OT - A message from Greg Zywicki

zxcvbob said:

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Wasn't greg kind of stalking Sheryl? Perhaps that's the
reason.

Different Greg.

Who? Me?

--
Best Greg ;---)

"Gregory Morrow" <[email hidden]>
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I don't know about that....

AFAIK when Google puts the kibbosh on your Usenet posting
capability, they don't do anything to indicate that you've
been banned....you get no correspondence about the
situation. You seemingly post as before, but your posts
simply don't show up. There is no "posting privileges
rescinded" or whatever message that pops up when you try
to post....which is sloppy practice and is still another
reason why Google falls far short of the mark when it
comes to Usenet....

Google is a free service so how can one say it falls far
shor of the mark when it comes to Usenet? No, they do not
offer the same services to Usenet posters that most pay ISPs
and news services but what they do offer is adequate. They
do not owe explanations to anyone.

Michael

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Deathbed statement...

"Codeine . . . bourbon." ~~Tallulah Bankhead, actress, d.
December 12, 1968

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"Mr. Wizard" <[email hidden]>
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He was very critical of Howard Dean and you will have
people after your head trying to "Shut you up!" if you
don't toe the PC line.

Says who? I've been slamming the Bush family for decades.
Especially the one that lives a mile down the road from
me. Never had a problem being bounced from anywhere and
I've been scathing in some of my posts.

Criticize a Democrat and you would be. It's the socialists
who can't stand dissent. If they could cook good Barbecue
they would take over the world.

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"Gregory Morrow"
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I don't know about that....

AFAIK when Google puts the kibbosh on your Usenet posting
capability, they don't do anything to indicate that you've
been banned....you get no correspondence about the
situation. You seemingly post as before, but your posts
simply don't show up. There is no "posting privileges
rescinded" or whatever message that pops up when you try
to post....which is sloppy practice and is still another
reason why Google falls far short of the mark when it
comes to Usenet....

Google is a free service so how can one say it falls far
shor of the mark when it comes to Usenet? No, they do not
offer the same services to Usenet posters that most pay
ISPs and news services but what they do offer is adequate.
They do not owe explanations to anyone.

Michael

They don't have to let anyone use their service, but they
have set themselves up as *the* defacto archive of usenet,
and they have some responsibility to keep the archives
accurate. They are way too quick to purge messages from the
archives that were *not* posted using their posting service.

The archivist of a public forum has a responsibility to keep
an accurate history -- warts and all.

Best regards, Bob

zxcvbob <[email hidden]> :"]news:[email hidden]:

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They don't have to let anyone use their service, but they
have set themselves up as *the* defacto archive of usenet,
and they have some responsibility to keep the archives
accurate. They are way too quick to purge messages from
the archives that were *not* posted using their posting
service.

The archivist of a public forum has a responsibility to
keep an accurate history -- warts and all.

Best regards, Bob

I agree with this to a certain extent but I don't think for
the same reasons you have. Google is not going to completely
louse up because when the number of hits decrease
significantly, Google's sponsors and paid ads will begin to
dwindle along with it. It's 'bout the $ IMO.

Michael

--
Deathbed statement...

"Codeine . . . bourbon." ~~Tallulah Bankhead, actress, d.
December 12, 1968

zxcvbob said:

They don't have to let anyone use their service, but they
have set themselves up as *the* defacto archive of usenet,
and they have some responsibility to keep the archives
accurate. They are way too quick to purge messages from
the archives that were *not* posted using their posting
service.

The archivist of a public forum has a responsibility to
keep an accurate history -- warts and all.

Thank you :-)

--
Best Greg

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Nancy Young writes:

Melba's Jammin said:

Greg hasn't posted here for a while. It seems that he's
been banned from posting via google because someone got
their knickers in a twist about an OT post he made here
several months ago. He's asked me to apologize for his
offense. This is it. He's sorry.

Greg's a nice guy. That someone reported him to google
for doing once what a boatload of others continue to do
here regularly and frequently boggles my mind. And he
regrets that he wasn't able to address his transgression
on group and apologize in this forum.

