OK, so Lance had the best time on the rolling part at the bottom of the Ventoux TT, helped by his TT bars. But obviously the TT bars were of no use once things got steep, so I was just wondering what the rules would say about removing and discarding the TT bars once they're no longer needed? Even on superlight clip-ons, I still can't see them weighing less than half a pound. Of course, the issue's moot if his bike is already down to the legal weight limit *with* the bars intact.
--Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com IMBA, BikesBelong, NBDA member
OK, so Lance had the best time on the rolling part at the bottom of the Ventoux TT, helped by his TT bars. But obviously the TT bars were of no use once things got steep, so I was just wondering what the rules would say about removing and discarding the TT bars once they're no longer needed? Even on superlight clip-ons, I still can't see them weighing less than half a pound. Of course, the issue's moot if his bike is already down to the legal weight limit *with* the bars intact.
--Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com IMBA, BikesBelong, NBDA member
Wasn't there some talk about whether he would actually switch bikes when he did the TT to Chamrousse in the Tour 2001? There was a "rolling start" for 13K or so before the percentages become serious.
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OK, so Lance had the best time on the rolling part at the bottom of the Ventoux TT, helped by his TT bars. But obviously the TT bars were of no
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once things got steep, so I was just wondering what the rules would say about removing and discarding the TT bars once they're no longer needed? Even on superlight clip- ons, I still can't see them weighing less than
half
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a pound. Of course, the issue's moot if his bike is already down to the legal weight limit *with* the bars intact.
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OK, so Lance had the best time on the rolling part at the bottom of the Ventoux TT, helped by his TT bars. But obviously the TT bars were of no
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once things got steep, so I was just wondering what the rules would say about removing and discarding the TT bars once they're no longer needed? Even on superlight clip-ons, I still can't see them weighing less than
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a pound. Of course, the issue's moot if his bike is already down to the legal weight limit *with* the bars intact.
especially the second, it's clear he has an empty aerobar clamp. I couldn't find any pictures of his bike with the aerobar on, though. Not sure if that clamp is something the rider could easily loosen while riding a TT.
Couldn't find anything in the UCI rules against discarding parts of you bike, suprisingly, but there are rules against littering and throwing stuff in the middle of the road.
Couldn't find anything in the UCI rules against discarding parts of you bike, suprisingly, but there are rules against littering and throwing stuff in the middle of the road.
especially the second, it's clear he has an empty aerobar clamp. I couldn't find any pictures of his bike with the aerobar on, though. Not sure if that clamp is something the rider could easily loosen while riding a TT.
Couldn't find anything in the UCI rules against discarding parts of you bike, suprisingly, but there are rules against littering and throwing stuff in the middle of the road.
Yup - could've found a better pic I guess, but that's a Deda ClipOne with the extension tossed. No way did they leave the clamp on for Mt. Ventoux if he didn't use the extension earlier. I saw that earlier and wondered how loose he'd have to leave it to get it off en route - seems like a QR wouldn't have been all that hard to improvise if they'd wanted to. But those things aren't that light, whereas the tiny little carbon extension Armstrong was using probably weren't heavy enough to bother with dumping. Plus, I expect that bike was on the weight limit with the aero bars on it anyway.
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OK, so Lance had the best time on the rolling part at the bottom of the Ventoux TT, helped by his TT bars. But obviously the TT bars were of no
use
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once things got steep, so I was just wondering what the rules would say about removing and discarding the TT bars once they're no longer needed? Even on superlight clip- ons, I still can't see them weighing less than
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a pound.
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Of course, the issue's moot if his bike is already down to the legal weight limit *with* the bars intact.
Mike, I had thought that the new rules regarding weight limits would have caused teams to come up with super light bike that come in under a kilo below the minimums so that they could then add any type of equipment that would help for each event. I am really surprised this has not happened yet.
BTW, the comment on the bars gets filed in the same place as last year's comment about the rubbing brakes, etc.
especially the second, it's clear he has an empty aerobar clamp. I couldn't find any pictures of his bike with the aerobar on, though. Not sure if that clamp is something the rider could easily loosen while riding a TT.
I think that is how he removed it. There is no way to remove a clamp without like that tools, but maybe they set the bar so that he could pull it out when he wanted to discard it? That is how it looks to me. There is no other reason to have that clamp there. Are you going to tell me a top mechanic would leave a clamp on a handle bar that has no fuction, and in an uphill ITT? No way.
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Couldn't find anything in the UCI rules against discarding parts of you bike, suprisingly, but there are rules against littering and throwing stuff in the middle of the road.
Its all moot, because the bars didn't cost him 2 min. He went slower than the others, period. I think making bike changes is stupid. I can't see how you would save enough time over 10-20 k to warrant the time loss for switching. Sometimes these pro guys are so anal it makes me look normal, and I'm pretty obsessive compulsive. Like Lance removing a bike computer.
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How so? Hamilton still has an aerobar on his bike, albeit a single tube pointing forward, not a U shaped one.
I think you're seeing the frame top tube. In these pics:
especially the second, it's clear he has an empty aerobar clamp. I couldn't find any pictures of his bike with the aerobar on, though. Not sure if that clamp is something the rider could easily loosen while riding a TT.
Couldn't find anything in the UCI rules against discarding parts of you bike, suprisingly, but there are rules against littering and throwing stuff in the middle of the road.
Yup - could've found a better pic I guess, but that's a Deda ClipOne with the extension tossed. No way did they leave the clamp on for Mt. Ventoux if he didn't use the extension earlier. I saw that earlier and wondered how loose he'd have to leave it to get it off en route - seems like a QR wouldn't have been all that hard to improvise if they'd wanted to. But those things aren't that light, whereas the tiny little carbon extension Armstrong was using probably weren't heavy enough to bother with dumping. Plus, I expect that bike was on the weight limit with the aero bars on it anyway.
BTW, the comment on the bars gets filed in the same place as last year's comment about the rubbing brakes, etc.
You believe that, with a team that rides all around him, protecting him from the riff-raff, that nobody on his team would notice the sound a rubbing brake makes? Call me a disbeliever... I'm sure that his brake might have been rubbing at some point, but for the entire race and nobody notices?
But how does this get tied into comments on the bars?
--Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com IMBA, BikesBelong, NBDA member
