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Who's the watchmaker?

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  1. Mystics still have a few things to tell scientists (don't
    reach for the napalm - its on topic). The wheel of life
    has two principles, male (competition) and female
    (nurture). The two principles work sequentially. First
    male, then mix, then female, then separate. The two are
    actually four, in a wheel.

    Draw a circle divided up by a cross. Mark the poles N
    "governance", E "competition, S "utility" and W "altruism".
    (If you want to go back to the beginning, label them N "weak
    force", E "strong force", S "electromagnetism" and W
    "gravity". Its still the same pattern and process. Now mark
    the fields - NE "hunting, potential", SE "mixing", SW
    "realisation" and NW "separation, information".

    Now bisect the circle with a diagonal line from NW to SE.
    The upper right half is what we see as "male" and the
    lower left half is what we see as "female". NE is pure
    male, they meet and mix in the SE, SW is pure female and
    they separate in the NW. The line of separation in the NW
    is actually a gap. The gap marks the start and finish of
    each cycle. But the system spirals through time, so it
    extrudes from the upper side of the gap, goes clockwise
    round the cycle, and disappears beneath itself at the gap.
    This matrix, or wheel of life, is actually the end view of
    a spiral. It is the presence of the gap that gives
    physicists such a problem trying to work out a Theory of
    Everything (TOE), and they are now trying to bridge the
    gap with string theory. Biologists have it much easier,
    because they already know how.

    Leap a few billion years from physics to biology and the
    appearance of life. Every living thing has the same cycle.
    It hunts potential (NE), mixes up gained resources (SE),
    nurtures itself (SW), and feeds information (NW) back round
    the feedback cycle to start/not start another hunt -
    homeostasis.

    breeding pair. Now the matrix (latin "womb"😉 has become a
    den (or territory) with a notional E entrance. The male
    principle has to govern (N) the environment and hunt (NE)
    by means of competition (E) to take ownership of resources
    and drag them back to the den. These are mixed (SE) into
    new bits of resident and utilised (S) in reproduction (SW)
    and nurturing the den (W). They either survive/not survive,
    information that will start the next hunt. Information
    jumps the gap.

    The genes follow the same pattern at the same time. First
    the male dominates N, hunts potential NE (the arrow on the
    male sign) by

    (the sign of the little matrix on the female sign) and the
    female gives birth SW and nurtures W. The old breeders slide
    down the helter-skelter to history, but the genes jump the
    gap to the next generation and the spiral continues through
    time with another cycle. The nurturing "female" den is the
    default position. The male "goes outside" to hunt potential,
    always pushing the parameter. The female stays at home – if
    well fed, the den gets bigger.

    Evolution is continually testing every direction on this
    cycle. Lack of fitness in any direction - dominance (N),
    hunting ability (NE), competition (E), gene mixing and
    digestion (SE), utilisation and gestation (S), birth and
    satisfaction (SW), altruism (W) or the ability to carry
    information (NW) means you don't jump the gap in the
    rotation. Lack of a selfish male strategy means you have to
    use female altruistic strategy. Lack of female strategy
    means you use male strategy. The mixing ensures variation
    and adaptation.

    It results in an infinity of strategies, too. Lions use a
    male strategy – they fight well but breed slowly. Locusts
    use the female strategy – they fight badly (no resource
    territory) but outbreed attrition. The food chain is a
    measure around the same Matrix. Some animals use the male
    (outside) lone principle. Others use the (female) herd
    principle. Some life-forms, like viruses, are simply
    information (NNW) so "mix" (SE) inside others to achieve
    their cycle. Others, like bacteria, have dens but live
    inside the dens of others. There are infinite permutations
    in position, direction and strategy. Social insects, like
    bees use female societies with disposable males for genetics
    and do the rest themselves – they lack governance (N) and
    have a utilitarian (S) life. The same pattern permeates it
    all. It all gets tested for fitness in the environment,
    while dens try to protect the residents with nurture. If
    population pressures rise, the male principle makes the
    organism "go outside" and emigrate in dispersal. Everything
    is a potential resource for something else. The only common
    denominator throughout is the same matrix pattern.

    We were once den-building animals, then we developed a new
    brain and mind. We crossed a line on the continuum from
    "animal" to "human" with intellect. Now, our male principle
    sent the mind out hunting (NE), and we call it intelligence.
    Our female principle constructed an intellectual den in
    which to nurture us, and we call it civilisation. They were
    made possible by mixing (SE), mental technology, expressed
    in toolmaking, turning resources E into utility
    S. The cycle was completed by language (NW) allowing
    information to jump the gap between ideas and people,
    accumulating knowledge in the WNW and reason in the NNW.
    Its not magic – the NE is notionally the electricity in
    the brain, the SE is the chemistry in the brain, the SW
    is the biology of the brain and the NW is information.
    The same cycle now gave us "Mind" (upper half) and
    "Body" (brain, lower half). It also gave us Gods in our
    invisible Heavens (governance, N) above and physical
    Earth below.

