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  1. Original post
    Tritonrider
    Archived post
    #1

    In Kraig Willett's article on power meters Andy is the expert opinion. Why should you train with
    power? Dr. Andrew Coggan, a well-respected exercise physiologist, and long-time cycling power meter
    user says, “The primary advantage to measuring power is that, compared to HR, it provides both a
    more direct and more immediate answer to the question 'how hard am I working?' That is, a rider’s
    power output directly determines not only how fast they can pedal down the road (or up a hill), but
    also their cardiovascular, metabolic, and perceptual responses (e.g., HR, lactate, perceived
    exertion) to doing so. Power is also measured in real time, without the lag inherent in HR. As a
    result, measuring power makes it possible to better regulate, or at the very least assess, the
    overall intensity of training.

    Another piece of evidence for Andy leading RBRs Top Ten club Bill C.

    Report
  2. Ken Papai
    Archived post
    #2

    So how does a cheap, lousy cat. III, without that much extra time on their hands measure their power
    without going through a lot of trouble?

    "TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    In Kraig Willett's article on power meters Andy is the expert opinion. Why should you train with
    power? Dr. Andrew Coggan, a well-respected


    exercise

    Quoted message said:

    physiologist, and long-time cycling power meter user says, "The primary advantage to measuring
    power is that, compared to HR, it provides both a


    more

    Quoted message said:

    direct and more immediate answer to the question 'how hard am I working?'


    That

    Quoted message said:

    is, a rider's power output directly determines not only how fast they can pedal down the road (or
    up a hill), but also their cardiovascular,


    metabolic,

    Quoted message said:

    and perceptual responses (e.g., HR, lactate, perceived exertion) to doing


    so.

    Quoted message said:

    Power is also measured in real time, without the lag inherent in HR. As a result, measuring power
    makes it possible to better regulate, or at the


    very

    Quoted message said:

    least assess, the overall intensity of training. Another piece of evidence for Andy leading RBRs
    Top Ten club Bill C.

    Report
  3. Tritonrider
    Archived post
    #3
    Quoted message said:

    From: "Ken Papai" [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    So how does a cheap, lousy cat. III, without that much extra time on their hands measure their
    power without going through a lot of trouble?

    The way they always have. Cat 3s are not elite racers. The young ones may be on the way, but they
    are not there yet. Let's face it, the ones who are going to go Cat1/Pro have displayed it earlier
    and have been guided to a whole new level of testing, regimentation, and training. My take was that
    this was targeted to Cat1/Pro riders. Andy would have to fill us in on this. We are getting into the
    Masters/Wannabe/Neverwas debate now. It is possible to upgrade through sustained effort and picking
    your races. The people who are going to the top are indicated, and supported fairly young. They are
    the ones who get the support and equipment Andy is talking about. Your average 30 year old cat 3 is
    SOL. Bill C

    Report
  4. Benjamin Weiner
    Archived post
    #4
    Ken Papai said:

    So how does a cheap, lousy cat. III, without that much extra time on their hands measure their
    power without going through a lot of trouble?

    Find a steady climb of known height and distance, ride up it, note your time, find the speed, plug
    the numbers into www.analyticcycling.com, Power & Speed > Power given Speed. Try to do it at several
    different times, and when there is not a strong wind. Do both a 5 min climb and a 30 min climb,
    you'll get different numbers.

    Then use Photoshop to draw up a bunch of cool looking graphs and tell all your riding partners about
    your watts per kg. Or just copy it off James Mattis's webpage.

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  5. One Of The Six
    Archived post
    #5

    I don't know about where you live, but around here there are many hills in forested (aka windless)
    areas. Just construct a route with the same hills and use your speedometer and/or timer and do
    intervals from the same start/stop positions. If you really want to get fancy and you can come up
    with accurate grade information, then you could go to analyticcycling and figure out the actual
    numbers for your power output (only neccessary for your ego).

    "Ken Papai" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    So how does a cheap, lousy cat. III, without that much extra time on their hands measure their
    power without going through a lot of trouble?

    Report
  6. Sam
    Archived post
    #6

    "TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In Kraig Willett's article on power meters Andy is the expert opinion. Why should you train with
    power? Dr. Andrew Coggan, a well-respected


    exercise

    Quoted message said:

    physiologist, and long-time cycling power meter user says, "The primary advantage to measuring
    power is that, compared to HR, it provides both a


    more

    Quoted message said:

    direct and more immediate answer to the question 'how hard am I working?'


