The Joy of Cooking - edition question

I've never liked that one, the doubleday cookbook is
better. YMMV

take care Liz

Hey! Look what BFB <[email hidden]> wrote :

Quoted message said:

Believe it or not, w/all the cookbooks I own, I've never
had a copy of the classic "The Joy of Cooking." I'd like to
pick up a copy of the edition that preceded the "All New
JOC", which I hear is not as good as the original. But I'm
a bit confused about what book to actually buy, since
there's both "The JOC" & "The JOC - All Purpose Cookbook"
in addition to the "All New JOC."

Looking at Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble, there's a "JOC -
APC", revised in October 1997. But the "All New JOC seems
to have been published around the same time. Are these two
identical, or will the Oct 97 edition of the JOC APC get me
what I want? Or do I want the 1975 JOC? I'd appreciate it
if someone would point out precisely the title & edition
date, or even an ISBN #, so that I pick up the right book.

When replying, I'd be most grateful if you'd also CC me
directly.

TIA, & a very good weekend to all.

Best, BFB NYC

In article <[email hidden]>, BFB <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Believe it or not, w/all the cookbooks I own, I've never
had a copy of the classic "The Joy of Cooking." I'd like
to pick up a copy of the edition that preceded the "All
New JOC", which I hear is not as good as the original. But
I'm a bit confused about what book to actually buy, since
there's both "The JOC" & "The JOC - All Purpose Cookbook"
in addition to the "All New JOC."

Looking at Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble, there's a "JOC -
APC", revised in October 1997. But the "All New JOC seems
to have been published around the same time. Are these two
identical, or will the Oct 97 edition of the JOC APC get
me what I want? Or do I want the 1975 JOC? I'd appreciate
it if someone would point out precisely the title &
edition date, or even an ISBN #, so that I pick up the
right book.

When replying, I'd be most grateful if you'd also CC me
directly.

TIA, & a very good weekend to all.

The ISBN for the 1975 edition is 0-672-51831-7. Another way
to know you've got the right one is that the authors don't
include Ethan Becker. I have both the 1975 and the "all new"
Joys. The major gripe I have with the newer one is a lack of
a single voice in the recipes. You may have heard that the
new one was actually edited by one woman, who solicited
recipes from what seems like a cast of thousands. It's not
clear how much say Ethan Becker really had in the book. (The
other original authors are both dead.)

Cindy

--
C.J. Fuller

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BFB said:

Believe it or not, w/all the cookbooks I own, I've never
had a copy of the classic "The Joy of Cooking." I'd like to
pick up a copy of the edition that preceded the "All New
JOC", which I hear is not as good as the original. But I'm
a bit confused about what book to actually buy, since
there's both "The JOC" & "The JOC - All Purpose Cookbook"
in addition to the "All New JOC."

Looking at Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble, there's a "JOC -
APC", revised in October 1997. But the "All New JOC seems
to have been published around the same time. Are these two
identical, or will the Oct 97 edition of the JOC APC get me
what I want? Or do I want the 1975 JOC? I'd appreciate it
if someone would point out precisely the title & edition
date, or even an ISBN #, so that I pick up the right book.

When replying, I'd be most grateful if you'd also CC me
directly.

TIA, & a very good weekend to all.

Best, BFB NYC

Have you experienced the "Joy of Googling yet?" Just about
anything you ever wondered about cooking has been discussed
in Newsgroups and on Websites on the Internet. Point your
web browser to:

www.google.com/

then just type the subject you are interested in learning
more about into the "Search box". You will be amazed at
the information from various sources that pops up. Also,
it's free!

Regards, Bill

In article said:

I've never liked that one, the doubleday cookbook is
better. YMMV

As a cookbook, nothing I own would replace The Joy of
Cooking. I especially like the "about so-and-so" sections
which lead off many of the chapters. They supply a lot of
the knowlege you need to make good use of the recipes which
would otherwise have to be spread throughout the book. And
good as any cookbook is, one rarely reads the whole thing.

To address the OP's question, I'd recommend getting an
earlier edition. The newer editions omit some of the
interesting things, for example some of the more exotic game
recipes. I don't ever expect to have to fix a racoon or
opossum, but it's nice to know that I *could* if the
occasion arose.

Here's a URL that discusses some of the changes in the new
version, which supposedly bring things "up to date". Maybe
it does, but sometimes a classic doesn't need to be updated:
<pbs.orgjulyOpen ↗
dec97/joy_11-27.html>.

Mike Beede

Bill said:

Have you experienced the "Joy of Googling yet?" Just about
anything you ever wondered about cooking has been
discussed in Newsgroups and on Websites on the Internet.
Point your web browser to:

www.google.com/

then just type the subject you are interested in learning
more about into the "Search box". You will be amazed at
the information from various sources that pops up. Also,
it's free!

