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  1. Could milk be a cause of cancer? news.independent.co-news.independent.co-
    .uk/uk/health/story.jsp?story=510774 We all know that cancer
    is linked with diet. Now a controversial theory singles out
    dairy products as a possible trigger, writes Jane Feinmann
    12 April 2004

    Food was the last thing on Amanda Myer's mind when she
    was first diagnosed with breast cancer four years ago,
    at the age of 43. "I was already eating what I
    considered to be a healthy, balanced diet and didn't
    see any need to change it. I'd read somewhere that
    kiwi fruit contained lots of antioxidants, so I'd have
    one every day, and I think I started buying organic
    milk. But that was as far as it went."

    A year later, after the cancer had cleared and then
    returned, it was a different story. "It was a question
    of, ah, how am I going to get out of this scrape," she
    recalls. "I was lucky to be receiving excellent
    medical treatment, but I felt I needed something
    extra, that this time I really had to find a way to
    help myself."

    Before she even underwent further hospital treatment,
    she took her sister's advice and went on a residential
    course at Bristol Cancer Help Centre (BCHC), the
    holistic charity that has pioneered physical,
    spiritual and emotional support for people with
    cancer. Now recovered, she was told by her consultant
    last month that she was his "fittest patient". And she
    puts her health status down to the Centre's supportive
    counselling, to learning relaxation and visualisation
    techniques - and, above all, to finding out what to
    eat and what not to eat to stop her cancer recurring.

    From its beginnings, BCHC has been associated with the
    provision of nutritional advice - in the early years,
    promoting the faddish Bristol Diet, involving much
    juicing and regular coffee enemas. More recently,
    however, it has brought together the growing mass of
    evidence showing, for instance, the link between diet,
    obesity and cancer. Now, however, it is edging towards
    controversy again by taking on one of the most
    contentious issues in nutrition today.

    Last month, the centre invited the eminent scientist
    Professor Jane Plant MBE, bestselling author of Your
    Life in Your Hands - Understanding, Preventing and
    Overcoming Breast Cancer (Virgin Books), to address an
    audience of scientists, doctors and policy-makers at a
    keynote lecture on diet and cancer. The specific aim
    of the event was to spark a debate over whether dairy
    food should carry a health warning in relation to
    specific cancers.

    Professor Plant's war against dairy and non-organic
    food started 10 years ago, after her breast cancer had
    recurred four times in the space of a few years. The
    presence of a huge tumour in the side of her neck, and
    a prognosis of less than three months, inevitably
    focused her mind. She spent an evening brainstorming
    with her husband, also a scientist, who had recently
    returned from working in China, over the possible
    reason why one in 10 women get breast cancer in the UK
    compared to one in 10,000 in China.

    "Something rather special happened," she recalls.
    "Peter and I have worked together so closely over the
    years that I am not sure which one of us first said,
    'The Chinese don't eat dairy produce'." Recalling the
    slang name for breast cancer in China - "Rich women's
    disease", because "they're people who eat Hong Kong
    food, things like ice cream and cheese", provided
    further confirmation - as did her further foray into
    the science behind the epidemiology.

    Hormones and chemicals in cow's milk, designed to
    provoke the rapid early growth of infant cattle, she
    discovered, include insulin growth factor IGF-1, which
    causes cells to divide and reproduce - exactly the
    mechanism that occurs when tumours develop. There were
    small but significant studies proving the role of IGF-
    1 in the development of cancer - for instance, showing
    that pre-menopausal women with high levels of IGF-1
    have a higher than average risk of breast cancer, as
    do dairy-eating vegetarians.

    By then, however, Plant was already convinced. Having
    thrown everything dairy into the rubbish bin that
    evening, she found that the lump started to reduce in
    size within days and disappeared within weeks. Her
    experience in personally advising scores of other
    women, and thousands of others who have read her book
    and e-mailed her "to thank me for saving their lives"
    has convinced her of a "clear link between breast
    cancer and dairy produce".

