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  1. JohnB said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Snipping edges of celophane in advance makes it easy to
    > peel it off afterwards.

    I never bother, as trying to remove the cellophane may
    lift the edge of the patch.

    It's much, much less of an issue when snipped. That's
    the point.

    I can't really see that. If you peel the cellophane
    off the patch, snipped or not it will exert pressure
    on the edge.

    I think it's because less material is being pulled at one
    time, plus the fact that you can press half the patch down
    while removing celophane from the other half.

    Note: obviously this tip is for the ones without
    perforations accross the patches.

    Quoted message said:

    But I'll try your suggestion next time I have a puncture
    to mend at home. Later rather than sooner, I hope.

    Quoted message said:

    A tiny bit of the edge may start to lift sometimes but
    that's easily pressed back down again.

    That's what I don't like that happening *at all*.

    It often doesn't happen at all when the patch is well stuck
    to begin with.

    I don't like the idea of the backing being left on, even if
    there's no rational reason.

    ~PB

  2. Pete Biggs said:
    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    A tiny bit of the edge may start to lift sometimes but
    that's easily pressed back down again.

    That's what I don't like that happening *at all*.

    I don't like the idea of the backing being left on, even
    if there's no rational reason.

    Added revolving weight. Makes you fitter ;-)

    John B

  3. Pete Biggs said:

    JohnB wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That's what I don't like that happening *at all*.

    Quoted message said:

    It often doesn't happen at all when the patch is well
    stuck to begin with.

    I don't like the idea of the backing being left on, even
    if there's no rational reason.

    Here's a semi-rational reason:

    The only time in many years I've had a Rema patch fail was
    when I left the cellophane on it. As I recall, there was a
    wrinkle with a split in the middle of the patch. I don't
    *know* that this was caused by leaving the cellophane on,
    but it kind of makes sense that non- stretchable cellophane
    could cause the stretchy rubber to wrinkle up. Since then I
    always remove the cellophane.

    --
    Ray Heindl (remove the Xs to reply to: [email hidden])

  4. [email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I never bother, as trying to remove the cellophane may
    lift the edge of the patch.

    That's why the cellophane is split in the middle... so you
    can peel it from inside to outside of the patch periphery
    with no lift-off. This is done by manually stretching the
    tube and patch so the cellophane breaks across its barely
    visible perforations and lifts in the middle. Cellophane
    is not stretchable and should be removed to allow the
    patch to elastically cover the puncture area.

    Aluminum foil is used to keep the 'red' side from losing
    its adhesive quality through evaporation. Cellophane does
    likewise but being less impervious, is on the back side of
    the patch where it is good enough. The foil is easily
    removed by bending down a corner by which the cellophane
    remains flat and allows pulling the patch from the foil.
    Do not cut off the corners because they are there to lift
    the patch.

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

    Hi, Park tells you to leave the cellophane on, take a look:
    parktool.comFAQGP2.shtml See the
    section that has the heading - Patching an inner tube using
    the VP-1 Vulcanizing Patch Kit

    I had removed the cellophane the first time I used them and
    then read the instructions. What do you think?

    Life is Good! Jeff

  5. Jeff Starr said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I never bother, as trying to remove the cellophane may
    lift the edge of the patch.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That's why the cellophane is split in the middle... so
    you can peel it from inside to outside of the patch
    periphery with no lift-off. This is done by manually
    stretching the tube and patch so the cellophane breaks
    across its barely visible perforations and lifts in the
    middle. Cellophane is not stretchable and should be
    removed to allow the patch to elastically cover the
    puncture area.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Aluminum foil is used to keep the 'red' side from losing
    its adhesive quality through evaporation. Cellophane does
    likewise but being less impervious, is on the back side
    of the patch where it is good enough. The foil is easily
    removed by bending down a corner by which the cellophane
    remains flat and allows pulling the patch from the foil.
    Do not cut off the corners because they are there to lift
    the patch.

    Quoted message said:

    Hi, Park tells you to leave the cellophane on, take a
    look:

    parktool.comFAQGP2.shtml

    Quoted message said:

    See the section that has the heading - Patching an inner
    tube using the VP-1 Vulcanizing Patch Kit

    Well, that's because the cellophane on these patches is not
    split and pulling it off from the edge will lift the patch.
    Therefore, that has little to do with REMA patches, patches
    known as the best available.

    Quoted message said:

    I had removed the cellophane the first time I used them
    and then read the instructions. What do you think?

