BB and pedal thread direction - WHY?

David Damerell said:

Quoted message said:

From my discussions with manufacturers I get the
impression it is partly NIH (not invented here) and
partly like the disc brake problem. No one wants to be
the first to admit there is a problem.

Quoted message said:

You could try suggesting it to Highpath Engineering, who
already make fresh holes in cranks in order to shorten
them. They might also be up to making aftermarket pedal
spindles for common pedal types...

Quoted message said:

David Damerell <[email hidden]>
Distortion Field!

So how come mail to your address resutls in:

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors
----- <[email hidden]> (reason: 550
Blacklisted site `[64.142.19.5]' [Irritated])

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

On Wed, 05 May 2004 19:15:56 GMT, [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

David Damerell said:

Quoted message said:

From my discussions with manufacturers I get the
impression it is partly NIH (not invented here) and
partly like the disc brake problem. No one wants to be
the first to admit there is a problem.

Quoted message said:

You could try suggesting it to Highpath Engineering, who
already make fresh holes in cranks in order to shorten
them. They might also be up to making aftermarket pedal
spindles for common pedal types...

Quoted message said:

David Damerell <[email hidden]>
Distortion Field!

So how come mail to your address resutls in:

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors
----- <[email hidden]> (reason: 550
Blacklisted site `[64.142.19.5]' [Irritated])

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

Dear Jobst,

Here's a site where you can enter the ISP portion of a
mail address and see if it's on a domain name server black
list (dnsbl):

openrbl.orgopenrbl.orgOpen ↗

You'll get thrilling details like this for entering
"chiark.greenend.org.uk" in ithe DNSBL option:

Lookup 193.201.200.170 (chiark.greenend.org.uk) in 21+11
Zones AS: 193.201.200.0/23 AS25108 ? RADB/RIPE ?? Net 193/8
EU-ZZ-193 ? Amsterdam, North Holland Results: Positive=1,
Negative=31 (2004-05-05 19:39:06 UTC)
BLARS/block.blars.org: INET 127.1.0.17 Negative 31:
@COUNTRY @DYNAMIC @ISP @SPAM AHBL AUDNSBL BOGONS BONDED
BOPM CBL DRBL DSBL FIVETEN INTERSIL JIPPGMA LNSG NJABL
NOMORE ORDB PSBL PSS RFC_IPWH SBL SORBS SPAMBAG SPAMCOP
SPAMRBL SPAMSITE SPEWS UCEPROT WPBL

------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------
Hints for 193.201.200.170: (external, use BACK or ALT-LEFT
when done) Track "chiark.greenend.org.uk" at [Whois &
Abuse|SpamCop*] Search "193.201.200.170" at
[Google|SpamCop*|SenderBase] [MAPS|Schlund] CHECK: Nominate
Relay-Test at: [ORDB] [Add Comment]

David's ISP seems to be blacklisted. You can pursue the
details on the BLARS page:
blars.orgblock.htmlOpen ↗

Sometimes this sort of thing reflects mail-blocking
tricks employed by the ISP itself so that its users
receive less spam.

Carl Fogel

On Wed, 05 May 2004 19:15:56 GMT, [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

David Damerell said:

Quoted message said:

From my discussions with manufacturers I get the
impression it is partly NIH (not invented here) and
partly like the disc brake problem. No one wants to be
the first to admit there is a problem.

Quoted message said:

You could try suggesting it to Highpath Engineering, who
already make fresh holes in cranks in order to shorten
them. They might also be up to making aftermarket pedal
spindles for common pedal types...

Quoted message said:

David Damerell <[email hidden]>
Distortion Field!

So how come mail to your address resutls in:

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors
----- <[email hidden]> (reason: 550
Blacklisted site `[64.142.19.5]' [Irritated])

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

Dear Jobst,

Sorry, but it looks as if I posted an unfinished reply to
your question about the blacklist message that you received.