    Her new book, Understanding, Preventing and Overcoming
    Prostate Cancer, published next month by Virgin Books,
    will recommend the same diet of non-dairy, exclusively
    organic produce (to avoid toxic pesticides and
    pollutants) for sufferers from this increasingly
    common tumour, which, like breast cancer, is hormone-
    related, and which, incidentally, is almost non-
    existent in rural China. If her previous book is
    anything to go by, it is set to have a major impact on
    public confidence in mainstream dietary advice.

    For the problem is that the dairy danger is viewed as
    extremist and unproven by most oncology specialists.
    The dearth of good clinical trials to support what is,
    they say, so far only a theory, means that doctors
    rarely if ever raise the question of nutrition with
    cancer patients - and skate around the issues if
    they're asked.

    For Dr Clare Shaw, consultant dietician at the Royal
    Marsden Hospital, the main priority for cancer
    patients undergoing treatment is the need to maintain
    adequate nutritional intake during gruelling radio-
    and chemotherapy. "Once that's over, people do have an
    opportunity to consider lifestyle changes that might
    help them to avoid a recurrence of cancer. But the
    issue for clinicians is that there's no evidence that
    avoiding dairy produce will bring any benefits. And
    research that can be generally applied will be
    difficult to carry out - because a diet involving no
    dairy and organic vegetables is more likely to attract
    a self-selected group of people who are middle class
    and middle-aged."

    That may be true - but a way forward must be found,
    says BCHC. Of the 11,000 people who contact its
    helpline every year, over half want information on
    nutrition. "So often following a diagnosis of cancer,
    people want to find an accessible form of self-help
    with which they can get started immediately," says the
    director of therapy, Helen Cooke. "We know that 40 per
    cent of cancers are caused by poor diet, and it seems
    highly likely that recurrences of existing cancers
    will also be affected by diet. People are fed up with
    being told to eat Mars Bars and extra ice-cream to
    keep up their weight. They want to find out what is
    truly nutritious."

    BCHC is demanding that the Government backs
    independent research to identify the role of nutrition
    in preventing cancer recurrence, and that good quality
    information is available to everyone following a
    diagnosis. It's a move backed by leading oncologist,
    Professor Karol Sikora, World Health Organisation
    adviser on cancer. "Increasingly, people with cancer
    want to know what they can do for themselves, and they
    should be given all the support and information they
    need. If for no other reason, the psychological
    benefits are proven and I have no doubt that people
    who feel in control have a better chance of survival."

    Bristol nutritionists do advise cutting back on dairy
    foods in favour of soya, with less meat and more
    grains and fruit and vegetables. But they don't go all
    the way with Jane Plant's "slightly extreme" dietary
    guidelines. "Our view is that people should try to add
    nutritious food to what they are already eating rather
    than focusing on giving things up. It's about adding
    more fruit and vegetables to what you normally eat
    rather than feeling guilty about enjoying coffee and
    croissants," says Cooke.

    The approach has worked for Amanda Myer who now avoids
    dairy food, but not fanatically. "If I'm eating out
    and there's cheese in a dish, I'll eat it quite
    happily," she says. "I can't imagine that small
    quantities can have any adverse effect, and anyway, I
    want to avoid anything that makes life more difficult.
    I'll even buy non-organic food if there's no
    alternative. But I shudder to think of the quantity of
    pesticides that I must have consumed with all the non-
    organic red wine that I used to drink. I still enjoy
    wine, but now it's all organic," she says.

    --
    M.

    --------------------------------------
    A Bright is a person who has a naturalistic world-view. A
    Bright's world-view is free of supernatural and mystical
    elements. The ethics and actions of a Bright are based on a
    naturalistic worldview. the-the-
    brights.net/here_we_stand.htm

  2. "Mr OD." <Mr [email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Could milk be a cause of cancer?

    LOL

  3. "jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Mr OD." <Mr [email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    Could milk be a cause of cancer?

    LOL

    Incredible to think how the quality of comment on this n/g
    just keeps on getting *better*...

    Ph.

