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Mah' Rootz Be Genetic...

makemyday · 2004-03-22T23:38:31+00:00

Hey Bob, race is *not* a "social construct," it'z *GENETIC*: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/0- 3/15/wdna15.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/03/15/ixworld.html ************************** exZZZZZZZZZZZZerpt ************************ Black Americans use DNA to go back to their roots -- 15/03/2004 Larry Melton is an American success story but, when friends asked where his ancestors were from, he could not say. And it hurt. All that changed when Mr Melton sent his DNA to African Ancestry, a firm founded last year by one of America's leading black geneticists, Rick Kittles of Howard University, Washington. From a swab rubbed inside Mr Melton's cheek, the firm extracted his mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), a snippet of genetic code that is passed from mothers to daughters across the generations. That was compared with African Ancestry's database of 21,000 genetic lineages, classified into 100 ethnic groups. Mr Melton's mtDNA was matched. "Now I can say, on my mother's side, she shares ancestry with people from Ghana, of the Akan tribe," he said.... ***********************************************************- *********** So much for Bob's bogus and flawed "social construct" belief...

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makemyday
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22 March 2004, 23:38 UTC #1

Hey Bob, race is *not* a "social construct," it'z *GENETIC*:
telegraph.co.ukmain.jhtml
3/15/wdna15.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/03/15/ixworld.html
************************** exZZZZZZZZZZZZerpt
************************ Black Americans use DNA to go back
to their roots -- 15/03/2004
Larry Melton is an American success story but, when
friends asked where his ancestors were from, he could not
say. And it hurt.
All that changed when Mr Melton sent his DNA to African
Ancestry, a firm founded last year by one of America's
leading black geneticists, Rick Kittles of Howard
University, Washington. From a swab rubbed inside Mr
Melton's cheek, the firm extracted his mitochondrial DNA
(mtDNA), a snippet of genetic code that is passed from
mothers to daughters across the generations.
That was compared with African Ancestry's database of 21,000
genetic lineages, classified into 100 ethnic groups. Mr
Melton's mtDNA was matched. "Now I can say, on my mother's
side, she shares ancestry with people from Ghana, of the
Akan tribe," he said....
***********************************************************-
***********
So much for Bob's bogus and flawed "social construct"
belief...

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Tigerbait
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23 March 2004, 01:22 UTC #2

[email hidden] wrote in
:"]news:[email hidden]:
Quoted message said:

Hey Bob, race is *not* a "social construct," it'z
*GENETIC*:
telegraph.co.ukmain.jhtml
/03/15/wdna15. xml&sSheet=/news/2004/03/15/ixworld.html
************************** exZZZZZZZZZZZZerpt
************************ Black Americans use DNA to go
back to their roots -- 15/03/2004
Hey, Bob just said the other day that establishing one's
background through DNA wasn't possible. Perhaps he was
lying? Or, should we just give Bob LeChevalier the benefit
of the doubt and assume he's stupid?
Perhaps both!
Who's yer daddy, boy?!
King of SCAA
Quoted message said:

Larry Melton is an American success story but, when
friends asked where his ancestors were from, he could not
say. And it hurt.
All that changed when Mr Melton sent his DNA to African
Ancestry, a firm founded last year by one of America's
leading black geneticists, Rick Kittles of Howard
University, Washington. From a swab rubbed inside Mr
Melton's cheek, the firm extracted his mitochondrial DNA
(mtDNA), a snippet of genetic code that is passed from
mothers to daughters across the generations.
That was compared with African Ancestry's database of
21,000 genetic lineages, classified into 100 ethnic
groups. Mr Melton's mtDNA was matched. "Now I can say, on
my mother's side, she shares ancestry with people from
Ghana, of the Akan tribe," he said....
*********************************************************-
*************
So much for Bob's bogus and flawed "social construct"
belief...

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Byron Canfield
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23 March 2004, 05:05 UTC #3

"Tigerbait" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Who's yer daddy, boy?!
King of SCAA
<plonk> Into the [censored] bucket. Another stupid King of SCAT
sockpuppet bites the dust.