What the hell? That's ridiculous. And, unless I'm mistaken,
I haven't seen him post anything offensive so this is
uncalled for. Tell him to find a way to get back here. He
sure doesn't owe me any apology.

nancy (waving: Hi Greg!)

Sheesh... what could he have said that's worse than anything
that I've said at least a zillion times?

---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move
UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without
tribulation." Sheldon ````````````

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zxcvbob said:

Melba's Jammin' wrote:

Greg hasn't posted here for a while. It seems that he's
been banned from posting via google because someone got
their knickers in a twist about an OT post he made here
several months ago. He's asked me to apologize for his
offense. This is it. He's sorry.

Greg's a nice guy. That someone reported him to google
for doing once what a boatload of others continue to do
here regularly and frequently boggles my mind. And he
regrets that he wasn't able to address his transgression
on group and apologize in this forum.

You gotta be kidding.

<snip>

There's got to be more to this, something we're not being
told. ISPs do not investigate reports of mere OT posts,
especially not to UNmoderated Newsgroups... if ISPs zapped
accounts for mere OT posts there'd be no Usenet... this in
fact is an entirely OT thread and we're all still here. And
in fact ISPs are far more likely to investigate the
Newsgroup Police Complaintants, especially the Serial
Complaintants. So Barb, did Greg Zywicki contact you via
email? If he did than he has internet access, and if he has
internet access he can subscribe to Newsgroups. Perhaps he
never really had his own ISP, he could have been using his
employer's account, as is true with most Googlers,
Hotmailers, any freebie accounts... perhaps he no longer has
access to his employer's account, that sounds more like the
*real* deal. This story smells funny (fercocktah funny)...
kinda like boiled BEETS... now we're back on topic.

---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move
UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without
tribulation." Sheldon ````````````

