MLMs just one more time

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Some weeks ago some MLMer came to our house to "introduce
us to a business opportunity". His business was Reliv, an
all-in-one nutritional supplement.

He said that he was earning $8000 per month on his
business.

He said that he was not a salesman.

Of course he isn't. He is an "introducer". You could also
call a 'pimp' or a 'madam' an "introducer."

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These two statements should make alarms go off in
your head, and they illustrate one of the things
wrong with MLMs.

This is an ever growing list. MLMers have to learn, what
took you just a few minutes, the hard way.

The products turned out

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to be utterly devoid of any fatty acids whatsoever. It was
a crippled supplement. I didn't tell him.

You were WRONG. You let this poor deluded soul leave your
home not any wiser.

I didn't tell him because he has a

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desperately intense vested interest in selling Reliv and
getting me to sign up as a dealer under him.

That is part of the definition of MLMer.

He couldn't just go somewhere else if

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the product turned out to be bad. If he were a real
salesman, then, say he was selling Chevrolets and decided
that Chevys sucked. He could just go over to the Toyota
dealership and fill out an application for a job. Or
perhaps he just became tired of selling cars, he could
apply to sell furniture. But as a non-salesman making a
really large monthly income, he is enslaved to his
product.

Of course, he gave you his 2003 tax return to show how
much he made.

And no

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matter how bad he may discover it is, he ain't going
anywhere. This also contributes to the dishonesty.
Reliv has him by the balls. He worships Reliv. If I
tried to tell him that his product sucked (which in my
opinion it does), he would never believe me. His
critical faculties work for Reliv; his critical
thinking is enslaved to Reliv.

You would almost think that he is a Satan worshipper.

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Some months ago I mentioned another problem with MLMs. The
huge number of people between the manufacturer and the
customer. With normal selling schemes, the distance from
the manufacturer is perhaps 3 people. With MLMs, it can be
as much as 20 people or more. This compounds the tendency
toward dishonesty.

Yep. Most MLM companies play fast and loose with the facts,
and, their "distributors" (I won't continue the 'pimp'
analogy, but I am sure you get the point) have to be even
more flexible.

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MLMs may be good for the company. And they may be OK for
some customers. But they completely and utterly suck for
almost all distributors, except a very, very few. MLMs are
for the most part pyramid schemes in disguise.

Absolute agreement.

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Don't abandon your critical thinking skills. Don't be a
mush-head. The problem with debunkers is that they limit
themselves to critical thinking. This is no reason to fly
to the opposite extreme and abandon your critical thinking
skills. Don't be a mush-head. Steer clear of MLMs. Even an
herb ninny like me has the wisdom from hard experience to
know that MLMs are for the most part traps.

Debunkers often are very critical of MLM schemes. AFAIAC, if
something is being sold in an MLM scheme, it is a tip-off
that the claims must be looked at with a microscope,
electron, not Rife.

MLM marketing offers people who don't possess the skills to
start a business, the chance to think they have a business.
The MLM marketing model is based on each new signed up
distributor contributing the sale of 2.5 units of the
product per person before they discover that they aren't
consultants and they aren't salespeople and must abandon
their plan.

The sad part is that there are some exceptionally good
products that are being presented by this marketing
approach.

"DappleAndWasser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Some weeks ago some MLMer came to our house to "introduce
us to a business opportunity". His business was Reliv, an
all-in-one nutritional supplement.

He said that he was earning $8000 per month on his
business.

He said that he was not a salesman.

These two statements should make alarms go off in your
head, and they illustrate one of the things wrong with
MLMs. The products turned out to be utterly devoid of any
fatty acids whatsoever. It was a crippled supplement. I
didn't tell him. I didn't tell him because he has a
desperately intense vested interest in selling Reliv and
getting me to sign up as a dealer under him. He couldn't
just go somewhere else if the product turned out to be
bad. If he were a real salesman, then, say he was selling
Chevrolets and decided that Chevys sucked. He could just
go over to the Toyota dealership and fill out an
application for a job. Or perhaps he just became tired of
selling cars, he could apply to sell furniture. But as a
non-salesman making a really large monthly income, he is
enslaved to his product. And no matter how bad he may
discover it is, he ain't going anywhere. This also
contributes to the dishonesty. Reliv has him by the balls.
He worships Reliv. If I tried to tell him that his product
sucked (which in my opinion it does), he would never
believe me. His critical faculties work for Reliv; his
critical thinking is enslaved to Reliv.