    I think I'll continue to use REMA patches and will remove
    the cellophane as REMA sees fit to do. If you don't, and
    must use the tube after patching, the patch cannot expand
    freely with the tube whereby the glue joint will be stressed
    as the tube expands to fill the tire volume (that is
    obviously greater than the tube or the tube would wrinkle on
    installation). REMA has been in this business for a long
    time and does a good job.

    You may have seen previous discussions on how to patch tubes
    here, in which it was proposed that if the patch peels off,
    then the glue was not sufficiently dry. You can try that,
    but even after five minutes of drying a patch can be pulled
    off easily by pulling the cellophane from one edge. That is
    why I recommend patching the punctured tube, using the spare
    tube that should be in the back-up kit, putting the freshly
    patched tube in the back-up kit and letting it cure.

    draco.acs.uci.edu8b.1.html
    draco.acs.uci.edu8b.11.html
    draco.acs.uci.edu8b.13.html

    That's enough for tires right now.

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

  6. Ray Heindl said:


    Pete Biggs said:

    JohnB wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That's what I don't like that happening *at all*.

    Quoted message said:

    It often doesn't happen at all when the patch is well
    stuck to begin with.

    I don't like the idea of the backing being left on, even
    if there's no rational reason.

    Here's a semi-rational reason:

    The only time in many years I've had a Rema patch fail was
    when I left the cellophane on it. As I recall, there was a
    wrinkle with a split in the middle of the patch. I don't
    *know* that this was caused by leaving the cellophane on,
    but it kind of makes sense that non- stretchable
    cellophane could cause the stretchy rubber to wrinkle up.
    Since then I always remove the cellophane.

    Could be. I've had a wrinkle too (quiet at the back), but
    put it down to inflating the tube before the patch has
    completely set, when I've been in a hurry. When I've removed
    tubes that have had the cellophane left on it has always
    deteriorated and gone brittle to such an extent that there
    are only a few crumbs left anyway.

    John B

  7. Phil Brown said:
    Quoted message said:

    Snipping edges of cellophane in advance makes it easy to
    peel it off afterwards.

    The cellophane has a split in the middle to allow easy
    removal. Phil Brown

    The snipping tip is for other brands of patches that don't
    have slips/perforations. It works.

    ~PB

  8. Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Ian G

    Batten (') said:


    So, the wiggle parcel arrived this morning, containing
    tubes, patches and CO2 cylinders. Which was nice, as it
    arrived as I was just waiting for my GPS box to lock,
    and I grabbed a tube, a cylinder and some patches from
    the box. Which was good, as I had a rear-wheel puncture
    on the Grand Union towpath. I could quickly stick a new
    tube in, blast it with CO2 and continue, with a patched
    tube, a tube needing patching, some patches, another CO2
    cylinder, a backup handpump and a fistful of patches in
    my bag.

    At lunchtime I repaired the punctured tube, and I'm a
    bit puzzled by the Tip Top F1 Patches
    (wiggle.co.ukwiggle.co.uk).

    They're black on one side, brown on the other, with the
    brown protrouding slightly. I used one brown to the
    tube, on the grounds that it made most sense to remove
    the (lightly adhereing) foil, bond it to the tube and
    them remove the (firmly attached) clear layer. Was this
    right? I know, I should read the instructions, but
    they're with the other 90 patches at home...

    That's right. Best patches out there, bar none. Mind
    you, you'd be going some to use that many in the rest of
    your life!

    Over here in the middle of the Colonies (where it is dry and
    our wheat was imported) I'm on at least my fourth box (in 20
    years of cycling) of 100 and that is only after buying the
    small patch kits by the dozen prior to that. I've had tubes
    that had 25 patches on them. The only reason I threw them
    away was that the stem pulled out because it was weakened
    from so much pumping. In the American Southwest, things just
    aren't right if you don't find every one of your bicycles
    with a slow leak every time you want to use it.

    Thanks to our imported Russian wheat, we are cursed with the
    dreaded devil weed - Goatheads! Our childern learn how to
    patch tires before they can ride. We are to goatheads what
    OPEC is to oil except for the exporting part and the getting
    rich part. If you every find yourself west of the
    Mississippi, look carefully before you take your bicycle off
    the pavement. I have watched farmers walking across their
    fields grow from 5' 7" to well over NBA height from the
    goathead stuck to their shoes! No foolin'! Tanks on
    manuevers at Ft. Carson have had their treads flattened from
    the goatheads! Small childred have had to have blood
    transfusions from walking barefoot through playgrounds (and
    their parents have been publically humilated for allowing
    their childern to go around barefoot). Why, I've even seen
    ... Be afraid. Be very afraid.