The improved version went on to explain that the blacklist
550 message is a reply that originates with the system that
was supposed to receive the email, but has rejected it
because whoever sent the original is blacklisted as far as
the receiver is concerned--which is amusing when the
receiver itself is blacklisted elsewhere.

David's system has blacklisted
[email hidden], but appears itself on more
public blacklists. The eventual result is everyone bouncing
their complaints and apologies off each other's anti-spam
blacklists.

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

David's system has blacklisted
[email hidden], but appears itself on
more public blacklists. The eventual result is everyone
bouncing their complaints and apologies off each other's
anti-spam blacklists.

it isn't stanfordalumni.org that's the problem, but
64.142.19.5 which resolves to b.mail.sonic.net. sonic.net is
an isp based in santa rosa, california. b.mail.sonic.net is
an smtp server (i'd guess one in a pool that jobst used or
for some reason that his smtp server routes through) but it
doesn't appear to currently be an open relay (maybe it was
fixed or the alleged spammer was legimitely authenticated).

isis% telnet b.mail.sonic.net 25 Trying 64.142.19.5...
Connected to b.mail.sonic.net. Escape character is '^]'. 220
mail.sonic.net ESMTP Ready on Wed, 5 May 2004 16:28:52 -0700
[b.mail] MAIL From: [email hidden] 250 2.1.0
[email hidden]... Sender ok RCPT To: [email hidden]
550 5.7.1 [email hidden]... Relaying denied. Proper
authentication required. quit 221 2.0.0 b.mail.sonic.net
closing connection Connection closed by foreign host. isis%

if you goto openrbl.org and punch in 64.142.19.5 the
complaint is from the AUDNSBL (Aussie spam black-list).
track that to them and you get a specific entry from
april 5, 2004.

Reason for entry : Reynolds Multiple Spam Traps Type of
address : 3 - network

(ie, more than this one machine)

and here's (just fyi, most of you should be typing N now)
the offending spam. and you'll note if you search for sonic
that the relay did in fact take the mail from yahoo and pass
it to the not taking any [censored] australians. if sonic.net
really is your isp pass 'em this url and tell them to get
their machines off the aussie spam black-list:

dnsbl.net.aulookupOpen ↗

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But Craig is not giving her the plea= sure she deserves.<br>
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free shows. Is she= the best girl in the world or what?<br>
Hundreds of thousands of wives around the world list
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<q>The leopard does not change his spots.. The sleepy fox
catches no chicke= ns.. There's no use in flogging a dead
horse.. To scare a bird is not the w= ay to catch
it..What do you expect from a pig, but a grunt?.</p>
<r>When a fox hears a rabbit screaming it comes running, but
not to help.. = While the cats away the mice play..You
can lead a horse to water, but you c= an't make him
drink.. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's
ear..<br> </p>
<s><a href=3D"weeks.similar.thought.food.above.yousk-weeks.similar.thought.food.above.yousk-Open ↗
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Quoted message said:

if you don't want anymore go here. </a><br>

</p>
<t>A chain is no stronger than its weakest link.. A rolling
stone gathers n= o moss..After the storm comes the
calm.. All aren't hunters that blow the h= orn.. </p>
</body> </html>
--
david reuteler [email hidden]

David Reuteler said:

Quoted message said:

David's system has blacklisted
[email hidden], but appears itself on
more public blacklists. The eventual result is everyone
bouncing their complaints and apologies off each other's
anti-spam blacklists.

it isn't stanfordalumni.org that's the problem, but
64.142.19.5 which resolves to b.mail.sonic.net. sonic.net
is an isp based in santa rosa, california. b.mail.sonic.net
is an smtp server (i'd guess one in a pool that jobst used
or for some reason that his smtp server routes through) but
it doesn't appear to currently be an open relay (maybe it
was fixed or the alleged spammer was legimitely
authenticated).

isis% telnet b.mail.sonic.net 25 Trying 64.142.19.5...
Connected to b.mail.sonic.net. Escape character is '^]'.
220 mail.sonic.net ESMTP Ready on Wed, 5 May 2004 16:28:52
-0700 [b.mail] MAIL From: [email hidden] 250 2.1.0
[email hidden]... Sender ok RCPT To: [email hidden]
550 5.7.1 [email hidden]... Relaying denied. Proper
authentication required. quit 221 2.0.0 b.mail.sonic.net
closing connection Connection closed by foreign host. isis%

if you goto openrbl.org and punch in 64.142.19.5 the
complaint is from the AUDNSBL (Aussie spam black-list).
track that to them and you get a specific entry from
april 5, 2004.