Some months ago I mentioned another problem with MLMs. The
huge number of people between the manufacturer and the
customer. With normal selling schemes, the distance from
the manufacturer is perhaps 3 people. With MLMs, it can be
as much as 20 people or more. This compounds the tendency
toward dishonesty.

MLMs may be good for the company. And they may be OK for
some customers. But they completely and utterly suck for
almost all distributors, except a very, very few. MLMs are
for the most part pyramid schemes in disguise.

Don't abandon your critical thinking skills. Don't be a
mush-head. The problem with debunkers is that they limit
themselves to critical thinking. This is no reason to fly
to the opposite extreme and abandon your critical thinking
skills. Don't be a mush-head. Steer clear of MLMs. Even an
herb ninny like me has the wisdom from hard experience to
know that MLMs are for the most part traps.

In article <[email hidden]>,

DappleAndWasser said:

MLMs may be good for the company. And they may be OK for
some customers. But they completely and utterly suck for
almost all distributors, except a very, very few. MLMs are
for the most part pyramid schemes in disguise.

Not to mention a good way to alienate your family and soon-to-be-
former friends.

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Don't abandon your critical thinking skills. Don't be a mush-
head. The problem with debunkers is that they limit
themselves to critical thinking.

Now, now. Debunkers can't debunk anything unless it's bunk
to start with. Besides, what's wrong with critical thinking?
(I mean, as long as you recognize its limitations.)

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This is no reason to fly to the opposite extreme and
abandon your critical thinking skills. Don't be a mush-
head. Steer clear of MLMs. Even an herb ninny like me has
the wisdom from hard experience to know that MLMs are for
the most part traps.

Yep. But you're thinking more clearly about this than many
people ever will, alas.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

I find myself agreeing with both Roger Bird and Dave
Wickware on the same day. Two weeks ago I caught myself
agreeing with Ralph Moss. I must check my medication.

Dave Wickware said:

MLM marketing offers people who don't possess the skills to
start a business, the chance to think they have a business.
The MLM marketing model is based on each new signed up
distributor contributing the sale of 2.5 units of the
product per person before they discover that they aren't
consultants and they aren't salespeople and must abandon
their plan.

The sad part is that there are some exceptionally good
products that are being presented by this marketing
approach.

"DappleAndWasser" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message
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Quoted message said:

Some weeks ago some MLMer came to our house to "introduce
us to a business opportunity". His business was Reliv, an
all-in-one nutritional supplement.

He said that he was earning $8000 per month on his
business.

He said that he was not a salesman.

These two statements should make alarms go off in your
head, and they illustrate one of the things wrong with
MLMs. The products turned out to be utterly devoid of any
fatty acids whatsoever. It was a crippled supplement. I
didn't tell him. I didn't tell him because he has a
desperately intense vested interest in selling Reliv and
getting me to sign up as a dealer under him. He couldn't
just go somewhere else if the product turned out to be
bad. If he were a real salesman, then, say he was selling
Chevrolets and decided that Chevys sucked. He could just
go over to the Toyota dealership and fill out an
application for a job. Or perhaps he just became tired of
selling cars, he could apply to sell furniture. But as a
non-salesman making a really large monthly income, he is
enslaved to his product. And no matter how bad he may
discover it is, he ain't going anywhere. This also
contributes to the dishonesty. Reliv has him by the
balls. He worships Reliv. If I tried to tell him that his
product sucked (which in my opinion it does), he would
never believe me. His critical faculties work for Reliv;
his critical thinking is enslaved to Reliv.

Some months ago I mentioned another problem with MLMs.
The huge number of people between the manufacturer and
the customer. With normal selling schemes, the distance
from the manufacturer is perhaps 3 people. With MLMs, it
can be as much as 20 people or more. This compounds the
tendency toward dishonesty.

MLMs may be good for the company. And they may be OK for
some customers. But they completely and utterly suck for
almost all distributors, except a very, very few. MLMs
are for the most part pyramid schemes in disguise.

