heartrate question

Are you sure you're fully recovered? Try measuring your resting heart rate before each exercise.
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Hi All Could someone explain what's going here? Assuming equal conditions: Sometimes I can ride at
160 bpm (around 85% of my max )and breath easily with fairly moderate percieved effort. Other
times I'm struggling to breath at the same heartrate and the

percieved

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effort is much higher. cheers

Bob

Thus spake "Niv" <[email hidden]>

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Are you sure you're fully recovered? Try measuring your resting heart rate before each exercise.
Elevated - give it a miss. Niv. "Bob Banfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hi All Could someone explain what's going here? Assuming equal conditions: Sometimes I can ride
at 160 bpm (around 85% of my max )and breath easily with fairly moderate percieved effort. Other
times I'm struggling to breath at the same heartrate and the

percieved

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effort is much higher. cheers

The other thing that might occur is that your glycogen supplies might be low. *Everything*
seems harder when this is the case. Make sure you carbohydrate intake is high, especially after
a hard ride.

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Hi All Could someone explain what's going here? Assuming equal conditions: Sometimes I can ride
at 160 bpm (around 85% of my max )and breath easily with fairly moderate percieved effort.
Other times I'm struggling to breath at the same heartrate and the percieved effort is much
higher. cheers

I think its genrally agreed that heartrate isn't all that counts toward how hard you are working
(although it's a great training aid). I ride up and down one hill, hitting about 82% mhr both on
the way up and the way down, but going up always feels harder. I guess that having to dispose of
the lactic acid weights the feeling of exertion (I strive for the same cadence up hill and down,
but fail...)

Helen Deborah Vecht said:

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Hi All Could someone explain what's going here? Assuming equal conditions: Sometimes I can ride
at 160 bpm (around 85% of my max )and breath easily with fairly moderate percieved effort. Other
times I'm struggling to breath at the same heartrate and the percieved effort is much higher.
cheers

The other thing that might occur is that your glycogen supplies might be low. *Everything*
seems harder when this is the case. Make sure you carbohydrate intake is high, especially after
a hard ride.

Hi Helli

How does that work for us porky boys?

After riding I am always famished (but then I am a greedy boy). If resist the urge to stuff my face
will my body start using my ample tum?

I usually start feeling a bit 'bonkish after about 1 1/2 hours of riding. Should a snack a bit
before this or press on to burn more fat?

I am not very fit having returned to cycling from a 10 year layoff 6 months ago. When I used to blat
around on a fixie I weighed around 12 1/2 stone and am now 5 stone heavier.

--
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> Hi All

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Hi Helli

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How does that work for us porky boys?

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After riding I am always famished (but then I am a greedy boy). If resist the urge to stuff my
face will my body start using my ample tum?

Having tried (and failed) the dieting lark whilst cycling, I can confirm it did not work for me. It
seems to work rather better for boys with a highish aerobic capacity and more abdominal fat though.

Trying to cycle fairly slowly might help also.

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I usually start feeling a bit 'bonkish after about 1 1/2 hours of riding. Should a snack a bit
before this or press on to burn more fat?

It depends whether you are trying to become a faster fitter cyclist or less of a lardball! I used to
get *really* hungry midweek after doing weekend Audax rides.

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I am not very fit having returned to cycling from a 10 year layoff 6 months ago. When I used to
blat around on a fixie I weighed around 12 1/2 stone and am now 5 stone heavier.

I am the same 11 stone as I was in 1985 (and 1978). I have fluctuated by about +/- a stone since. I
gained a stone when I did a lot of Audax rides (this was *not* muscle!) I suspect I was so scared of
the bonk that I stuffed myself with carbs. I've not ridden a bicycle at all for 2 years. i covered

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11,000 miles cycling in 1994 & 1995. I lost weight in 1996 when I reduced my cycling mileage as my

appetite dropped. I don't eat much now.

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> Hi All Could someone explain what's going here? Assuming equal conditions: Sometimes I can
> ride at 160 bpm (around 85% of my max )and breath easily with fairly moderate percieved
> effort. Other times I'm struggling to breath at the same heartrate and the percieved effort is
> much higher. cheers

The other thing that might occur is that your glycogen supplies might be low. *Everything*
seems harder when this is the case. Make sure you carbohydrate intake is high, especially after
a hard ride.

Hi Helli

How does that work for us porky boys?

After riding I am always famished (but then I am a greedy boy). If resist the urge to stuff my
face will my body start using my ample tum?