Reason for entry : Reynolds Multiple Spam Traps Type of
address : 3 - network

(ie, more than this one machine)

and here's (just fyi, most of you should be typing N now)
the offending spam. and you'll note if you search for sonic
that the relay did in fact take the mail from yahoo and
pass it to the not taking any [censored] australians. if
sonic.net really is your isp pass 'em this url and tell
them to get their machines off the aussie spam black-list:

dnsbl.net.aulookupOpen ↗

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Quoted message said:

ents.<br> Why?<br> Cause she is married and has a family.
But Craig is not giving her the plea= sure she
deserves.<br> She has a web cam and flirts with other guys
giving them free shows. Is she= the best girl in the world
or what?<br> Hundreds of thousands of wives around the
world list themselves on our site= to meet guys like you
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<p> </p>
<p>The leopard does not change his spots.. The sleepy fox
catches no chicke= ns.. There's no use in flogging a
dead horse.. To scare a bird is not the w= ay to catch
it..What do you expect from a pig, but a grunt?.</p>
<p>When a fox hears a rabbit screaming it comes running,
but not to help.. = While the cats away the mice
play..You can lead a horse to water, but you c= an't
make him drink.. You can't make a silk purse out of a
sow's ear..<br> </p>
<p><a href=3D"weeks.similar.thought.food.above.yous-weeks.similar.thought.food.above.yous-Open ↗
ks.com/go/2.html"=

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</p>
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Dear David,

I expect that your detailed tracing is accuratel, but
effectively, the chiark site blacklisted Jobst (and others)
by blacklisting the intermediate systems. Such folk are
often not even aware that they're rejecting email, any more
than they're aware that their email is in turn being
blacklisted.

This blacklisting (and other well-meant anti-spam efforts)
are often the cause of the angry posts that we see here
about so-and-so has ignored all my attempts to resolve this
situation by email--so-and-so doesn't even know that his
system was rejecting the email.

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

I expect that your detailed tracing is accuratel, but
effectively, the chiark site blacklisted Jobst (and
others) by blacklisting the intermediate systems.

the distinction is noteworthy because all jobst has to do
for his email to succeed is change his outbound smtp server
since it is not his site that has been blacklisted.

Quoted message said:

Such folk are often not even aware that they're rejecting
email, any more than they're aware that their email is in
turn being blacklisted.

This blacklisting (and other well-meant anti-spam efforts)
are often the cause of the angry posts that we see here
about so-and-so has ignored all my attempts to resolve
this situation by email--so-and-so doesn't even know that
his system was rejecting the email.

let me help resolve all your disputes (i have low hourly
rates billable via paypal, 1 hour minimum).
--
david reuteler [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

David Damerell said:

David Damerell <[email hidden]>
Distortion Field!

So how come mail to your address resutls in: ----- The
following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<[email hidden]> (reason: 550 Blacklisted
site `[64.142.19.5]' [Irritated])

2004-04-05 06:10:38 BST: dbreasons: site 64.142.19.5 black
{Sent mail to bait address bait@fowler-
schocken.culture.dotat.at} 2004-04-05 06:10:39 BST:
dbreasons: site 64.142.19.5 black {Sent mail to bait address
[email hidden]}

About a month ago that same machine, through which your mail
comes, sent spam to a bait address; an address that is
advertised (probably on the Web) with accompanying text that
will make it clear to a human being that it should not be
sent mail.

