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  1. Is it possible to use sweetened chocolate instead of
    unsweetened, if you decrease the sugar? Theoretically, if
    you use 2 oz. sweetened for every 1 oz. unsweetened and just
    subtracted about 15g of sugar from the recipe, it might
    work. Semisweet Baker's chocolate is 50% sugar, with 7g
    sugar in every 14 g (or 1 oz) square, so I'd assume that 2
    oz. semisweet has the same amount of unsweetened chocolate
    as 1 oz. unsweetened. Has anyone tried this? Does anyone
    think it would work?

  2. in article [email hidden], Steve D. at
    [email hidden] wrote on 4/24/04 7:48 PM:

    Quoted message said:

    Is it possible to use sweetened chocolate instead of
    unsweetened, if you decrease the sugar? Theoretically, if
    you use 2 oz. sweetened for every 1 oz. unsweetened and
    just subtracted about 15g of sugar from the recipe, it
    might work. Semisweet Baker's chocolate is 50% sugar, with
    7g sugar in every 14 g (or 1 oz) square, so I'd assume
    that 2 oz. semisweet has the same amount of unsweetened
    chocolate as 1 oz. unsweetened. Has anyone tried this?
    Does anyone think it would work?

    Those are a lot of assumptions and you're forgetting one
    thing: Baking is a science. Sugar is not just about
    sweetening in baking, there is a chemical reaction, and it
    also contributes to texture.

    I would either find a new recipe that calls for what you
    have, if you must use the semi-sweet chocolate. Or follow
    your recipe and buy some unsweetened.

  3. hmmm.... If your recipe calls for unsweetened you may be
    better off making it from cocoa... ie 3 tbsp cocoa with 1
    tbsp melted butter for each one ounce square.

    I had a recipe once that called for unsweetened chocolate
    for the topping of a nanaimo bar - didn't think that was
    right, after I bought the unsweetened chocolate squares. I
    melted the unsweetened chocolate and added sugar - it was
    terrible - (turned into a big blob) - so, its already ruined
    i thought, why not add some milk - started adding milk
    (while still on the warm stove) a little at a time until it
    was the texture that seemed right. They were the best
    nanaimo bars I've made.

    Baking may be a science but its not an exact science.

    take care Liz

    Hey! Look what Sheryl Rosen <[email hidden]> wrote :

    Quoted message said:

    in article
    [email hidden], Steve D.
    at [email hidden] wrote on 4/24/04 7:48 PM:

    Quoted message said:

    Is it possible to use sweetened chocolate instead of
    unsweetened, if you decrease the sugar? Theoretically, if
    you use 2 oz. sweetened for every 1 oz. unsweetened and
    just subtracted about 15g of sugar from the recipe, it
    might work. Semisweet Baker's chocolate is 50% sugar,
    with 7g sugar in every 14 g (or 1 oz) square, so I'd
    assume that 2 oz. semisweet has the same amount of
    unsweetened chocolate as 1 oz. unsweetened. Has anyone
    tried this? Does anyone think it would work?

    Those are a lot of assumptions and you're forgetting one
    thing: Baking is a science. Sugar is not just about
    sweetening in baking, there is a chemical reaction, and it
    also contributes to texture.

    I would either find a new recipe that calls for what you
    have, if you must use the semi-sweet chocolate. Or follow
    your recipe and buy some unsweetened.

  4. at Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:48:31 GMT in <3d253be0.0404241548.521ed2c6
    @posting.google.com>, [email hidden] (Steve D.) wrote :

    Quoted message said:

    Is it possible to use sweetened chocolate instead of
    unsweetened, if you decrease the sugar? Theoretically, if
    you use 2 oz. sweetened for every 1 oz. unsweetened and
    just subtracted about 15g of sugar from the recipe, it
    might work. Semisweet Baker's chocolate is 50% sugar, with
    7g sugar in every 14 g (or 1 oz) square, so I'd assume that
    2 oz. semisweet has the same amount of unsweetened
    chocolate as 1 oz. unsweetened. Has anyone tried this? Does
    anyone think it would work?

    You can substitute, but it's not as straightforward as you
    might think. You have to account for several factors.

    First, as you calculated, you need to figure out the
    percentage of sugar in the chocolate. Virtually all dark
    chocolates these days list the cocoa percentage, and it's
    fairly safe to assume that the rest is virtually all sugar.
    It's going to be most successful if you can get the lowest-
    sugar chocolate you can find: these days, a 70% cocoa solids
    chocolate is easy to get hold of, and 85% chocolates are
    also becoming relatively common.