    Stuart Black

  9. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Stuart Black
    Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Ian G

    Batten (') said:


    So, the wiggle parcel arrived this morning, containing
    tubes, patches and CO2 cylinders. Which was nice, as it
    arrived as I was just waiting for my GPS box to lock,
    and I grabbed a tube, a cylinder and some patches from
    the box. Which was good, as I had a rear-wheel puncture
    on the Grand Union towpath. I could quickly stick a new
    tube in, blast it with CO2 and continue, with a patched
    tube, a tube needing patching, some patches, another CO2
    cylinder, a backup handpump and a fistful of patches in
    my bag.

    At lunchtime I repaired the punctured tube, and I'm a
    bit puzzled by the Tip Top F1 Patches
    (wiggle.co.ukwiggle.co.uk).

    They're black on one side, brown on the other, with the
    brown protrouding slightly. I used one brown to the
    tube, on the grounds that it made most sense to remove
    the (lightly adhereing) foil, bond it to the tube and
    them remove the (firmly attached) clear layer. Was this
    right? I know, I should read the instructions, but
    they're with the other 90 patches at home...

    That's right. Best patches out there, bar none. Mind
    you, you'd be going some to use that many in the rest of
    your life!



    Over here in the middle of the Colonies (where it is dry and
    our wheat was imported) I'm on at least my fourth box (in 20
    years of cycling) of 100 and that is only after buying the
    small patch kits by the dozen prior to that. I've had tubes
    that had 25 patches on them. The only reason I threw them
    away was that the stem pulled out because it was weakened
    from so much pumping. In the American Southwest, things just
    aren't right if you don't find every one of your bicycles
    with a slow leak every time you want to use it.

    Thanks to our imported Russian wheat, we are cursed with the
    dreaded devil weed - Goatheads! Our childern learn how to
    patch tires before they can ride. We are to goatheads what
    OPEC is to oil except for the exporting part and the getting
    rich part. If you every find yourself west of the
    Mississippi, look carefully before you take your bicycle off
    the pavement. I have watched farmers walking across their
    fields grow from 5' 7" to well over NBA height from the
    goathead stuck to their shoes! No foolin'! Tanks on
    manuevers at Ft. Carson have had their treads flattened from
    the goatheads! Small childred have had to have blood
    transfusions from walking barefoot through playgrounds (and
    their parents have been publically humilated for allowing
    their childern to go around barefoot). Why, I've even seen
    ... Be afraid. Be very afraid.

    Stuart Black

    Dear Stuart,

    Were you ever a steamboat mate?

    S.L. Clemens

    A Mr. H. furnished some minor details of fact
    concerning this region which I would have
    hesitated to believe if I had not known him
    to be a steamboat mate. He was a passenger
    of ours, a resident of Arkansas City, and bound
    to Vicksburg to join his boat, a little Sunflower
    packet. He was an austere man, and had the
    reputation of being singularly unworldly, for a
    river man. Among other things, he said that
    Arkansas had been injured and kept back by
    generations of exaggerations concerning the
    mosquitoes here. One may smile, said he, and
    turn the matter off as being a small thing; but
    when you come to look at the effects produced,
    in the way of discouragement of immigration,
    and diminished values of property, it was quite
    the opposite of a small thing, or thing in any
    wise to be coughed down or sneered at.
    These mosquitoes had been persistently
    represented as being formidable and lawless;
    whereas 'the truth is, they are feeble, insignificant
    in size, diffident to a fault, sensitive'--and so on,
    and so on; you would have supposed he was
    talking about his family. But if he was soft on the
    Arkansas mosquitoes, he was hard enough on
    the mosquitoes of Lake Providence to make up
    for it--'those Lake Providence colossi,' as he finely
    called them. He said that two of them could whip
    a dog, and that four of them could hold a man down;
    and except help come, they would kill him--'butcher
    him,' as he expressed it. Referred in a sort of casual
    way--and yet significant way--to 'the fact that the
    life policy in its simplest form is unknown in Lake
    Providence--they take out a mosquito policy besides.'
    He told many remarkable things about those lawless
    insects. Among others, said he had seen them try to
    vote. Noticing that this statement seemed to be a
    good deal of a strain on us, he modified it a little:
    said he might have been mistaken, as to that particular,
    but knew he had seen them around the polls 'canvassing.'

