Treadmill VS Outdoors

"BX9802" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Other than weather and other outdoor elements, is there
really any main difference between running on a treadmill
and running outdoors? I want to begin training for a
marathon this summer but I'll also be doing manual

labor

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outdoors. If I could do my runs during the week indoors in
the air conditioning it would be much better. I was still
planning on doing the

long

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runs outdoors. Would there be a problem with this?

Others may say it's a problem, but I don't. Treadmills are
more than close enough to actual running that you will
clearly benefit. I have friends that are great runners that
do nothing but stationary bike and elliptical machines, then
race very good times. There's a lot to be said for simply
getting your heart rate in the right zone for the right
amount of time every day, regardless of how it's achieved.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see putting other people
down constantly."

"BX9802" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: Other than weather and other outdoor elements, is there
: really any main difference between running on a treadmill
: and running outdoors? I want to begin training for a
: marathon this summer but I'll also be doing manual
labor
: outdoors. If I could do my runs during the week indoors in
: the air conditioning it would be much better. I was still
: planning on doing the
long
: runs outdoors. Would there be a problem with this?
:
: Thanks in advance, Kyle

A friend and I trained for a marathon- my first, this past
November- using mostly treadmills with a few outdoor runs to
get the bodies used to the pounding of the pavement. I think
it's definitely do-able. I would suggest, though, that you
don't do long runs outside unless you've done some shorter
runs outdoors. It's a bit of a shock to the system if you've
only been running treadmill for quite a while.

Good luck!

Peace, Brian

I will fall back on specificity. If the race is to be held
outside, training outside would be superior as long as you
can train properly. I would argue that running all the
during the week runs inside in cool weather will delay your
getting use to the heat when you run outside on the
weekends. The only way to acclimate to exercise in the heat
is to exercise in heat.

That said, I know people who have done it.

"BX9802" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040517185530.15636.00001443@mb-
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Quoted message said:

Other than weather and other outdoor elements, is there
really any main difference between running on a treadmill
and running outdoors? I want to begin training for a
marathon this summer but I'll also be doing manual

labor

Quoted message said:

outdoors. If I could do my runs during the week indoors in
the air conditioning it would be much better. I was still
planning on doing the

long

Quoted message said:

runs outdoors. Would there be a problem with this?

Thanks in advance, Kyle

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"BX9802" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Other than weather and other outdoor elements, is there
really any main difference between running on a
treadmill and running outdoors? I want

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

begin training for a marathon this summer but I'll also
be doing manual

labor

Quoted message said:

outdoors. If I could do my runs during the week indoors
in the air conditioning it would be much better. I was
still planning on doing the

long

Quoted message said:

runs outdoors. Would there be a problem with this?

Others may say it's a problem, but I don't. Treadmills are
more than close enough to actual running that you will
clearly benefit. I have friends that are great runners
that do nothing but stationary bike and elliptical
machines, then race very good times. There's a lot to be
said for simply getting your heart rate in the right zone
for the right amount of time every day, regardless of how
it's achieved.

The above examples are definitely exceptions.
Specificity, specificity, specificity. The mode
of exercise does matter when it comes to
performance issues.

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cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see putting other people
down constantly."

BX9802 said:

Other than weather and other outdoor elements, is there
really any main difference between running on a treadmill
and running outdoors? I want to begin training for a
marathon this summer but I'll also be doing manual labor
outdoors. If I could do my runs during the week indoors in
the air conditioning it would be much better.

If you're considering a trail marathon, then no, it's not
specific enough and doesn't work enough muscles. If a road
'thon, then it may not be too different, but you should
still get lots of outdoors runs so your feet get used to
surface and you get the feeling of pacing outdoors. If you
can do routes similar in elevation profile to the marathon,
so much the better.

Is your marathon during a cooler season or will it be hot
then? If hot, then I'd either do your runs outside or turn
off the air conditioning for heat acclimitization.

I was still planning on doing the long

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runs outdoors. Would there be a problem with this?

As others have said, you might want to do some of your
shorter runs on the road also so your feet get used to
the surface and difference in pacing. You might find them
different (or similar) enough for *you* to answer your
own question.

You might do google group search on r.running for
"treadmill Clark author😄ot" for several threads with an
assortment of comments on treadmills as used for road
marathon training. Christine Clark did much (not all) of
her training for the US Olympic trials in 2000 on a
treadmill for time management issues.

Dot trail, not treadmill, runner

--
"Success is different things to different people" -Bernd
Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

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"BX9802" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Other than weather and other outdoor elements, is
there really any

main

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difference between running on a treadmill and running
outdoors? I

want

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to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

begin training for a marathon this summer but I'll
also be doing

manual

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labor

Quoted message said:

outdoors. If I could do my runs during the week
indoors in the air conditioning it would be much
better. I was still planning on doing

the

Quoted message said:

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long

Quoted message said:

runs outdoors. Would there be a problem with this?

Others may say it's a problem, but I don't. Treadmills
are more than close enough to actual running that you
will clearly benefit. I have friends that are great
runners that do nothing but stationary bike and
elliptical machines, then race very good times. There's
a lot to be said for simply getting your heart rate in
the right zone for the right amount of time every day,
regardless of how it's achieved.

The above examples are definitely exceptions. Specificity,
specificity, specificity. The mode of exercise does matter
when it comes

to

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performance issues.

I agree, but think this is more true when dealing with
elite/very competitive athletes. For the average runner who
doesn't log a lot of miles, a strong cross-training program
is a help rather than a hindrance.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see putting other people
down constantly."

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Other than weather and other outdoor elements, is there
really any main difference between running on a treadmill
and running outdoors? I want to begin training for a
marathon this summer but I'll also be doing manual labor
outdoors. If I could do my runs during the week indoors in
the air conditioning it would be much better.