    Then you need to determine the cocoa butter content of your
    substitute. This is critical because it's going to determine
    how you need to adjust both the chocolate and other fats
    like butter. This figure is less often publicised. However,
    as a general rule, chocolate chips contain the least cocoa
    butter, the "baking chocolate" sold in boxes in which there
    are individually wrapped squares a little more, and bar
    chocolate, along with "couverture"(really just a fancy name
    for bar chocolate sold in larger blocs) the most. Meanwhile,
    pure unsweetened chocolate contains, generally, around 50%
    cocoa butter. That's more even than couverture, which
    usually has about 40% cocoa butter. In practical terms, this
    means it will be easiest to adapt your recipe if you use bar
    chocolate or couverture.

    Having determined the cocoa butter content, you now need to
    subtract that percentage *and* the percentage of sugar from
    100%. This is the total percentage of defatted cocoa
    solids. Unsweetened chocolate, meanwhile, has about 50%
    defatted cocoa solids under the 50% cocoa butter average
    above. Then you determine the ratio of defatted cocoa
    solids between the 2 chocolates. For instance, if you were
    using a 70% couverture with 40% cocoa butter, then you
    would have 30% defatted cocoa solids and your ratio would
    be 5/3. This number is what you need to multiply the amount
    of chocolate in the original recipe by in order to get the
    adjusted amount.

    Now that you have the adjusted amount, you need to multiply
    that figure by the sugar percentage in your substitute, and
    subtract that amount from the recipe you were using. Next,
    you need to take the cocoa butter percentage and multiply
    that by the adjusted chocolate amount. Do so likewise for
    the unsweetened (assuming 50% cocoa butter you can simply
    divide the amount of chocolate by 2) and then add this
    figure to the amounts of all the other fats (butter, oil,
    etc.) in the original recipe. From the figure you obtain,
    subtract off the amount of cocoa butter you calculated for
    the substituted chocolate. This gives you the amount of
    other fats you need to have in your modified recipe. If the
    number is bigger than that the recipe originally called for,
    add enough butter to make up the difference. If it's
    smaller, take away as much fat as will make up the
    difference. When removing fat, it's best to start with the
    solid fats first, then proceed to liquid fats if no solid
    fats remain.

    So, if the original called for 8 oz. chocolate, 8 oz. sugar,
    and 8 tbsp (4 oz) butter and you made the substitution as
    above, then the new recipe would have 13 1/3 oz chocolate
    (5/3*8), 4 oz. sugar (0.3*13 1/3), and 4 tbsp, 2 tsp (2 2/3
    oz) (0.5*8 + 4 - 0.4*13 1/3)butter. In practice you wouldn't
    need to be nearly so exact, and 13 oz chocolate, 4 oz.
    sugar, and 5 tbsp butter would be the way to go.

    You shouldn't expect the results to be *exactly* the same.
    This will depend a lot on the type of sugar and whether the
    other fats went up or down. If the sugar was a brown sugar
    of some sort, your results will be somewhat more tender, and
    a bit drier. Meanwhile, if the fat went up, then you will
    generally get something with a richer, softer mouthfeel,
    while if it went down it will be drier and crumblier. If the
    fat was butter, expect a crisper result if the amount went
    up, a softer result if it went down. However, the
    differences will be slight in most cases.

    Before you even start, do yourself a big favour and ditch
    the Baker's chocolate. Baker's chocolate is inexcusably
    poor, quite simply the worst chocolate on the market. I've
    talked to several people who, having tried Baker's chocolate
    straight from the packet in their youth, and found it to be
    yucky, concluded that chocolate for baking wasn't good for
    eating. In fact, the reverse is true - if a chocolate isn't
    good for eating, it isn't any good for baking either. The
    problem with Baker's chocolate isn't that it's for baking:
    it's just *bad* chocolate. Meanwhile, it's easy to get good
    chocolate virtually anywhere. The easiest in the USA is
    Ghirardelli, virtually ubiquitous. There are plenty of
    others as well.
    --
    Alex Rast [email hidden] (remove d., .7,
    not, and .NOSPAM to reply)

  5. in article [email hidden], Alex Rast at
    [email hidden] wrote on 4/25/04 4:38 AM:

    Quoted message said:

    at Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:48:31 GMT in
    <3d253be0.0404241548.521ed2c6 @posting.google.com>,
    [email hidden] (Steve D.) wrote :

    Quoted message said:

    Is it possible to use sweetened chocolate instead of
    unsweetened, if you decrease the sugar? Theoretically, if
    you use 2 oz. sweetened for every 1 oz. unsweetened and
    just subtracted about 15g of sugar from the recipe, it
    might work. Semisweet Baker's chocolate is 50% sugar,
    with 7g sugar in every 14 g (or 1 oz) square, so I'd
    assume that 2 oz. semisweet has the same amount of
    unsweetened chocolate as 1 oz. unsweetened. Has anyone
    tried this? Does anyone think it would work?