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Bob Lechevalier
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23 March 2004, 08:51 UTC #4

Tigerbait said:
[email hidden] wrote in
:"]news:[email hidden]:
Quoted message said:
Hey Bob, race is *not* a "social construct," it'z
*GENETIC*:
telegraph.co.ukmain.jhtml
4/03/15/wdna15. xml&sSheet=/news/2004/03/15/ixworld.html
************************** exZZZZZZZZZZZZerpt
************************ Black Americans use DNA to go
back to their roots -- 15/03/2004
Hey, Bob just said the other day that establishing one's
background through DNA wasn't possible. Perhaps he was
lying? Or, should we just give Bob LeChevalier the benefit
of the doubt and assume he's stupid?
Perhaps both!
Who's yer daddy, boy?!
King of SCAA
Quoted message said:
Larry Melton is an American success story but, when
friends asked where his ancestors were from, he could not
say. And it hurt.
He still can't say.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
All that changed when Mr Melton sent his DNA to African
Ancestry, a firm founded last year by one of America's
leading black geneticists, Rick Kittles of Howard
University, Washington. From a swab rubbed inside Mr
Melton's cheek, the firm extracted his mitochondrial DNA
(mtDNA), a snippet of genetic code that is passed from
mothers to daughters across the generations.
That was compared with African Ancestry's database of
21,000 genetic lineages, classified into 100 ethnic
groups. Mr Melton's mtDNA was matched. "Now I can say, on
my mother's side, she shares ancestry with people from
Ghana, of the Akan tribe," he said....
He can say it, but he can't know it for sure; all he has is
statistical probabilities. Furthermore, I don't see any
statement of what village his mom's ancestors came from,
which I believe was one of your claims.
Indeed, all he knows is that one matriarchal line umpteen
generations long might go back to Ghana. The trouble is that
he probably has a few hundred American slave ancestors who
were brought from a variety of places, and probably also
some white ancestors whose ancestors were from a variety of
places. In short, he is a mongrel just like you.
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Quoted message said:
********************************************************-
**************
So much for Bob's bogus and flawed "social construct"
belief...
Nothing you quoted pertains to my statement.
lojbab
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Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak
for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban:
lojban.orglojban.org

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makemyday
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23 March 2004, 12:19 UTC #5

Bob LeChevalier said:

Tigerbait said:
[email hidden] wrote in
:"]news:[email hidden]:
Quoted message said:
Hey Bob, race is *not* a "social construct," it'z
*GENETIC*:
telegraph.co.ukmain.jhtml
004/03/15/wdna15.
xml&sSheet=/news/2004/03/15/ixworld.html
************************** exZZZZZZZZZZZZerpt
************************ Black Americans use DNA to go
back to their roots -- 15/03/2004
Hey, Bob just said the other day that establishing one's
background through DNA wasn't possible. Perhaps he was
lying? Or, should we just give Bob LeChevalier the
benefit of the doubt and assume he's stupid?
Perhaps both!
Who's yer daddy, boy?!
King of SCAA
Quoted message said:
Larry Melton is an American success story but, when
friends asked where his ancestors were from, he could
not say. And it hurt.
He still can't say.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
All that changed when Mr Melton sent his DNA to African
Ancestry, a firm founded last year by one of America's
leading black geneticists, Rick Kittles of Howard
University, Washington. From a swab rubbed inside Mr
Melton's cheek, the firm extracted his mitochondrial
DNA (mtDNA), a snippet of genetic code that is passed
from mothers to daughters across the generations.
That was compared with African Ancestry's database of
21,000 genetic lineages, classified into 100 ethnic
groups. Mr Melton's mtDNA was matched. "Now I can say,
on my mother's side, she shares ancestry with people
from Ghana, of the Akan tribe," he said....
He can say it, but he can't know it for sure; all he has
is statistical probabilities. Furthermore, I don't see any
statement of what village his mom's ancestors came from,
which I believe was one of your claims.
Indeed, all he knows is that one matriarchal line umpteen
generations long might go back to Ghana. The trouble is
that he probably has a few hundred American slave
ancestors who were brought from a variety of places, and
probably also some white ancestors whose ancestors were
from a variety of places. In short, he is a mongrel just
like you.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
******************************************************-
****************
So much for Bob's bogus and flawed "social construct"
belief...
Nothing you quoted pertains to my statement.
Statistical probabilities that one's race is 90%, or 95%, or
99.9% DAFN, is whole helluva lot more than a "social
construct". Give it up, Bob. As more data are gathered and
collated, and the database expands in size and accuracy,
you're "social construct" view of race only becomes more
outragouzly ridiculouz...

