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  1. I am looking for what will basically be my first bike (apart
    from when I was young - im now coming up to 30!) and am
    looking for recommendations.

    I have been to Halfords and spotted an Apollo Excelle for
    ladies which either works out at £149 or £99 depending on
    which model I would want (or so i'm told by the very helpful
    lad working there for a minimum wage.)

    I would like a mountain bike as I wouldnt want to be
    restricted to just road riding but im not sure whether all
    the bikes with suspension and stuff are better than those
    without - any ideas?

    I would like to spend around £150 at most really.

    Could anyone here point me in the right direction?

    Many thanks

    Sandra Luney

  2. "Sandi Luney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I am looking for what will basically be my first bike
    (apart from when I


    was

    Quoted message said:

    young - im now coming up to 30!) and am looking for
    recommendations.

    I have been to Halfords and spotted an Apollo Excelle for
    ladies which either works out at £149 or £99 depending on
    which model I would want (or


    so

    Quoted message said:

    i'm told by the very helpful lad working there for a
    minimum wage.)

    I would like a mountain bike as I wouldnt want to be
    restricted to just


    road

    Quoted message said:

    riding but im not sure whether all the bikes with
    suspension and stuff are better than those without -
    any ideas?

    I would like to spend around £150 at most really.

    Could anyone here point me in the right direction?

    Many thanks

    Sandra Luney

    Have a look at Edinburgh Bicycle. A good selection at
    their online site


    and good prices too. Good luck.

    Graham

  3. Quoted message said:

    I am looking for what will basically be my first bike
    (apart from when I was young - im now coming up to 30!) and
    am looking for recommendations.

    You're a mere babe in arms ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    I have been to Halfords and spotted an Apollo Excelle for
    ladies which either works out at £149 or £99 depending on
    which model I would want (or so i'm told by the very
    helpful lad working there for a minimum wage.)

    Personally, I won't buy a bike from Halfords ever again.
    Bought the offspring a basic MTB there and it went back a
    few times. Even had to point out to the nice lad on minimum
    wage why things were wrong (so darned obvious that even this
    non-technical bike user could spot it, but nice lad on
    minimum wage couldn't).

    Quoted message said:

    I would like a mountain bike as I wouldnt want to be
    restricted to just road riding but im not sure whether all
    the bikes with suspension and stuff are better than those
    without - any ideas?

    Have a think about a hybrid. MTBs are not ideal for on road
    - but you can swap knobbly tyres for those more suitable
    for on road.

    Quoted message said:

    I would like to spend around £150 at most really.

    For that budget don't even consider any suspension bits.
    Suspension bikes that are good cost oodles of toonas, a lot
    more than £150. You'd get more bike for your money if you go
    without cheap & nasty suspension bits and for your budget,
    sadly that's what you'd get. Sadly, these days £150 isn't
    going to get you much by way of a decent new bike.

    Think about a second-hand bike - especially if you've got
    access to someone who can help you choose wisely.

    If you are going to do a mixture of road & light off-road,
    I'd suggest a hybrid (cross between a MTB and a road bike).

    Have a look at the bikes at

    edinburgh-bicycle.co.ukedinburgh-bicycle.co.uk

    Best of luck, helen s

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  4. Sandi Luney said:

    I am looking for what will basically be my first bike
    (apart from when I was young - im now coming up to 30!)
    and am looking for recommendations.

    I have been to Halfords and spotted an Apollo Excelle for
    ladies which either works out at £149 or £99 depending on
    which model I would want (or so i'm told by the very
    helpful lad working there for a minimum wage.)

    I've just looked it up. Full suspension for £109 - run a
    mile. The cheapest new suspension fork I can find is £100
    for something with a brand name, and a decent mountain bike
    with front suspension costs about £250 minimum. At that
    £100 for the whole bike, the suspension will be useless or
    worse than (think bouncing up and down as you pedal, or
    rock hard). It'll also be very, very heavy compared to a
    normal bike.