Don't abandon your critical thinking skills. Don't be a
mush-head. The problem with debunkers is that they limit
themselves to critical thinking. This is no reason to fly
to the opposite extreme and abandon your critical
thinking skills. Don't be a mush-head. Steer clear of
MLMs. Even an herb ninny like me has the wisdom from hard
experience to know that MLMs are for the most part traps.

--
Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project ratbags.comrsolesOpen ↗
The Green Light ratbags.comgreenlightOpen ↗
Quintessence of the Loon ratbags.comloonOpen ↗
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

"Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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MLM marketing offers people who don't possess the skills
to start a business, the chance to think they have a
business. The MLM marketing model is based on each new
signed up distributor contributing the sale of 2.5 units
of the product per person before they discover that they
aren't consultants and they aren't salespeople and must
abandon their plan.

Amazingly, Spammin' Dave gets one right. Sort of like the
1000 monkeys with typewriters writing Shakespeare story.

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The sad part is that there are some exceptionally good
products that are being presented by this marketing
approach.

Disagree wrt the health aspects of MLM. So far, I have yet
to see any health related product which is sold MLM that is
worth anything near the price.

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"DappleAndWasser" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message
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Quoted message said:

Some weeks ago some MLMer came to our house to
"introduce us to a business opportunity". His business
was Reliv, an all-in-one nutritional supplement.

He said that he was earning $8000 per month on his
business.

He said that he was not a salesman.

These two statements should make alarms go off in your
head, and they illustrate one of the things wrong with
MLMs. The products turned out to be utterly devoid of
any fatty acids whatsoever. It was a crippled
supplement. I didn't tell him. I didn't tell him because
he has a desperately intense vested interest in selling
Reliv and getting me to sign up as a dealer under him.
He couldn't just go somewhere else if the product turned
out to be bad. If he were a real salesman, then, say he
was selling Chevrolets and decided that Chevys sucked.
He could just go over to the Toyota dealership and fill
out an application for a job. Or perhaps he just became
tired of selling cars, he could apply to sell furniture.
But as a non-salesman making a really large monthly
income, he is enslaved to his product. And no matter how
bad he may discover it is, he ain't going anywhere. This
also contributes to the dishonesty. Reliv has him by the
balls. He worships Reliv. If I tried to tell him that
his product sucked (which in my opinion it does), he
would never believe me. His critical faculties work for
Reliv; his critical thinking is enslaved to Reliv.

Some months ago I mentioned another problem with MLMs.
The huge number of people between the manufacturer and
the customer. With normal selling schemes, the distance
from the manufacturer is perhaps 3 people. With MLMs, it
can be as much as 20 people or more. This compounds the
tendency toward dishonesty.

MLMs may be good for the company. And they may be OK for
some customers. But they completely and utterly suck for
almost all distributors, except a very, very few. MLMs
are for the most part pyramid schemes in disguise.

Don't abandon your critical thinking skills. Don't be a
mush-head. The problem with debunkers is that they limit
themselves to critical thinking. This is no reason to
fly to the opposite extreme and abandon your critical
thinking skills. Don't be a mush-head. Steer clear of
MLMs. Even an herb ninny like me has the wisdom from
hard experience to know that MLMs are for the most part
traps.

[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Now, now. Debunkers can't debunk anything unless it's bunk
to start with.

This is completely wrong. The very first scientific paper
ever written was by Isaac Newton and he was attacked by
Hook. Newton went into seclusion for 9 years and vowed to
never publish again because he could not stand the
contentiousness and putdowns of Hook. If it wasn't for the
gentle encouragement and financial assistance of Halley,
Newton may never have published his work on the motion of
orbiting bodies.

Debunking has been around since the beginning, and Newton's
story illustrates what is wrong with it. Many great ideas
have been suppressed because debunkers often use hostility
rather than reason and evidence.

"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 3, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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"Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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MLM marketing offers people who don't possess the skills
to start a business, the chance to think they have a
business. The MLM marketing model is based on each new
signed up distributor contributing the sale of 2.5 units
of the product per person before they discover that they
aren't consultants and they aren't salespeople and must
abandon their plan.

Amazingly, Spammin' Dave gets one right. Sort of like the
1000 monkeys

with

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typewriters writing Shakespeare story.