  4. No one knows what causes cancer but it probably is a
    combination of things. I had breast cancer and almost never
    drank milk. There is some worry that the hormones and anti-
    biotics given to cows can cause problems in humans who eat
    the meat or drink the milk but women who have eaten kosher
    all their life have the same rate of breast cancer as women
    who haven't. Stories circulated that women who had abortions
    were at higher risks but that wasn't true either. Ditto
    deodorant causing it. Lifestyles may contribute but there
    still isn't enough evidence to say for sure. Genetics almost
    certainly plays a part.

    Dorothy

  5. Yup: someone else who didn't read the article. God bless the Web...

    Ph.

    "Dorot29701" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040412162955.15334.00000211@mb-
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    Quoted message said:

    No one knows what causes cancer but it probably is a
    combination of


    things. I

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    had breast cancer and almost never drank milk. There is
    some worry that


    the

    Quoted message said:

    hormones and anti-biotics given to cows can cause problems
    in humans who


    eat

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    the meat or drink the milk but women who have eaten kosher
    all their life


    have

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    the same rate of breast cancer as women who haven't.
    Stories circulated


    that

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    women who had abortions were at higher risks but that
    wasn't true either. Ditto deodorant causing it. Lifestyles
    may contribute but there still


    isn't

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    enough evidence to say for sure. Genetics almost certainly
    plays a part.

    Dorothy

  6. Mr OD.' Mr said:

    "Something rather special happened," she recalls.
    "Peter and I have worked together so closely over
    the years that I am not sure which one of us first
    said, 'The Chinese don't eat dairy produce'."
    Recalling the slang name for breast cancer in China
    - "Rich women's disease", because "they're people
    who eat Hong Kong food, things like ice cream and
    cheese", provided further confirmation - as did her
    further foray into the science behind the
    epidemiology.

    The reason the Chinese avoid dairy products is that
    virtually 100% of them are lactose-intolerant by adulthood,
    like most adult human beings the world over. Some
    Europeans, notably northern Europeans, retain the ability
    to digest lactose throughout their lives, and in countries
    where lactose intolerance is rare in adulthood, dairy
    products abound.

    So these women is essentially grasping at straws. very
    poor science.

    Quoted message said:

    By then, however, Plant was already convinced.
    Having thrown everything dairy into the rubbish bin
    that evening, she found that the lump started to
    reduce in size within days and disappeared within
    weeks. Her experience in personally advising scores
    of other women, and thousands of others who have
    read her book and e-mailed her "to thank me for
    saving their lives" has convinced her of a "clear
    link between breast cancer and dairy produce".

    A clear link? I don't think so.

    Quoted message said:

    Her new book ...

    Ah, here it comes.

    Quoted message said:

    For the problem is that the dairy danger is viewed
    as extremist and unproven by most oncology
    specialists.

    But what do experienced oncology specialists know, eh?

    Quoted message said:

    The dearth of good clinical trials to support what is,
    they say, so far only a theory, means that doctors rarely
    if ever raise the question of nutrition with cancer
    patients - and skate around the issues if they're asked.

    In other words, doctors tend to avoid superstition and myth.

    Quoted message said:

    ... People are fed up with being told to eat Mars Bars and
    extra ice-cream to keep up their weight. They want to find
    out what is truly nutritious."

    People with cancer-related cachexia really need to eat, and
    the more calories, the better. Malnutrition and starvation
    are major causes of death in cancer patients.

    Quoted message said:

    But I shudder to think of the quantity of pesticides that
    I must have consumed with all the non-organic red wine
    that I used to drink. I still enjoy wine, but now it's all
    organic," she says.

    Of course, it still damages her liver, since it contains
    toxic ethanol, but I guess that's okay.

    --
    Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach
    me directly.