I cannot imagine what could be said that could _possibly_cut
him outta the herd. This is nuts.

~~~Gina~~~

Sheldon said:

Sheesh... what could he have said that's worse than
anything that I've

said at

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least a zillion times?

That's why Google doesn't archive any of your recent posts,
Sheldon....

--
Best Greg

Sheldon said:

There's got to be more to this, something we're not being
told. ISPs do

not

Quoted message said:

investigate reports of mere OT posts, especially not to
UNmoderated Newsgroups... if ISPs zapped accounts for mere
OT posts there'd be no

Usenet...

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this in fact is an entirely OT thread and we're all still
here. And in

fact

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ISPs are far more likely to investigate the
Newsgroup Police

Complaintants,

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especially the Serial Complaintants.

These Serial NetKKKoppers are the *lowest* form of scum -
and in the long run their devious ways *always* come back to
haunt them....sometimes with *real life* repurcussions....

A few years back one of these Serial NetKKKoppers (on a
travel group) got hers and but *good*. Several folks got
tired of her scumbaggery ways (phony compaints to their
ISP's, etc.) and it eventually led to her being fired from
her job....

--
Best Greg

(PENMART01) said:

There's got to be more to this, something we're not being
told. ISPs do not investigate reports of mere OT posts,
especially not to UNmoderated Newsgroups... if ISPs zapped
accounts for mere OT posts there'd be no Usenet...

Google is a free service. They can zap any account they
want; it's not like they're losing any customers or revenue,
like a real ISP/NSP would.

The posting I saw of Greg's, he was posting from General
Motors using a CompuServe address.

He could simply sign up with yahoo./hotmail and get another
Deja/Google account VIA the new email address.

-sw

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(PENMART01) said:

Quoted message said:

zxcvbob said:

Melba's Jammin' wrote:

Greg hasn't posted here for a while. It seems that he's
been banned from posting via google because someone got
their knickers in a twist about an OT post he made here
several months ago. He's asked me to apologize for his
offense. This is it. He's sorry.

Greg's a nice guy. That someone reported him to google
for doing once what a boatload of others continue to do
here regularly and frequently boggles my mind. And he
regrets that he wasn't able to address his
transgression on group and apologize in this forum.

You gotta be kidding.

<snip>

There's got to be more to this, something we're not being
told. ISPs do not investigate reports of mere OT posts,
especially not to UNmoderated Newsgroups... if ISPs zapped
accounts

His ISP didn't zap him. He posted to news via Google and
Google zapped his ability to do so.

Quoted message said:

for mere OT posts there'd be no Usenet... this in fact is
an entirely OT thread and we're all still here. And in fact
ISPs are far more likely to investigate the Newsgroup
Police Complaintants, especially the Serial Complaintants.
So Barb, did Greg Zywicki contact you via email?

He did.

Quoted message said:

If he did than he has internet access, and if he has
internet access he can subscribe to Newsgroups. Perhaps
he never really had his own ISP, he could have been
using his employer's account, as is true with most
Googlers, Hotmailers, any freebie accounts... perhaps he
no longer has access to his employer's account, that
sounds more like the *real* deal. This story smells
funny (fercocktah funny)... kinda like boiled BEETS...
now we're back on topic.

I think you're wrong. I believe that the cs.com in his mail
address stands for compuserve. I also think your
speculation about using a free mail account is hooey. I
don't know why he chose to use google for posting to
groups. zxcvbob posted the post that got him bounced and it
includes his mail address.
--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> updated 5/7/04 -
Fajita Soup.

Gregory Morrow said:

Sheldon said:

Sheesh... what could he have said that's worse than
anything that I've

said at

Quoted message said:

least a zillion times?

That's why Google doesn't archive any of your recent posts,
Sheldon....

Isn't that funny? They have a permanent block on all his
*original* posts (not quoted posts), and he doesn't even
*use* Google to post from.

Sheldon is one of only 9 people in the whole *world* that
Deja-Google has singled out and censored like that. I think
that's hilarious

-sw

Steve Wertz said:

Sheldon is one of only 9 people in the whole *world* that
Deja-Google has singled out and censored like that. I
think that's hilarious

I tried telling him that a while back but he didn't seem to
understand... they haven't been archiving his posts for
about 2 years now...

~john

--
"Black holes are where God divided by Zero." - Steven Wright

Steve Wertz said:

Sheldon is one of only 9 people in the whole *world* that
Deja-Google has singled out and censored like that. I
think that's hilarious

Which is why as a Usenet "archive" Google sux...AFAIK
Deja (and also Remarq) *never* engaged in censoring of
anyone's posts....

A coupla years ago I happened to question someone's veracity
on a travel group and as a result of her complaints Google
completely erased about nine months of my postings on
*every* group I had posted on. Doesn't matter to me
<shrug/>, but as a policy it's a pretty lame SOP.

*All* Usenet posts (including Sheldon's) should be
permanently archived. I like Google and it's many useful
utilities but their half - azzed and hare - brained Usenet
"policies" are really something of a laffin' stock....

Boy do I really miss Deja and Remarq....

--
Best Greg

Levelwave© said:

Steve Wertz said:

Sheldon is one of only 9 people in the whole *world*
that Deja-Google has singled out and censored like
that. I think that's hilarious

I tried telling him that a while back but he didn't seem
to understand... they haven't been archiving his posts
for about 2 years now...

Obviously, he doesn't care and it's no big deal to anyone -
except those who want to google him.

Practice safe eating - always use condiments