    We flourished in our dens of civilisation and grew into
    societies and nations. The same bloody pattern still runs
    them in our four great enterprises – Science, male (NE)
    hunting potential - Technology, mixed (SE) converting
    resources to utility - the Arts, female (SW) the realisation
    of what it is to be human, and the Humanities (NW), our
    information, split between reflection (knowledge, WNW) and
    prospection (reason, NNW). And since there are numbers of
    scientific thinkers here, science follows the same damn
    cycle – physics (NE), chemistry (SE), biology (SW) and
    information (NW).

    Resources still flow into our den on the east, are utilised
    in the south and shared out in the west, giving us our
    spectrum of economics, from competitive on the right to
    Marxian on the left. The same pattern gives us our politics,
    too – authoritarian (N), competitive (right), utilitarian
    (S) and altruist (left).

    They are all round tables, and I love to watch the arguments
    across them. Who is right and who is wrong? The process is
    sequential and every step has its most advantageous time and
    place. A well-fed society swings left (female) and goes anti-
    male as homeostasis steps in to prevent over-cooking. Views
    turn to nurturing inclusiveness and harmony – perfectly sane
    middle aged ladies turn into GM cereal killers and shout at
    MacDonalds or go on peace (anti-war, anti-male) rallies. The
    arts (SW) rise in education and science (NE) suffers.
    Organism fitness altruism begins to challenge selfishness.
    The wheel turns.

    So, the question remains - who is the watchmaker? If you
    want to know more about this matrix, it's at
    www.nashmatrix.com

    Have an interesting day, everyone.

    John Nash

  2. Mysticism, religion, and philosophy haven't persisted for
    millenia based on a fluke. These are all well-developed, oft-
    repeated, and occasionally beautiful anecdotes but have
    little to no functional role in day-to-day science.

    Strip away the anecdotes and science still continues
    unabated, it's just not as fun to talk about at dinner
    parties.

  3. "John Nash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    Mystics still have a few things to tell scientists (don't
    reach for the napalm - its on topic).


    Mystics certainly have something to tell scientists, but not
    about day-to-day science.

    Quoted message said:


    The wheel of life has two principles, male (competition)
    and female (nurture).

    that provides the smaller gametes. This often leads to
    females making a big investment in offspring whilst males
    fight amongst themselves for copulations, but not always.
    Sometimes the male provides all the parental care. In
    almost all species there is intense competion amongst
    females for the resources with which to nuture their
    offspring. Finally, the most militarised of animals, the
    soldier ants, are all female.

    Quoted message said:


    The two principles work sequentially. First male, then
    mix, then female, then separate. The two are actually
    four, in a wheel.

    Draw a circle divided up by a cross. Mark the poles N
    "governance", E "competition, S "utility" and W
    "altruism". (If you want to go back to the beginning,
    label them N "weak force", E "strong force", S
    "electromagnetism" and W "gravity". Its still the same
    pattern and process.


    This is where you go way off science. As a non-particle
    physicist, I couldn't comment on whether the fact that there
    are four fundamental forces of nature has anything to do
    with the fact that a plane has two dimensions and thus four
    cardinal points. However your four dimensions of animal
    behaviour appear to be essentially arbitrary and shoehorned
    into some vague relationship with the points of the compass
    and the four fundamental physical forces. You will
    presumably argue that, just as gravity isn't properly
    understood, so altruism is the most puzzling of human
    behaviours. Why not add the four suits of the Tarot?

  4. "Malcolm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Why not add the four suits of the Tarot?

    Good thought. They naturally include and sometimes spark
    material considerations of (s)cience.

    (jk)

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  5. [email hidden] (jk) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Malcolm" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Why not add the four suits of the Tarot?

    Good thought. They naturally include and sometimes spark
    material considerations of (s)cience.

    If you want to see the relationships between the four forces
    and a model of how they eventually evolve into the human
    mind, I have posted a model at nashmatrix.com. under
    "contents". Its too long to discuss here, and it is a model,
    not science...just a "way of thinking about evolution" to
    put things in context as part of my studies into why people
    think mystically. It has some logic, so its not entirely
    arbitrary. I respect science's tough criteria.

    And, yes, strangely enough, it does appear in the
    Tarot, too.

    Regards

    John Nash.

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