    There was another passenger--friend of H.'s--who backed
    up the harsh evidence against those mosquitoes, and
    detailed some stirring adventures which he had had
    with them. The stories were pretty sizable, merely
    pretty sizable; yet Mr. H. was continually interrupting
    with a cold, inexorable 'Wait--knock off twenty-five per
    cent. of that; now go on;' or, 'Wait--you are getting that
    too strong; cut it down, cut it down--you get a leetle too
    much costumery on to your statements: always dress
    a fact in tights, never in an ulster;' or, 'Pardon, once
    more: if you are going to load anything more on to that
    statement, you want to get a couple of lighters and tow
    the rest, because it's drawing all the water there is in
    the river already; stick to facts--just stick to the cold
    facts; what these gentlemen want for a book is the
    frozen truth--ain't that so, gentlemen?' He explained
    privately that it was necessary to watch this man all
    the time, and keep him within bounds; it would not
    do to neglect this precaution, as he, Mr. H., 'knew to
    his sorrow.' Said he, 'I will not deceive you; he told
    me such a monstrous lie once, that it swelled my left
    ear up, and spread it so that I was actually not able
    to see out around it; it remained so for months, and
    people came miles to see me fan myself with it.'

    --"Life on the Mississippi," Chapter 34

  10. (R15757) said:

    Stuart Black wrote:

    << Over here in the middle of the Colonies (where it is dry
    and our wheat was imported) I'm on at least my fourth box
    (in 20 years of cycling) of 100 and that is only after
    buying the small patch kits by the dozen prior to that.
    I've had tubes that had 25 patches on them. The only reason
    I threw them away was that the stem pulled out because it
    was weakened from so much pumping. In the American
    Southwest, things just aren't right if you don't find every
    one of your bicycles with a slow leak every time you want
    to use it. >>

    That's what I'm talkin' about. About 30 goathead flats
    per annum.

    << Thanks to our imported Russian wheat, ...>>

    I heard it rode in with some livestock from the
    Mediterranean. It is more of a Mediterranean-style plant,
    liking dry sandy soil.

    << ...Tanks on manuevers at Ft. Carson have had their
    treads flattened from the goatheads! >>

    That's true. The army had been developing some kind of thorn-
    proof tread but Rumsfeld killed the program.

    <<Small childred have had to have blood transfusions from
    walking barefoot through playgrounds (and their parents
    have been publically humilated for allowing their childern
    to go around barefoot).>>

    That's also true.

    Why, I've even seen ... Be afraid. Be very afraid. >>

    There is also the story of the incident at Cherry Creek
    Reservoir, where a small band of goatheads set up a
    roadblock, brutally assaulted a cyclist and actually set
    his bicycle on fire. They were never apprehended.

    Robert

    Dear Robert,

    This is the kind of irresponsible exaggeration of the
    goathead menace that leads to so many commercial airline
    pilots refusing to land at the new Denver airport in August
    and September for fear of landing-gear problems.

    The goathead problem is well under control now in Colorado.
    I myself have gone without a flat tire for the last 48 days
    and am contemplating a cautious inquiry as to how long
    unpunctured 700c inner tubes may reasonably be expected to
    last before they rot and fail from old age.

    Ten weeks?Twelve?

    Carl Fogel

  11. On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 03:17:37 GMT, [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    I think I'll continue to use REMA patches and will remove
    the cellophane as REMA sees fit to do. If you don't, and
    must use the tube after patching, the patch cannot expand
    freely with the tube whereby the glue joint will be
    stressed as the tube expands to fill the tire volume (that
    is obviously greater than the tube or the tube would
    wrinkle on installation). REMA has been in this business
    for a long time and does a good job.

    I buy the Rema patches by the 100. I thought that the
    cellophane was to protect the tire from the stain that used
    to develop on the outside of the tire from using a patch. I
    don't really bother to take them off. I try to do all my
    patching at home. After the patch has cured I usually
    inflate the tube to oversize and the cellophane pops up and
    comes off. I recognize that the baloon inflation is not
    ideal but it does find leaky patches.