    That

    Quoted message said:

    is, a rider's power output directly determines not only how fast they can pedal down the road (or
    up a hill), but also their cardiovascular,


    metabolic,

    Quoted message said:

    and perceptual responses (e.g., HR, lactate, perceived exertion) to doing


    so.

    Quoted message said:

    Power is also measured in real time, without the lag inherent in HR. As a result, measuring power
    makes it possible to better regulate, or at the


    very

    Quoted message said:

    least assess, the overall intensity of training.

    Another piece of evidence for Andy leading RBRs Top Ten club Bill C.

    I almost loost it when I saw his name there.....

    Report
  7. Deeznuts
    Archived post
    #7

    "Sam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In Kraig Willett's article on power meters Andy is the expert opinion. Why should you train with
    power? Dr. Andrew Coggan, a well-respected


    exercise

    Quoted message said:

    physiologist, and long-time cycling power meter user says, "The primary advantage to measuring
    power is that, compared to HR, it provides both a


    more

    Quoted message said:

    direct and more immediate answer to the question 'how hard am I working?'


    That

    Quoted message said:

    is, a rider's power output directly determines not only how fast they can pedal down the road
    (or up a hill), but also their cardiovascular,


    metabolic,

    Quoted message said:

    and perceptual responses (e.g., HR, lactate, perceived exertion) to doing


    so.

    Quoted message said:

    Power is also measured in real time, without the lag inherent in HR. As a result, measuring
    power makes it possible to better regulate, or at the


    very

    Quoted message said:

    least assess, the overall intensity of training.

    Another piece of evidence for Andy leading RBRs Top Ten club Bill C.

    I almost loost it when I saw his name there.....

    I know what you're saying man. I almost loost it too.

    Deez

    Report
  8. Danny Callen
    Archived post
    #8

    "TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "Ken Papai" [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    So how does a cheap, lousy cat. III, without that much extra time on their hands measure their
    power without going through a lot of trouble?

    The way they always have. Cat 3s are not elite racers. The young ones may


    be on

    Quoted message said:

    the way, but they are not there yet. Let's face it, the ones who are going to go Cat1/Pro have
    displayed it


    earlier

    Quoted message said:

    and have been guided to a whole new level of testing, regimentation, and training. My take was
    that this was targeted to Cat1/Pro riders. Andy would have


    to

    Quoted message said:

    fill us in on this. We are getting into the Masters/Wannabe/Neverwas debate now. It is


    possible to

    Quoted message said:

    upgrade through sustained effort and picking your races. The people who


    are

    Quoted message said:

    going to the top are indicated, and supported fairly young. They are the


    ones

    Quoted message said:

    who get the support and equipment Andy is talking about. Your average 30 year old cat 3 is
    SOL. Bill C

    Did you do too many shots of tequilla today Bill? I can measure power just fine for less than
    $500. I bought a Polar S710 for $200 from ubid.com and then the power Option for $250 from ebay.
    You just need to look for deals. Power is not for the elite. It's as simple as measuring HR and
    as Andy says is not susceptible to "conditions". If the average 30 year old Cat 3 can not afford
    that maybe they're spending too much time on their bike trying to be a wannabe and not enough
    time on a career??

    Danny Callen

    Report
  9. Warren
    Archived post
    #9
    In article said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "Danny Callen" [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    Power is not for the elite. It's as simple as measuring HR and as Andy says is not susceptible to
    "conditions". If the average 30 year old Cat 3 can not afford that maybe they're spending too
    much time on their bike trying to be a wannabe and not enough time on a career??

    Danny Callen


    Power data is a valuable training aid, no question about it. If you want to spend the money on
    it, it's a good thing. My comment was based on that a full regimen of testing and monitoring ie:
    Lactate threshold, VO2 max etc... are not needed for anyone but young up and coming riders.

    You don't think it's worth $75 to have Max Testa's lab test and interpret your LT and
    VO2max results?

