Pilates.

Tetsuo Shima said:

Anyone tried it?

I'd never heard of it until you asked, so I did a search and
almost laughed my head off ewhen I saw all those fitness
maniacs upside down and inside out in all sorts of different
machines. It's proabably a lot of fun but I doubt it will do
anything for your cycling except steal time away from you
that could be spent on a bike instead. I go to the gym twice
a week in winter and once a week in summer so it's not that
I'm against resistance training. I just thought this whole
Pilates deal was hilarious. You know like those late night
shows where you can buy all sorts of miracoulous fitness
equipment. The equipment does the workout and you just sit
there looking pretty or whatever 😉)) I may have
misinterpreted what I saw at a quick glance but this was my
first impression and they usually last 😉

If you want a stronger back and abdomen go to the Gym and do
belly-backs and crunches.

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Tetsuo Shima said:

Anyone tried it?

I'd never heard of it until you asked, so I did a search
and almost

laughed

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my head off ewhen I saw all those fitness maniacs upside
down and inside

out

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in all sorts of different machines. It's proabably a lot
of fun but I

doubt

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it will do anything for your cycling except steal time
away from you that could be spent on a bike instead. I go
to the gym twice a week in winter and once a week in
summer so it's

not

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that I'm against resistance training. I just thought this
whole Pilates

deal

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was hilarious. You know like those late night shows where
you can buy all sorts of miracoulous fitness equipment.
The equipment does the workout and you just sit there
looking pretty or whatever 😉)) I may have misinterpreted
what I saw at a quick glance but this was my

first

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impression and they usually last 😉

If you want a stronger back and abdomen go to the Gym and
do belly-backs

and

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crunches.

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My poor back is wasted, I doubt if it'd last.

Tetsuo Shima said:

My poor back is wasted, I doubt if it'd last.

Sounds like enough of a reason to start crunching away.
There are no shortcuts. If you can't do a short set of
bellybacks then you have a medical problem and maybe
shouldn't even be on a bike.

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Tetsuo Shima said:

My poor back is wasted, I doubt if it'd last.

Sounds like enough of a reason to start crunching away.
There are no shortcuts. If you can't do a short set of
bellybacks then you have a

medical

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problem and maybe shouldn't even be on a bike.

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Doctor seems to think that I have arthritis, (I've not taken
the blood test yet, not really keen on it.) Thing is, if I
do have it, it's taken over my major joints. There is no way
I'm going to stop getting out on my bike because of it.

Tetsuo Shima said:

Doctor seems to think that I have arthritis, (I've not
taken the blood test yet, not really keen on it.) Thing
is, if I do have it, it's taken over my major joints.
There is no way I'm going to stop getting out on my bike
because of it.

That's a bummer. Hope your bike won't turn into a trike.
Maybe Pilates is a good way to go then.

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Tetsuo Shima said:

Doctor seems to think that I have arthritis, (I've not
taken the blood test yet, not really keen on it.) Thing
is, if I do have it, it's taken over my major joints.
There is no way I'm going to stop getting out on my bike
because of it.

That's a bummer. Hope your bike won't turn into a trike.
Maybe Pilates is a good way to go then.

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F**K that! I'll be a cripple before I get on a trike. Would
love a recumbent bike though.

Per Elmsäter said:

Tetsuo Shima said:

Anyone tried it?

I'd never heard of it until you asked, so I did a search
and almost laughed my head off ewhen I saw all those
fitness maniacs upside down and inside out in all sorts of
different machines. It's proabably a lot of fun but I
doubt it will do anything for your cycling except steal
time away from you that could be spent on a bike instead.
I go to the gym twice a week in winter and once a week in
summer so it's not that I'm against resistance training. I
just thought this whole Pilates deal was hilarious. You
know like those late night shows where you can buy all
sorts of miracoulous fitness equipment. The equipment does
the workout and you just sit there looking pretty or
whatever 😉)) I may have misinterpreted what I saw at a
quick glance but this was my first impression and they
usually last 😉

If you want a stronger back and abdomen go to the Gym and
do belly-backs and crunches.

a lot of Pilates is now done as floor work on a mat. Me,
I'm a fan of a fitness ball ( swiss ball) for "core" work.
Careful with the crunches tho - there are so many ways to
cheat and not work your ab but other muscles instead. This
is where the ball is so great, there's no cheating.

spine-spine-Open ↗
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Tetsuo asks:

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Anyone tried it?

Yup! Two years or so. Does wonders for the midriff (or
"gorsle of power" as our instructor called it), and the
"yummy mummies" (blame ClydesdaleMTB for the term, not
me!) who frequent the classes are a good incentive to
keep going.

Steve "ain't wearing no girdle"

I get a kick out of the Hollywood stars who seem to think
they discovered Pilates.

"Joseph Pilates introduced his method of exercise to the
public in the 1930's. He originally developed it to help
strengthen and rehabilitate immobilized soldiers during
World War 1. His main goal was to develop the body uniformly
through a series of precise movements that control the body
through space and stabilize it while it is working."

Good things last.

Penny S said:

a lot of Pilates is now done as floor work on a mat. Me,
I'm a fan of a fitness ball ( swiss ball) for "core"
work. Careful with the crunches tho - there are so many
ways to cheat and not work your ab but other muscles
instead. This is where the ball is so great, there's no
cheating.

spine-spine-Open ↗
health.com/topics/conserv/rehab/ball/ball04.html

Fitness balls are killer! I got a couple balls (shut up
Sorni) to put in our work gym... can only do a fraction of
the crunches you could otherwise do on the floor.
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>Tetsuo Shima wrote:
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>It doesn't bother me, I DEMAND a stupid reply once in
>while. 🙂

Seriously?