  12. Paul Kopit said:
    Quoted message said:

    I think I'll continue to use REMA patches and will remove
    the cellophane as REMA sees fit to do. If you don't, and
    must use the tube after patching, the patch cannot expand
    freely with the tube whereby the glue joint will be
    stressed as the tube expands to fill the tire volume
    (that is obviously greater than the tube or the tube
    would wrinkle on installation). REMA has been in this
    business for a long time and does a good job.

    Quoted message said:

    I buy the Rema patches by the 100. I thought that the
    cellophane was to protect the tire from the stain that
    used to develop on the outside of the tire from using a
    patch. I don't really bother to take them off. I try to do
    all my patching at home. After the patch has cured I
    usually inflate the tube to oversize and the cellophane
    pops up and comes off. I recognize that the balloon
    inflation is not ideal but it does find leaky patches.

    Not to worry, the brown will go through the cellophane. In
    fact old patches in my patch kit have brown cellophane.
    Besides, with use the thin film breaks up as the tire flexes
    on the diagonal of the casing bias.

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

  13. Quoted message said:

    The goathead problem is well under control now in
    Colorado. I myself have gone without a flat tire for the
    last 48 days and am contemplating a cautious inquiry as to
    how long unpunctured 700c inner tubes may reasonably be
    expected to last before they rot and fail from old age.

    hmmmm, i haven't had a goathead flat in quite a while
    (late december?) but there's another longer, thinner thorn
    here in idaho that's filling in for the duration until
    fall. at least with goatheads you can get them out of your
    tire fairly easily .. these little buggers sometimes
    require tweezers.

    Quoted message said:

    Ten weeks?Twelve?

    leave theory to the theoreticians. such questions have never
    been answered in practice.
    --
    david reuteler [email hidden]

  14. [email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    On 17 Jun 2004 06:40:41 GMT, [email hidden] (R15757)

    Quoted message said:

    Stuart Black wrote:

    << Over here in the middle of the Colonies (where it is
    dry and our wheat was imported) I'm on at least my fourth
    box (in 20 years of cycling) of 100 and that is only
    after buying the small patch kits by the dozen prior to
    that. I've had tubes that had 25 patches on them. The
    only reason I threw them away was that the stem pulled
    out because it was weakened from so much pumping. In the
    American Southwest, things just aren't right if you don't
    find every one of your bicycles with a slow leak every
    time you want to use it. >>

    That's what I'm talkin' about. About 30 goathead flats
    per annum.

    << Thanks to our imported Russian wheat, ...>>

    I heard it rode in with some livestock from the
    Mediterranean. It is more of a Mediterranean-style plant,
    liking dry sandy soil.

    << ...Tanks on manuevers at Ft. Carson have had their
    treads flattened from the goatheads! >>

    That's true. The army had been developing some kind of
    thorn-proof tread but Rumsfeld killed the program.

    <<Small childred have had to have blood transfusions
    from walking barefoot through playgrounds (and their
    parents have been publically humilated for allowing
    their childern to go around barefoot).>>

    That's also true.

    Why, I've even seen ... Be afraid. Be very afraid. >>

    There is also the story of the incident at Cherry Creek
    Reservoir, where a small band of goatheads set up a
    roadblock, brutally assaulted a cyclist and actually set
    his bicycle on fire. They were never apprehended.

    Robert

    Dear Robert,

    This is the kind of irresponsible exaggeration of the
    goathead menace that leads to so many commercial airline
    pilots refusing to land at the new Denver airport in
    August and September for fear of landing-gear problems.

    The goathead problem is well under control now in
    Colorado. I myself have gone without a flat tire for the
    last 48 days and am contemplating a cautious inquiry as to
    how long unpunctured 700c inner tubes may reasonably be
    expected to last before they rot and fail from old age.

    Ten weeks?Twelve?

    Carl Fogel

    Do not believe this man! He is obviously an agent of the
    unholiest of unholies - the alliance of Tourism, Banks and
    Tube Manufacturers! They want to come to the Great State of
    Colorado, ride your bike and go so far into debt that you
    will lose your house! No one in Colorful Colorado owns a
    home - the Banks have taken them from us! Our wives and
    children work night and day to make new tubes to support our
    habit. We owe our souls to the Tire Tube Store! Puncture
    proof tires are kept in a box in the back room of the Tire
    Tube Store and the inventor has died under mysterious
    circumstances to keep his secrets from the hands of all
    cyclists in Beautiful Colorado. Don't come here! Don't move
    here! Stay far away! Run away!

