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  1. Hi, my dad is 57. He just few days ago had to have double
    bypass surgery. He is also diabetic. He is overweight but
    has been on medicine for many years which keeps his
    chloresterol lower than mine. (Around 130)

    My question is: What type of diet does he need to follow
    after surgery? I figure a low chloresterol, low sodium diet.
    I am not trying to start any wars about whcih diet is best.
    But I started myself eating less carbohydrates. (I am not
    following an Atkins plan per say). I east bacon for
    breakfast, a piece of chicken for lunch with diet coke and
    some cheese cubes, and a regular dinner of whatever my wife
    fixes. During the day I drink 2 low carb shakes and eat 2
    Atkins low carb candy bars a day. I have lost 25 lbs since
    January and my total chloresterol has went from 203 last
    August to 144 last month. My tryglicerides went from 253 to
    53 and my HDL went up from 40 to 47. Would a low carb
    approach be dangerous for my day after bypass surgery? This
    leads me to my second question:

    If his chloresterol was so low before and he had no
    blockages 5 years ago when he had a dye test how did he get
    2 cloged arteries since then?

  2. Don said:

    Hi, my dad is 57. He just few days ago had to have double
    bypass surgery. He is also diabetic. He is overweight but
    has been on medicine for many years which keeps his
    chloresterol lower than mine. (Around 130)

    My question is: What type of diet does he need to follow
    after surgery?

    He should follow that which his doctors have advised him
    to be on. I would guess that he has been advised by his
    doctor(s) to stick with a diabetic low fat/low
    cholesterol diet.

    Since his being overweight is an issue, he may benefit from
    the addition of the diabetic 2PD approach as described at:

    heartmdphd.comwtloss.asp

    Would suggest you have your dad ask his doctor(s) about this
    combination.

    Quoted message said:

    I figure a low chloresterol, low sodium diet. I am not
    trying to start any wars about whcih diet is best. But I
    started myself eating less carbohydrates. (I am not
    following an Atkins plan per say). I east bacon for
    breakfast, a piece of chicken for lunch with diet coke and
    some cheese cubes, and a regular dinner of whatever my
    wife fixes. During the day I drink 2 low carb shakes and
    eat 2 Atkins low carb candy bars a day. I have lost 25 lbs
    since January and my total chloresterol has went from 203
    last August to 144 last month. My tryglicerides went from
    253 to 53 and my HDL went up from 40 to 47. Would a low
    carb approach be dangerous for my day after bypass
    surgery?

    Is this self prophesy?

    Hyperketonemia would be a concern for folks with known
    atherosclerosis.

    Quoted message said:

    This leads me to my second question:

    If his chloresterol was so low before and he had no
    blockages 5 years ago when he had a dye test how did he
    get 2 cloged arteries since then?

    My guess is that he had blockages 5 years ago that weren't
    bad enough for angioplasty or bypass surgery. And, they
    worsened because your dad still had metabolic syndrome
    (MetS) that was not adequately treated (i.e. cured).

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  3. Don said:

    Hi, my dad is 57. He just few days ago had to have double
    bypass surgery. He is also diabetic. He is overweight but
    has been on medicine for many years which keeps his
    chloresterol lower than mine. (Around 130)

    I've read a lot of recommendations lately that say that
    people with=20 existing cardiac problems should try to get
    their serum cholesterol=20 under 100 with a favorable
    HDL/LDL ratio.

    Quoted message said:

    My question is: What type of diet does he need to follow
    after surgery? I figure a low chloresterol, low sodium
    diet. I am not trying to start any wars about whcih diet
    is best.=20

    He needs a reasonably balanced diet relatively high in
    protein to help=20 his body repair the trauma of the
    surgery. Here's the body of a note I=20 posted on a mailing
    list in 1999, after my bypass.

    <<< begin quote >>>

    Speaking of food...

    After my recent surgery, I felt lethargic. A friend
    (medical writer) went out on the net and found some very
    interesting stuff about post-traumatic (open-heart surgery
    is VERY traumatic) nutrition and found info for the amount
    of protein desirable and caloric requirements in the
    circumstances. Cells are being repaired and for that
    reason, the major nutritive requirement is protein. Beyond
    that, to my surprise, even though activity is reduced, MORE
    calories than usual are necessary, for the same reason. The
    suggested protein level is 1.5 grams of protein per kilo of
    body weight per day. Not meat, protein. I weigh 83 kilos
    with all this inactivity. That translates into lots of
    meat, eggs and cheese.

