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  1. No doubt most of you who´ve ever run a marathon have seen
    the medical tents in the finish area, but I can now boast of
    having seen one from the inside.

    I knew well before the start of the race that I seemed to
    have a bit of bother with my stomach and it would be "fifty-
    sixty" between whether it would be my day or not, so I´d
    have to play it by ear at first.

    I took it easy, 4:20-4:25, for the first 10K, I felt a bit
    bloated and the sports drink didn´t seem to go down as
    smoothly as it could, but I felt I could begin to give a
    decent stab at the elusive sub-3 and upped the pace to 4:10-
    4-15. It was quite nicely within my marathon zone, at least
    according to my HRM,

    However, it didn´t take long for the dreaded problems to
    develop: the sports drink was sloshing around in my belly
    and, at the same time, my bowels were trying to make un-
    wanted movements. "Boy, you´re no Grete Waitz!" I said to
    myself and vowed to continue the race as best I could, and
    my sub-3 schedule wouldn´t allow it, anyway. (I didn´t fancy
    sticking my fingers down my throat, either.)

    The best I could do with a ballooning stomach and a tightly
    held sphincter turned out to be around 4:30-4:40, depending.
    At some point after 29K I rather abruptly found myself doing
    a sort of ultra running shuffle with powerless legs and my
    pace was now a pathetic 5:00-5:10; I didn´t feel like I´d
    hit any kind of wall or that I had a bear to carry on my
    back, but I didn´t even want to try to do better, I just
    exchanged remarks with the other runners (who now included
    slow half- marathoners whom I was now passing), spectators
    and volunteers in an effort to make the time (to the
    lavatory visit rather than to the finish as such) go faster.

    The last 300 meters were on a track, but I had no interest
    in making a good appearance on it, or fighting for position
    againt a guy who dashed past me. Once I got a medal in my
    hand I began to move towards the nearest loo, and once thus
    relieved - it was very much like what I imagine "Montezuma´s
    revenge" to be - I headed towards the hall one experience
    richer - as I thought then. On the way there I had to stop
    on the lawn, though, in a vain attempt to throw up - but I
    didn´t think much of that, either.

    Once inside I suddenly began to feel cold and started
    shaking. "Odd," I thought, "maybe I really should ask the
    medical folks whether they could spare an Imodium or two?"
    But before I had completed my question, the medic had taken
    a look at my shaking body (and my probably haggard face) and
    told me to lie down on the mats: "No, buts. Just do it!" was
    the curt response when I tried to object by pointing out
    that I don´t feel the least bit dizzy or anything.

    To cut the story short - after a very long intro:-) - I had
    my pulse, bloodpressure and blood sugar taken (probably just
    in case) and a bag of Ringer´s solution dripped into my arm,
    and a bag of glucose thrown into the bargain. I cannot say I
    began to feel better, as I hadn´t felt bad in the first
    place, but I definitely stopped freezing.

    The service was good, the atmosphere convivial and I could
    recommend an hour there to anyone:-)

    Anders

    P.S. Oh, I finished in 3:16...

    P.P. I spent the entire Saturday night and the best part
    of Sunday having the most violent and belly-cramping
    trots and throwing up whatever I´d tried to drink. I
    don´t like to think of how weak I´d have felt
    without the IV...

    P.P.P. I´ll now take a few weeks of well-deserved R&R from
    result-oriented running, but I have every intention
    of being back...

  2. "Anders Lustig" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    No doubt most of you who´ve ever run a marathon have seen
    the medical tents in the finish area, but I can now boast
    of having seen one from the inside.

    I'm not sure I'd like to see one of these from the inside,
    but it's good that, after all, everything went well for you!

    Were you used to drinking the sports drink you drank or was
    it a first try, because on my first M I had almost the same
    problem albeit I hadn't have to go to the medics, and it was
    a first try at it... which I won't ever do again.

    Take a good rest now, and you'll come back in good shape!