I dunno if this will work for you, but it did for me (shed 5 stone in 18mths): I don't eat before a
ride, but drink a couple of strong espressos, and a small square of chocolate. Apparently, the
caffeine stimulates fat release, and the sugar is needed to get the muscles started burning it
(krebs cycle or summit). I don't get hungry or run out of energy for at least two hours, after which
a couple of glucose tabs fixes me. The only problem is, on a non-cycling day I eat like a pig: I
guess that the body gets used to the fat as an energy source, and complains when it doesn't arrive.

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I usually start feeling a bit 'bonkish after about 1 1/2 hours of riding. Should a snack a bit
before this or press on to burn more fat?

If you genuinely feel "bonkish" I don't see how you'll be able to carry on for much longer before
full blown bonk hits you, and then you'll be sorry! Eat before 1 1/2 hours and drink plenty,
speshully as it warms up, hic.

Pete

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I usually start feeling a bit 'bonkish after about 1 1/2 hours of

riding.

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Should a snack a bit before this or press on to burn more fat?

If you genuinely feel "bonkish" I don't see how you'll be able to carry on for much longer before
full blown bonk hits you, and then you'll be sorry! Eat before 1 1/2 hours and drink plenty,
speshully as it warms up, hic.

Pete

Sorry to interrupt flow but... I'm planning on doing John O' Groats to Lands End next week with
minimum planning (foolish man!). I'm keeping everything to an absolute minimum and hoping to achieve
around 100 miles per day for upto 10 days. I have been doing a lot of stamina training over the last
few months with a minimum of 1 ride of around 50-70 miles, 1 run of 12 miles and upto 3 x 1 mile
swims per week and 1 session of 4 hours rockface climbing. Regards diet, I just try to eat fairly
healthily but don't go mad on fad type diets. My plans for the ride, as a skeleton to build on for
each day will be to start off with an Alpen bar, then find a roadside cafe (little chef;-) for a big
fry-up type breakfast, then hit a fish & chip shop at the end of the day. I'll try and get some
fruit during the course of the day. I'll also have a 2 litre water back pack on, being used and
filled as needed. In reserve I'll have a couple of rowntrees jellies and a pack of glucose tablets
should things get really desperate. Is this a reasonable approach, given that the rest of the plans
are totally unreasonable, or is it a serious risk to my wellbeing ? - As much as I want this to be a
'once in a lifetime' experience, I am a happily married father of three, so I don't want it to be
the *last* experience of my life....;-) Cheers, Dave (6 days 'n' countin'😉

Thus spake "Dave" <[email hidden]>

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I'm planning on doing John O' Groats to Lands End next week with minimum planning (foolish man!).

Good Luck! You *can* do it!

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My plans for the ride, as a skeleton to build on for each day will be to start off with an Alpen
bar, then find a roadside cafe (little chef;-) for a big fry-up type breakfast, then hit a fish &
chip shop at the end of the day. I'll try and get some fruit during the course of the day.

This combination sounds like far too little carbohydrate and too much fat for my liking. Some people
run quite well on fat though. Little Chef portions are not that big (My friend's cathphrase is
"Starve to death at a Li**** C*** !"😉 and 100 miles per day needs around 3,000 *extra* kCal per day.
(You probably need 2,000 kCal per day just breathing in front of a computer.) You will have to get
these Calories somewhere and a family-sized slab of cake from a supermarket or village shop will
help. Be guided by what you fancy. If you crave for something, go for it. Tinned rice pudding can be
just the ticket, for some. make sure you have a tin opener!

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I'll also have a 2 litre water back pack on, being used and filled as needed. In reserve I'll have
a couple of rowntrees jellies and a pack of glucose tablets should things get really desperate. Is
this a reasonable approach, given that the rest of the plans are totally unreasonable, or is it a
serious risk to my wellbeing ? - As much as I want this to be a 'once in a lifetime' experience, I
am a happily married father of three, so I don't want it to be the *last* experience of my
life....;-)

I hope you have a really good time.

Eat before you are hungry, drink before you are thirsty. Whilst on the road, avoid alcohol, meat and
tobacco. [1]

[1] Velocio's Golden Rules (part)

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Thus spake "Dave" <[email hidden]>

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I'm planning on doing John O' Groats to Lands End next week with minimum planning (foolish
man!).

Good Luck! You *can* do it!