    You can substitute, but it's not as straightforward as you
    might think. You have to account for several factors.

    First, as you calculated, you need to figure out the
    percentage of sugar in the chocolate. Virtually all dark
    chocolates these days list the cocoa percentage, and it's
    fairly safe to assume that the rest is virtually all
    sugar. It's going to be most successful if you can get the
    lowest-sugar chocolate you can find: these days, a 70%
    cocoa solids chocolate is easy to get hold of, and 85%
    chocolates are also becoming relatively common.

    Then you need to determine the cocoa butter content of
    your substitute. This is critical because it's going to
    determine how you need to adjust both the chocolate and
    other fats like butter. This figure is less often
    publicised. However, as a general rule, chocolate chips
    contain the least cocoa butter, the "baking chocolate"
    sold in boxes in which there are individually wrapped
    squares a little more, and bar chocolate, along with
    "couverture"(really just a fancy name for bar chocolate
    sold in larger blocs) the most. Meanwhile, pure
    unsweetened chocolate contains, generally, around 50%
    cocoa butter. That's more even than couverture, which
    usually has about 40% cocoa butter. In practical terms,
    this means it will be easiest to adapt your recipe if you
    use bar chocolate or couverture.

    Having determined the cocoa butter content, you now need
    to subtract that percentage *and* the percentage of sugar
    from 100%. This is the total percentage of defatted cocoa
    solids. Unsweetened chocolate, meanwhile, has about 50%
    defatted cocoa solids under the 50% cocoa butter average
    above. Then you determine the ratio of defatted cocoa
    solids between the 2 chocolates. For instance, if you were
    using a 70% couverture with 40% cocoa butter, then you
    would have 30% defatted cocoa solids and your ratio would
    be 5/3. This number is what you need to multiply the
    amount of chocolate in the original recipe by in order to
    get the adjusted amount.

    Now that you have the adjusted amount, you need to
    multiply that figure by the sugar percentage in your
    substitute, and subtract that amount from the recipe you
    were using. Next, you need to take the cocoa butter
    percentage and multiply that by the adjusted chocolate
    amount. Do so likewise for the unsweetened (assuming 50%
    cocoa butter you can simply divide the amount of chocolate
    by 2) and then add this figure to the amounts of all the
    other fats (butter, oil, etc.) in the original recipe.
    From the figure you obtain, subtract off the amount of
    cocoa butter you calculated for the substituted chocolate.
    This gives you the amount of other fats you need to have
    in your modified recipe. If the number is bigger than that
    the recipe originally called for, add enough butter to
    make up the difference. If it's smaller, take away as much
    fat as will make up the difference. When removing fat,
    it's best to start with the solid fats first, then proceed
    to liquid fats if no solid fats remain.

    So, if the original called for 8 oz. chocolate, 8 oz.
    sugar, and 8 tbsp (4 oz) butter and you made the
    substitution as above, then the new recipe would have 13
    1/3 oz chocolate (5/3*8), 4 oz. sugar (0.3*13 1/3), and 4
    tbsp, 2 tsp (2 2/3 oz) (0.5*8 + 4 - 0.4*13 1/3)butter. In
    practice you wouldn't need to be nearly so exact, and 13
    oz chocolate, 4 oz. sugar, and 5 tbsp butter would be the
    way to go.

    You shouldn't expect the results to be *exactly* the
    same. This will depend a lot on the type of sugar and
    whether the other fats went up or down. If the sugar was
    a brown sugar of some sort, your results will be
    somewhat more tender, and a bit drier. Meanwhile, if the
    fat went up, then you will generally get something with
    a richer, softer mouthfeel, while if it went down it
    will be drier and crumblier. If the fat was butter,
    expect a crisper result if the amount went up, a softer
    result if it went down. However, the differences will be
    slight in most cases.