    -WG

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  10. Kurgan Gringion
    Archived post
    #10

    "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    In article said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "Danny Callen" [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    Power is not for the elite. It's as simple as measuring HR and as Andy


    says

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is not susceptible to "conditions". If the average 30 year old Cat 3


    can not

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    afford that maybe they're spending too much time on their bike trying


    to be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a wannabe and not enough time on a career??

    Danny Callen


    Power data is a valuable training aid, no question about it. If you


    want to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    spend the money on it, it's a good thing. My comment was based on that a full regimen of testing
    and monitoring


    ie:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Lactate threshold, VO2 max etc... are not needed for anyone but young up


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    coming riders.

    You don't think it's worth $75 to have Max Testa's lab test and interpret your LT and VO2max
    results?

    Not if you're 20lbs. overweight.

    Report
  11. Sparhawk
    Archived post
    #11
    Danny Callen said:


    "TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "Ken Papai" [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    So how does a cheap, lousy cat. III, without that much extra time on their hands measure their
    power without going through a lot of trouble?

    The way they always have. Cat 3s are not elite racers. The young ones may


    be on

    Quoted message said:

    the way, but they are not there yet. Let's face it, the ones who are going to go Cat1/Pro have
    displayed it


    earlier

    Quoted message said:

    and have been guided to a whole new level of testing, regimentation, and training. My take was
    that this was targeted to Cat1/Pro riders. Andy would have


    to

    Quoted message said:

    fill us in on this. We are getting into the Masters/Wannabe/Neverwas debate now. It is


    possible to

    Quoted message said:

    upgrade through sustained effort and picking your races. The people who


    are

    Quoted message said:

    going to the top are indicated, and supported fairly young. They are the


    ones

    Quoted message said:

    who get the support and equipment Andy is talking about. Your average 30 year old cat 3 is
    SOL. Bill C

    Did you do too many shots of tequilla today Bill? I can measure power just fine for less than
    $500. I bought a Polar S710 for $200 from ubid.com and then the power Option for $250 from ebay.
    You just need to look for deals. Power is not for the elite. It's as simple as measuring HR and
    as Andy says is not susceptible to "conditions". If the average 30 year old Cat 3 can not afford
    that maybe they're spending too much time on their bike trying to be a wannabe and not enough
    time on a career??

    Danny Callen

    Measuring power is great but what do you compare it to, where is the data? The data bank?

    There just doesn't seem to be anyway to make an assessment based on power data because there
    isn't any.

    How does a Cat 1/2/3 racer know where he is in comparison to others in the same category?

    Or is power data so highly personal that it is worthless?

    Sparhawk

    Report
  12. Danny Callen
    Archived post
    #12

    "Sparhawk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Danny Callen said:


    "TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    >From: "Ken Papai" [email hidden]

    >So how does a cheap, lousy cat. III, without that much extra time on their hands measure their
    >power without going through a lot of trouble?

    The way they always have. Cat 3s are not elite racers. The young ones


    may

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    be on

    Quoted message said:

    the way, but they are not there yet. Let's face it, the ones who are going to go Cat1/Pro have
    displayed it


    earlier

    Quoted message said:

    and have been guided to a whole new level of testing, regimentation,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    training. My take was that this was targeted to Cat1/Pro riders. Andy would


    have

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:

    fill us in on this. We are getting into the Masters/Wannabe/Neverwas debate now. It is


    possible to

    Quoted message said:

    upgrade through sustained effort and picking your races. The people who


    are

    Quoted message said:

    going to the top are indicated, and supported fairly young. They are


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ones

    Quoted message said:

    who get the support and equipment Andy is talking about. Your average 30 year old cat 3 is SOL.
    Bill C

    Did you do too many shots of tequilla today Bill? I can measure power


    just

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    fine for less than $500. I bought a Polar S710 for $200 from ubid.com and then the power Option
    for $250 from ebay. You just need to look for


    deals.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Power is not for the elite. It's as simple as measuring HR and as Andy


    says

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is not susceptible to "conditions". If the average 30 year old Cat 3 can


    not

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    afford that maybe they're spending too much time on their bike trying to


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a wannabe and not enough time on a career??

    Danny Callen

    Measuring power is great but what do you compare it to, where is the data? The data bank?

    There just doesn't seem to be anyway to make an assessment based on power data because there
    isn't any.

    How does a Cat 1/2/3 racer know where he is in comparison to others in the same category?