    IME Halfords branches can be good, and others can be bad. My
    local one has a bloke who's obviously into his biking and
    seems to understand the technical side of these things more
    than I do. OTOH, I went into a Halfords in Norwich today and
    the staff knew less than I did, and I've only been cycling a
    month or so. Your local bike shop might have more
    knowledgeable staff, but they also tend to be selling more
    expensive bikes

    Quoted message said:

    I would like a mountain bike as I wouldnt want to be
    restricted to just road riding but im not sure whether all
    the bikes with suspension and stuff are better than those
    without - any ideas?

    Bear in mind that people managed actually riding up and down
    mountains for a good few years before they started making
    suspension bikes, so there's no need for it on the usual
    track through the woods type of off road riding most people
    do. As other people have said, go for a hybrid (basically
    looks similar to a mountain bike but is designed more for
    the road) or mountain bike without suspension. If you get a
    mountain bike, swapping the tyres for slicks or semi slicks
    will make a big difference to what road riding is like, but
    obviously it reduces your ability on stuff like mud and wet
    grass. As long as you don't buy a road race bike (narrow
    wheels, drop bars and so on), you should be able to manage
    most terrain.

    Quoted message said:

    I would like to spend around £150 at most really.

    Could anyone here point me in the right direction?

    In Halfords, something like their "Town and Country" bikes.
    I'd try your local bike shops and tell them what sort of
    riding you'll be doing rather than just looking at what
    Halfords have, what I've seen of their stock is that it's
    mainly limited to their Apollo bikes. A basic rigid frame
    bike will be a lot lighter and the other parts of the bike
    will be better quality than a front or full suspension bike
    at anything like the same price. I reckon if you buy
    something with full suspension and knobbly tyres it'll end
    up in the back of the garage in a few weeks as it'll just be
    hard work to ride.

    You'll also probably want to swap the saddle on one of the
    Halfords bikes if you start doing any rides of a decent
    distance. The ones I saw today seemed to be of the big and
    squidgy variety, whereas it's pretty universally agreed
    that what you want is a fairly hard saddle that presses on
    your "sit bones" which are the bits of your pelvis that
    are meant to take you weight when you sit down. A hard
    saddle does take some getting used to though, and cycling
    shorts / undies do make a big difference, as does more
    riding to get used to
    it.

  5. In article <[email hidden]>, Simon

    Brooke said:

    Any bike with front suspension less than about £300, or
    full suspension less than about £1,000, is a bit suspect.

    Normally but not always - I regularly buy "end of runs" or
    "last years model" or *I don't know who picked that paint
    job" for very little but I do have to buy them as part of a
    job lot - I recently bought 2 alu. mtb frames for a fiver -
    not each! However if I am selling these I only put on my
    normal mark up. I had some very nice Concept front
    suspension bikes which I was selling for £125 - normal trade
    was nearer £500.

    Quoted message said:

    Good suspension components are expensive, and cheap ones
    are both very poor and very heavy.

    As above - normally but not always - bankrupt or clearance
    sales can yield some little gems. I recently bought some
    bundles of Conti tyres for a fiver a bundle and a boxful of
    brake levers - some hydraulic - for a fiver.

    Quoted message said:

    Weight makes a huge difference to riding a bike,
    particularly off road and up hills.

    Unfortunately very true but in my case it ain't the bike
    that is the weight :-((

    Go to your LBS and ask for advice which will almost always
    be freely given - if you buy your bike locally you will have
    a return point if anything goes wrong - you will probably
    get a discount on anything else you buy. I don't expect you
    to come to me but I've only been selling/hiring bikes for
    about 40 years so I've still got a lot to learn.

    --
    A T (Sandy) Morton on the Bicycle Island In the Global
    Village millport.netmillport.net

  6. In article <[email hidden]>, Doki

    Quoted message said:

    I reckon if you buy something with full suspension and
    knobbly tyres it'll end up in the back of the garage in a
    few weeks as it'll just be hard work to ride.

    Almost very OT but speaking to our local doctor today it
    seems that the average used life of an exercise bike is
    TWO hours!

    --
    A T (Sandy) Morton on the Bicycle Island In the Global
    Village millport.netmillport.net

  7. Sandy Morton said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Doki

    Quoted message said:

    I reckon if you buy something with full suspension and
    knobbly tyres it'll end up in the back of the garage in a
    few weeks as it'll just be hard work to ride.