  7. "Mxsmanic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Mr OD.' Mr said:

    "Something rather special happened," she recalls.
    "Peter and I


    have

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    worked together so closely over the years that I am not
    sure which one


    of us

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    first said, 'The Chinese don't eat dairy produce'."
    Recalling the slang


    name

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for breast cancer in China - "Rich women's disease",
    because "they're


    people

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    who eat Hong Kong food, things like ice cream and
    cheese", provided


    further

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    confirmation - as did her further foray into the science
    behind the epidemiology.

    The reason the Chinese avoid dairy products is that
    virtually 100% of them are lactose-intolerant by
    adulthood, like most adult human beings the world over.
    Some Europeans, notably northern Europeans, retain the
    ability to digest lactose throughout their lives, and in
    countries where lactose intolerance is rare in adulthood,
    dairy products abound.

    stuff: the reason *why* they don't consume it could hardly
    be further from the point where an inverse correlation
    between dairy product consumption and breast cancer is
    concerned. Get an adult to explain this to you - on the way
    to collecting the John Gohde Prize...

    Ph.

  8. Philippic said:

    stuff: the reason *why* they don't consume it could hardly
    be further from the point where an inverse correlation
    between dairy product consumption and breast cancer is
    concerned.

    Correlation is not causation.

    Quoted message said:

    Get an adult to explain this to you - on the way to
    collecting the John Gohde Prize...

    How old are you?

    --
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  9. "Mxsmanic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Philippic writes:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    stuff: the reason *why* they don't consume it could
    hardly be further


    from

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the point where an inverse correlation between dairy
    product consumption


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    breast cancer is concerned.

    Correlation is not causation.

    Quoted message said:

    Get an adult to explain this to you - on the way to
    collecting the John Gohde Prize...

    How old are you?

    Stick to the point, sonny. You're *full of [censored]*, and
    you're *busted*.

    I didn't even need to address your [censored] about
    'experienced oncology specialists' somehow knowing all about
    trans-cultural epidemiology and Far Eastern diets.

    Go home. You're an embarrassment.

    Ph.

  10. Philippic said:

    Stick to the point, sonny. You're *full of [censored]*, and
    you're *busted*.

    I was just wondering, because you gave me what you
    apparently thought was an explanation, and then said "get an
    adult to explain this to you," thereby implying that you're
    not an adult. I suppose I don't find that particularly
    difficult to believe, but I was curious and wished to
    confirm your age.

    Quoted message said:

    I didn't even need to address your [censored] about
    'experienced oncology specialists' somehow knowing all
    about trans-cultural epidemiology and Far Eastern diets.

    You didn't really address anything, IMO.

    --
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  11. "Mxsmanic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Philippic said:

    Stick to the point, sonny. You're *full of [censored]*, and
    you're *busted*.

    I was just wondering, because you gave me what you
    apparently thought was an explanation, and then said "get
    an adult to explain this to you," thereby implying that
    you're not an adult. I suppose I don't find that
    particularly difficult to believe, but I was curious and
    wished to confirm your age.

    Quoted message said:

    I didn't even need to address your [censored] about
    'experienced oncology specialists' somehow knowing all
    about trans-cultural epidemiology and


    Far

    Quoted message said:
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    Eastern diets.

    You didn't really address anything, IMO.

    Sorry, sonny: you'll have to get someone else to explain all
    this to you. I don't do basic teaching for free.

    Ph.

  12. Philippic said:

    Sorry, sonny: you'll have to get someone else to explain
    all this to you. I don't do basic teaching for free.

    How long can I get you to continue replying to my posts?

    --
    Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach
    me directly.

  13. Hey Mark, how's the new apartment?

    Philippic said:

    "Mxsmanic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    The reason the Chinese avoid dairy products is that
    virtually 100% of them are lactose-intolerant by
    adulthood, like most adult human beings the world over.
    Some Europeans, notably northern Europeans, retain the
    ability to digest lactose throughout their lives, and in
    countries where lactose intolerance is rare in adulthood,
    dairy products abound.


    Quoted message said:

    stuff: the reason *why* they don't consume it could hardly
    be further from the point where an inverse correlation
    between dairy product consumption and breast cancer is
    concerned. Get an adult to explain this to you - on the
    way to collecting the John Gohde Prize...

