Red Wine extract caps - useful or not?

[email hidden] (P.A. Stahl) wrote in part:

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Question: We know from recent research that the French have
far less cardiovascular disease, based on their (red) wine
consumption with meals. Recently an extract has been
offered, based on red wine, under the product name 'Well
Heart', to lower cholesterol.

Is there any basis to this, or does one need the real McCoy
(e.g. actual red wine) to see any discernible results in
lowered cholesterol.

Red wine *raises* cholesterol (mostly by raising HDL). The
only rigorously studied ingredient in red wine that does
this is the alcohol. If "Well Heart" is alcoholic, it might
be similarly helpful...
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Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

P.A. Stahl said:

Is there any basis to this, or does one need the real
McCoy (e.g. actual red wine) to see any discernible
results in lowered cholesterol.

Stick with the real thing. I think part of the effect of
the 2 glasses of bordeaux (most recommended, or cabernet
sauvignon, also), is not only the bioflavoids in the wine,
but also the flushing effect that the wine has on the
circulatory system (that's what I experience).. a kind of
heating and relaxing of the blood flow and veins. Wine
also relieves tension and make people more jolly and that
can't hurt !!

liaM

Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:51:57 GMT in article
<[email hidden]> Jim Chinnis

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[email hidden] (P.A. Stahl) wrote in part:

Quoted message said:

Question: We know from recent research that the French
have far less cardiovascular disease, based on their (red)
wine consumption with meals. Recently an extract has been
offered, based on red wine, under the product name 'Well
Heart', to lower cholesterol.

Is there any basis to this, or does one need the real
McCoy (e.g. actual red wine) to see any discernible
results in lowered cholesterol.

Red wine *raises* cholesterol (mostly by raising HDL). The
only rigorously studied ingredient in red wine that does
this is the alcohol. If "Well Heart" is alcoholic, it might
be similarly helpful...

There are quite a number of preliminary studies about
resveratrol, a polyphenol found in red wine. I looked up
some Medline references, but can't be bothered to post them
here. Instead, I made them temporarily visible on the web,
in case someone is interested. All you have to do is click
the following link:

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Jim Chinnis said:

[email hidden] (P.A. Stahl) wrote in part:

Quoted message said:

Question: We know from recent research that the French
have far less cardiovascular disease, based on their (red)
wine consumption with meals. Recently an extract has been
offered, based on red wine, under the product name 'Well
Heart', to lower cholesterol.

Is there any basis to this, or does one need the real
McCoy (e.g. actual red wine) to see any discernible
results in lowered cholesterol.

Red wine *raises* cholesterol (mostly by raising HDL). The
only rigorously studied ingredient in red wine that does
this is the alcohol. If "Well Heart" is alcoholic, it
might be similarly helpful...
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

Jim, I have a theory and it is only a THEORY. I am an
amateur winemaker and of course I follow threads on wine and
beneficial affects to CAD. Red wines are usually aged in oak
barrels. Sherry is usually aged in oak barrels. There has
been news articles recently on the benefits of Sherry wine.

White wines typically are not - with a few exceptions such
as some Chardonnays and some Sauvignon Blancs.

Hard liquors such as brandy and whiskey ARE aged on oak
barrels. It seems to me that possibly the common demonitor
may be tannins that are extracted during the aging process
or from fruit that is naturally high in tannins.

As a side note:

Wines such as Cabernet Sauvignon typically have have high
tannin values - even without oak aging.

Is it possible that tannin is the principle factor in all of
the above?

I know from experience that a highly oaked wine has a much
higher tolerance to oxidation than wine with minimal tannin
or oak aging. I have verified this with bench trials.

Seems to me this could be a good research project for a phd
candidate.

www.hereandnowbooks.com sells The Anti-Aging Pill about
Longevinex, a Resveratrol/Quercetin pill.

There is a long history on Resveratrol in red wine and in
lab experiments where laboratory-grade Resveratrol has shown
efficacy affecting cancer, heart, breathing, etc.

It is the nearest I can think of to being a miracle molecule
out there.

Red wine is probably not required to get the
beneficial effect.

Buy the Anti-Aging Pill and read it. You'll be pleasantly
surprised and undoubtedly want to start Resveratrol
supplementation.

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Quoted message said:

Question: We know from recent research that the French
have far less cardiovascular disease, based on their (red)
wine consumption with meals. Recently an extract has been
offered, based on red wine, under the product name 'Well
Heart', to lower cholesterol.

Is there any basis to this, or does one need the real
McCoy (e.g. actual red wine) to see any discernible
results in lowered cholesterol.

(Stuart Cracraft) said:

Red wine is probably not required to get the
beneficial effect.

I would tend to agree. You will find other similar
nutraceuticals will provide similar, if not better benefit
for the target pathway. For example: Olive oil and red
wine antioxidant polyphenols inhibit endothelial
activation: antiatherogenic properties of Mediterranean
diet phytochemicals. Arterioscler Thromb Vasc Biol. 2003
Apr 1;23(4):622-9. Epub 2003 Feb 20. PMID: 12615669
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Practically speaking, I could not imbibe in red wine before
work, but could take the extract either from red wine or
from another source and obtain the benefits of polyphenols.
Green tea, either extract or steeped leaves would be a more
practical approach and not have impaired cognition or
physical performance from alcohol ingestion.

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