    Almost very OT but speaking to our local doctor today it
    seems that the average used life of an exercise bike is
    TWO hours!

    I can well believe it. When I was on my bike the other day I
    thought something very similar. Riding a bike down hills
    like a nutcase is exciting, and riding to places is
    enjoyable. Riding a bike in your front room is just boring
    and knackering...

  8. Hello!

    I have similarly only just returned to cycling, am a little older than you and can recommend it, cycling that is not age.

    I used this forum for advice and have ended up with a hybrid - Marin Kentfield - and am very happy with it - (apart from still working on adjusting the fit/comfort). I am using it on muddy B roads and tracks with steep hills mainly for commute but also just because. I haven't found it wanting and am glad I have not gone down the unneccesary MTB route. If I were to choose again I may just look for something with a bigger top cog but that's all.

    From what I can work out the average mtb owner you see on the road is the biking equivalent of the 4WD owner - fully capable of invading Iraq but only goes to Tescos.

    I was concerned about grip and climbing beforehand but have cornered fast on gravel and cow pat without coming off on my relatively narrow tyres and have got up my steep hills by spinning in 1st so unless you really need the all terrain tires & suspension of an MTB go for someting more appropriate. Suspension adds weight, big tyres add resistance so overall you end up going slower.

    I reckon finding a proper LBS (hate Halfords and all they stand for) and seeing what they have in stock and going for test rides should be your next move. Try before you buy and do distance on your test bike is my advice & if the bike shop objects stuff 'em.

    Regards Fat Lad

  9. "Sandy Morton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Almost very OT but speaking to our local doctor today it
    seems that the average used life of an exercise bike is
    TWO hours!

    Quoted message said:

    A T (Sandy) Morton on the Bicycle Island In the Global
    Village millport.netmillport.net

    Maybe. However, it'll feel like two years. I gave mine to
    the local charity shop. Paul.

  10. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Sandi Luney
    I am looking for what will basically be my first bike (apart
    from when I was young - im now coming up to 30!) and am
    looking for recommendations.

    [snip]

    I would like a mountain bike as I wouldnt want to be
    restricted to just road riding but im not sure whether all
    the bikes with suspension and stuff are better than those
    without - any ideas?

    I would like to spend around £150 at most really.

    Could anyone here point me in the right direction?

    Many thanks

    Sandra Luney

    What's going on with people making out that they are old when they are coming up to 30?? I passed 30 some years ago and I don't feel old 😄

    I'd have to agree with the recommendation to go with a hybrid bike, just like Fat Lad says (I was thinking of a Marin Point Reyes for my winter bike - looks nice). I think that a full suspension bike for under £150 is going to land you in lots of trouble.

    As for needing the gears to get up hills, unless you are climbing some monster hills I would have thought a 38t front and 26t rear would get you up almost anything.

    Think about how comfortable you feel in various cycling positions, as getting your bike fit right will play a big part in your future enjoyment. If you want to be going fast then having a "sit up and beg" posture on the big isn't going to help, and vice versa.

    I've no doubt there are some bargains to be had on the used-bike front. One of my LBS regularly has some good deals on wheels from people who are trading in their "old" bike and looking to move upward (most cyclists get the urge to upgrade now and again). If your LBS is friendly they might be able to spot a bargain for you.

    Oh yes, as well as your new bike, get some cycling shorts - your [censored] will thank you for it 😉

  11. "McBain_v1" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    As for needing the gears to get up hills, unless you are
    climbing some monster hills I would have thought a 38t
    front and 26t rear would get you up almost anything.

    Sorry but the non-macho amongst us that's not true. At the
    end of an long climb or short climb at the end of a long
    ride I and my knees are truly grateful for the 30 tooth
    inner on my triple!

    Julia

  12. Sandi Luney said:

    I would like a mountain bike as I wouldnt want to be
    restricted to just=


    road

    Quoted message said:

    riding but im not sure whether all the bikes with
    suspension and stuff =


    are

    Quoted message said:

    better than those without - any ideas?