Quoted message said:

My plans for the ride, as a skeleton to build on for each day will be to start off with an Alpen
bar, then find a roadside cafe

(little

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

chef;-) for a big fry-up type breakfast, then hit a fish & chip shop at

the

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end of the day. I'll try and get some fruit during the course of the

day.

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This combination sounds like far too little carbohydrate and too much fat for my liking. Some
people run quite well on fat though. Little Chef portions are not that big (My friend's cathphrase
is "Starve to death at a Li**** C*** !"😉 and 100 miles per day needs around 3,000 *extra* kCal per
day. (You probably need 2,000 kCal per day just breathing in front of a computer.) You will have
to get these Calories somewhere and a family-sized slab of cake from a supermarket or village shop
will help. Be guided by what you fancy. If you crave for something, go for it. Tinned rice pudding
can be just the ticket, for some. make sure you have a tin opener!

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I'll also have a 2 litre water back pack on, being used and filled as needed. In reserve I'll
have a couple of rowntrees jellies and a pack of glucose tablets should things get really
desperate. Is this a reasonable approach, given that the rest of the plans are

totally

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unreasonable, or is it a serious risk to my wellbeing ? - As much as I

want

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this to be a 'once in a lifetime' experience, I am a happily married

father

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of three, so I don't want it to be the *last* experience of my

life....;-)

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I hope you have a really good time.

Eat before you are hungry, drink before you are thirsty. Whilst on the road, avoid alcohol, meat
and tobacco. [1]

[1] Velocio's Golden Rules (part)

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Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

Thanks very much for that Helen. I'm toying with the idea of a malt loaf per day and a couple of
packs of hula-hoops / french fries to cover the carb bit. Was suprised to find that the crisps have
more carbs than certain hi-energy, isotonic drinks. I know the drinks are balanced to ensure optimum
utilisation, but it was still amusing. Whether on the road or not, I rarely touch alcohol or meat
and never touch tobacco (well, not since I gave up (again) 12 months, 2 days, 4 hrs 6 mins and 23
secs ago ;-). Being an eternal optimist, I will enjoy it...just hope I'm still alive when I finish!!
Cheers, Dave.

Thus spake "Dave" <[email hidden]>

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"Helen Deborah Vecht" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Thus spake "Dave" <[email hidden]>

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I'm planning on doing John O' Groats to Lands End next week with minimum planning (foolish
man!).

Good Luck! You *can* do it!

Quoted message said:

My plans for the ride, as a skeleton to build on for each day will be to start off with an
Alpen bar, then find a roadside cafe

(little

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

chef;-) for a big fry-up type breakfast, then hit a fish & chip shop at

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

end of the day. I'll try and get some fruit during the course of the

day.

Quoted message said:

This combination sounds like far too little carbohydrate and too much fat for my liking. Some
people run quite well on fat though. Little Chef portions are not that big (My friend's
cathphrase is "Starve to death at a Li**** C*** !"😉 and 100 miles per day needs around 3,000
*extra* kCal per day. (You probably need 2,000 kCal per day just breathing in front of a
computer.) You will have to get these Calories somewhere and a family-sized slab of cake from a
supermarket or village shop will help. Be guided by what you fancy. If you crave for something,
go for it. Tinned rice pudding can be just the ticket, for some. make sure you have a tin
opener!

Quoted message said:

I'll also have a 2 litre water back pack on, being used and filled as needed. In reserve I'll
have a couple of rowntrees jellies and a pack of glucose tablets should things get really
desperate. Is this a reasonable approach, given that the rest of the plans are

totally

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unreasonable, or is it a serious risk to my wellbeing ? - As much as I

want

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this to be a 'once in a lifetime' experience, I am a happily married

father

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of three, so I don't want it to be the *last* experience of my

life....;-)

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I hope you have a really good time.

Eat before you are hungry, drink before you are thirsty. Whilst on the road, avoid alcohol, meat
and tobacco. [1]

[1] Velocio's Golden Rules (part)

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

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Thanks very much for that Helen. I'm toying with the idea of a malt loaf per day

A malt loaf won't quite cut it calorie wise. 4 might but you may prefer a Cherry Genoa or a rich
fruit cake. I's actually quite difficult to cram in several thousand extra calories in a short time.
You will have to seek what seems palatable to you. (There are rumours that TdF riders had
intravenous feeding at night to sustain them. I don't know the veracity of this)

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and a couple of packs of hula-hoops / french fries to cover the carb bit.

Hula hoops/crisps have lots of fat and too much salt in them for their carbohydrate content. (about
11g fat in a 35g pack). You can drink a lot more in a 500ml bottle of chocky milk shake! (These are
usually cheaper than 'sports' drinks.