    Before you even start, do yourself a big favour and ditch
    the Baker's chocolate. Baker's chocolate is inexcusably
    poor, quite simply the worst chocolate on the market. I've
    talked to several people who, having tried Baker's
    chocolate straight from the packet in their youth, and
    found it to be yucky, concluded that chocolate for baking
    wasn't good for eating. In fact, the reverse is true - if
    a chocolate isn't good for eating, it isn't any good for
    baking either. The problem with Baker's chocolate isn't
    that it's for baking: it's just *bad* chocolate.
    Meanwhile, it's easy to get good chocolate virtually
    anywhere. The easiest in the USA is Ghirardelli, virtually
    ubiquitous. There are plenty of others as well.

    Wouldn't it just be easier for this guy to use what
    the recipe calls for, or find a recipe for what he
    wants to use???

  6. Sheryl Rosen said:

    in article [email hidden], Alex
    Rast at [email hidden] wrote on 4/25/04
    4:38 AM:

    Quoted message said:

    at Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:48:31 GMT in
    <3d253be0.0404241548.521ed2c6 @posting.google.com>,
    [email hidden] (Steve D.) wrote :

    Quoted message said:

    Is it possible to use sweetened chocolate instead of
    unsweetened, if you decrease the sugar? Theoretically,
    if you use 2 oz. sweetened for every 1 oz. unsweetened
    and just subtracted about 15g of sugar


    (snip)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Having determined the cocoa butter content, you now need
    to subtract that percentage *and* the percentage of sugar
    from 100%


    (snip)

    Quoted message said:


    Wouldn't it just be easier for this guy to use what
    the recipe calls for, or find a recipe for what he
    wants to use???

    I agree wholeheartedly! It's chocolate; find a recipe that
    works with what you have/can buy and go on.

    Jill

  7. [email hidden] (Alex Rast) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    at Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:48:31 GMT in
    <3d253be0.0404241548.521ed2c6 @posting.google.com>,
    [email hidden] (Steve D.) wrote :

    Quoted message said:

    Is it possible to use sweetened chocolate instead of
    unsweetened, if you decrease the sugar? Theoretically, if
    you use 2 oz. sweetened for every 1 oz. unsweetened and
    just subtracted about 15g of sugar from the recipe, it
    might work. Semisweet Baker's chocolate is 50% sugar,
    with 7g sugar in every 14 g (or 1 oz) square, so I'd
    assume that 2 oz. semisweet has the same amount of
    unsweetened chocolate as 1 oz. unsweetened. Has anyone
    tried this? Does anyone think it would work?

    You can substitute, but it's not as straightforward as you
    might think. You have to account for several factors.

    First, as you calculated, you need to figure out the
    percentage of sugar in the chocolate. Virtually all dark
    chocolates these days list the cocoa percentage, and it's
    fairly safe to assume that the rest is virtually all
    sugar. It's going to be most successful if you can get the
    lowest-sugar chocolate you can find: these days, a 70%
    cocoa solids chocolate is easy to get hold of, and 85%
    chocolates are also becoming relatively common.

    Then you need to determine the cocoa butter content of
    your substitute. This is critical because it's going to
    determine how you need to adjust both the chocolate and
    other fats like butter. This figure is less often
    publicised. However, as a general rule, chocolate chips
    contain the least cocoa butter, the "baking chocolate"
    sold in boxes in which there are individually wrapped
    squares a little more, and bar chocolate, along with
    "couverture"(really just a fancy name for bar chocolate
    sold in larger blocs) the most. Meanwhile, pure
    unsweetened chocolate contains, generally, around 50%
    cocoa butter. That's more even than couverture, which
    usually has about 40% cocoa butter. In practical terms,
    this means it will be easiest to adapt your recipe if you
    use bar chocolate or couverture.

    Having determined the cocoa butter content, you now need
    to subtract that percentage *and* the percentage of sugar
    from 100%. This is the total percentage of defatted cocoa
    solids. Unsweetened chocolate, meanwhile, has about 50%
    defatted cocoa solids under the 50% cocoa butter average
    above. Then you determine the ratio of defatted cocoa
    solids between the 2 chocolates. For instance, if you were
    using a 70% couverture with 40% cocoa butter, then you
    would have 30% defatted cocoa solids and your ratio would
    be 5/3. This number is what you need to multiply the
    amount of chocolate in the original recipe by in order to
    get the adjusted amount.