    BTW, I also made a really bad race this week-end, I posted a
    short RR under [Re: Training Week Ending June 20, 2004]

    marko

    Quoted message said:

    I took it easy, 4:20-4:25, for the first 10K, I felt a bit
    bloated and the sports drink didn´t seem to go down as
    smoothly as it could, but I felt I could begin to give a
    decent stab at the elusive sub-3 and upped the pace to 4:10-
    4-15. It was quite nicely within my marathon zone, at
    least according to my HRM,

    However, it didn´t take long for the dreaded problems to
    develop: the sports drink was sloshing around in my belly
    and, at the same time, my bowels were trying to make un-
    wanted movements. "Boy, you´re no Grete Waitz!" I said to
    myself and vowed to continue the race as best I could, and
    my sub-3 schedule wouldn´t allow it, anyway. (I didn´t
    fancy sticking my fingers down my throat, either.)

    The best I could do with a ballooning stomach and a
    tightly held sphincter turned out to be around 4:30-4:40,
    depending. At some point after 29K I rather abruptly found
    myself doing a sort of ultra running shuffle with
    powerless legs and my pace was now a pathetic 5:00-5:10; I
    didn´t feel like I´d hit any kind of wall or that I had a
    bear to carry on my back, but I didn´t even want to try to
    do better, I just exchanged remarks with the other runners
    (who now included slow half- marathoners whom I was now
    passing), spectators and volunteers in an effort to make
    the time (to the lavatory visit rather than to the finish
    as such) go faster.

    The last 300 meters were on a track, but I had no interest
    in making a good appearance on it, or fighting for
    position againt a guy who dashed past me. Once I got a
    medal in my hand I began to move towards the nearest loo,
    and once thus relieved - it was very much like what I
    imagine "Montezuma´s revenge" to be - I headed towards the
    hall one experience richer - as I thought then. On the way
    there I had to stop on the lawn, though, in a vain attempt
    to throw up - but I didn´t think much of that, either.

    Once inside I suddenly began to feel cold and started
    shaking. "Odd," I thought, "maybe I really should ask the
    medical folks whether they could spare an Imodium or two?"
    But before I had completed my question, the medic had
    taken a look at my shaking body (and my probably haggard
    face) and told me to lie down on the mats: "No, buts. Just
    do it!" was the curt response when I tried to object by
    pointing out that I don´t feel the least bit dizzy or
    anything.

    To cut the story short - after a very long intro:-) - I
    had my pulse, bloodpressure and blood sugar taken
    (probably just in case) and a bag of Ringer´s solution
    dripped into my arm, and a bag of glucose thrown into the
    bargain. I cannot say I began to feel better, as I hadn´t
    felt bad in the first place, but I definitely stopped
    freezing.

    The service was good, the atmosphere convivial and I could
    recommend an hour there to anyone:-)

    Anders

    P.S. Oh, I finished in 3:16...

    P.P.S. I spent the entire Saturday night and the best
    part of Sunday having the most violent and belly-
    cramping trots and throwing up whatever I´d tried
    to drink. I don´t like to think of how weak I´d
    have felt without the IV...

    P.P.P.S I´ll now take a few weeks of well-deserved R&R
    from result-oriented running, but I have every
    intention of being back...

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Anders Lustig said:

    P.S. Oh, I finished in 3:16...
    P.P.S. I spent the entire Saturday night and the best part
    of Sunday having the most violent and belly-cramping
    trots and throwing up whatever I'd tried to drink. I
    don't like to think of how weak I'd have felt
    without the IV...

    Not the sort of race report you want to read, but at least
    if you can run
    3:16 in these circumstances, then sub-3 is very realistic
    for autumn.

    Andrew Taylor

  4. Only a jogger would need medical attention because he had to
    pinch a loaf. You should have thought about that before you
    left the house......trailer.

  5. quite the report, Anders. congrats on your "trotting"
    ....er, i mean completing the race. man, you pushed beyond
    the limit, and i don't know how you can think about doing
    this again so soon after such an awful feeling.

    but good mental toughness - and clenching ability - on ya.

    Cam

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    (Anders Lustig) said:

    No doubt most of you who´ve ever run a marathon have seen
    the medical tents in the finish area, but I can now boast
    of having seen one from the inside.