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Was suprised to find that the crisps have more carbs than certain hi-energy, isotonic drinks.

Did you check the sodium (salt) & fat levels though?

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I know the drinks are balanced to ensure optimum utilisation, but it was still amusing. Whether on
the road or not, I rarely touch alcohol or meat and never touch tobacco (well, not since I gave up
(again) 12 months, 2 days, 4 hrs 6 mins and 23 secs ago ;-). Being an eternal optimist, I will
enjoy it...just hope I'm still alive when I finish!!

Good Luck!

DON'T FORGET THE TIN OPENER! (it might be tinned peaches you crave...)

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Thus spake "Dave" <[email hidden]>

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Thus spake "Dave" <[email hidden]>

> I'm planning on doing John O' Groats to Lands End next week with

minimum

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> planning (foolish man!).

Good Luck! You *can* do it!

> My plans for the ride, as a skeleton to build on for each day will be to start off with an
> Alpen bar, then find a roadside cafe

(little

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> chef;-) for a big fry-up type breakfast, then hit a fish & chip shop

at

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the

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> end of the day. I'll try and get some fruit during the course of the

day.

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This combination sounds like far too little carbohydrate and too much fat for my liking. Some
people run quite well on fat though. Little

Chef

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portions are not that big (My friend's cathphrase is "Starve to death

at

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a Li**** C*** !"😉 and 100 miles per day needs around 3,000 *extra*

kCal

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per day. (You probably need 2,000 kCal per day just breathing in front of a computer.) You
will have to get these Calories somewhere and a family-sized slab of cake from a supermarket
or village shop will

help.

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Be guided by what you fancy. If you crave for something, go for it. Tinned rice pudding can be
just the ticket, for some. make sure you

have

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a tin opener!

> I'll also have a 2 litre water back pack on, being used and filled

as

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> needed. In reserve I'll have a couple of rowntrees jellies and a pack of

glucose

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> tablets should things get really desperate. Is this a reasonable approach, given that the
> rest of the plans are

totally

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> unreasonable, or is it a serious risk to my wellbeing ? - As much as

I

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want

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> this to be a 'once in a lifetime' experience, I am a happily married

father

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> of three, so I don't want it to be the *last* experience of my

life....;-)

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I hope you have a really good time.

Eat before you are hungry, drink before you are thirsty. Whilst on the road, avoid alcohol,
meat and tobacco. [1]

[1] Velocio's Golden Rules (part)

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

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Thanks very much for that Helen. I'm toying with the idea of a malt loaf per day

A malt loaf won't quite cut it calorie wise. 4 might but you may prefer a Cherry Genoa or a rich
fruit cake. I's actually quite difficult to cram in several thousand extra calories in a short
time. You will have to seek what seems palatable to you. (There are rumours that TdF riders had
intravenous feeding at night to sustain them. I don't know the veracity of this)

What an idea...wouldn't need to stop at all then, could go for the record..hhhmmmm.....

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and a couple of packs of hula-hoops / french fries to cover the carb bit.

Hula hoops/crisps have lots of fat and too much salt in them for their carbohydrate content.
(about 11g fat in a 35g pack). You can drink a lot more in a 500ml bottle of chocky milk shake!
(These are usually cheaper than 'sports' drinks.

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Was suprised to find that the crisps have more carbs than certain hi-energy, isotonic drinks.

Did you check the sodium (salt) & fat levels though?

I know it's not a 'healthy' balance. I had heard that if you drink water you have to take care that
you don't overdilute various nutrients in your system (!?!?) as this can be just as dangerous as
becoming dehydrated. Does the sodium level in the crisps help counter this effect, do you know ?

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I know the drinks are balanced to ensure optimum utilisation, but it was still amusing. Whether
on the road or not, I rarely touch alcohol or meat and never

touch

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tobacco (well, not since I gave up (again) 12 months, 2 days, 4 hrs 6

mins

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and 23 secs ago ;-). Being an eternal optimist, I will enjoy it...just hope I'm still alive

when

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I finish!!

Good Luck!

DON'T FORGET THE TIN OPENER! (it might be tinned peaches you crave...)

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

Thanks again Helen. I was in the Navy 20-odd years ago for all of 6 weeks, then left when I realised
the job was about killing people. They had really brilliant 'field' tin openers, only about 1"x2"
big, pivoted to open out 90degrees and worked really well. Might see if I can find one in a camping
shop over the weekend.

