Twas a dark and stormy night

On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:34:20 +0100, David Martin
<[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip]

[censored], I had sympathy pains reading that! Well done.TT
is something I am simply not fit enough to even think about!

--
Young Musician of the Year 2004 was a fiddle

On 24/6/04 11:36 am, in article [email hidden],

Richard Bates said:

On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:34:20 +0100, David Martin
<[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip]

[censored], I had sympathy pains reading that! Well
done.TT is something I am simply not fit enough to even
think about!

Thus says the man who has just done an end to end on a
loaded touring bike..

You'd probably surprise yourself. I only did a little TT
specific training. Two nights in the last two weeks I went
out on the flattish bit near me and tried some intense
riding to see what it felt like (couple of all out push for
5K and generally try to hold a fastish (18-20 mph) steady
pace for the rest of the time apart from warm up and warm
down), sort out position on the bike etc. Other than that I
had been doing a moderate (<100 miles a week) amount of fast
touring (14mph average on hilly[1] routes), no more than 50
miles a day. The reason for so little training is the family
like to see me so I can only get a few hours in the evening
or Saturday morning to ride and the allotment needs weeding
and watering (and fresh fruit and veg is sooo nice.)

..d

[1] for my local definition of hills.

David Martin said:

Thus says the man who has just done an end to end on a
loaded touring bike..

My thought is that loaded end to end never really registers
in the cardiovascular department - it was always my legs
that gave up. Snailpace riding such as I did doesn't need
cardiovascular fitness.

--
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David Martin:

Quoted message said:

cross the line just before the minute falls so am dead
chuffed with that.

Which minute? I want to know what sort of time I need to be
aiming for if I decide I want to do some racing - I did ten
miles in 38 minutes last night, not pushing particularly
hard but with the benefit of the wind at my back for the
second five miles. I guess I need to be closer to the half
hour, yes?

d.

davek said:

David Martin:

Quoted message said:

cross the line just before the minute falls so am dead
chuffed with that.

Which minute? I want to know what sort of time I need to
be aiming for if I decide I want to do some racing - I did
ten miles in 38 minutes last night, not pushing
particularly hard but with the benefit of the wind at my
back for the second five miles. I guess I need to be
closer to the half hour, yes?

The minute was lower than my age in years (which was my
target for a wet and windy night).

Fastest time on the night was 26.34 for a guy who is
normally much closer to 20 than 30..

My time was 30.59.

I found I was able to go that bit faster with the buzz of
actually racing overriding the desire to think 'what the
heck' and sit up and take it easy.

I'd say give it a go. You'll surprise yourself with the
speed you do and get better as things go on. (and if you
think you'll be really slow then make sure you sign in
early so the timekeepers aren't left waiting for you for
too long).

There were four people in the field last night. Myself, a
veteran on a tt bike who posted 27 something, the chap who
won (on a fully tricked out lo-pro tt bike) who did 26.34
and another chap who did 32 something. There were more
people marshalling and timekeeping than competing!

Generally good humour and very friendly. Big thanks to Fife
Century for organising the event.

I'll miss the next few races as I'm on holiday. Maybe try
the 2up 15 mile TT on 21st July, then a ten for the next
three weeks after that.

See how it goes ;-)

..d

I am also interested how fast you need to be not to look a total prat 🙂 in a time trial/road race.

I can't get my average over 16 mph on a ten mile cousre however it is mostly steep hills (peak district)

btw just been out today and it feels more like november than june strong wind rain in your face and not that warm don't mind this in the winter but dont expect it now.

Tim

On 24/6/04 4:15 pm, in article [email hidden],

gemarc said:

I am also interested how fast you need to be not to look a
total prat 🙂 in a time trial/road race.

If you turn up with normal kit and put in a reasonable
effort you won't look a prat.

If you turn up with the latest and greatest kit, aero
everything etc. and post a 40 minute time for a ten then you
WILL look like a prat.

Quoted message said:

I can't get my average over 16 mph on a ten mile cousre
however it is mostly steep hills (peak district)

Och, just give it a go. If the people aren't friendly and
encouraging then find a different club.

