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  1. Evening all,

    as my tourer will not be touring this year I've bought some
    slightly narrower tyres for it - 28mm Schwalbe Marathons.
    They are rated to a maximum pressure of 115 p.s.i. and I
    would normally run the rear tyre at about this and the front
    slightly lower as per Sheldon and others' advice. However,
    my rims (Mavic A719s) also have a maximum tyre pressure
    marked on them, and for 28mm tyres this is 103 p.s.i. Any
    thoughts on whether I can breach this limit safely? After
    all, my old rims had no such markings and it would have
    never even entered my head that they might have a limit that
    was lower than the tyre.

    thanks,

    tony R.

  2. "tony R" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Evening all,

    as my tourer will not be touring this year I've bought
    some slightly narrower tyres for it - 28mm Schwalbe
    Marathons. They are rated to a


    maximum

    Quoted message said:

    pressure of 115 p.s.i. and I would normally run the rear
    tyre at about


    this

    Quoted message said:

    and the front slightly lower as per Sheldon and others'
    advice. However,


    my

    Quoted message said:

    rims (Mavic A719s) also have a maximum tyre pressure
    marked on them, and


    for

    Quoted message said:

    28mm tyres this is 103 p.s.i. Any thoughts on whether I
    can breach this limit safely? After all, my old rims had
    no such markings and it would


    have

    Quoted message said:

    never even entered my head that they might have a limit
    that was lower


    than

    Quoted message said:

    the tyre.

    Personally, I'd have thought 115PSI a bit high for 28mm
    covers anyway, although rider weight obviously does make a
    difference. I wouldn't give Mavic rims any excuse for
    disintegrating, if I were you - I've no experience with the
    719s, which may well be fine, but others tend not to need
    much encouragement!

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  3. tony R said:

    Evening all,

    as my tourer will not be touring this year I've bought
    some slightly narrower tyres for it - 28mm Schwalbe
    Marathons. They are rated to a maximum pressure of 115
    p.s.i. and I would normally run the rear tyre at about
    this and the front slightly lower as per Sheldon and
    others' advice. However, my rims (Mavic A719s) also have a
    maximum tyre pressure marked on them, and for 28mm tyres
    this is 103 p.s.i. Any thoughts on whether I can breach
    this limit safely? After all, my old rims had no such
    markings and it would have never even entered my head that
    they might have a limit that was lower than the tyre.

    I also think 115 psi is a little high for a 28mm touring
    tyre, for comfort, but I think you should be able to use
    that pressure if you like... in general, that is. I don't
    know the A719.

    If the concern is over whether the tyre will stay on the
    rim (rather than about the strength of the rim), I would
    test the tyre by over-inflating it (to beyond what you
    would ever want to use) and leaving to stand for 24
    hours*. If it survives that, it should survive lower
    pressure in normal use with all the various forces. There
    is a danger of damaging the rim's sidewalls if you go too
    far, though. I would guess a 130 psi test would do for
    this case, but don't go that high if you think the rim
    might not be strong enough.

    Dodgy tyres I've used have failed this test and I've never
    had any problems with tyres or rims that have passed it. Be
    prepared for an enormous bang and the loss of an inner tube.

    * It can take several hours for a bead to creep off, even
    when the wheel is stationary sitting at home. Best to test
    both tyres on both rims in case they ever get swapped (the
    tyres/rims may be actually slightly differenent even if
    same models & sizes).

    ~PB

  4. On Sat, 15 May 2004 23:04:22 +0100, "tony R" <[email hidden]>

    wrote in message : said:

    28mm Schwalbe Marathons. They are rated to a maximum
    pressure of 115 p.s.i. and I would normally run the rear
    tyre at about this and the front slightly lower as per
    Sheldon and others' advice. However, my rims (Mavic A719s)
    also have a maximum tyre pressure marked on them, and for
    28mm tyres this is 103 p.s.i.

    Wot the others said: 90-100psi should be fine. If in doubt
    about the rims (e.g. due to wear), overinflate by 50% then
    let the pressure down again.