    See other comments as to advisability of suspension (i.e.,
    not very, at=20 this price level). A MTB is clearly the best
    thing if you're doing=20 rough stuff, but by rough I mean
    rocks that you can't pick up in one=20 hand and large vats
    of mud that you think you might get lost in all=20 coupled
    to seriously uneven ground. If that isn't the description,
    and=20 to be quite honest a lot of off-road that gets done
    isn't, then you=20 shouldn't have any great problem cycling
    it on just about anything short =

    of a dedicated road racer. I ride a folding bike with wee
    16" wheels=20 through the local woods with no problem at
    all. OTOH, a MTB with typical knobbly tyres is a great
    deal harder work on=20 the roads. Nothing stopping you
    changing the tyres, but unless you're=20 into those mud
    vats you don't have any great use for knobbly tyres, so=20
    why bother?

    Quoted message said:

    I would like to spend around =A3150 at most really.

    I'd agree with the comments about 2nd hand. I'd personally
    put a=20 baseline of about =A3200 on a new bike. In the UK
    folk have the general =

    perception that spending a relatively small amount on a Lada
    or the like =

    is a false economy compared to a basic Ford/Vauxhall etc.,
    but though=20 the same principle applies the same
    consideration rarely spills over to=20 cycles. You really
    do get what you pay for, and a basic bike with no=20
    suspension at =A3250 will almost certainly be a vastly
    better machine to =

    ride than a suspended bike at half the cost. If a bike isn't
    a pleasure =

    to ride it'll end up in the back of the garage, so even
    though it=20 doesn't cost much the value for money is still
    very poor.

    Personally if I wanted a new bike at a budget price it would
    probably be =

    something like the Ridgeback Rapide Series Speed. Depsite
    the name it's =

    actually a sensible bike rather than a speeder:=20 w-w-
    ww.ridgeback.co.uk/bikes/2004/bike.asp?seriesid=3D21&index=-
    3D2 an= d=20 note you get mudguards[1] and luggage rack[2]
    in the price, and though=20 it's =A350 more than you were
    looking at it's a better bike, with all the=
    =20
    money going on genuinely useful stuff. And it'll do
    simple tracks=20 through the woods, towpaths etc. with no
    trouble at all.

    Pete.

    [1] typically the sporty or pseudo-sporty bikes sold in the
    UK don't=20 have mudguards, 'cause they're (a) not cool
    and (b) cost money you could =

    spend on comedy suspension units etc. But if you don't have
    them, and=20 ride through a big puddle, you'll experience an
    instant bout of colonic=20 irrigation... If you don't mind
    being sprayed with cack any time the=20 roads and trails are
    wet they are pretty pointless, but lots of us *do*=20 mind!

    [2] if you're carrying any stuff on the bike for more than a
    few minutes =

    it's a lot more comfortable carrying in on the bike than
    on you, simply=20 because you don't have to support the
    weight yourself.

    --=20 Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111
    ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382
    640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net
    [email hidden] dundee.ac.uk~pjclinch

  13. Peter Clinch said:
    Sandi Luney said:

    I would like a mountain bike as I wouldnt want to be
    restricted to just road riding but im not sure whether
    all the bikes with suspension and stuff are better than
    those without - any ideas?

    See other comments as to advisability of suspension (i.e.,
    not very, at this price level). A MTB is clearly the best
    thing if you're doing rough stuff, but by rough I mean
    rocks that you can't pick up in one hand and large vats of
    mud that you think you might get lost in all coupled to
    seriously uneven ground. If that isn't the description,
    and to be quite honest a lot of off-road that gets done
    isn't, then you shouldn't have any great problem cycling
    it on just about anything short of a dedicated road racer.

    Actually the only things that make riding a road race bike
    (20mm tyres) cross country are:

    1. lumpy ground that makes your arms feel like they are
    coming out of theier sockets

    2. mud so you get no traction

    3. loose sand/gravel which makes steering interesting.

    And that is about as inappropriate a use as you can get for
    a bike. A normal hybrid will do you just fine for what you
    are describing.

    Quoted message said:

    I ride a folding bike with wee 16" wheels through the
    local woods with no problem at all. OTOH, a MTB with
    typical knobbly tyres is a great deal harder work on the
    roads. Nothing stopping you changing the tyres, but unless
    you're into those mud vats you don't have any great use
    for knobbly tyres, so why bother?