    I knew well before the start of the race that I seemed to
    have a bit of bother with my stomach and it would be "fifty-
    sixty" between whether it would be my day or not, so I´d
    have to play it by ear at first.

    I took it easy, 4:20-4:25, for the first 10K, I felt a bit
    bloated and the sports drink didn´t seem to go down as
    smoothly as it could, but I felt I could begin to give a
    decent stab at the elusive sub-3 and upped the pace to 4:10-
    4-15. It was quite nicely within my marathon zone, at
    least according to my HRM,

    However, it didn´t take long for the dreaded problems to
    develop: the sports drink was sloshing around in my belly
    and, at the same time, my bowels were trying to make un-
    wanted movements. "Boy, you´re no Grete Waitz!" I said to
    myself and vowed to continue the race as best I could, and
    my sub-3 schedule wouldn´t allow it, anyway. (I didn´t
    fancy sticking my fingers down my throat, either.)

    The best I could do with a ballooning stomach and a
    tightly held sphincter turned out to be around 4:30-4:40,
    depending. At some point after 29K I rather abruptly found
    myself doing a sort of ultra running shuffle with
    powerless legs and my pace was now a pathetic 5:00-5:10; I
    didn´t feel like I´d hit any kind of wall or that I had a
    bear to carry on my back, but I didn´t even want to try to
    do better, I just exchanged remarks with the other runners
    (who now included slow half- marathoners whom I was now
    passing), spectators and volunteers in an effort to make
    the time (to the lavatory visit rather than to the finish
    as such) go faster.

    The last 300 meters were on a track, but I had no interest
    in making a good appearance on it, or fighting for
    position againt a guy who dashed past me. Once I got a
    medal in my hand I began to move towards the nearest loo,
    and once thus relieved - it was very much like what I
    imagine "Montezuma´s revenge" to be - I headed towards the
    hall one experience richer - as I thought then. On the way
    there I had to stop on the lawn, though, in a vain attempt
    to throw up - but I didn´t think much of that, either.

    Once inside I suddenly began to feel cold and started
    shaking. "Odd," I thought, "maybe I really should ask the
    medical folks whether they could spare an Imodium or two?"
    But before I had completed my question, the medic had
    taken a look at my shaking body (and my probably haggard
    face) and told me to lie down on the mats: "No, buts. Just
    do it!" was the curt response when I tried to object by
    pointing out that I don´t feel the least bit dizzy or
    anything.

    To cut the story short - after a very long intro:-) - I
    had my pulse, bloodpressure and blood sugar taken
    (probably just in case) and a bag of Ringer´s solution
    dripped into my arm, and a bag of glucose thrown into the
    bargain. I cannot say I began to feel better, as I hadn´t
    felt bad in the first place, but I definitely stopped
    freezing.

    The service was good, the atmosphere convivial and I could
    recommend an hour there to anyone:-)

    Anders

    P.S. Oh, I finished in 3:16...

    P.P.S. I spent the entire Saturday night and the best
    part of Sunday having the most violent and belly-
    cramping trots and throwing up whatever I´d tried
    to drink. I don´t like to think of how weak I´d
    have felt without the IV...

    P.P.P.S I´ll now take a few weeks of well-deserved R&R
    from result-oriented running, but I have every
    intention of being back...

  6. (Anders Lustig) said:

    The best I could do with a ballooning stomach and a tightly
    held sphincter turned out to be around 4:30-4:40,
    depending.

    Cripes. Maybe it's living in France which gives a different
    perspective on this but I could never run 20-some km with my
    sphinx puckered (this is NOT a spoonerism), let alone at a
    pace allowing me to get home in
    3:16...

    Quoted message said:

    P.P.P.S I´ll now take a few weeks of well-deserved R&R from
    result-oriented running, but I have every intention
    of being back...

    If you're not now convinced that sub 3 is yours for the
    taking, there's no saving you :-)

    FWIW A running partner, who's a good deal faster than me,
    had the same kind of problem as you, at his marathon attempt
    in Madrid. He just got his revenge, yesterday at Mont St
    Michel, in 2:52.