    Guy
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  5. "tony R" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Evening all,

    as my tourer will not be touring this year I've bought
    some slightly narrower tyres for it - 28mm Schwalbe
    Marathons. They are rated to a


    maximum

    Quoted message said:

    pressure of 115 p.s.i. and I would normally run the rear
    tyre at about


    this

    Quoted message said:

    and the front slightly lower as per Sheldon and others'
    advice. However,


    my

    Quoted message said:

    rims (Mavic A719s) also have a maximum tyre pressure
    marked on them, and


    for

    Quoted message said:

    28mm tyres this is 103 p.s.i. Any thoughts on whether I
    can breach this limit safely? After all, my old rims had
    no such markings and it would


    have

    Quoted message said:

    never even entered my head that they might have a limit
    that was lower


    than

    Quoted message said:

    the tyre.

    They will have a massive safety margin built in, they
    should be fine.

    --
    Mike W

  6. "VisionSet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    They will have a massive safety margin built in, they
    should be fine.


    Thanks for the advice everyone. I too was a little surprised
    to see 115 on the sidewall, but what do I know? I've always
    run 32mm tyres. Anyway, I think I'll try them out at about
    100 and see how it goes.

    tony R.

  7. "tony R" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "VisionSet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Y5Ipc.300$ya2.78@newsfe5-
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    They will have a massive safety margin built in, they
    should be fine.

    The question is how much safety margin will remain when the
    tyres heat up from braking on a long descent.

    Recent/current thread in rec.bicycles.tech on this topic.

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the advice everyone. I too was a little
    surprised to see 115 on the sidewall, but what do I know?
    I've always run 32mm tyres. Anyway, I think I'll try them
    out at about 100 and see how it goes.

    Think about how much you and your load will weigh. I weigh
    180lbs on a skinny day and inflate my 23mm road bike tyres
    to 100psi each. That means they each need to have a contact
    patch of about 9/10ths of a square inch in order to support
    my weight. And that's fine with my tyres.
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  8. "Mark South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "tony R" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "VisionSet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Y5Ipc.300$ya2.78@newsfe5-
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    Quoted message said:


    They will have a massive safety margin built in, they
    should be fine.

    The question is how much safety margin will remain when
    the tyres heat up


    from

    Quoted message said:

    braking on a long descent.

    That's like saying a lift motor is specified for upto 10 m/s
    but they only tested it with an empty lift. No they test it
    with a 200% of rated load and 150% of the rated speed.

    --
    Mike W

  9. VisionSet [email hidden] opined the following...

    Quoted message said:

    That's like saying a lift motor is specified for upto
    10 m/s but they only tested it with an empty lift. No
    they test it with a 200% of rated load and 150% of the
    rated speed.

    But the OP is talking about exceeding the maximum pressure
    stated on the rim, so he is already over the rating. The
    question is, how over- engineered is the rim?

    Jon

  10. "VisionSet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Mark South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "tony R" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "VisionSet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Y5Ipc.300$ya2.78@newsfe5-
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    >
    > They will have a massive safety margin built in,
    > they should be


    fine.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    The question is how much safety margin will remain when
    the tyres heat


    up

    Quoted message said:

    from

    Quoted message said:

    braking on a long descent.

    That's like saying a lift motor is specified for upto 10
    m/s but they only tested it with an empty lift. No they
    test it with a 200% of rated load


    and

    Quoted message said:

    150% of the rated speed.

    Whilst I have no experience with the 719, the fact is that
    Mavic rims have, during the past ten years or so, developed
    a reputation for exploding sidewalls. This is mostly due to
    lack of sidewall thickness / durability and wear, and as
    such is unlikely to be a problem with new rims, but clearly
    tyre pressure is another factor which will become more
    significant as the rim wears. The people who have suggested
    over-inflating overnight are making sensible
    suggestions.Your confidence in Mavic's testing is (whilst
    touching ;-)) seriously misplaced IMO!

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  11. "Jon Senior" <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    VisionSet [email hidden] opined the following...

    But the OP is talking about exceeding the maximum pressure
    stated on the rim, so he is already over the rating.

    I agree. Although it's improbable that 15 PSI will make much
    difference, I think it's also fair to say that there will be
    very little performance advantage. Why not stick to the
    recommendations?

    Quoted message said:

    The question is, how over-
    engineered is the rim?

    Quite. And *over* engineering is not a speciality of Mavic,
    in my experience.

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  12. Simon D:

    Quoted message said:

    Personally, I'd have thought 115PSI a bit high for 28mm
    covers anyway,

    So, you wouldn't be too enthusiastic about the idea of a 1
    1/4" kevlar-beaded tyre inflated to 120 psi (max pressure
    according to tyre info) on a front wheel with an unhooked
    rim, on a bike ridden by a 14st+ rider?