..d

gemarc <[email hidden]> wrote:

: I can't get my average over 16 mph on a ten mile cousre
: however it is mostly steep hills (peak district)

That's plenty fast enough.

Arthur

--
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philosophy out of a personality defect"
- Paulina Borsook

Arthur Clune said:

gemarc <[email hidden]> wrote:

: I can't get my average over 16 mph on a ten mile cousre
: however it is mostly steep hills (peak district)

That's plenty fast enough.

I averaged about 16mph on the flat on monday for a 30 mile
training ride. The TT was done faster on a hillier course
than I had achieved during my training.

The psychological effect is considerable. Give it a go,
you'll do well enough to not feel a prat. Half the battle is
the confidence to get up and do it, and you'll feel really
pleased that you did.

..d

Quoted message said:

[censored], I had sympathy pains reading that! Well
done.TT is something I am simply not fit enough to even
think about!

Neither am I, but I do the club ones for fun :-)

Cheers, helen s

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On 24/6/04 9:03 pm, in article [email hidden],

dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

Quoted message said:

[censored], I had sympathy pains reading that! Well
done.TT is something I am simply not fit enough to even
think about!

Neither am I, but I do the club ones for fun :-)

It wasn't as bad as I feared. I was expecting it to really
drag as these things seem to take longer than you are
expecting but this time it seemed shorter than I was
expecting.

I suppose the key thing was working out what my aerobic
limit was and being able to push to that but not go over
it. That allowed me to keep going and not blow up before
the finish.

And today the legs didn't hurt too much. Don't know what
they'll be like tomorrow.

..d

David Martin:

Quoted message said:

My time was 30.59.

That sounds pretty good to me. I reckon I could maybe do
under 35 depending on the course and the weather but not
much better than that.

Quoted message said:

Generally good humour and very friendly. Big thanks to
Fife Century for organising the event.

And well done to you for a good performance in what sounds
like horrible conditions.

d.

On 24/6/04 10:46 pm, in article
[email hidden],

dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

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It wasn't as bad as I feared. I was expecting it to
really drag as these things seem to take longer than you
are expecting but this time it seemed shorter than I was
expecting.

I find that whichever course I'm on affects how I feel
about doing a TT. For example, our local Tuddenham 10,
which is a "fast" course, I loathe - it has what Nathan
describes as "The Dead Zone" on the way out - an uphill
drag which just seems to go on forever, even though it
doesn't. The Scoulton 10 is foul as it has a long exposed
section (ooh-err Missus!) between Gt. Ellingham & Hingham
and then the very last bit from Hingham to Scoulton has a
deceptive incline - uphill, at the end... just when I'm
running out of puff - BAH! The Ketteringham 10 I love -
it's a pootle round the country lanes - ideal for me :-)

This course starts really nicely.. downhill from the start
for the first few hundred metres (starts at NO 285 058
opposite the farm track and goes North).

Then crosses the river Eden and begins to rise past Ladybank
to the roundabout. This is a bit of a drag but the
sightlines are good so you can chase your minute man. It's
just been resurfaced so is silky smooth. Unfortunately it is
exposed and the wind was just North by Northwest.

The return is down the B937 with a right and a left to
finish on the minor road at NO 284 072 (ish). It does seem
to be a fairly fast course though is far from dead flat
(it is as flat as we get round here). Not a sporting
course either.

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I suppose the key thing was working out what my aerobic
limit was and being able to push to that but not go over
it. That allowed me to keep going and not blow up before
the finish.

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I find if I go fast (all relative - fast for me is slow
for most), at the start, I *loathe* it, but if I pace
myself, I really enjoy it.

I have a heart rate meter which really helps.. lets me know
if I am overcooking it. About 175-178 seems to be my
sustainable max though I hit 185 at the first roundabout and
was holding 180 for the last mile and a half.

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And today the legs didn't hurt too much. Don't know what
they'll be like tomorrow.

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They'll likely ache :-)

Time to go and take some Scottish Leg Medicine then. In
large quantities it will reduce all muscular pain (and
control) from legs.. Got a new bottle of port wood finish
for Fathers Day.

..d

thanks for your encouraging comments will try ang give it a go.