a way around this browsing situation... or a
beter piece of software to do it with?

Hardware: a card reader is really cheap these days. Check
www.crucial.com etc.

Ah, can see where they would be an advantage, hmmm.

Seriously, they almost give them away with memory cards now.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

This is a photo newsgroup isn't it?????

Yup, and walking in a certain principality a good deal to
the south and west of my abode ;-)

FX: Checks threads.

Nope, you're wrong, it's about digital cameras, French map
grids, Birmingham toll roads, gas in the Pyrenees, getting
lost on the Everest South Col, changing US dollars, clothing
for Buffaloes (unclear whether Asian, African, or North
American) and the possibility of teaching netiquette to
Eugene Miya.

Nothing about *walking* in the *uk*

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

At least it's not like uk.rec.climbing, which is now
entirely about driving 4WD toys offroad....

Ban em all from "open" countryside is what I say

A very moderate opinion compared to mine. My solution is to
fine every owner of a 4wd the equivalent of 5 years salary,
forcing them to wear a T-shirt that says "What the HELL was
I thinking?? I could just get off my ASS and WALK!!!!!" for
the rest of their life, and crushing the "vehicles" into
little cubes and dumping them outside 10 Downing Street. The
day of crushing would ideally be declared an annual public
holiday in perpetuity.

Quoted message said:

and from roads as well, especially the skool run!!

Make the little buggers WALK I say! In the UK! (*)

(*) Hey, it's on-topic!!!
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<<Tiens! Ce poulet a une grenade!

Just out of curiosity, are you U172039?

U54363

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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| Just out of curiosity, are you U172039?
|
| U54363
|
| --
| Guy

Hi Guy,

Sorry, that's not me I'm afraid. When I first read it, I
thought you were giving me a grid reference or something, as
I didn't have a clue what you were on about!

But I typed those two codes into Yahoo, and they've brought
me up some BBC web pages, one for you, and one for another
Ste. I'm a couple of years younger than that Ste, and I live
in England rather than America.

Interestingly though, that other Ste lists the band Joy
Division as one of his interests! That's my favourite band
ever! So it's a coincidence, as normally, nobody I know has
even heard of them, never mind like them! It's a small
world... :-)

Take care,

Ste

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:26:00 -0000, "stemc ©" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Sorry, that's not me I'm afraid. When I first read it, I
thought you were giving me a grid reference or something,
as I didn't have a clue what you were on about!

Ah, but if you had been you'd have known ;-) His handle
includes "ymaelodi a'r ymylon" which are be sounding Welsh
to oi, so I thort he mite of been from hereabouts.

The root of all this is www.h2g2.com which I no longer do
much on, but used to be a devotee in the days when it was
run by The Digital Village (prop: Douglas Adams).

--
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sorry, that's not me I'm afraid. When I first read it, I
thought you

were

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

giving me a grid reference or something, as I didn't have
a clue what you were on about!

Ah, but if you had been you'd have known ;-) His handle
includes "ymaelodi a'r ymylon" which are be sounding Welsh
to oi, so I thort he mite of been from hereabouts.

The root of all this is www.h2g2.com which I no longer do
much on, but used to be a devotee in the days when it was
run by The Digital Village (prop: Douglas Adams).

Sorry to bring up more things Welsh.

"Ymaelodi A'r Ymylon" translates as "Joining the Periphery"
and is the title of a track on the Super Furry Animals 2000
album, "Mwng". (Overall a decent album but not one of their
better tracks IMHO).

Gwyn

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:46:56 -0000, "stemc ©" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Okay, I thought your problem was converting the files that
were already on your computer?

That was the gist of the original reason for posting... in
anticpation of just this situation

Quoted message said:

But it sounds as though your problem starts when you've got
a camera with all your images on, connect it to the USB
cable, then want to transfer them onto your PC?

Aye, I fell before the first hurdle <doh!>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

For generally viewing files, I use IrfanView,

I've not tried Irfan, if it makes getting the photies
from the camera and roughly organising them a simple
operation (before doing anything else) then I might look
further

No, I use IrfanView to actually view the files that have
already been uploaded to my PC. ;-)

Ah, just as you said, above; the sneaky approach!! but but
but that's wot Breezy does, no?

Quoted message said:

By the way, Neat Image is excellent, and Genuine Fractals
is good for making images bigger etc. ;-)

Neat Image? Genuine Fractals? Never come across these; you
say GF makes images bigger?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Do you actually save the RAW or does the TIFF format
preserve everything you want preserving?

The RAW file is the digital negative, if you like.

Ah, thanks for that, makey sense now. (I'm sure I knew that
anyway, but had filed that snippet away somewhere)

SteveO

NE Climbers & walkers chat forum;
thenmc.org.ukindex.phpOpen ↗

NMC website: thenmc.org.ukthenmc.org.ukOpen ↗

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:46:56 -0000, "stemc ©" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Okay, I thought your problem was converting the files that
were already on your computer?