Regards, Bill

________________________________
________________________________

Yes, Bill, I've experienced the "Joy of Googling." My entire
biz is based on sophisticated search & analysis of web-
derived info. If you'd have read my mssg carefully you'd
have seen I'd already done my homework (via both Google
websearch as well as a Google Groups search of r.f.c.)
having ID'd *3*, not 2, distinct titles:

The JOC - original & subsequent updates The JOC/All Purpose
Cookbook - w/a mid- & late-90s publ date The All-New JOC -
w/a mid- or late-90s publ date

My investigation didn't find anything that *clearly*
outlined differences between the last 2, if any, which led
me to make my first post to r.f.c. -- a friendly request for
a little help, seeking *confirmation* they were the same, as
I explained.

To those that offered up the info I requested or used my
note as a springboard for other constructive or pleasant
discussion, my thanks.

BFB NYC

A man after my own heart.... (mom gave me a smallish book
with a recipe for squirrel in it.)

I just find the instructions hard to read in JOC,
don't know why.

take care Liz

Hey! Look what Mike Beede <[email hidden]> wrote :

Quoted message said:

To address the OP's question, I'd recommend getting an
earlier edition. The newer editions omit some of the
interesting things, for example some of the more exotic
game recipes. I don't ever expect to have to fix a racoon
or opossum, but it's nice to know that I *could* if the
occasion arose.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mike Beede said:

As a cookbook, nothing I own would replace The Joy of
Cooking.

Bittman's "How to Cook Everything" comes close--and is, in
certain ways, better.

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MisNomer said:

I just find the instructions hard to read in JOC, don't
know why.

Because they're hard to read. Granted I did figure out how
to use Joy of Cooking, but I thought I was the only one who
found it tricky for the longest time. Then my mother, who
has to be the least practical woman on the planet when it
comes cooking, sewing and housework, said something to the
effect of not knowing what was meant by the instructions.
This was the one cookbook in our house, and she'd given up
on using it. I believe she got that one book as a wedding
gift, assumed she'd never be able to cook and never looked
around to see that other cookbooks could have answered her
questions and explained things in a way she'd understand. I
like to think how the history of cooking in my house could
have been changed if she'd gotten a different basic cookbook
as a wedding gift in 1954. I should also point out, before
anyone jumps to conclusions, that my mother is brilliant in
other areas, just can't do anything practical to save her.

--Lia

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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Mike Beede

Quoted message said:

As a cookbook, nothing I own would replace The Joy of
Cooking.

Bittman's "How to Cook Everything" comes close--and is, in
certain ways, better.

Strange...I found his cooking times weren't correct and also
it seemed to me most of the recipes weren't tested.

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Once during Prohibition I was forced to live for days on
nothing but food and water.
--------
FIELDS, W. C.

Thanks!

take care Liz

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<[email hidden]> wrote :

Quoted message said:

Because they're hard to read. Granted I did figure out how
to use Joy of Cooking, but I thought I was the only one who
found it tricky for the longest time. Then my mother, who
has to be the least practical woman on the planet when it
comes cooking, sewing and housework, said something to the
effect of not knowing what was meant by the instructions.
This was the one cookbook in our house, and she'd given up
on using it. I believe she got that one book as a wedding
gift, assumed she'd never be able to cook and never looked
around to see that other cookbooks could have answered her
questions and explained things in a way she'd understand. I
like to think how the history of cooking in my house could
have been changed if she'd gotten a different basic
cookbook as a wedding gift in 1954. I should also point
out, before anyone jumps to conclusions, that my mother is
brilliant in other areas, just can't do anything practical
to save her.

--Lia

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Quoted message said:

To address the OP's question, I'd recommend getting an
earlier edition. The newer editions omit some of the
interesting things, for example some of the more exotic
game recipes. I don't ever expect to have to fix a racoon
or opossum, but it's nice to know that I *could* if the
occasion arose.

I've trapped oppossums out of my backyard (live trap) and
I'm pretty sure if you saw one up close you wouldn't want to
touch it much less clean and eat
it. They look like a giant rat and smell bad.

del cecchi

BFB said:

Believe it or not, w/all the cookbooks I own, I've never
had a copy of the classic "The Joy of Cooking." I'd like
to pick up a copy of the edition that preceded the "All
New JOC", which I hear is not as good as the original. But
I'm a bit confused about what book to actually buy, since
there's both "The JOC" & "The JOC - All Purpose Cookbook"
in addition to the "All New JOC."

I have the 1975 Joy of Cooking, Irma Rombauer and Marion
Becker. ISBN 0 672 51831 7

Parents, friends, relatives, roommates etc. own earlier
editions, 1963, 1948. All have both Rombauer and Becker
listed as authors. (The earliest had Irma Rombauer alone)

My Joy and the earlier ones include directions on how to
pasteurize milk, and make tofu. I didn't see those in the
new Rombauer Becker and Becker 1990s Joy, so it's of little
interest to me.

Anne Mendelsohn discusses the appeal of the 1940s-1975 Joy
in her book Stand Facing the Stove, and also some of the
variations in those years. The disctinctive auctorial
voice(s) is (are) missing from the newest, along with some
of the recipes I have made.

cycjec said:

Anne Mendelsohn discusses the appeal of the 1940s-1975 Joy
in her book Stand Facing the Stove, and also some of the
variations in those years. The disctinctive auctorial
voice(s) is (are) missing from the newest, along with some
of the recipes I have made.

irma evidently was a real card. did you like 'stand facing
the stove'?

your pal, blake