  7. Anders Lustig said:

    No doubt most of you who=B4ve ever run a marathon have
    seen=20 the medical tents in the finish area, but I can
    now boast of having seen one from the inside.=20
    =20
    I knew well before the start of the race that I seemed to
    have a bit of bother with my stomach and it would be "fifty-
    sixty" between whether it would be my day or not, so
    I=B4d=20 have to play it by ear at first.=20
    =20
    I took it easy, 4:20-4:25, for the first 10K, I felt a bit
    bloated and the sports drink didn=B4t seem to go down as
    smoothly as it could, but I felt I could begin to give a
    decent stab at the elusive sub-3 and upped the pace to 4:10-
    4-15. It was quite nicely within my marathon zone, at
    least according to my HRM,=20
    =20
    However, it didn=B4t take long for the dreaded problems
    to=20 develop: the sports drink was sloshing around in my
    belly and, at the same time, my bowels were trying to make
    un- wanted movements. "Boy, you=B4re no Grete Waitz!" I
    said to myself and vowed to continue the race as best I
    could, and my sub-3 schedule wouldn=B4t allow it, anyway.
    (I didn=B4t fancy sticking my fingers down my throat,
    either.)
    =20
    The best I could do with a ballooning stomach and a
    tightly=20 held sphincter turned out to be around 4:30-
    4:40, depending. At some point after 29K I rather abruptly
    found myself doing a sort of ultra running shuffle with
    powerless legs and my pace was now a pathetic 5:00-5:10; I
    didn=B4t feel like I=B4d hit any kind of wall or that I
    had a bear to carry on my back, but I didn=B4t even want
    to try to do better, I just exchanged remarks with the
    other runners (who now included slow half- marathoners
    whom I was now passing), spectators and volunteers=20 in
    an effort to make the time (to the lavatory visit
    rather=20 than to the finish as such) go faster.
    =20
    The last 300 meters were on a track, but I had no interest
    in making a good appearance on it, or fighting for
    position againt a guy who dashed past me. Once I got a
    medal in my hand I began to move towards the nearest loo,
    and once thus relieved - it was very much like what I
    imagine "Montezuma=B4s revenge" to be -=20 I headed
    towards the hall one experience richer - as I thought=20
    then. On the way there I had to stop on the lawn, though,
    in a=20 vain attempt to throw up - but I didn=B4t think
    much of that,=20 either.
    =20
    Once inside I suddenly began to feel cold and started
    shaking.=20 "Odd," I thought, "maybe I really should ask
    the medical folks whether they could spare an Imodium or
    two?" But before I had completed my question, the medic
    had taken a look at my shaking body (and my probably
    haggard face) and told me to lie down on the mats: "No,
    buts. Just do it!" was the curt response when I tried to
    object by pointing out that I don=B4t feel the least bit
    dizzy or anything.
    =20
    To cut the story short - after a very long intro:-) - I
    had my pulse, bloodpressure and blood sugar taken
    (probably just in case) and a bag of Ringer=B4s solution
    dripped into my arm, and a bag of glucose thrown into the
    bargain. I cannot say I began=20 to feel better, as I
    hadn=B4t felt bad in the first place, but I=20 definitely
    stopped freezing.=20
    =20
    The service was good, the atmosphere convivial and I could
    recommend an hour there to anyone:-)
    =20 20
    Anders
    =20 20
    P.S. Oh, I finished in 3:16...

    WOW!

    Quoted message said:

    =20
    P.P.S. I spent the entire Saturday night and the best
    part of Sunday having the most violent and belly-
    cramping trots and=20 throwing up whatever I=B4d
    tried to drink. I don=B4t like to think=20 of how
    weak I=B4d have felt without the IV...
    =20
    P.P.P.S I=B4ll now take a few weeks of well-deserved R&R
    from result-oriented running, but I have every
    intention of being back...

    So was this some kind of illness, or dehydration, or
    something else?

    Just glad to hear you are okay. And then that time. I'm
    just floored.

    --=20 Ed Prochak running faqs.orgrunning
    faq/ netiquette psg.comemily.html
    --
    "Two roads diverged in a wood and I
    I took the one less travelled by
    and that has made all the difference."
    robert frost

  8. Anders Lustig said:

    No doubt most of you who´ve ever run a marathon have seen
    the medical tents in the finish area, but I can now boast
    of having seen one from the inside.