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The sad part is that there are some exceptionally good
products that are being presented by this marketing
approach.

Disagree wrt the health aspects of MLM. So far, I have yet
to see any

health

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related product which is sold MLM that is worth anything
near the price.

And, of course your opinion is that of a well studied expert
in the field of nutrition!!??

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"DappleAndWasser" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Some weeks ago some MLMer came to our house to
"introduce us to a business opportunity". His business
was Reliv, an all-in-one nutritional supplement.

He said that he was earning $8000 per month on his
business.

He said that he was not a salesman.

These two statements should make alarms go off in your
head, and they illustrate one of the things wrong with
MLMs. The products turned out to be utterly devoid of
any fatty acids whatsoever. It was a crippled
supplement. I didn't tell him. I didn't tell him
because he has a desperately intense vested interest
in selling Reliv and getting me to sign up as a dealer
under him. He couldn't just go somewhere else if the
product turned out to be bad. If he were a real
salesman, then, say he was selling Chevrolets and
decided that Chevys sucked. He could just go over to
the Toyota dealership and fill out an application for
a job. Or perhaps he just became tired of selling
cars, he could apply to sell furniture. But as a non-
salesman making a really large monthly income, he is
enslaved to his product. And no matter how bad he may
discover it is, he ain't going anywhere. This also
contributes to the dishonesty. Reliv has him by the
balls. He worships Reliv. If I tried to tell him that
his product sucked (which in my opinion it does), he
would never believe me. His critical faculties work
for Reliv; his critical thinking is enslaved to Reliv.

Some months ago I mentioned another problem with MLMs.
The huge number of people between the manufacturer and
the customer. With normal selling schemes, the
distance from the manufacturer is perhaps 3 people.
With MLMs, it can be as much as 20 people or more.
This compounds the tendency toward dishonesty.

MLMs may be good for the company. And they may be OK
for some customers. But they completely and utterly
suck for almost all distributors, except a very, very
few. MLMs are for the most part pyramid schemes in
disguise.

Don't abandon your critical thinking skills. Don't be
a mush-head. The problem with debunkers is that they
limit themselves to critical thinking. This is no
reason to fly to the opposite extreme and abandon your
critical thinking skills. Don't be a mush-head. Steer
clear of MLMs. Even an herb ninny like me has the
wisdom from hard experience to know that MLMs are for
the most part traps.

"DappleAndWasser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message

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Now, now. Debunkers can't debunk anything unless it's
bunk to start with.

This is completely wrong.

Read carefully. A debunker removes bunk. If there is no bunk
to remove, then the person cannot be a debunker.

The very first scientific paper ever

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written was by Isaac Newton and he was attacked by Hook.
Newton went into seclusion for 9 years and vowed to never
publish again because he could not stand the
contentiousness and putdowns of Hook. If it wasn't for the
gentle encouragement and financial assistance of Halley,
Newton may never have published his work on the motion of
orbiting bodies.

Which would have resulted in the Moon falling from the sky?

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Debunking has been around since the beginning, and
Newton's story illustrates what is wrong with it. Many
great ideas have been suppressed because debunkers often
use hostility rather than reason and evidence.

"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 3, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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"Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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MLM marketing offers people who don't possess the skills
to start a business, the chance to think they have a
business. The MLM marketing model is based on each new
signed up distributor contributing the sale of 2.5 units
of the product per person before they discover that they
aren't consultants and they aren't salespeople and must
abandon their plan.

Amazingly, Spammin' Dave gets one right. Sort of like the
1000 monkeys with typewriters writing Shakespeare story.

Quoted message said:

The sad part is that there are some exceptionally good
products that are being presented by this marketing
approach.

Disagree wrt the health aspects of MLM. So far, I have yet
to see any health related product which is sold MLM that
is worth anything near the price.

Yeah, but Amway laundry soap is the bomb -- so says my wife.

Mark, MD

In article <[email hidden]>,

DappleAndWasser said:

[email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message
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Now, now. Debunkers can't debunk anything unless it's
bunk to start with.

This is completely wrong.

No, it's completely right. It's true by definition, for
pity's sake. You can attack, and even try to disprove,
something that's true (it happens in politics and in
court all the time), but you can't debunk something
unless it's bunk.