    Very interesting stuff and, for me, smack on. I was trying
    to do a more broadly balanced diet and was feeling weak.
    Switched to this approach and immediately - the same day -
    felt better. Mood improved, energy came up and general sense
    of well-being improved. Hardly statistically important - one
    man's experience - but confirmatory.

    According to the formula for caloric needs, I should be
    taking in almost 3,000 calories per day, tapering off as I
    get closer to pre-surgical condition. It's been almost 5
    weeks now and I'm very close to baseline now so I've cut
    back on the food.

    I've also had the unfortunate task of disposing of the
    candies I bought for Halloween. I'm doing very well with
    that project, thank you. Whew.

    Pastorio
    -------------------------------------------------------
    ----------

    [source: "Surgical Nutrition," a lecture by Michael L.
    Cheatham, Assistant Director, Surgical/Trauma ICU, Orlando
    Regional Healthcare System, Orlando, Florida; can be found
    at <mdacco.comsurg
    med/Lectures/surgnutr.html>]

    The Harris-Benedict equation is perhaps the most commonly
    used method of estimating a patient=92s metabolic energy
    requirements. It calculates the estimated basal energy
    expenditure=20 (BEE) in kcal/day for a patient using the
    following equations:

    Male: BEE =3D 66 + (13.7)(weight in kg) + (5)(height in
    cm) - (6.8)(age) Female: BEE =3D 665 + (9.6)(weight in kg) +
    (1.8)(height in cm) - (4.7)(age)

    The resting energy expenditure (REE) is considered to
    estimate a patient=92s true metabolic energy requirements
    after accounting for activity and the stress of injury and
    can be calculated using the BEE as:

    REE =3D BEE * activity factor * injury factor

    Activity factor: bedrest 1.2 ambulatory 1.3

    Injury factor: minor surgery 1.2 trauma 1.35 sepsis
    1.6 burns 2.1

    The Harris-Benedict equation was derived from the energy
    requirements of healthy volunteers and is therefore
    not=20 directly applicable to critically ill patients.
    While the BEE tends to underestimate the true metabolic
    requirements of the surgical patient,=20 the REE commonly
    overestimates energy requirements. Nutritional=20 therapy
    based on these measurements alone will therefore likely
    lead=20 to overfeeding. The Harris-Benedict equation is,
    however, frequently=20 used as an initial estimate of a
    patient=92s energy requirements in=20 order to begin
    nutritional support.

    Surgical patients are inherently catabolic due to the stress
    imposed by their disease process, operative intervention,
    and metabolic recovery. Thus, they require increased protein
    administration to prevent further protein breakdown. These
    patients=20 also have increased energy and protein
    requirements to provide for=20 wound healing as well as the
    need to replace protein which is lost=20 from wounds and
    fistulae. Estimation of protein requirements must=20
    therefore take these increased losses into account.

    Because of the inaccuracy associated with determination of
    protein requirements, the current recommendations are that
    an estimate of 1.5 grams of protein/kg/day should be used in
    calculating protein administration for surgical patients.
    For comparison, a healthy person requires approximately 0.8
    grams of protein/kg/day. Administration of more than 1.5
    grams/kg/day exceeds the body=92s=20 ability to incorporate
    protein and does little to restore nitrogen=20 balance.

    Quoted message said:

    But I started myself eating less carbohydrates. (I am not
    following an Atkins plan per say). I eat bacon for
    breakfast, a piece of chicken for lunch with diet coke
    and some cheese cubes, and a regular dinner of whatever
    my wife fixes. During the day I drink 2 low carb shakes
    and eat 2 Atkins low carb candy bars a day. I have lost
    25 lbs since January and my total chloresterol has went
    from 203 last August to 144 last month. My tryglicerides
    went from 253 to 53 and my HDL went up from 40 to 47.
    Would a low carb approach be dangerous for my dad after
    bypass surgery?=20

    It likely won't be dangerous, but check with his doctor.

    Pastorio

    This leads me to my second question:

    Quoted message said:

    =20
    If his chloresterol was so low before and he had no
    blockages 5 years ago when he had a dye test how did he
    get 2 cloged arteries since then?

  4. Hi Don,

    I'm suggesting that you might ask about a Cardio Rehab
    program for your dad, as soon as he gets stable and up and
    about. They have these programs at many hospitals. They
    monitor you and check your indicators, weight, BP, etc.
    Meet 2 or 3 days a week. Also, your dad will be exposed to
    lots of good info to help him live a long life, not to
    mention the chance to talk to others in the program.
    Initially, he has to get lots of rest when home, TLC, and
    take his meds. Rest is important. Low stress around him, is
    best. Good Luck!