That was the gist of the original reason for posting... in
anticpation of just this situation

Quoted message said:

But it sounds as though your problem starts when you've got
a camera with all your images on, connect it to the USB
cable, then want to transfer them onto your PC?

Aye, I fell before the first hurdle <doh!>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

For generally viewing files, I use IrfanView,

I've not tried Irfan, if it makes getting the photies
from the camera and roughly organising them a simple
operation (before doing anything else) then I might look
further

No, I use IrfanView to actually view the files that have
already been uploaded to my PC. ;-)

Ah, just as you said, above; the sneaky approach!! but but
but that's wot Breezy does, no?

Quoted message said:

By the way, Neat Image is excellent, and Genuine Fractals
is good for making images bigger etc. ;-)

Neat Image? Genuine Fractals? Never come across these; you
say GF makes images bigger?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Do you actually save the RAW or does the TIFF format
preserve everything you want preserving?

The RAW file is the digital negative, if you like.

Ah, thanks for that, makey sense now. (I'm sure I knew that
anyway, but had filed that snippet away somewhere)

SteveO

NE Climbers & walkers chat forum;
thenmc.org.ukindex.phpOpen ↗

NMC website: thenmc.org.ukthenmc.org.ukOpen ↗

Mark South said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hardware: a card reader is really cheap these days.
Check www.crucial.com etc.

Ah, can see where they would be an advantage, hmmm.

Seriously, they almost give them away with memory
cards now.

Is there such a thing as a "hands free" card reader whereby,
if you;re away from your PC for an extended period, you can
read/dowload your card data onto said device and thereby
freeing up that card for more piccies?

Quoted message said:

FX: Checks threads.

Quoted message said:

clothing for Buffaloes (unclear whether Asian, African, or
North American)

European? And what they doing running around naked?

Quoted message said:

and the possibility of teaching netiquette to Eugene Miya.

Nothing about *walking* in the *uk*

Ah, I _am_ in the right group ;-)

<snip>

Quoted message said:

(*) Hey, it's on-topic!!!

yeah. 'course I believe you !! (especially since I snipped
the toppicy bit ;-)

SteveO

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Mark South said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hardware: a card reader is really cheap these days.
Check www.crucial.com etc.

Ah, can see where they would be an advantage, hmmm.

Seriously, they almost give them away with memory
cards now.

Is there such a thing as a "hands free" card reader whereby,
if you;re away from your PC for an extended period, you can
read/dowload your card data onto said device and thereby
freeing up that card for more piccies?

Quoted message said:

FX: Checks threads.

Quoted message said:

clothing for Buffaloes (unclear whether Asian, African, or
North American)

European? And what they doing running around naked?

Quoted message said:

and the possibility of teaching netiquette to Eugene Miya.

Nothing about *walking* in the *uk*

Ah, I _am_ in the right group ;-)

<snip>

Quoted message said:

(*) Hey, it's on-topic!!!

yeah. 'course I believe you !! (especially since I snipped
the toppicy bit ;-)

SteveO

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Steve Orrell said:

Mark South said:

Quoted message said:

>Hardware: a card reader is really cheap these days.
>Check www.crucial.com etc.

Ah, can see where they would be an advantage, hmmm.

Seriously, they almost give them away with memory
cards now.

Is there such a thing as a "hands free" card reader
whereby, if you;re away from your PC for an extended
period, you can read/dowload your card data onto said
device and thereby freeing up that card for more piccies?

Yes. This is just one example: central-central-Open ↗
camera.com/Digital/miscellany/apacer-cp200.htm

--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the
"Westminster Gasworks"

Steve Orrell said:

Mark South said:

Quoted message said:

>Hardware: a card reader is really cheap these days.
>Check www.crucial.com etc.

Ah, can see where they would be an advantage, hmmm.

Seriously, they almost give them away with memory
cards now.

Is there such a thing as a "hands free" card reader
whereby, if you;re away from your PC for an extended
period, you can read/dowload your card data onto said
device and thereby freeing up that card for more piccies?

Yes. This is just one example: central-central-Open ↗
camera.com/Digital/miscellany/apacer-cp200.htm

--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the
"Westminster Gasworks"

<Steve Orrell> wrote in message
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| On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:46:56 -0000, "stemc ©"
| <[email hidden]> wrote:
|
|
| >Okay, I thought your problem was converting the files
| >that were already
on
| >your computer?
|
| That was the gist of the original reason for posting... in
| anticpation of just this situation

Hey, don't anticipate, just do! ;-)

| >But it sounds as though your problem starts when you've
| >got a camera with all your images on, connect it to the
| >USB cable, then want
to
| >transfer them onto your PC?
|
| Aye, I fell before the first hurdle <doh!>

Shameful, Steve! :-)

| >> >For generally viewing files, I use IrfanView,
| >>
| >> I've not tried Irfan, if it makes getting the photies
| >> from the camera and roughly organising them a simple
| >> operation (before doing anything else) then I might
| >> look further
| >
| >No, I use IrfanView to actually view the files that have
| >already been uploaded to my PC. ;-)
|
| Ah, just as you said, above; the sneaky approach!! but but
| but that's wot Breezy does, no?