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Blister Agent
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23 March 2004, 12:49 UTC #6

Bob LeChevalier <[email hidden]> wrote in
:"]news:[email hidden]:
Quoted message said:
Tigerbait said:
[email hidden] wrote in
:"]news:[email hidden]:
Quoted message said:
Hey Bob, race is *not* a "social construct," it'z
*GENETIC*:
telegraph.co.ukmain.jhtml

xml=/news/2004/03/15/wdna15.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
xml&sSheet=/news/2004/03/15/ixworld.html
************************** exZZZZZZZZZZZZerpt
************************ Black Americans use DNA

to
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
go back to their roots -- 15/03/2004
Hey, Bob just said the other day that establishing one's
background through DNA wasn't possible. Perhaps he was
lying? Or, should we just give Bob LeChevalier the benefit
of the doubt and assume he's stupid?
Perhaps both!
Who's yer daddy, boy?!
King of SCAA
Quoted message said:
Larry Melton is an American success story but, when
friends asked where his ancestors were from, he could
not say. And it hurt.
He still can't say.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
All that changed when Mr Melton sent his DNA to African
Ancestry, a firm founded last year by one of America's
leading black geneticists, Rick Kittles of Howard
University, Washington. From a swab rubbed inside Mr
Melton's cheek, the firm extracted his mitochondrial DNA
(mtDNA), a snippet of genetic code that is passed from
mothers to daughters across the generations.
That was compared with African Ancestry's database of
21,000 genetic lineages, classified into 100 ethnic
groups. Mr Melton's mtDNA was matched. "Now I can say,
on my mother's side, she shares ancestry with people
from Ghana, of the Akan tribe," he said....
He can say it, but he can't know it for sure; all he has
is statistical probabilities.
How high are those statistical probabilities, Bob?
Quoted message said:
Furthermore, I don't see any statement of what village
his mom's ancestors came from, which I believe was one of
your claims.
" "Now I can say, on my mother's side, she shares ancestry
with people from Ghana, of the Akan tribe," he said...."
Quoted message said:

Indeed, all he knows is that one matriarchal line umpteen
generations long might go back to Ghana.
No, "does" go back to Ghana.
Quoted message said:
The trouble is that he probably has a few hundred American
slave ancestors who were brought from a variety of places,
and probably also some white ancestors whose ancestors
were from a variety of places. In short, he is a mongrel
just like you.
No one ever disputed that, idiot. But they can trace his DNA
back--and you said that wasn't possible.
Look at idiot Bob LeChevalier trying to backtrack and
continue with his lies. Sorry, it isn't working, Bob. Not
even a nice try.
Who's yer daddy, boy?!
King of SCAA

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Byron Canfield
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23 March 2004, 16:38 UTC #7

"Blister Agent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Who's yer daddy, boy?!
King of SCAA
<plonk> Into the [censored] bucket. Another stupid King of SCAT
sockpuppet bites the dust.

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Bob Lechevalier
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23 March 2004, 23:09 UTC #8

Quoted message said:
Statistical probabilities that one's race is 90%, or 95%,
or 99.9% DAFN,
The statistical probability is that he had one ancestor that
was from somewhere near Ghana. By the "social construct"
that says that one's race is determined by the one drop
rule, or by skin color, that means he is black. But both the
one drop rule and the skin color rule are social constructs
that ignore the basic truth that "we are all mongrels".
Quoted message said:
is whole helluva lot more than a "social construct".
Nope.
Quoted message said:
Give it up, Bob. As more data are gathered and collated,
and the database expands in size and accuracy, you're
"social construct" view of race only becomes more
outragouzly ridiculouz...
Actually, the database will only support the "construct"
view. Even if all his ancestors were from Ghana, so what? It
is a social construct that says that ones tribal ancestry
matters in the least.
lojbab
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lojbab [email hidden] Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The
Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak
for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban:
lojban.orglojban.org

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Bob Lechevalier
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23 March 2004, 23:09 UTC #9

Blister Agent said:
Quoted message said:
He can say it, but he can't know it for sure; all he has
is statistical probabilities.
How high are those statistical probabilities, Bob?
99.99999999999% is still a statistical probability.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Indeed, all he knows is that one matriarchal line umpteen
generations long might go back to Ghana.
No, "does" go back to Ghana.
Quoted message said:
The trouble is that he probably has a few hundred
American slave ancestors who were brought from a variety
of places, and probably also some white ancestors whose
ancestors were from a variety of places. In short, he is
a mongrel just like you.
No one ever disputed that, idiot. But they can trace
his DNA back
No. They traced one line back with a high statistical
probability to some commonalty.
Quoted message said:
--and you said that wasn't possible.
I did?
What specifically did I say wasn't possible? I don't think
you will find that I said it is impossible for them to trace
one line back with a high statistical probability to some
commonalty.
lojbab
--
lojbab [email hidden] Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The
Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak
for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban:
lojban.orglojban.org

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