    Geez, this group's getting carried away with one upmanship
    😉 Trying to
    top David's appendix? Although needing an IV is not a
    laughing matter.
    And here I thought you were one of the more sane people
    here, Anders.

    Quoted message said:

    P.S. Oh, I finished in 3:16...

    Seriously. Congratulations on finishing in spite of
    everything. Do you think it was something you ate before
    hand, an oncoming illness, or fluid / electrolyte imbalance.
    Sloshing stomach sounds like the latter.

    Quoted message said:

    P.P.P.S I´ll now take a few weeks of well-deserved R&R
    from result-oriented running, but I have every
    intention of being back...

    Yes, yikes, recover, and you'll come back stronger than
    ever. Good luck with your recovery and things will go better
    next time.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people" -Bernd
    Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  9. Anders Lustig said:

    No doubt most of you who´ve ever run a marathon have seen
    the medical tents in the finish area, but I can now boast
    of having seen one from the inside.


    Hopefully - a never to be repeated experience...

    Quoted message said:

    4-15. It was quite nicely within my marathon zone, at least
    according to my HRM,


    bodes well for the future.

    Quoted message said:

    However, it didn´t take long for the dreaded problems to
    develop: the sports drink was sloshing around in my belly
    and, at the same time, my bowels were trying to make un-
    wanted movements. "Boy, you´re no Grete Waitz!"


    No - I don't think I could have reverted to her "tactics"
    either. :-)

    Quoted message said:

    The best I could do with a ballooning stomach and a tightly
    held sphincter turned out to be around 4:30-4:40,
    depending.


    I guess I would have made a port-a-potty stop - hard to
    judge - thankfully I've never had *that* problem in a race.

    Quoted message said:

    P.S. Oh, I finished in 3:16...


    Great result in the circumstances! Even if you didn't
    get to sing

    Quoted message said:

    P.P.P.S I´ll now take a few weeks of well-deserved R&R from
    result-oriented running, but I have every intention
    of being back...


    Without doubt. Sub-3 is there for the taking.

    Anthony.

  10. "Anders Lustig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden].. .

    Quoted message said:

    However, it didn´t take long for the dreaded problems to
    develop: the sports drink was sloshing around in my belly
    and, at the same time, my bowels were trying to make un-
    wanted movements.

    My knee jerk response to the sloshing stomach is too little
    or too much salt. What did you drink pre race and what were
    they serving on the course?

    Quoted message said:

    To cut the story short - after a very long intro:-) - I
    had my pulse, bloodpressure and blood sugar taken
    (probably just in case) and a bag of Ringer´s solution
    dripped into my arm, and a bag of glucose thrown into the
    bargain. I cannot say I began to feel better, as I hadn´t
    felt bad in the first place, but I definitely stopped
    freezing.

    Sounds like classic dehydration especially with the
    bloated stomach.

    Quoted message said:

    The service was good, the atmosphere convivial and I could
    recommend an hour there to anyone:-)

    How about a salt cap and avoid the IV. 🙂

    -DougF ...

  11. "marko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Were you used to drinking the sports drink you drank or
    was it a first try, because on my first M I had almost the
    same problem albeit I hadn't have to go to the medics, and
    it was a first try at it... which I won't ever do again.

    FWIW I´ve never had any problems with Extran, but it was
    definitely a case of a bug that I´d caught: the symptoms
    were there before the race, although I hoped I wouldn´t be
    wrong to dismiss them as a mïnor side-effect of carbo-
    loading...

    Quoted message said:

    BTW, I also made a really bad race this week-end, I posted
    a short RR under [Re: Training Week Ending June 20, 2004]

    If you don´t mind my saying so, it felt kind of good to read
    about another pretty dismal racing episode:-)

    Anders

  12. [email hidden] (Andrew Taylor) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Not the sort of race report you want to read,

    You know, during that kind of race one´s thoughts can roam
    rather freely and at one point it occurred to me that the
    worst thing about this whole sad but nor unhumorous tale
    would be that I´d have to bring disappointment to all those
    in rec.running who would rather read a success story:-)

    Quoted message said:

    but at least if you can run 3:16 in these circumstances,
    then sub-3 is very realistic for autumn.