    Or is power data so highly personal that it is worthless?

    Sparhawk

    You can do a Conconi test or step test on a trainer; comparisons are fairly well documented in Joe
    Friel's "Training Bible". It is more important that you use the power numbers to train your own
    strengths and weaknesses and track your progress..

    Danny Callen

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  13. Danny Callen
    Archived post
    #13

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, TritonRider <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    >From: "Danny Callen" [email hidden]

    >Power is not for the elite. It's as simple as measuring HR and as


    Andy

    Quoted message said:

    says

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >is not susceptible to "conditions". If the average 30 year old Cat 3


    can not

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >afford that maybe they're spending too much time on their bike trying


    to be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >a wannabe and not enough time on a career??
    >
    >Danny Callen
    >
    Power data is a valuable training aid, no question about it. If you


    want to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    spend the money on it, it's a good thing. My comment was based on that a full regimen of
    testing and monitoring


    ie:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Lactate threshold, VO2 max etc... are not needed for anyone but young


    up

    Quoted message said:

    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    coming riders.

    You don't think it's worth $75 to have Max Testa's lab test and interpret your LT and VO2max
    results?

    Not if you're 20lbs. overweight.

    For me it's not worth it. I use Conconi tests and "experience" to track where my LT is, etc. As
    Henry states, my biggest limiter is not max power or power at LT but the bottom side of the equation
    (W/kg). Of course, I'm not training for the Tour..

    Danny Callen

    Report
  14. Warren
    Archived post
    #14
    In article said:

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, TritonRider <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    > >From: "Danny Callen" [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Lactate threshold, VO2 max etc... are not needed for anyone but young


    up

    Quoted message said:

    and

    Quoted message said:

    > coming riders.

    You don't think it's worth $75 to have Max Testa's lab test and interpret your LT and VO2max
    results?

    Not if you're 20lbs. overweight.

    For me it's not worth it. I use Conconi tests and "experience" to track where my LT is, etc. As
    Henry states, my biggest limiter is not max power or power at LT but the bottom side of the
    equation (W/kg). Of course, I'm not training for the Tour..

    Which two of those three will matter most at Somerville?

    -WG

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  15. Danny Callen
    Archived post
    #15

    "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    In article said:

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > In article <[email hidden]>,


    TritonRider

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > > >From: "Danny Callen" [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > Lactate threshold, VO2 max etc... are not needed for anyone but


    young

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    up

    Quoted message said:

    and
    > > coming riders.
    >
    > You don't think it's worth $75 to have Max Testa's lab test and interpret your LT and VO2max
    > results?

    Not if you're 20lbs. overweight.

    For me it's not worth it. I use Conconi tests and "experience" to track where my LT is, etc. As
    Henry states, my biggest limiter is not max


    power or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    power at LT but the bottom side of the equation (W/kg). Of course, I'm


    not

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    training for the Tour..

    Which two of those three will matter most at Somerville?

    -WG

    None since I likely won't be there. It's been years since I did Somerville...fun race though...

    Danny Callen

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  16. Warren
    Archived post
    #16
    In article said:

    "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    In article said:

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    >
    > "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > > In article <[email hidden]>,


    TritonRider

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >
    > > > >From: "Danny Callen" [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    > > > Lactate threshold, VO2 max etc... are not needed for anyone but


    young

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    up
    > and
    > > > coming riders.
    > >
    > > You don't think it's worth $75 to have Max Testa's lab test and interpret your LT and
    > > VO2max results?
    >
    >
    >
    > Not if you're 20lbs. overweight.
    >
    >

    For me it's not worth it. I use Conconi tests and "experience" to track where my LT is, etc.
    As Henry states, my biggest limiter is not max


    power or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    power at LT but the bottom side of the equation (W/kg). Of course, I'm


    not

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    training for the Tour..

    Which two of those three will matter most at Somerville?

    -WG

    None since I likely won't be there. It's been years since I did Somerville...fun race though...

    So pick any fast, flat criterium.