Shaun aRe

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>Is that a stupid or serious reply?

Yes.
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Penny S said:

a lot of Pilates is now done as floor work on a mat. Me,
I'm a fan of a fitness ball ( swiss ball) for "core"
work. Careful with the crunches tho - there are so many
ways to cheat and not work your ab but other muscles
instead. This is where the ball is so great, there's no
cheating.

spine-spine-Open ↗
health.com/topics/conserv/rehab/ball/ball04.html

Fitness balls are killer! I got a couple balls (shut up
Sorni) to put in our work gym... can only do a fraction of
the crunches you could otherwise do on the floor.

that's because a ball forces you to do them correctly. Most
people use their hip flexors way to much on floor crunches.
I like the ball pushups, and the one where you do leg lifts
while (trying to) hold the ball with your feet.

shut up, sorni.

Penny

Penny S said:

Slacker wrote:

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Fitness balls are killer! I got a couple balls (shut up
Sorni) to put in our work gym... can only do a fraction
of the crunches you could otherwise do on the floor.

that's because a ball forces you to do them correctly.
Most people use their hip flexors way to much on floor
crunches. I like the ball pushups, and the one where
you do leg lifts while (trying to) hold the ball with
your feet.

shut up, sorni.

Et tu, Pennus?

Bill "no apparati in my Pilates classes (none for a
year tho'😉" S.

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> >>>>Anyone tried it?
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> >>>Yep, but could never get the parrot to stay on my
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It doesn't bother me, I DEMAND a stupid reply once in
while. 🙂

Seriously?

Shaun aRe

Is that a stupid or serious reply?

Indeed ',;~}~

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>>Tetsuo Shima wrote:
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>>It doesn't bother me, I DEMAND a stupid reply once in
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Seriously?

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>>Is that a stupid or serious reply?

Yes.

I most heartily concur.

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Shaun aRe

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>>> Tetsuo Shima wrote:
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>>> It doesn't bother me, I DEMAND a stupid reply once in
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> Seriously?
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> Shaun aRe
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>>> Is that a stupid or serious reply?

Yes.

I most heartily concur.

Knock off that seriuous attitude will 'ya

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>>>> Tetsuo Shima wrote:
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>>>> It doesn't bother me, I DEMAND a stupid reply once
>>>> in while. 🙂
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>> Seriously?
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>> Shaun aRe
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>>>> Is that a stupid or serious reply?
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Yes.

I most heartily concur.

Knock off that seriuous attitude will 'ya

Fork queue.

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>>> Seriously?
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>>> Shaun aRe
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>>>>> Is that a stupid or serious reply?
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> Yes.

I most heartily concur.

Knock off that seriuous attitude will 'ya

Fork queue.

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Tetsuo Shima said:

Anyone tried it?

I'd never heard of it until you asked, so I did a search
and almost

laughed

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my head off ewhen I saw all those fitness maniacs upside
down and inside

out

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in all sorts of different machines. It's proabably a lot
of fun but I

doubt

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it will do anything for your cycling except steal time
away from you that could be spent on a bike instead. I go
to the gym twice a week in winter and once a week in
summer so it's

not

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that I'm against resistance training. I just thought this
whole Pilates

deal

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was hilarious. You know like those late night shows where
you can buy all sorts of miracoulous fitness equipment.
The equipment does the workout and you just sit there
looking pretty or whatever 😉)) I may have misinterpreted
what I saw at a quick glance but this was my

first

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impression and they usually last 😉

If you want a stronger back and abdomen go to the Gym and
do belly-backs

and

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crunches.

From what I understand a lot of the Pilates stuff -
particularly the novice stuff - can be done sans machines.
And it's supposed to be a great core strengthener. I'm
guessing if you joined a Pilates class that they would have
all the fancy equipment for you and you wouldn't need to
buy anything.

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From what I understand a lot of the Pilates stuff -
particularly the

novice

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stuff - can be done sans machines. And it's supposed to be
a great core strengthener. I'm guessing if you joined a
Pilates class that they would have all the fancy equipment
for you and you wouldn't need to buy

anything.

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The class I do is about 95% floor exercises on a mat, and
the other 5% is using some springs on vertical piping that
you are used for a few types of resistance exercises. I can
free squat over 600 pounds, and bench 325, in other words,
I'm not doing Pilates in some pitiful attempt to get strong
via some nonsense equipment from TV that does the workout
for you. Pilates concentrates the work you do in places most
people working out at the gym have not concentrated on--
though the ones doing allot of work on those big inflatable
balls get many similar benefits.

Its pretty easy to do a situp without engaging your core
muscles properly--you can still get strong abs, but you can
get them without helping the postural components of a
healthy back. And I have found that concentrating on the
core abdominal "stabilizer muscles" which you use in
Pilates, while riding my bike, keeps better power transfer
to the pedals, without wasting oxygen on the upper body
muscles which don't have to be--should not really be,
heavily engaged in this ( doing the Pilates workouts allows
me to figure out what muscles in the core area "should" be
contacting and stabilizing the work coming from pedaling). I
end up riding faster with less effort, I don't get numb
hands the way I used to from gripping to tight, and my back
always feels awesome after a ride, instead of trashed. I
can't say this will be true for everyone---it makes sense to
me that it would, but I have no facts other than personal
experience with this to offer.

Dan V