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(PENMART01) said:

Quoted message said:

Melba's Jammin' writes:

Quoted message said:

(PENMART01) said:

>zxcvbob writes:
>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>
>> Greg hasn't posted here for a while. It seems that
>> he's been banned from posting via google because
>> someone got their knickers in a twist about an OT
>> post he made here several months ago. He's asked me
>> to apologize for his offense. This is it. He's
>> sorry.
>>
>> Greg's a nice guy. That someone reported him to
>> google for doing once what a boatload of others
>> continue to do here regularly and frequently boggles
>> my mind. And he regrets that he wasn't able to
>> address his transgression on group and apologize in
>> this forum.
>
>
>You gotta be kidding.

<snip>

There's got to be more to this, something we're not
being told. ISPs do not investigate reports of mere OT
posts, especially not to UNmoderated Newsgroups... if
ISPs zapped accounts

His ISP didn't zap him. He posted to news via Google and
Google zapped his ability to do so.

Quoted message said:

for mere OT posts there'd be no Usenet... this in fact
is an entirely OT thread and we're all still here. And
in fact ISPs are far more likely to investigate the
Newsgroup Police Complaintants, especially the Serial
Complaintants. So Barb, did Greg Zywicki contact you via
email?

He did.

Quoted message said:

If he did than he has internet access, and if he has
internet access he can subscribe to Newsgroups. Perhaps
he never really had his own ISP, he could have been
using his employer's account, as is true with most
Googlers, Hotmailers, any freebie accounts... perhaps he
no longer has access to his employer's account, that
sounds more like the *real* deal. This story smells
funny (fercocktah funny)... kinda like boiled BEETS...
now we're back on topic.

I think you're wrong. I believe that the cs.com in his
mail address stands for compuserve. I also think your
speculation about using a free mail account is hooey.

I said PERHAPS, you do know the definition of PERHAPS...
speculation is not hooey, it's speculation...

You're right. I thought perhaps you were being sarcastic in
your use of the word. "-) My bad.

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what's hooey is YOUR posting soap operish DRIVEL... as if
it were important... NOT!

Sweetie, it's no more drivel than some of the stuff you
post. As to its importance, it rang your bell enough that
you chose to remark on it rather than ignore it.

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I seriously doubt a single soul gives a flying F if Greg
can post to google or not. IT'S NOT IMPORTANT... certainly
not important enough that you would choose to abash

Abash? "a·bash vt to make somebody feel ashamed,
embarrassed, or uncomfortable"

Sheldon, I can't imagine ANYONE making you feel ashamed,
embarrassed, or uncomfortable. <grin>

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folks for replying to YOUR fercocktah post... hey, you
don't like replys, DO NOT POST!!!

The word is "replies". "-) (snip)

Quoted message said:

this thread is pure sillyness...must be a pickle hat
stroke.

Hey, I'm not stroking any pickle hats -- that was Kramer who
took those pictures!

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Ahahahahaha. . . . Sheldon ````````````

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Fajita Soup.

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"Melba's Jammin'" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Greg hasn't posted here for a while. It seems that he's
been banned from posting via google because someone got
their knickers in a twist about an OT post he made here
several months ago. He's asked me to apologize for his
offense. This is it. He's sorry.

Greg's a nice guy. That someone reported him to google
for doing once what a boatload of others continue to do
here regularly and frequently boggles my mind. And he
regrets that he wasn't able to address his transgression
on group and apologize in this forum.
--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> updated 5/7/04 -
Fajita Soup.

Nothing against Greg, but the idea that he has been banned
from posting for a single off-topic post really stretches
the imagination. And even if he was it would take about 5
minutes to find another way to post. This story just does
not hold water.

Sorry to be coy - I've been busy for a few days and
couldn't respond.

First off, Praise be to Google for their service, and for
benevolently removing the "hold" on my account.

Yeah, I'm piling it on a bit thick. But seriously, it's
their ball, and they're letting me play again. I'm not going
to complain. They were within their rights.

All I know is that they put a hold on me due to excessive
complaints about OT posting. They only reffed the Dean post,
and gave no info as to whether Many people put in one
complaint or one person put in many complaints. Or one
person masqueraded as many. Or if trilaterallist deaniacs
ran code from a WIFI network in their black helicopters to
spam google.

I'll have to leave you unsatisfied as to why I use a crappy
free service instead of the compuserve that I pay for
(although, I gotta say Compuserve has a pretty lame
newsreader, and I vaguely recall it being a pain to use
popmail type set up. Thanks in advance for the tips I'll get
on this, but there's no need. I'll keep up this way.)

So, thanks for all the goodwill, and remember folks - if
someone tweeks you the wrong way, call them on it publicly
first. Some people (like me) might actually respect your
complaint. You can always move on to other methods later.

Greg Zywicki

[email hidden] (Greg Zywicki) wrote in
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So, thanks for all the goodwill, and remember folks - if
someone tweeks you the wrong way, call them on it publicly
first. Some people (like me) might actually respect your
complaint. You can always move on to other methods later.

Greg Zywicki

OK Greg I don't like the way you're sitting in your
chair...Straighten up or I'm tellin'. 🙂

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Once during Prohibition I was forced to live for days on
nothing but food and water.
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FIELDS, W. C.