    "Don" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi, my dad is 57. He just few days ago had to have double
    bypass surgery. He is also diabetic. He is overweight but
    has been on medicine for many years which keeps his
    chloresterol lower than mine. (Around 130)

    My question is: What type of diet does he need to follow
    after surgery? I figure a low chloresterol, low sodium
    diet. I am not trying to start any wars about whcih diet
    is best. But I started myself eating less carbohydrates.
    (I am not following an Atkins plan per say). I east bacon
    for breakfast, a piece of chicken for lunch with diet coke
    and some cheese cubes, and a regular dinner of whatever my
    wife fixes. During the day I drink 2 low carb shakes and
    eat 2 Atkins low carb candy bars a day. I have lost 25 lbs
    since January and my total chloresterol has went from 203
    last August to 144 last month. My tryglicerides went from
    253 to 53 and my HDL went up from 40 to 47. Would a low
    carb approach be dangerous for my day after bypass
    surgery? This leads me to my second question:

    If his chloresterol was so low before and he had no
    blockages 5 years ago when he had a dye test how did he
    get 2 cloged arteries since then?

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Don) said:

    Hi, my dad is 57. He just few days ago had to have double
    bypass surgery. He is also diabetic. He is overweight but
    has been on medicine for many years which keeps his
    chloresterol lower than mine. (Around 130)

    130 is too high for a diabetic.

    --
    "Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
    - Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather

  6. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Would a low carb approach be dangerous for my day after
    bypass surgery?



    I meant "Is this approach dangerous for my dad after
    bypass surgery?"

    Quoted message said:

    Is this self prophesy?

    Hyperketonemia would be a concern for folks with known
    atherosclerosis.

    Quoted message said:

    This leads me to my second question:

    If his chloresterol was so low before and he had no
    blockages 5 years ago when he had a dye test how did he
    get 2 cloged arteries since then?

    My guess is that he had blockages 5 years ago that weren't
    bad enough for angioplasty or bypass surgery. And, they
    worsened because your dad still had metabolic syndrome
    (MetS) that was not adequately treated (i.e. cured).


    How do you cure metabolic syndome?

  7. Don said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Would a low carb approach be dangerous for my day
    after bypass surgery?



    I meant "Is this approach dangerous for my dad after
    bypass surgery?"

    Quoted message said:

    Is this self prophesy?

    Hyperketonemia would be a concern for folks with known
    atherosclerosis.

    Quoted message said:

    This leads me to my second question:

    If his chloresterol was so low before and he had no
    blockages 5 years ago when he had a dye test how did
    he get 2 cloged arteries since then?

    My guess is that he had blockages 5 years ago that
    weren't bad enough for angioplasty or bypass surgery.
    And, they worsened because your dad still had metabolic
    syndrome (MetS) that was not adequately treated (i.e.
    cured).


    How do you cure metabolic syndome?

    Quoted message said:

    By losing weight to reach "ideal" body weight (BMI of
    about 20).

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
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  8. [email hidden] (Don) wrote in part:

    Quoted message said:

    How do you cure metabolic syndome?

    Weight loss and exercise.

  9. On 30 Mar 2004 05:20:18 -0800, [email hidden] (Don) wrote
    (in part):

    Quoted message said:

    How do you cure metabolic syndome?

    ........................

    AHA Recommendation:

    More studies are needed to understand the relationship
    between metabolic risk factors and the efficacy of drug
    therapy in people who have the metabolic syndrome.

    To gain the most benefit from modifying multiple metabolic
    risk factors, the underlying insulin resistant state must
    become a target of therapy. The safest, most effective and
    preferred way to reduce insulin resistance in overweight and
    obese people is weight loss and increased physical activity.

    Other steps for managing the metabolic syndrome are also
    important for patients and their doctors:

    Routinely monitor body weight (especially the index
    for central obesity), blood glucose, lipoproteins and
    blood pressure.
    * Treat individual risk factors (hyperlipidemia,
    hypertension and high blood glucose) according to
    established guidelines.
    * Carefully choose anti-hypertensive drugs because
    different agents have different effects on insulin
    sensitivity.

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    stephen nagler

  10. Jim Chinnis said:

    [email hidden] (Don) wrote in part:

    Quoted message said:

    How do you cure metabolic syndome?

    Weight loss and exercise.

    Weight loss is necessary and sufficient. Exercise may help
    facilitate weight loss for some people.

    Paraplegics (and others similarly unable to exercise) who
    have metabolic syndrome are still curable.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

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    Board-Certified Cardiologist
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