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Debunking has been around since the beginning, and Newton's
story illustrates what is wrong with it. Many great ideas
have been suppressed because debunkers often use hostility
rather than reason and evidence.

Name a few that are still being suppressed.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 3, 2004" <M.a.r.k
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"Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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MLM marketing offers people who don't possess the
skills to start a business, the chance to think they
have a business. The MLM marketing model is based on
each new signed

up

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distributor contributing the sale of 2.5 units of the
product per

person

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before they discover that they aren't consultants and
they aren't salespeople and must abandon their plan.

Amazingly, Spammin' Dave gets one right. Sort of like
the 1000 monkeys

with

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typewriters writing Shakespeare story.

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The sad part is that there are some exceptionally good
products that

are

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being presented by this marketing approach.

Disagree wrt the health aspects of MLM. So far, I have
yet to see any

health

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related product which is sold MLM that is worth anything
near the price.

And, of course your opinion is that of a well studied
expert in the field

of

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nutrition!!??

My opinion is based on not seeing any independent proof of
the claims made by the MLMers. Lots of anecdotes (whcih can
be made up, just like Chuck's degrees). In fact, Anecdote
Writing is a required course at the P.T. Barnum School of
Internet Marketing and MLM Scamming.

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"DappleAndWasser" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> Some weeks ago some MLMer came to our house to
> "introduce us to a business opportunity". His
> business was Reliv, an all-in-one nutritional
> supplement.
>
> He said that he was earning $8000 per month on his
> business.
>
> He said that he was not a salesman.
>
> These two statements should make alarms go off in
> your head, and

they

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> illustrate one of the things wrong with MLMs. The
> products turned

out

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> to be utterly devoid of any fatty acids whatsoever.
> It was a

crippled

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> supplement. I didn't tell him. I didn't tell him
> because he has a desperately intense vested interest
> in selling Reliv and getting me

to

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> sign up as a dealer under him. He couldn't just go
> somewhere else

if

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> the product turned out to be bad. If he were a real
> salesman, then, say he was selling Chevrolets and
> decided that Chevys sucked. He could just go over to
> the Toyota dealership and fill out an application
> for a job. Or perhaps he just became tired of
> selling cars, he could apply to sell furniture. But
> as a non-salesman

making

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> a really large monthly income, he is enslaved to his
> product. And

no

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> matter how bad he may discover it is, he ain't going
> anywhere. This also contributes to the dishonesty.
> Reliv has him by the balls. He worships Reliv. If I
> tried to tell him that his product sucked

(which

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> in my opinion it does), he would never believe me.
> His critical faculties work for Reliv; his critical
> thinking is enslaved to

Reliv.

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>
> Some months ago I mentioned another problem with
> MLMs. The huge number of people between the
> manufacturer and the customer. With normal selling
> schemes, the distance from the manufacturer is

perhaps

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> 3 people. With MLMs, it can be as much as 20 people
> or more. This compounds the tendency toward
> dishonesty.
>
> MLMs may be good for the company. And they may be OK
> for some customers. But they completely and utterly
> suck for almost all distributors, except a very,
> very few. MLMs are for the most part pyramid schemes
> in disguise.
>
> Don't abandon your critical thinking skills. Don't
> be a mush-head. The problem with debunkers is that
> they limit themselves to critical thinking. This is
> no reason to fly to the opposite extreme and abandon
> your critical thinking skills. Don't be a mush-head.
> Steer clear of MLMs. Even an herb ninny like me has
> the wisdom from hard experience to know that MLMs
> are for the most part traps.

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MLM marketing offers people who don't possess the
skills to start a business, the chance to think they
have a business. The MLM marketing model is based on
each new signed

up

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distributor contributing the sale of 2.5 units of the
product per

person

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before they discover that they aren't consultants and
they aren't salespeople and must abandon their plan.

Amazingly, Spammin' Dave gets one right. Sort of like
the 1000 monkeys

with

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typewriters writing Shakespeare story.

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The sad part is that there are some exceptionally good
products that

are

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being presented by this marketing approach.

Disagree wrt the health aspects of MLM. So far, I have
yet to see any

health

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related product which is sold MLM that is worth anything
near the price.

