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  1. On Tue, 18 May 2004 08:35:07 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>
    wrote (more or less):

    Quoted message said:

    in message
    <[email hidden]>,
    Gawnsoft ([email hidden]-

    spam.net') said:

    I'm going to drive this weekend! (Fourth car hire of
    the year)

    Mind you, I am going to drive to Millport for a families'
    cycling weekend holiday on Cumbrae...

    Say 'Hi' to Sandy.

    I'm rather expecting to say 'Hi Sandy can I have some bikes
    and a kiddy seat?' :-)

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  2. On Tue, 18 May 2004 08:35:07 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>
    wrote (more or less):

    Quoted message said:

    in message
    <[email hidden]>,
    Gawnsoft ([email hidden]-

    spam.net') said:

    I'm going to drive this weekend! (Fourth car hire of
    the year)

    Mind you, I am going to drive to Millport for a families'
    cycling weekend holiday on Cumbrae...

    Say 'Hi' to Sandy.

    I'm rather expecting to say 'Hi Sandy can I have some bikes
    and a kiddy seat?' :-)

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  3. Arthur Clune said:

    Pyromancer <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : And that makes even less sense - if it's quicker to
    : walk than drive, how does your wife driving them avoid
    : being late?

    You're missing the pun. Go back and read David's post
    again....

    That was hardly a pun and certainly doesn't count as humour.
    The sun is evidently addling people's minds. ;-)

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  4. Arthur Clune said:

    Pyromancer <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : And that makes even less sense - if it's quicker to
    : walk than drive, how does your wife driving them avoid
    : being late?

    You're missing the pun. Go back and read David's post
    again....

    That was hardly a pun and certainly doesn't count as humour.
    The sun is evidently addling people's minds. ;-)

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  5. On Tue, 18 May 2004 12:46:27 +0100, David Martin
    <[email hidden]> wrote (more or less):

    Quoted message said:

    They already are. Risk homeostasis in action. I need a
    clock that runs with a gaussian accuracy so you know
    that it is broadly the right time but never exactly what
    time it is.

    That's pretty much what I attempt to do.

    I set them all to about 7 minutes fast, in one fell swoop.

    I don't check how close to right they are, and then I amend
    them all in one fell swoop again about three months later.

    (Being careful not to notice which ones are slower time
    after time, which ones are faster.)

    So I never know for sure if they're fast or slow or about
    right, and they all disagree with each other...

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  6. Gawnsoft said:

    I set them all to about 7 minutes fast, in one fell swoop.

    I don't check how close to right they are, and then I
    amend them all in one fell swoop again about three
    months later.

    (Being careful not to notice which ones are slower time
    after time, which ones are faster.)

    So I never know for sure if they're fast or slow or about
    right, and they all disagree with each other...

    My parents' house is an interesting place for time. Mum is
    congenitally late, and knowing this has set the clocks fast
    to get her going sooner, but the trick is that they're
    progressively faster the further you get from the front
    door! But... she knows more or less how fast they all are
    and rather undermines the whole exercise by taking that into
    account when getting ready to go anywhere, so remaining
    congenitally late, but the effect on anyone else is they
    never have any idea what the time is. I think the only safe
    clock in the place is on the VCR...

    Pete.
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  7. Tony Raven said:


    "Daniel Barlow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Among the other fruits in the supermarket near my office
    are apples from the USA and pears from New Zealand.
    Perhaps the additional transport costs could be reduced
    by sourcing these items somewhere /closer/?

    We could go back to the days I still remember where you
    could only get apples and pears in season. International
    shipping means we can now enjoy them and lots of other
    foods year round.

    But we don't enjoy them; for two reasons.

    Firstly the imported stuff is pallid and tasteless. I
    assume this is because it is grown and shipped for a
    diverse market and varieties are selected for the lowest
    common denominator taste.

    Secondly, the endless choice means there is no variety. If
    you can have strawberries in December, they are no longer an
    unfamiliar but remembered flavour in June.

  8. Tony Raven said:


    "Daniel Barlow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Among the other fruits in the supermarket near my office
    are apples from the USA and pears from New Zealand.
    Perhaps the additional transport costs could be reduced
    by sourcing these items somewhere /closer/?

    We could go back to the days I still remember where you
    could only get apples and pears in season. International
    shipping means we can now enjoy them and lots of other
    foods year round.

    But we don't enjoy them; for two reasons.