    Stuart Black PFLOT (People Front for the Liberation of
    Our Tubes)

  15. carlfogel <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Stuart Black said:

    Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<ct93q1-
    [email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Ian G
    Batten ([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

    >
    > So, the wiggle parcel arrived this morning,
    > containing tubes, patches and CO2 cylinders. Which
    > was nice, as it arrived as I was just waiting for
    > my GPS box to lock, and I grabbed a tube, a
    > cylinder and some patches from the box. Which was
    > good, as I had a rear-wheel puncture on the Grand
    > Union towpath. I could quickly stick a new tube
    > in, blast it with CO2 and continue, with a patched
    > tube, a tube needing patching, some patches,
    > another CO2 cylinder, a backup handpump and a
    > fistful of patches in my bag.
    >
    > At lunchtime I repaired the punctured tube, and
    > I'm a bit puzzled by the Tip Top F1 Patches (wiggle.co.ukwiggle.co.uk
    > 47wiggle.co.ukwiggle.co.uk).
    >
    > They're black on one side, brown on the other,
    > with the brown protrouding slightly. I used one
    > brown to the tube, on the grounds that it made
    > most sense to remove the (lightly adhereing) foil,
    > bond it to the tube and them remove the (firmly
    > attached) clear layer. Was this right? I know, I
    > should read the instructions, but they're with the
    > other 90 patches at home...

    That's right. Best patches out there, bar none. Mind
    you, you'd be going some to use that many in the
    rest of your life!


    Over here in the middle of the Colonies (where it is
    dry and our wheat was imported) I'm on at least my
    fourth box (in 20 years of cycling) of 100 and that is
    only after buying the small patch kits by the dozen
    prior to that. I've had tubes that had 25 patches on
    them. The only reason I threw them away was that the
    stem pulled out because it was weakened from so much
    pumping. In the American Southwest, things just aren't
    right if you don't find every one of your bicycles
    with a slow leak every time you want to use it. Thanks
    to our imported Russian wheat, we are cursed with the
    dreaded devil weed - Goatheads! Our childern learn how
    to patch tires before they can ride. We are to
    goatheads what OPEC is to oil except for the exporting
    part and the getting rich part. If you every find
    yourself west of the Mississippi, look carefully
    before you take your bicycle off the pavement. I have
    watched farmers walking across their fields grow from
    5' 7" to well over NBA height from the goathead stuck
    to their shoes! No foolin'! Tanks on manuevers at Ft.
    Carson have had their treads flattened from the
    goatheads! Small childred have had to have blood
    transfusions from walking barefoot through playgrounds
    (and their parents have been publically humilated for
    allowing their childern to go around barefoot). Why,
    I've even seen ... Be afraid. Be very afraid. Stuart
    Black

    Dear Stuart,

    Were you ever a steamboat mate?

    <snippage>

    Nope. Just a lad who grew up about 40 miles east of you
    who,thanks to the boredom of small town life and a father
    with a wicked sense of humor, developed the ability to
    embellish things a bit. But not too much. A talent we seem
    to share - like you are ever going to get a tube to die of
    old age - piffle! Maybe it's something in the water down in
    the Valley.

    Stuart Black

  16. (R15757) said:

    Carl Fogeled in part:

    << The goathead problem is well under control now in
    Colorado. I myself have gone without a flat tire for the
    last 48 days and am contemplating a cautious inquiry as to
    how long unpunctured 700c inner tubes may reasonably be
    expected to last before they rot and fail from old age.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That must be some kind of record for you. It is still early
    yet. If the goatheads are under control, why? I can only
    think of a few possible reasons: climate not conducive to
    goathead growth this season, or perhaps last season, as
    normally this time of year we would be dealing with the
    cumulative goatheads from a decade or so of annual crops
    even if this year's goatheads haven't really hit the
    streets yet; imported better quality weevil team; better
    weevil training; tougher sentences for goatheads and
    especially goathead ringleaders.

    Robert

    Dear Robert,

    My no-flat-tire streak now stands at 49 rides.

    In the first 115 rides this year, I had 11 rear and 5 front
    flats, an average of one flat every 7.2 rides.

    Modesty (and a fear of jinxing myself) forbids me to
    attribute my flat-free streak to skill, training, and
    talent, but it seems reasonable to expect a lucrative offer
    to endorse the Mr. Coffee machine if my luck holds for just
    one more week.