Unless you point a really big fan at yourself, it's not
going to feel much cooler on the treadmill. Not only are
normal indoor temperatures (70 or so) fairly warm for
running, the lack of airflow makes for poor cooling, and
drenched clothes. Great if you want to prepare for hot
weather, but not a very effective way to avoid the heat.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

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Christine Clark did much (not all) of her training for the
US Olympic trials in 2000 on a treadmill for time
management issues.

And--I don't know if it was her intention--for specificity.
She was the athlete best prepared for the warm Trials race
in South Carolina, even though she lives in Alaska.

Matthew

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BX9802 wrote:

Christine Clark did much (not all) of her training for the
US Olympic trials in 2000 on a treadmill for time
management issues.

And--I don't know if it was her intention--for
specificity. She was the athlete best prepared for the
warm Trials race in South Carolina, even though she lives
in Alaska.

Right. That's why I left my brief comment at "time
management" although using the tm to get a higher quality
workouts than icy streets provide was certainly an intention
based on what I've read. I think the heat adaptation was a
fortunate by-product.

Neither the tm nor icy streets are particularly "specific"
for footing in SC in February, but the tm temperatures were
a lot more specific than Alaskan winter.

Dot

--
"Success is different things to different people" -Bernd
Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

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BX9802 wrote:

Christine Clark did much (not all) of her training for the
US Olympic trials in 2000 on a treadmill for time
management issues.

And--I don't know if it was her intention--for
specificity. She was the athlete best prepared for the
warm Trials race in South Carolina, even though she lives
in Alaska.

Right. That's why I left my brief comment at "time
management" although using the tm to get a higher quality
workouts than icy streets provide was certainly an intention
based on what I've read. I think the heat adaptation was a
fortunate by-product.

Neither the tm nor icy streets are particularly "specific"
for footing in SC in February, but the tm temperatures were
a lot more specific than Alaskan winter.

Dot

--
"Success is different things to different people" -Bernd
Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: In article <[email hidden]>,
: BX9802 wrote:
: > Other than weather and other outdoor elements, is there
: > really any main difference between running on a
: > treadmill and running outdoors? I want
to
: > begin training for a marathon this summer but I'll also
: > be doing manual
labor
: > outdoors. If I could do my runs during the week indoors
: > in the air conditioning it would be much better.
:
: Unless you point a really big fan at yourself, it's not
: going to feel much cooler on the treadmill. Not only are
: normal indoor temperatures (70 or
so)
: fairly warm for running, the lack of airflow makes for
: poor cooling, and drenched clothes. Great if you want to
: prepare for hot weather, but not a
very
: effective way to avoid the heat.

So true! I do most of my running on treadmills because of
arthritis in my knees. But I sweat like Rosie O'Donnell at
an NRA meeting in July. On longer runs- 10-12 miles or so-
my shoes are drenched and I'm dripping sweat off my clothes
at an unbelievable rate.

:
: Cheers,
: --
: Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

"But I sweat like Rosie O'Donnell at an NRA meeting in
July.."

Excellent!

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"BX9802" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> Other than weather and other outdoor elements, is
> there really any

main

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> difference between running on a treadmill and running
> outdoors? I

want

Quoted message said:

to

Quoted message said:

> begin training for a marathon this summer but I'll
> also be doing

manual

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

labor
> outdoors. If I could do my runs during the week
> indoors in the air conditioning it would be much
> better. I was still planning on doing

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

long
> runs outdoors. Would there be a problem with this?

Others may say it's a problem, but I don't. Treadmills
are more than close enough to actual running that you
will clearly benefit. I have friends that are great
runners that do nothing but stationary bike and
elliptical machines, then race very good times. There's
a lot to be said for simply getting your heart rate in
the right zone for the right amount of time every day,
regardless of how it's achieved.

The above examples are definitely exceptions. Specificity,
specificity, specificity. The mode of exercise does matter
when it comes

to

Quoted message said:

performance issues.

I agree, but think this is more true when dealing with
elite/very competitive athletes. For the average runner who
doesn't log a lot of miles, a strong cross-training program
is a help rather than a hindrance.

One year I trained all summer long on the bike only, riding
every day, and doing hill intervals on the bike 2 times a
week (5-7 x 1k hill in about 4 mins @ 105%LT with 2 min rest
down) . As the fall began I was able to start running and my
fitness transported directly into my running. I posted some
very good personal orienteering results that season. In the
hot summer months I find biking much more enjoyable than
running, so some years I've ended up cycling only for a few
months. It did take about 6 weeks to get my legs used to
running again, but I felt fantastic that year.

- Tony

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cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see putting other people
down constantly."

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"SwStudio" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
I agree, but think this is more true when dealing with
elite/very competitive athletes. For the average runner
who doesn't log a lot of miles, a strong cross-training
program is a help rather than a hindrance.

One year I trained all summer long on the bike only,
riding every day, and doing hill intervals on the bike 2
times a week (5-7 x 1k hill in about 4 mins @ 105%LT with
2 min rest down) . As the fall began I was able to

start

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running and my fitness transported directly into my
running. I posted

some

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very good personal orienteering results that season. In
the hot summer months I find biking much more enjoyable
than running, so some years I've ended up cycling only for
a few months. It did take about 6 weeks to get

my

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legs used to running again, but I felt fantastic
that year.

- Tony

Yep - I think a lot of people don't like the idea that one
can become a fit, competitive runner with significant cross-
training, If you are prone to injury it's often the best
choice. I'm not saying it's better than just running
(obviously), but in many "real word, real people"
situations, it's a better plan to get you there faster
without injury or burnout.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see putting other people
down constantly."