Yeah, but Amway laundry soap is the bomb -- so says
my wife.

My late aunt an uncle swore by it..and distributed it. They
both used their health products, too. My uncle died of
pancreatic cancer 23 days after diagnosis, and my aunt had
severe ASHD and died of cardiac myopathy due to multiple
infarcts over the years.

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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 3, 2004" <M.a.r.k
P.r.o.b.e.r.t

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"Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> MLM marketing offers people who don't possess the
> skills to start a business, the chance to think they
> have a business. The MLM marketing model is based on
> each new signed

up

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> distributor contributing the sale of 2.5 units of
> the product per

person

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> before they discover that they aren't consultants
> and they aren't salespeople and must abandon their
> plan.

Amazingly, Spammin' Dave gets one right. Sort of like
the 1000 monkeys

with

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typewriters writing Shakespeare story.

> The sad part is that there are some exceptionally
> good products that

are

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> being presented by this marketing approach.

Disagree wrt the health aspects of MLM. So far, I have
yet to see any

health

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related product which is sold MLM that is worth
anything near the

price.

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Yeah, but Amway laundry soap is the bomb -- so says
my wife.

My late aunt an uncle swore by it..and distributed it.
They both used

their

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health products, too. My uncle died of pancreatic cancer
23 days after diagnosis, and my aunt had severe ASHD and
died of cardiac myopathy due to multiple infarcts over
the years.

Awww, now we see where you gained your expertise on
nutritional supplements and MLM doctrine!

"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 3, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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completely wrong.

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Read carefully. A debunker removes bunk. If there is no
bunk to remove, then the person cannot be a debunker.

Hook was a debunker. The people that slammed Wagner (sp?),
the continental drift theorist, for ***60*** years were
debunkers. There are critical thinkers, and then there are
debunkers. Debunkers use hostility, put-downs, personal
attacks, etc.

Some day, someone just like me will be saying exactly the
same thing about some people who defend the Clovis barrier
in North American archeology. There may even be some people
just like me saying exactly the same thing about some people
who try to debunk the hypothetical aquatic origin of human
beings. It is total bunk that debunkers need bunk. That is
equivalent to saying that UFOlogist need UFOs to promote
their ideas. I know that it may be difficult for you to
understand, but it is possible, just possible that a
debunker may be wrong. What a concept!!!!!!!!!

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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 3, 2004" <M.a.r.k
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"Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 3, 2004" <M.a.r.k
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> "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> message -"]news:[email hidden]-
> obal.com...
> > MLM marketing offers people who don't possess the
> > skills to start

a

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> > business, the chance to think they have a
> > business. The MLM marketing model is based on each
> > new

signed

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up

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> > distributor contributing the sale of 2.5 units of
> > the product per

person

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> > before they discover that they aren't consultants
> > and they aren't salespeople and must abandon their
> > plan.
>
> Amazingly, Spammin' Dave gets one right. Sort of
> like the 1000

monkeys

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with

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> typewriters writing Shakespeare story.
>
> > The sad part is that there are some exceptionally
> > good products

that

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are

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> > being presented by this marketing approach.
>
> Disagree wrt the health aspects of MLM. So far, I
> have yet to see

any

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health

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> related product which is sold MLM that is worth
> anything near the

price.

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Yeah, but Amway laundry soap is the bomb -- so says my
wife.

My late aunt an uncle swore by it..and distributed it.
They both used

their

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health products, too. My uncle died of pancreatic cancer
23 days after diagnosis, and my aunt had severe ASHD and
died of cardiac myopathy due

to

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multiple infarcts over the years.

Awww, now we see where you gained your expertise on
nutritional

supplements

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and MLM doctrine!

Those were just mere factoids in a compendium of information
upon which I base my knowledge.

However, I have such an open mind that if you post just a
few real studies that show supplementation of an
otherwise healthy person is required, I would agree to
change my opinion.

You should note, however, that in my career, I have
witnessed first hand severe famines, droughts, and the
pestilence of the aftermath of war. I have seen people with
the myriad of sicknesses that we westerners are blessed with
not having to deal with. I have seen people die from plague.

I know the difference between true 'bad health' and some
minor problems that a mere change in diet can affect.