    J. DiMaggio

  17. On 18 Jun 2004 13:23:41 GMT, [email hidden]

    (MikeYankee) said:
    Quoted message said:

    no-flat-tire streak now stands at 49 rides

    I'll probably go out and flat today, but haven't had a flat
    since Aug. 8 last year, 156 rides and 5883 miles ago -- my
    longest streak ever.

    Before that, I must have had a dozen flats in two months,
    including a memorable five on one ride. Roads around here
    are pretty clean (no goatheads in NY state).

    I ride normal tires, by the way (Axial Pros or cheap
    Vittorias, depending on the bike), with decent ultralite
    tubes (Kenda of Salsa when I can find them, sometimes
    Torelli or Vittoria, NEVER Michelin or Performance).

    Mike Yankee

    (Address is munged to thwart spammers. To reply, delete
    everything after "com".)

    Dear Mike,

    Ultralite tubes? New York sounds more like batting practice
    (you lucky devil) than real pitching from goatheads.

    When looking for its first spokesman, the Mr. Coffee company
    insisted on streaks involving nine-inning games against major-
    league pitchers.

    Your 5,883-mile streak for 156 rides makes New York's feeble
    flat-tire threat look even more minor-league when converted
    to 392 flat-free Fogel-standard 15-mile rides. (Good God,
    which wears out first, your tire or your tube?)

    No, I can't see you edging me out for the endorsement
    contract. The Mr. Coffee company is understandably not
    interested in using tee-ball batting-averages to push its
    product--ground beans is their motto, not boiled leaves.

    Of course, the Celestial Seasonings company may be looking
    for someone to sell more Earl Grey tea, but don't shave
    your head yet.

    J.-L. Picard

  18. On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:36:40 -0600, [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    On 18 Jun 2004 13:23:41 GMT, [email hidden]

    (MikeYankee) said:
    Quoted message said:

    no-flat-tire streak now stands at 49 rides

    I'll probably go out and flat today, but haven't had a
    flat since Aug. 8 last year, 156 rides and 5883 miles ago
    -- my longest streak ever.

    Before that, I must have had a dozen flats in two months,
    including a memorable five on one ride. Roads around here
    are pretty clean (no goatheads in NY state).

    I ride normal tires, by the way (Axial Pros or cheap
    Vittorias, depending on the bike), with decent ultralite
    tubes (Kenda of Salsa when I can find them, sometimes
    Torelli or Vittoria, NEVER Michelin or Performance).

    Mike Yankee

    (Address is munged to thwart spammers. To reply, delete
    everything after "com".)

    Dear Mike,

    Ultralite tubes? New York sounds more like batting practice
    (you lucky devil) than real pitching from goatheads.

    When looking for its first spokesman, the Mr. Coffee
    company insisted on streaks involving nine-inning games
    against major-league pitchers.

    Your 5,883-mile streak for 156 rides makes New York's
    feeble flat-tire threat look even more minor-league when
    converted to 392 flat-free Fogel-standard 15-mile rides.
    (Good God, which wears out first, your tire or your tube?)

    No, I can't see you edging me out for the endorsement
    contract. The Mr. Coffee company is understandably not
    interested in using tee-ball batting-averages to push its
    product--ground beans is their motto, not boiled leaves.

    Of course, the Celestial Seasonings company may be looking
    for someone to sell more Earl Grey tea, but don't shave
    your head yet.

    J.-L. Picard

    Aaaargh!

    Even as I typed, my rear tire was quietly oozing green anti-
    flat slime around a minute rock chip stuck in a tiny cut
    from yesterday's ride.

    At least I had the long-forgotten pleasure of peeling a tube
    out from the inside of a tire. Normally, my tubes don't stay
    in the tire long enough to do whatever makes them stick to
    the interior.

    My current flat-free streak now stands at one ride.

    Carl Fogel

  19. Pete Biggs said:
    Phil Brown said:
    Quoted message said:

    Snipping edges of cellophane in advance makes it easy to
    peel it off afterwards.

    The cellophane has a split in the middle to allow easy
    removal. Phil Brown

    The snipping tip is for other brands of patches that don't
    have slips/perforations. It works.

    Am I the only one who just leaves it in place if it doesn't
    come off easily? That doesn't seem to cause a problem...

  20. Werehatrack said:


    Am I the only one who just leaves it in place if it doesn't
    come off easily? That doesn't seem to cause a problem...

    Dear Werehatrack,

    I pity the apprentice mohel from rec.bris.tech who
    accidentally stumbles into this thread at your post.

    Carl Fogel

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