    I've ridden all sorts of things in all sorts of
    conditions. For normal trails and roads, the hybrid will
    be perfect for you.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I would like to spend around £150 at most really.

    I'd agree with the comments about 2nd hand. I'd personally
    put a baseline of about £200 on a new bike.

    Quoted message said:

    If a bike isn't a pleasure to ride it'll end up in the
    back of the garage, so even though it doesn't cost much
    the value for money is still very poor.

    And this includes how easy it is to keep adjusted and
    working well.

    Quoted message said:


    Personally if I wanted a new bike at a budget price it
    would probably be something like the Ridgeback Rapide
    Series Speed.

    This does look ideal for a new bike. It will be an ideal
    first bike if (a) you must buy new and (b) your budget
    is limited.

    Quoted message said:

    [1] typically the sporty or pseudo-sporty bikes sold in
    the UK don't have mudguards, 'cause they're (a) not
    cool and (b) cost money you could spend on comedy
    suspension units etc. But if you don't have them, and
    ride through a big puddle, you'll experience an
    instant bout of colonic irrigation... If you don't
    mind being sprayed with cack any time the roads and
    trails are wet they are pretty pointless, but lots of
    us *do* mind!

    You really do not want to buy anything cheaper than this
    new. It will be awful. The best bet is to find a
    knowledgeable friend and look at the small ads for
    something nice.

    Quoted message said:

    [2] if you're carrying any stuff on the bike for more than
    a few minutes it's a lot more comfortable carrying in
    on the bike than on you, simply because you don't have
    to support the weight yourself.

    Absolutely..

    ..d

  14. Wow what a friendly group of people you all are! I didn't
    expect such a response.

    I have taken the advice and will be steering clear of
    Halfords and taking a bit of time to look around and save up
    a little more money for a better bike.

    I like the idea of the hybrid bike and never knew that such
    a thing existed which is great. I didnt really want to
    limit myself to a road bike incase I was presented with a
    terrain that would cause discomfort for me (or my new road
    going bike for that matter). On the other hand I wouldnt
    have guessed that the knobbly tyres on a mountain bike
    would make it that much harder to ride on the road.... Is
    this really true?

    I also gather from what you all say that full suspension
    bikes at a low price would be bad but what would be so bad
    about them? Would the suspension stop working after a while?
    If so then I would hassle for a refund or repair anyway... I
    was mainly thinking that the suspension would make the ride
    a bit more comfortable really.

    Again many thanks for all your replies to my little problem!

    Regards

    Sandi

    p.s

    "I am looking for what will basically be my first bike
    (apart from when I was young - im now coming up to 30!) and
    am looking for recommendations."

    I didnt exactly mean that I was mega-old here just that my
    first bike was when I was 7 or so :0)

    (mind you saying that 30 is getting on a bit.....)

  15. On 7/4/04 11:43 am, in article [email hidden], "Sandi

    Luney said:

    Wow what a friendly group of people you all are! I didn't
    expect such a response.

    grin ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    I also gather from what you all say that full suspension
    bikes at a low price would be bad but what would be so
    bad about them? Would the suspension stop working after
    a while?


    Good suspension is invisible. You don't notice it because it
    does what it is supposed to. Bad suspension will sap your
    energy (making you bounce up and down instead of going
    forwards) will add extra weight and will reduce the
    stiffness of the bike. All these things are bad. Cheap
    components tend to not work as well, wear out quicker and go
    out of adjustment quicker.

    For what you are going to be using the bike for, keep
    clear of suspension. Don't buy from anywhere that won't
    let you take it for a good test ride (ie not just round
    the car park).

    Quoted message said:

    If so then I would hassle for a refund or repair anyway...
    I was mainly thinking that the suspension would make the
    ride a bit more comfortable really.

    It might. It also might make it heavy.

    Try a range of different bikes at a good bike shop. Bear in
    mind that you will need a good pump to keep the tyres up to
    pressure, and a few other basic accessories can make it more
    comfortable.

    ..d

  16. Quoted message said:

    Wow what a friendly group of people you all are! I didn't
    expect such a response.