Irritatingly, I receive a list of addresses from which mail
has been rejected daily, but with the tide of Windows mail
client worms it is no longer practical to review it
carefully.

If you are willing to try again, I believe I have now
arranged that mail from the address you used will be
accepted irrespective of the originating system.
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> flcl?

David Damerell said:

Quoted message said:

David Damerell said:

David Damerell <[email hidden]>
Distortion Field!

So how come mail to your address resutls in: ----- The
following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<[email hidden]> (reason: 550 Blacklisted
site `[64.142.19.5]' [Irritated])

2004-04-05 06:10:38 BST: dbreasons: site 64.142.19.5 black
{Sent mail to bait address bait@fowler-
schocken.culture.dotat.at} 2004-04-05 06:10:39 BST:
dbreasons: site 64.142.19.5 black {Sent mail to bait
address [email hidden]}

About a month ago that same machine, through which your
mail comes, sent spam to a bait address; an address that
is advertised (probably on the Web) with accompanying text
that will make it clear to a human being that it should
not be sent mail.

Irritatingly, I receive a list of addresses from which
mail has been rejected daily, but with the tide of Windows
mail client worms it is no longer practical to review it
carefully.

If you are willing to try again, I believe I have now
arranged that mail from the address you used will be
accepted irrespective of the originating system.

Dave, I tried to send you a note just now but I got a
message saying that 'mail could not be sent'.

--
Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1
April, 1971

A Muzi said:

David Damerell wrote:

[Of mail blocking]

Quoted message said:

Dave, I tried to send you a note just now but I got a
message saying that 'mail could not be sent'.

It looks like this was a delay report, since I got the mail
message... although this is stretching the limits of topic
rather. :-)
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]>
Distortion Field!

Quoted message said:

Pedals wouldn't need left hand treads if they had a
tapered shoulder on their shafts similar to lug nuts on
cars. Formerly, lug nuts had left hand threads on the
right side before the conical lug nut was introduced. This
has nothing to do with ball or roller bearings, or their
seizing up and the likes.

Does anybody have photos which might help explain this?

(Adam Rush) said:

Quoted message said:

Pedals wouldn't need left hand treads if they had a
tapered shoulder on their shafts similar to lug nuts on
cars. Formerly, lug nuts had left hand threads on the
right side before the conical lug nut was introduced.
This has nothing to do with ball or roller bearings, or
their seizing up and the likes.

Does anybody have photos which might help explain this?

No, but you could look at a car. Widely available.

--
Ted Bennett Portland OR

Adam Rush said:

Jobst Brandt:

Quoted message said:

Pedals wouldn't need left hand treads if they had a
tapered shoulder on their shafts similar to lug nuts
on cars.

Does anybody have photos which might help explain this?

Jobst has sent me a photograph which makes it clear. If he
is willing, I will make it available on the Web. Jobst?
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> flcl?

David Damerell said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Pedals wouldn't need left hand treads if they had a
tapered shoulder on their shafts similar to lug nuts
on cars.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Does anybody have photos which might help explain this?

Quoted message said:

Jobst has sent me a photograph which makes it clear. If he
is willing, I will make it available on the Web. Jobst?

Sure, if it helps visualize the problem of doing this.

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

David Damerell <[email hidden]> writes:

[Conical tapers on pedal shafts]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Jobst has sent me a photograph which makes it clear. If he
is willing, I will make it available on the Web. Jobst?

Sure, if it helps visualize the problem of doing this.

chiark.greenend.org.ukbrandtOpen ↗
cranks.jpg

This is not a small image file, because I am too lazy to
shrink it.
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> flcl?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Pedals wouldn't need left hand treads if they had a
tapered shoulder on their shafts similar to lug nuts
on cars. Formerly, lug nuts had left hand threads on
the right side before the conical lug nut was
introduced. This has nothing to do with ball or roller
bearings, or their seizing up and the likes.

Does anybody have photos which might help explain this?

No, but you could look at a car. Widely available.

How would you react if you came back to the parking lot to
find a strange man looking into your wheel well?