I use BreezeBrowser to load and convert the RAW files, but I
use IrfanView to view full-screen versions of the images
(RAW previews or Jpegs), and I can scroll through a folder
of images this way, one image at a time. If you use Windows
XP, then I use IrfanView in the same was as Windows Picture
and Fax Viewer - which, by the way, is an excellent piece of
software, and it's disappointing that you can't use this
with Windows 2000... :-(

| >By the way, Neat Image is excellent, and Genuine Fractals
| >is good for making images bigger etc. ;-)
|
| Neat Image? Genuine Fractals? Never come across these; you
| say GF makes images bigger?

Well you mustn't read Paul Saunder's posts often! ;-) (a
Google search for Neat Image in this group is recommended)
Neat Image gets rid of noise, and does an excellent job of
it too. If you ever read on dpreview how the G5 has more
noise than some other cameras, then if you think it's a
problem (and it shouldn't be if you use ISO50), then use
Neat Image to clean it up.

Genuine Fractals is great for interpolating images, like if
you wanted to print a G5 image at A3 and 300dpi, for
example. It does a better job of enlarging than the standard
Photoshop resizing.

| >> Do you actually save the RAW or does the TIFF format
| >> preserve everything you want preserving?
| >
| >The RAW file is the digital negative, if you like.
|
| Ah, thanks for that, makey sense now. (I'm sure I knew
| that anyway, but had filed that snippet away somewhere)

Yeah, of course you knew it. You were just testing me with
an easy question weren't you! ;-)

|| SteveO

<Steve Orrell> wrote in message
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| On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:46:56 -0000, "stemc ©"
| <[email hidden]> wrote:
|
|
| >Okay, I thought your problem was converting the files
| >that were already
on
| >your computer?
|
| That was the gist of the original reason for posting... in
| anticpation of just this situation

Hey, don't anticipate, just do! ;-)

| >But it sounds as though your problem starts when you've
| >got a camera with all your images on, connect it to the
| >USB cable, then want
to
| >transfer them onto your PC?
|
| Aye, I fell before the first hurdle <doh!>

Shameful, Steve! :-)

| >> >For generally viewing files, I use IrfanView,
| >>
| >> I've not tried Irfan, if it makes getting the photies
| >> from the camera and roughly organising them a simple
| >> operation (before doing anything else) then I might
| >> look further
| >
| >No, I use IrfanView to actually view the files that have
| >already been uploaded to my PC. ;-)
|
| Ah, just as you said, above; the sneaky approach!! but but
| but that's wot Breezy does, no?

I use BreezeBrowser to load and convert the RAW files, but I
use IrfanView to view full-screen versions of the images
(RAW previews or Jpegs), and I can scroll through a folder
of images this way, one image at a time. If you use Windows
XP, then I use IrfanView in the same was as Windows Picture
and Fax Viewer - which, by the way, is an excellent piece of
software, and it's disappointing that you can't use this
with Windows 2000... :-(

| >By the way, Neat Image is excellent, and Genuine Fractals
| >is good for making images bigger etc. ;-)
|
| Neat Image? Genuine Fractals? Never come across these; you
| say GF makes images bigger?

Well you mustn't read Paul Saunder's posts often! ;-) (a
Google search for Neat Image in this group is recommended)
Neat Image gets rid of noise, and does an excellent job of
it too. If you ever read on dpreview how the G5 has more
noise than some other cameras, then if you think it's a
problem (and it shouldn't be if you use ISO50), then use
Neat Image to clean it up.

Genuine Fractals is great for interpolating images, like if
you wanted to print a G5 image at A3 and 300dpi, for
example. It does a better job of enlarging than the standard
Photoshop resizing.

| >> Do you actually save the RAW or does the TIFF format
| >> preserve everything you want preserving?
| >
| >The RAW file is the digital negative, if you like.
|
| Ah, thanks for that, makey sense now. (I'm sure I knew
| that anyway, but had filed that snippet away somewhere)

Yeah, of course you knew it. You were just testing me with
an easy question weren't you! ;-)

|| SteveO

"stemc ©" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Interestingly though, that other Ste lists the band Joy
Division as one of his interests! That's my favourite band
ever! So it's a coincidence, as normally, nobody I know
has even heard of them, never mind like them!

It's

Quoted message said:

a small world... :-)

I like 'em. Sadly a bit before my time to have seen live but
I've got a video tape bit of Ian Curtis looking a bit mental
from Whistle Test.