    At least I´ll know that it´s smart to consume tons of
    "functional" lactic acid bacteria, especially following a
    dose of antibiotics...

    But, seriously, I too think my cloud had a silver lining in
    that I didn´t seem to have the least inkling of a cramp or
    any DOMS to speak off - I *could´ve* hopped up and down
    stairs without any difficulty:-) OTOH I can´t be quite sure
    whether that was so because I´ve improved on that critical
    factor or because I run such a major part of the marathon at
    such submaximal level that I wasn´t really supposed to get
    any, anyway...

    The sub-3 is still very much in the program and on the near
    horizon via a few halfmarathons and crosscountry races!

    Anders

  13. steve common <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Cripes. Maybe it's living in France which gives a
    different perspective on this but I could never run 20-
    some km with my sphinx puckered (this is NOT a
    spoonerism), let alone at a pace allowing me to get home
    in
    3:16...

    That could be also because the tale always grows a bit
    taller in the telling or because the sensations during the
    latter stages can the memories of the earlier ones.´ It
    cannot really have been all that bad all of the time,
    because I´m no yoga wizard, swami or whatever, who could lie
    on a bed of nails, so to speak.

    All I can know is that somehow I could think either that "I
    don´t have to stop until the next suitable spot" or that "I
    cannot stop here in front of these people!":-)

    Quoted message said:

    If you're not now convinced that sub 3 is yours for the
    taking, there's no saving you :-)

    I´m afraid I could be marked for life and doomed to
    producing self-induced failures one after another by a
    certain sporting episode that grew larger than life in my
    mind in my boyhood - it can well be I´ll find ever new ways
    how *not* to go sub-3!

    Quoted message said:

    FWIW A running partner, who's a good deal faster than me,
    had the same kind of problem as you, at his marathon
    attempt in Madrid. He just got his revenge, yesterday at
    Mont St Michel, in 2:52.

    There´s nothing like a true life success story one can seek
    to emulate:-)

    Anders

  14. onemarathon <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    quite the report, Anders. congrats on your "trotting"
    ....er, i mean completing the race. man, you pushed beyond
    the limit, and i don't know how you can think about doing
    this again so soon after such an awful feeling.

    The thing is I didn´t really feel awful until during the
    following night and the next day: during the run it was
    more like "I´d rather not be in this situation feeling like
    this!" and afterwards "I don´t really need this medical
    attention, but since these people are so nice I´ll just
    play along!".

    In hindsight, it would´ve been smarter:

    a) to take one Imodium before the race (the symptoms were
    already in evidence and the medication wouldn´t have been
    harmful in any way - although it wouldn´t have prevented
    the dehydration, either),

    b) to stop at a portaloo or any suitable spot ASAP (it
    could´ve made the running a bit more relaxed, if not
    anything else), or

    c) to switch to water instead of sports drink (it could´ve
    helped at least some of the liquid to be absorbed).

    Or possibly: d) when in doubt, to calmly accept a DNS
    (especially when the organizers are quite willing to
    transfer your entry to the next year on such medical
    grounds).

    Anders

  15. "Dot" <dot.h@#att.net> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Anders Lustig wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    Geez, this group's getting carried away with one upmanship
    😉 Trying


    to

    Quoted message said:

    top David's appendix? Although needing an IV is not a
    laughing matter. And here I thought you were one of the
    more sane people here,


    Anders.

    Sheeet, I'm the only sane person here, ask my shrink!

    -DougF

  16. Dot <dot.h@#att.net> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Geez, this group's getting carried away with one upmanship
    😉 Trying to top David's appendix? Although needing an IV
    is not a laughing matter.

    I don´t think there are too many of us here who can honestly
    say that upmanship is completely alien to their nature:-)

    But I do know there is a difference between discomfort,
    however acure, and real distress: if it had been my
    appendix, I´d have performed self-appendectomy on the
    roadside and continued to finish the marathon as planned
    under three hours!