    -WG

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  17. Sparhawk
    Archived post
    #17
    Danny Callen said:


    "Sparhawk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Danny Callen said:


    "TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >From: "Ken Papai" [email hidden]
    >
    > >So how does a cheap, lousy cat. III, without that much extra time on their hands measure
    > >their power without going through a lot of trouble?
    >
    > The way they always have. Cat 3s are not elite racers. The young ones


    may

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    be on
    > the way, but they are not there yet. Let's face it, the ones who are going to go Cat1/Pro have
    > displayed it
    earlier
    > and have been guided to a whole new level of testing, regimentation,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > training. My take was that this was targeted to Cat1/Pro riders. Andy would


    have

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to
    > fill us in on this. We are getting into the Masters/Wannabe/Neverwas debate now. It is
    possible to
    > upgrade through sustained effort and picking your races. The people who
    are
    > going to the top are indicated, and supported fairly young. They are


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ones
    > who get the support and equipment Andy is talking about. Your average 30 year old cat 3 is
    > SOL. Bill C

    Did you do too many shots of tequilla today Bill? I can measure power


    just

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    fine for less than $500. I bought a Polar S710 for $200 from ubid.com and then the power Option
    for $250 from ebay. You just need to look for


    deals.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Power is not for the elite. It's as simple as measuring HR and as Andy


    says

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is not susceptible to "conditions". If the average 30 year old Cat 3 can


    not

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    afford that maybe they're spending too much time on their bike trying to


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a wannabe and not enough time on a career??

    Danny Callen

    Measuring power is great but what do you compare it to, where is the data? The data bank?

    There just doesn't seem to be anyway to make an assessment based on power data because there
    isn't any.

    How does a Cat 1/2/3 racer know where he is in comparison to others in the same category?

    Or is power data so highly personal that it is worthless?

    Sparhawk

    You can do a Conconi test or step test on a trainer; comparisons are fairly well documented in Joe
    Friel's "Training Bible". It is more important that you use the power numbers to train your own
    strengths and weaknesses and track your progress..

    I know my numbers and I record them daily from my Computrainer but I have no idea what your numbers
    are or what mine should be.

    Sure I can track my improvement in a number but the number has no meaning unless it is compared
    against a standard.

    Joe Friel's book does not establish any power standard.

    We may as well use speed, cadence or heart rate to track improvement as power in it's present form
    doesn't mean anything.

    The Polar power add-on is a $300 rip off as are all the other power gimmicks.

    Sparhawk

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    Danny Callen

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  18. Le Gopheur
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    #18
    Sparhawk said:


    I know my numbers and I record them daily from my Computrainer but I have no idea what your numbers
    are or what mine should be.

    Sure I can track my improvement in a number but the number has no meaning unless it is compared
    against a standard.

    Joe Friel's book does not establish any power standard.

    We may as well use speed, cadence or heart rate to track improvement as power in it's present form
    doesn't mean anything.

    The Polar power add-on is a $300 rip off as are all the other power gimmicks.

    Sparhawk

    Is this a joke thread? If so, I missed the first few posts and the humor at the beginning, so ignore
    my response here...

    ...But I have a really dumb question:

    If you wanted to compare yourself to others why not just go on a hilly, hard training ride with 10
    (or more) riders around your own ability?

    I should think you'd get instant and immediate feedback on how "powerful" you really are. The
    "standard" is pretty damn easy to figure out from a training ride, isn't it?

    If you make it to the end in the front group, you're above average. If in the last group, you stink.
    Do yourself a bit of "fuzzy extrapolation" to figure it out if you're somewhere in between. If the
    guy who kicked your ass on the ride finishes around 20th at the local road races, you still stink.

    Hell, even easier is to just go do a 10-25 mile ITT or a hard road race and compare your
    times/finish position to the winner and loser.

    How hard is this? seriously?

    Why the hell do you need a power meter or a published "standard" to determine something so
    simplistic as comparing yourself to other riders? A power meter is used to gauge your own progress,
    or lack there of, once you've recorded some base data. Good lord.

    Someone tell me if I'm missing the obvious here.

    gopher

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  19. Kurgan Gringion
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    "Danny Callen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    None since I likely won't be there. It's been years since I did Somerville...fun

    Was his erstwhile girlfriend Kristy in the mix or was it just you and Sommerville?

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  20. Stewart Fleming
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    Kurgan Gringioni said:

    Was his erstwhile girlfriend Kristy in the mix or was it just you and Sommerville?

    Did you mean "purported" or "former" girlfriend?

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