Cheers, Dave.

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Sorry to interrupt flow but... I'm planning on doing John O' Groats to Lands End next week with
minimum planning (foolish man!). I'm keeping everything to an absolute minimum and hoping to
achieve around 100 miles per day for upto 10 days.

100 miles a day is some ask day after day. Be ready to take a day off if your body tells you its not
really feeling up to it today when you wake. I've always found that, 4 to 6 days into a tour the
mind may be ready to leave but the body is still curled up and asleep.

Also, 100 miles is going to take a fair few hours each day. Add in the feeding times and pauses for
a blow (and punctures, getting lost etc.) and you may find that its more than the hours of daylight
at this time of year.

As Helen has suggested -- too much fat. Again, personal experience is that I don't want to eat too
much at each sitting so little & often may be the better route -- nothing wrong with two lunches!!
Eat what and when you fancy. Hell, you will be burning a shed load of calories so your not going to
be putting on weight. A simple dhal & rice whit a side order of nan bread kept me rocket powered in
India. Some (unsalted) nuts and dried fruit work wonders for staving off the bonk. Much better not
to have it than to try to glucose tab yourself out of it.

Consider shifting the stuff (including water) off your back onto the bike. You know it makes sense!!

Have fun.

T

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Sorry to interrupt flow but... I'm planning on doing John O' Groats to Lands End next week with
minimum planning (foolish man!). I'm keeping everything to an absolute minimum

and

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hoping to achieve around 100 miles per day for upto 10 days.

100 miles a day is some ask day after day. Be ready to take a day off if your body tells you its
not really feeling up to it today when you wake. I've always found that, 4 to 6 days into a tour
the mind may be ready to leave but the body is still curled up and asleep.

As I live in the Midlands, I've got a promise to myself that if I'm slightly ahead of schedule, I
might just stop off for a shower, warm comfy bed and the love of a good woman!!

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Also, 100 miles is going to take a fair few hours each day. Add in the feeding times and pauses
for a blow (and punctures, getting lost etc.) and you may find that its more than the hours of
daylight at this time of

year.

I did 65 in 5.5 hours a couple of weeks ago, not particularly rushing it, but I reckon max of 10 hrs
per day should do it. Seriously though, I'm saying thousand miles, 100 miles per day, 10 days. It
isn't actually 1000 miles, it's probably closer to 850 - 900 I think. I've got the train tickets
booked 12 days apart, so that gives me 10 days cycling....should work, I hope! ;-)

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As Helen has suggested -- too much fat. Again, personal experience is

that

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I don't want to eat too much at each sitting so little & often may be the better route -- nothing
wrong with two lunches!! Eat what and when you fancy. Hell, you will be burning a shed load of
calories so your not

going

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to be putting on weight. A simple dhal & rice whit a side order of nan bread kept me rocket
powered in India. Some (unsalted) nuts and dried

fruit

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work wonders for staving off the bonk. Much better not to have it than to try to glucose tab
yourself out of it.

Unsalted nuts and dried fruit...added to the list, thanks.

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Consider shifting the stuff (including water) off your back onto the bike. You know it
makes sense!!

I've only got the water, few tools and rain clothes going on my back. I'll be using a saddle bag,
bar bag and a snugpack sack for my sleeping equipment (hammock, sleeping bag and waterproof cover).
So, 40 litres in all, excluding snugpack which should strap onto the top of the saddlebag.

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Have fun.

That's why I'm doing it.;-) and I'm a very determined individual.... I *WILL* have fun ;-)

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T

Thanks lots,

Dave.

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What an idea...wouldn't need to stop at all then, could go for the record..hhhmmmm.....

On a conventional bicycle that would be 1 day, 20 hours, 4 minutes, 19 seconds; set by Gethin Butler
going south to north. Good luck. ;-)

Seriously, your 10 day target is quite tough enough. I have a feeling you're going to achieve it.
The "good luck" above was ironic, but this one is sincere.

--
Dave...

Thus spake "Dave" <[email hidden]>

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I know it's not a 'healthy' balance. I had heard that if you drink water you have to take care
that you don't overdilute various nutrients in your system (!?!?) as this can be just as
dangerous as becoming dehydrated. Does the sodium level in the crisps help counter this effect,
do you know ?

It would, if you are not getting sufficient calt from all the other food you eat. Almost any
manufactured food contains a lot. (Bread, cake, baked beans, bacon.....)

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