    Firstly the imported stuff is pallid and tasteless. I
    assume this is because it is grown and shipped for a
    diverse market and varieties are selected for the lowest
    common denominator taste.

    Secondly, the endless choice means there is no variety. If
    you can have strawberries in December, they are no longer an
    unfamiliar but remembered flavour in June.

  9. David Martin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    On 18/5/04 7:33 am, in article
    [email hidden], "MartinM"

    Quoted message said:

    Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<80pnn1-

    Quoted message said:

    ...and they taste of nothing. If you're going to have
    flavourless food, there's no need to import it from the
    other end of the earth.

    Remember though that before WW2 and U boat attacks on
    cargo ships, we imported much more of our produce from
    abroad (OK we had an empire then).


    Very few things. You forget the kitchen garden and
    village economy. Most of the food produced was invisible
    in the economic market as people did grow a lot more of
    their own.

    Quoted message said:

    Dig for Victory turned us into a nation of farmers, and
    look where we are now! Home grown is not necessarily
    most efficient or even best quality.

    It may not be as efficient but you get the benefit of
    reduced cost (labour costs virtually nothing), improved
    flavour, better choice of varieties (no one grows my
    favourite apple commercially), and a great deal of
    satisfaction.

    I have no problem at all with allotments/back garden
    produce, they are a very good thing, I wish I had the
    time/space to run one.

  10. Tim Hall said:


    There's some in Crawley too. "Reduce Pollution" it says,
    and a cartoon car belching fumes. I keep meaning to
    complete the slogan with a well placed "get on yer bike"

    I remember seeing a car once with a switch that you pressed
    to turn off the engine when stopped, such that you could
    restart it by lightly pressing the accelerator. It was
    intended to be used at junctions.

    How long do you have to be idling for to use the amount of
    fuel required to start the engine? I suppose it depends a
    lot on the engine itself, and it helps perhaps that its
    still warm to some extent. For the system above to be
    effective, you'd have to expect the engine to start quickly
    first time.

    - Richard

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  11. Quoted message said:

    But we don't enjoy them; for two reasons.

    Firstly the imported stuff is pallid and tasteless. I
    assume this is because it is grown and shipped for a
    diverse market and varieties are selected for the lowest
    common denominator taste.

    I think its because they select them primarily for the
    ability to survive the journey over here without
    spoiling/looking bad, and then select for taste. Kind of
    makes sense - mouldy strawberries don't taste good however
    delicious they were when they were first picked, and crappy
    foreign ones taste just the same as gorgeous English ones
    when you chuck 'em in a trifle.

    I'd be interested to know whether we send strawberries to
    foreign parts, and if they have nice domestic varieties that
    are superior to our exported ones.

  12. Not Responding said:


    Firstly the imported stuff is pallid and tasteless. I
    assume this is because it is grown and shipped for a
    diverse market and varieties are selected for the lowest
    common denominator taste.

    I think it's more that they're selected to look consistent
    and to have a long shelf life.

    R.

  13. Mark Thompson said:

    I'd be interested to know whether we send strawberries to
    foreign parts, and if they have nice domestic varieties
    that are superior to our exported ones.

    Not found an English strawberry to match Wépion ones from
    Belgium, but have seen neither English ones in Belgium nor
    Belgian ones here.

    RH

  14. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'd be interested to know whether we send strawberries to
    foreign parts, and if they have nice domestic varieties
    that are superior to our exported ones.

    Not found an English strawberry to match Wépion ones from
    Belgium, but have seen neither English ones in Belgium nor
    Belgian ones here.

    Having picked strawberries for a job last summer, I can
    reveal that you need a good eye and a little experience to
    select the most gorgeous tasting strawberry. Most are so-so,
    but when you find a good one it's *delicious*.

  15. David Hansen [email hidden] opined the
    following...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I believe that the fuel should be cheaper for trucks and
    more expensive for cars. The majority of Europe agrees
    with this and discounts diesel relative to petrol.

    They also have a range of other taxes on lorries, which
    those making spurious comparisons tend to neglect to
    mention.

    I believe that they also make better use of those funny
    metal rods that connect places... er... rail. That's it.

    Jon

  16. gavin said:

    I believe that the fuel should be cheaper for trucks and
    more expensive for cars. The majority of Europe agrees
    with this and discounts diesel relative to petrol.

    The majority of Europe agrees with this to the extent that
    in many countries, diesel motorcars outsell petrol ones by
    about two to one...

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