    Quoted message said:


    Ph.

  14. "Mxsmanic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Philippic said:

    Sorry, sonny: you'll have to get someone else to explain
    all this to


    you. I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    don't do basic teaching for free.

    How long can I get you to continue replying to my posts?

    LOL!!!

    Ph.

  15. I know you are but what am I?

    LOL ...you been trolled by one of the best here Ph.

    "Philippic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:d_Fec.1742$kN2.1511@newsfe1-
    win...

    Quoted message said:

    "Mxsmanic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Philippic said:

    Sorry, sonny: you'll have to get someone else to
    explain all this to


    you. I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    don't do basic teaching for free.

    How long can I get you to continue replying to my posts?

    LOL!!!

    Ph.

  16. Mxsmanic <[email hidden]> schreef in
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    Correlation is not causation.


    That's what THEY want you to believe! Embrace the new
    paradigm of "non causa pro causa" "thinking"!

    But seriously, women with ER-positive tumors might want to
    learn more before switching to soya!

    ehp.niehs.nih.gov108p701
    708bouker/bouker-full.html

    Oh, and as far as the whole question of rich Chinese
    women...think about
    it. Who is delaying pregnancy and nursing: Peasant women or
    educated women? Is delayed pregnancy and nursing a risk
    factor for breast cancer? Hmmm...

    --
    "So the gamers and the scammers say it's the fault of the
    critics who tried to carve through the mumbo-jumbo in the
    first place." -- Josh Marshall

  17. Philippic said:

    LOL!!!

    Well?

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    me directly.

  18. In article said:


    "Mxsmanic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Philippic writes:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    stuff: the reason *why* they don't consume it could
    hardly be further


    from

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the point where an inverse correlation between dairy
    product consumption


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    breast cancer is concerned.

    Correlation is not causation.

    Quoted message said:

    Get an adult to explain this to you - on the way to
    collecting the John Gohde Prize...

    How old are you?

    Stick to the point, sonny. You're *full of [censored]*, and
    you're *busted*.

    I didn't even need to address your [censored] about
    'experienced oncology specialists' somehow knowing all
    about trans-cultural epidemiology and Far Eastern diets.

    Go home. You're an embarrassment.

    Ph.

    For the record, I think that mxsmanic was correct and that
    your verbal abuse in unwarranted.

    What we have here is a bunch of new age kooks who are
    selling books and have no idea about scientific inference,
    controlled trials, correlation not implying causation etc
    etc. Such kooks should not be believed until they present
    some controlled randomized trial level evidence.

    i

  19. "My Friend" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Hey Mark, how's the new apartment?

    It's not an 'apartment'! Where do you think this is --
    Houston...?!?

    Philippic.

  20. "Ignoramus20017" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    For the record, I think that mxsmanic was correct and that
    your verbal abuse in unwarranted.

    Well, for the record, you're wrong. Get over it.

    Quoted message said:

    What we have here is a bunch of new age kooks who are
    selling books and have no idea about scientific inference,
    controlled trials,

    So tell us: how many of the 'New Age kook' investigators at
    the centre of that news story are described as scientists?
    (i) Neither; (ii) One; (iii) Both; (iv) Er, I couldn't be
    arsed to read it properly all the way through.

    Take your time on this one.

    Quoted message said:

    correlation not implying causation etc etc.

    Gosh, really? You people really know your stuff! Yet
    amazingly enough, every example of *causation* ever observed
    has a *correlation* to go with it. Incredible, eh?

    Quoted message said:

    Such kooks should not be believed until they present some
    controlled randomized trial level evidence.

    And now you get a chance to explain (i) the reason why no-
    one is queuing up to spend money on such 'trial level
    evidence'; and (ii) why you feel so damn smug about there
    not being any such 'causation' as the article suggests. With
    breast cancers busting out all over in a dairy-stuffed
    population near you, it's not as if the existing preventive
    and explanatory model has a hell of a lot going for it.

    Phillipic.

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