    Couldn't tell you what the rim is. It's not Mavic. It's
    aluminium, I know that much. There's nothing on the rim
    about max pressure, only on the tyre. I hadn't even
    considered that this might be a problem, but now I'm a bit
    scared that I'm leaving myself in danger of blowouts/rim
    explosions. I thought you needed to run the tyres at the
    highest possible pressure to reduce risk of punctures.

    d.

  13. "davek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Simon D:

    Quoted message said:

    Personally, I'd have thought 115PSI a bit high for 28mm
    covers anyway,

    So, you wouldn't be too enthusiastic about the idea of a 1
    1/4" kevlar-beaded tyre inflated to 120 psi (max pressure
    according to tyre


    info)

    Quoted message said:

    on a front wheel with an unhooked rim, on a bike ridden by
    a 14st+ rider?

    Couldn't tell you what the rim is. It's not Mavic. It's
    aluminium, I know that much. There's nothing on the rim
    about max pressure, only on the


    tyre.

    Quoted message said:

    I hadn't even considered that this might be a problem, but
    now I'm a bit scared that I'm leaving myself in danger of
    blowouts/rim explosions. I thought you needed to run the
    tyres at the highest possible pressure to reduce risk of
    punctures.

    I think that's unlikely that either problem will occur (when
    it's a real problem - when you're riding it) if you follow
    Guy et als' advice about pre-testing at higher pressures.
    Rims can and do disintegrate, though! Check rims for wear
    regularly.

    My concern re. the OP is that Mavic are recommending a lower
    pressure from the start - i.e. not as a preventative measure
    when the rim's worn. Possibly higher pressure from the start
    can reduce the time before it disintegrates, through
    increased outward force being applied over a long period???
    That's just complete speculation, though.

    As for higher pressures reducing punctures, that depends on
    the (potential) cause of the puncture. It will reduce impact
    punctures ("snake bite"😉, but will probably, if anything,
    increase punctures caused by thorns, glass, etc. Again, I
    wouldn't have thought 120PSI would be the optimum for you; a
    1 1/4" tyre can deform a lot before it causes a snake bite.

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  14. Simon D:

    Quoted message said:

    I think that's unlikely that either problem will occur
    (when it's a real problem - when you're riding it) if you
    follow Guy et als' advice about pre-testing at higher
    pressures.

    I presume that over-inflating will quickly
    (catastrophically?) reveal if there is excessiev wear in
    the rim, yes?

    Quoted message said:

    My concern re. the OP is that Mavic are recommending a
    lower pressure from the start - i.e. not as a preventative
    measure when the rim's worn.

    Ah, now I see. And I think I understand your concern.

    Quoted message said:

    Again, I wouldn't have thought 120PSI would be the
    optimum for you

    Tactfully put. ;-)

    I forgot to add my other reason for prefering higher
    pressure - they seem to run faster at higher pressure (tbh,
    I rather thought that was the point of high-pressure tyres).
    It makes the ride a bit 'harder', but not uncomfortably so.

    d.

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    Quoted message said:

    I presume that over-inflating will quickly
    (catastrophically?) reveal if there is excessiev wear in
    the rim, yes?

    Spectacularly, potentially! When the CTC published guidance
    on this, they suggseted wearing safety glasses, which
    sounds sensible.

    The funny thing is, that for all the countless rims I've
    known to fail in this way when being ridden, I don't
    remember anyone having one fail in a "critical" situation
    (fast descent, e.g.). This can only have been luck (or
    people who are about to use their bikes in such a way
    checking carefully first), and I'd have thought that
    increased heat caused by braking, and possibly sideloads
    too, would make them more likely to blow in such situations.
    I suppose that air pressure is *much* the most important
    factor, and that since the sidewall is permanently under
    load when the tyre is inflated the probability of failure at
    The Wrong Time is low.

    Quoted message said:

    I forgot to add my other reason for prefering higher
    pressure - they seem


    to

    Quoted message said:

    run faster at higher pressure (tbh, I rather thought that
    was the point of high-pressure tyres). It makes the ride a
    bit 'harder', but not uncomfortably so.

    Yes, it's certainly true that rolling resistance reduces as
    pressure increases. However, this is not a linear
    relationship; you gain a lot more by increasing from 70 to
    80 PSI than from 100 to 110PSI. There comes a point where
    the returns (speed) are not worth the payoff (punctures;
    harsh ride). Nonetheless, if you're finding it works for you
    at 120PSI, who am I to argue? I would recommend keeping an
    eye on your rims, though (whatever pressure you run your
    tyres at). Don't get paranoid, but do be aware of it. You're
    probably okay with other brands, anyway - I always [1] found
    Mavic far and away the worst for this.