    This option was unfortunately unavailable to David - so I´m
    not suggesting that he simply lacked the guts to do it -
    because he would´ve been unable to cut through the layer of
    fat he has (like all but one poster here does - apart from
    me) with any available tool...

    Seriously, there is an aspect of "combat story" to this
    that I cannot deny. It kind of peeves me now that there was
    no-one to take a photograph of me making a rather urgent
    visit to the loo with a volunteer holding the IV bag
    following me:-)

    I´m still not convinced I *needed* the IV or that my
    condition really warranted the medical attention at all -
    I´m inclined to think that it was a case of professional
    myopia - they weren´t really prepared to see anyone as
    anything but a "potential customr":-) - but I have no
    regrets, the long hours that followed back home were bad
    enough as they happened.

    BTW they did have a couple of "real" cases: a guy for whom
    the hall had begun to spin around and who was rather quiet -
    and her girlfriend who finished 40 min later and came in to
    see him and ended up under the blankets as well:-) More
    seriously, when I finished my race at the end of the back
    straight there were medics working on an older male
    halfmarathoner who´d collpased (but fortunately it didn´t
    look like a cardiac arrest).

    Quoted message said:

    And here I thought you were one of the more sane people
    here, Anders.

    As they say: love goes out the window when the money runs
    out - and sanity leaves your head when you pin a race number
    on your chest:-)

    Anders

  17. "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    My knee jerk response to the sloshing stomach is too
    little or too much salt. What did you drink pre race and
    what were they serving on the course?

    Maybe the "sloshing" was my English vocabulary leading my
    description on a string too much. I´ve had the "too much or
    too little" and then it was more like an outer ball lining
    being overinflated and an inner lining sort of collapsed and
    turning around uncomfortably with its liquid contents. On
    Saturday both linings were in "high pressure".

    My pre-race "eating and drinking plan" was as per SOP:
    blueberry soup (which has some salt) and water in small
    portions and modest amounts until the last full hour and 4dl
    of water 5 minutes before the start. Tried and worked in
    races and in training. Extran likewise (and in Forssa the
    volunteers are regulars who have a well-deserved reputation
    for care and attention).

    Besides, IMHO the porblems were evident far too early
    - but I´m not sayiong that you knee jerk response was
    unreasonable:-)

    Anders

  18. "Anders Lustig" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    BTW, I also made a really bad race this week-end, I
    posted a short RR


    under

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    [Re: Training Week Ending June 20, 2004]

    If you don´t mind my saying so, it felt kind of good to
    read about another pretty dismal racing episode:-)

    I don't mind at all ;-) If I had hit 39' I would have been
    upset, but with such a bizarre race and result, I'm beyond
    the point where I can complain about anything, so I tend to
    look at my race with detachment :-)))

    marko

    Quoted message said:

    Anders

  19. Anders Lustig said:

    But, seriously, I too think my cloud had a silver lining
    in that I didn´t seem to have the least inkling of a cramp
    or any DOMS to speak off - I *could´ve* hopped up and down
    stairs without any difficulty:-)

    That was certainly my experience after my dismal Edinburgh
    showing. It seems clear that if you race a marathon at well
    below your capabilities, it doesn't knacker your legs
    anything like as much. I *did* run down stairs the next day
    without any difficulty and raced a 10K 4 days afterwards.
    Not as well as I might have, but decently enough.

    Tim
    --
    Remove the obvious to reply by email.

  20. Doug Freese said:

    "Dot" <dot.h@#att.net> wrote in message news:fcQBc.14984$OB3.12390@bgtnsc05-
    news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

    Quoted message said:

    Anders Lustig wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    Geez, this group's getting carried away with one upmanship
    😉 Trying

    to

    Quoted message said:

    top David's appendix? Although needing an IV is not a
    laughing matter. And here I thought you were one of the
    more sane people here,

    Anders.

    Sheeet, I'm the only sane person here, ask my shrink!

    This could be. But I used a gradient ("more sane"😉.
    OTOH, are you so sane that you've wrapped around to the
    insane side? 😉

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people" -Bernd
    Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

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