    LOL! Just wait around, there's *bound* to be some
    disagreements come along ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    On the other hand I wouldnt have guessed that the knobbly
    tyres on a mountain bike would make it that much harder to
    ride on the road.... Is this really true?

    Yes.

    Quoted message said:

    I also gather from what you all say that full suspension
    bikes at a low price would be bad but what would be so bad
    about them?

    They are [censored] - plain and simple. The components are cheap,
    nasty and can/do break easily.

    Quoted message said:

    I was mainly thinking that the suspension would make the
    ride a bit more comfortable really.

    For light off-road use, suspension really isn't a must-have
    item. Honest :-) *Good* suspension on a bike costs oodles of
    toonas and is great if you are going to be doing serious off-
    road stuff but for the average cyclist, doing average
    cycling on road with a bit off off-road trails & paths, it
    really isn't *necessary*.

    Cheers, helen s

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  17. "Sandi Luney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    On the other hand I wouldnt have guessed that the knobbly
    tyres on a mountain bike would make it that much harder to
    ride on the road.... Is this really true?

    Yes, it really is. The knobbly bits are only really useful
    on soft surfaces such as mud. For the road a slick tyre is
    ideal - tread is not helpful at all even in the wet. Most
    road tyres have a tread of some kind because the tyre buying
    public, including many experienced cyclists, have trouble
    believing this.

    --
    Dave...

  18. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Sandi Luney
    (snippitypoohs)
    [/b]I like the idea of the hybrid bike and never knew that such
    a thing existed which is great. I didnt really want to
    limit myself to a road bike incase I was presented with a
    terrain that would cause discomfort for me (or my new road
    going bike for that matter). [/b]


    Hybrids are the future! Unless you are clad in yellow lycra or gnarly 😉

    I had to laff at your worry about discomfort- my backside has really taken a pounding since I started and I'm not confident there will be future Fat Lad generations.

  19. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Fat Lad
    Hybrids are the future! Unless you are clad in yellow lycra or gnarly 😉

    I had to laff at your worry about discomfort- my backside has really taken a pounding since I started and I'm not confident there will be future Fat Lad generations.

    What's up with yellow lycra?? 😄

    You ride a Marin Kentfield don't you Fat Lad? How are you finding it? Like I said earlier, I like the Point Reyes but at nearly £995 with the carbon forks it seems a little extravagant for a winter bike :eek: Instead I was thinking about the Marin Hawk Hill or the Fairfax. As a Marin rider, you got any thoughts?

    As for your future progeny, you never know, some lasses might find scrotal abnormalities attractive 😉

  20. Snippity Originally posted by McBain_v1
    What's up with yellow lycra?? 😄

    Don't get me started on this. Suffice to say - style self respect & bodyshape. :o

    As for the Kentfield - I have not compared it to other Marins. My choice was limited by budget (I paid £300 with rack & comp thrown in) so the more expensive Marin hybrids were out of reach and I had already decided not to bother with any MTBs.
    My choice was based on the comparison of a better equipped & slightly cheaper Dawes something, some other unmemorable thing and a Raleigh wotsit. I took these for a ride and the Marin was definitely superior. Quicker, nicer gear mechanism and felt right.
    Since having it I have had no problems apart from the uncomfortable seat but to be fair I think this is not a Marin trait. I need to get the thing in for its free service because I think the gear cable may need tightening - you have to be firm with it but apart from that no problems.
    I ride on farm lanes and a bridlepath so the surface is loose & rugged. Combined weight of Fat Lad & assorted [censored] is around 120kg ( I have a big lock - honest!). I've done over 200 mostly dry miles with some quite steep bits. I've been fast (51kph) and slow (lowest gear spinning up hill).
    It still feels a good bike no signs of rust or seizure so I can't fault it really except I'd like the bars to be a couple of inches wider and further forward but that is my ape like proportions. I will have to get mudguards fitted but I don't think that will be a problem there seems to be enough space.
    On the whole I'm pleased with it, it hasn't broken and I still like riding it.

    :eek:
    Bear in mind that I only returned to cycling this year so my experience on modern cycles is limited.

    😄

    Altogether now..... For Engerland....Together!

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