    [1] "Always" is not true, actually. Much as I hate to feel
    that I might be becoming an "Ah, it wasn't like that in
    my day..." type, I have to say that the Mavic rims of
    the early 80s never suffered this problem, IME. I think
    milling the sidewalls was the first step in the wrong
    direction, but there may be other technical reasons
    (alloy, attempts to save weight, e.g.) for the changes.

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  16. Simon D said:
    Quoted message said:

    But the OP is talking about exceeding the maximum
    pressure stated on the rim, so he is already over the
    rating.

    What is that rating for? Why does it vary with tyre width?
    Is it about rim strength or tyre retension?

    ~PB

  17. "Pete Biggs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Simon D wrote [actually, Jon Senior wrote!]:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    But the OP is talking about exceeding the maximum
    pressure stated on the rim, so he is already over the
    rating.

    What is that rating for? Why does it vary with tyre width?
    Is it about rim strength or tyre retension?

    ~PB

    Wasn't actually me who wrote that bit, Pete. Your guess is
    as good as mine. Might well just be a recommendation of
    "appropriateness", rather than being directly related to rim
    / tyre failure. That would explain the tyre section
    differences, wouldn't it? On the other hand, I'm guessing
    that a wider tyre might exert greater pressure on the
    sidewalls of the rim, pressure being equal - what do you
    reckon? (If you try to picture the cross section, you might
    see where I'm coming from with that statement.) At very
    least, the *direction* of the force is likely to be slightly
    different, don't you think?

    If it were my rim, I'd just be inclined to follow the
    manufacturer's advice, especially as it seems
    appropriate anyway.

    This is the first time I've heard of a *rim* manufacturer
    specifying pressures, and I can't help but suspect that it's
    connected to Mavic's reputation for producing rims which self-
    destruct after a year or two.

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  18. Simon D said:

    The funny thing is, that for all the countless rims I've
    known to fail in this way when being ridden, I don't
    remember anyone having one fail in a "critical" situation
    (fast descent, e.g.). This can only have been luck (or
    people who are about to use their bikes in such a way
    checking carefully first), and I'd have thought that
    increased heat caused by braking, and possibly sideloads
    too, would make them more likely to blow in such
    situations. I suppose that air pressure is *much* the most
    important factor, and that since the sidewall is
    permanently under load when the tyre is inflated the
    probability of failure at The Wrong Time is low.

    tranchant.plus.comft7 8

    Scroll down a bit to read "Day 8". If that German had been
    going the same speed as us, he'd have been doomed (unless of
    course, he'd worn a helmet).

    --
    Mark.

  19. Simon D said:

    The funny thing is, that for all the countless rims I've
    known to fail in this way when being ridden, I don't
    remember anyone having one fail in a "critical" situation
    (fast descent, e.g.). This can only have been luck (or
    people who are about to use their bikes in such a way
    checking carefully first), and I'd have thought that
    increased heat caused by braking, and possibly sideloads
    too, would make them more likely to blow in such
    situations. I suppose that air pressure is *much* the most
    important factor, and that since the sidewall is
    permanently under load when the tyre is inflated the
    probability of failure at The Wrong Time is low.

    tranchant.plus.comft7 8

    Scroll down a bit to read "Day 8". If that German had been
    going the same speed as us, he'd have been doomed (unless of
    course, he'd worn a helmet).

    --
    Mark.

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    Quoted message said:
    Simon D said:

    The funny thing is, that for all the countless rims I've
    known to fail


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    this way when being ridden, I don't remember anyone
    having one fail in a "critical" situation (fast descent,
    e.g.). This can only have been luck


    (or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    people who are about to use their bikes in such a way
    checking carefully first), and I'd have thought that
    increased heat caused by braking, and possibly sideloads
    too, would make them more likely to blow in such
    situations. I suppose that air pressure is *much* the
    most important


    factor,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and that since the sidewall is permanently under load
    when the tyre is inflated the probability of failure at
    The Wrong Time is low.

    tranchant.plus.comft7 8

    Scroll down a bit to read "Day 8". If that German had been
    going the same speed as us, he'd have been doomed (unless
    of course, he'd worn a helmet).

    So it does happen. Had he managed to remain upright, Mark?

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