    Now that you have the adjusted amount, you need to
    multiply that figure by the sugar percentage in your
    substitute, and subtract that amount from the recipe you
    were using. Next, you need to take the cocoa butter
    percentage and multiply that by the adjusted chocolate
    amount. Do so likewise for the unsweetened (assuming 50%
    cocoa butter you can simply divide the amount of chocolate
    by 2) and then add this figure to the amounts of all the
    other fats (butter, oil, etc.) in the original recipe.
    From the figure you obtain, subtract off the amount of
    cocoa butter you calculated for the substituted chocolate.
    This gives you the amount of other fats you need to have
    in your modified recipe. If the number is bigger than that
    the recipe originally called for, add enough butter to
    make up the difference. If it's smaller, take away as much
    fat as will make up the difference. When removing fat,
    it's best to start with the solid fats first, then proceed
    to liquid fats if no solid fats remain.

    So, if the original called for 8 oz. chocolate, 8 oz.
    sugar, and 8 tbsp (4 oz) butter and you made the
    substitution as above, then the new recipe would have 13
    1/3 oz chocolate (5/3*8), 4 oz. sugar (0.3*13 1/3), and 4
    tbsp, 2 tsp (2 2/3 oz) (0.5*8 + 4 - 0.4*13 1/3)butter. In
    practice you wouldn't need to be nearly so exact, and 13
    oz chocolate, 4 oz. sugar, and 5 tbsp butter would be the
    way to go.

    You shouldn't expect the results to be *exactly* the
    same. This will depend a lot on the type of sugar and
    whether the other fats went up or down. If the sugar was
    a brown sugar of some sort, your results will be
    somewhat more tender, and a bit drier. Meanwhile, if the
    fat went up, then you will generally get something with
    a richer, softer mouthfeel, while if it went down it
    will be drier and crumblier. If the fat was butter,
    expect a crisper result if the amount went up, a softer
    result if it went down. However, the differences will be
    slight in most cases.

    Before you even start, do yourself a big favour and ditch
    the Baker's chocolate. Baker's chocolate is inexcusably
    poor, quite simply the worst chocolate on the market. I've
    talked to several people who, having tried Baker's
    chocolate straight from the packet in their youth, and
    found it to be yucky, concluded that chocolate for baking
    wasn't good for eating. In fact, the reverse is true - if
    a chocolate isn't good for eating, it isn't any good for
    baking either. The problem with Baker's chocolate isn't
    that it's for baking: it's just *bad* chocolate.
    Meanwhile, it's easy to get good chocolate virtually
    anywhere. The easiest in the USA is Ghirardelli, virtually
    ubiquitous. There are plenty of others as well.

    WOW!! Haha I was just thinking about replacing a few
    squares but you're right, it's a science. I'll just go pick
    up some unsweetened chocolate, thank you very much ;-)
    Also, where can I buy Ghirardelli in boxes? I only see the
    bags of chips/chunks. I've always thought Baker's chocolate
    was the only way to go (but I agree, it's not as good as
    I'd like it to be).

    Thanks a bunch, Steve

  8. +In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    WOW!! Haha I was just thinking about replacing a few
    squares but you're right, it's a science. I'll just go
    pick up some unsweetened chocolate, thank you very much
    ;-) Also, where can I buy Ghirardelli in boxes? I only see
    the bags of chips/chunks. I've always thought Baker's
    chocolate was the only way to go (but I agree, it's not as
    good as I'd like it to be).


    Don't know where you are, but the Cost Plus near me carries
    the Ghiradelli Baker's Bars. Of course, the fact that it's
    two blocks from Ghiradelli Square might have something to do
    with that, but it's worth a try, if you have a CP locally.
    --
    Donna A pessimist believes all women are bad. An optimist
    hopes they are.

  9. jmcquown said:
    Sheryl Rosen said:

    in article [email hidden], Alex
    Rast at [email hidden] wrote on 4/25/04
    4:38 AM:

    Quoted message said:

    at Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:48:31 GMT in
    <3d253be0.0404241548.521ed2c6 @posting.google.com>,
    [email hidden] (Steve D.) wrote :

    >Is it possible to use sweetened chocolate instead of
    >unsweetened, if you decrease the sugar? Theoretically,
    >if you use 2 oz. sweetened for every 1 oz. unsweetened
    >and just subtracted about 15g of sugar

    (snip)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Having determined the cocoa butter content, you now need
    to subtract that percentage *and* the percentage of sugar
    from 100%

    (snip)

    Quoted message said:

    Wouldn't it just be easier for this guy to use what
    the recipe calls for, or find a recipe for what he
    wants to use???

    I agree wholeheartedly! It's chocolate; find a recipe that
    works with what you have/can buy and go on.

    Jill

    The problem is if the recipe calls for bakers chocolate
    and you want to use good chocolate -- which usually has
    some sugar in it. I have a large block of fancy
    bittersweet chocolate, and I don't know how to use it
    except for nibbling.

    All my recipes call for unsweetened baking chocolate (which
    sucks) or semisweet chocolate chips (which also suck). The
    recipes turn out good using the sucky chocolate, but they
    could be much better using good chocolate. I think the
    original poster was in the same predicament.

    Best regards, Bob

  10. at Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:59:05 GMT in
    <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] (Steve D.) wrote :

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Alex Rast) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    at Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:48:31 GMT in
    <3d253be0.0404241548.521ed2c6 @posting.google.com>,
    [email hidden] (Steve D.) wrote :

    Quoted message said:

    Is it possible to use sweetened chocolate instead of
    unsweetened, if you decrease the sugar? ...

    You can substitute, but it's not as straightforward as
    you might think. You have to account for several factors.

    WOW!! Haha I was just thinking about replacing a few
    squares but you're right, it's a science. I'll just go pick
    up some unsweetened chocolate, thank you very much ;-)

    Actually, there's not much effort involved. I explained the
    process very step-by-step, resulting in a long description,
    but if you've got basic math skills, calculating the
    substitutions shouldn't take more than 15 minutes, worst-
    case. It looks overwhelming when it's described like that,
    but it's really pretty elementary.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, where can I buy Ghirardelli in boxes? I only see
    the bags of chips/chunks.

    Ghirardelli isn't sold in boxes. It's sold in bars,
    generally 4 oz in size, suitable for straight eating as well
    as for baking (this should be a clue. Any chocolate sold in
    a box, so that there's no convenient way to eat it straight,
    is pretty worthless. If they're trying to discourage you
    from eating it straight, there's usually a good reason...)
    The bars are wide and flat. In their current form, they have
    wrappers with a broad gold band in the middle, and the sides
    are colour-coded for the type : black sides = unsweetened,
    dark brown = bittersweet, dark gold = semi-sweet, red =
    sweet dark, blue = milk. Supermarkets aren't consistent
    about where they put it - some put it on the candy aisle,
    some in the baking aisle, some next to the checkout stand.

    Quoted message said:

    I've always thought Baker's chocolate was the only way to
    go (but I agree, it's not as good as I'd like it to be).

    I'm curious. A lot of people seem to imagine this. Why do
    people think that they have to use Baker's brand? It's not
    as if the baked goods are going to explode. Chocolate is,
    after all, chocolate. The differences are in quality, not in
    what it does in baked goods. (at least, in the main)

    Other people have commented that most quality chocolate is
    sweetened at least to some extent. Undoubtedly, there are
    more quality semi-sweet and bittersweet chocolates than
    there are unsweetened, but a few companies do make
    unsweetened chocolate that is the equal of the very finest
    bittersweet. Of unsweetened chocolates worth buying at all,
    you find 3 segments: the "premium" - cheap but still
    excellent, the "high-end" - somewhat more expensive, but
    still affordable, sometimes with more distinctive flavour
    signatures, and the "elite" - very expensive, but if you
    want the absolute best, this is where to go.

    The "premium" brands include Ghirardelli, Guittard, and
    Callebaut. "High-end" brands include Scharffen Berger,
    Valrhona and Dagoba. "Elite" brands include Slitti, Domori,
    and Michel Cluizel.

    I find Ghirardelli and Callebaut to be about the same, and
    better than Guittard. None of the high-end brands
    immediately above them seem to offer significant
    improvement, so for general baking these 2 brands work fine.
    If you are ready to splurge, the Domori and Cluizel
    chocolates are *much* better than the others - worth every
    penny you spend, at least for special occasions. I have to
    give the nod to Cluizel - Noir Infini is IMHO perhaps the
    ultimate baking chocolate.

    Most of these can be ordered from Chocosphere
    (chocosphere.comchocosphere.com) if you have difficulty finding
    them locally.

    --
    Alex Rast [email hidden] (remove d., .7,
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  11. On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:56:31 -0500, zxcvbob <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    The problem is if the recipe calls for bakers chocolate and
    you want to use good chocolate -- which usually has some
    sugar in it. I have a large block of fancy bittersweet
    chocolate, and I don't know how to use it except for
    nibbling.

    Go to epicurious.com. Enter "bittersweet" into the recipe
    search. 543 hits from Gourmet and Bon App. Bittersweet
    chocolate is similar in composition to semi-sweet (just
    with less sugar), and can be used in many recipes calling
    for semi-sweet. Knock yourself out! And put down that bare
    chocolate. :-)

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