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"minerva nine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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"I like most of your posts showing carb-conspiracy - and I
agree that there IS some form of refined carb
conpiracy..."

Does no-one here think that the meat industry is sitting
back and counting it's dollars with glee, now that low-
carb has hit the mainstream? Don't kid yourself. There's a
money-making venture behind every diet fad that comes down
the pike. Painting low-carb as if it were some kind of
"fight the power" thing is just laughable.

M9

Actualy there is a huge difference between meat/dairy
industry and eddible oils/food processing industry. The
latter being extremely more proffitable and more
consolidated in power and wealth therefore better
orginized and standing to lose or gain more. The meat
and dairy industry is extremely decentralized compared
to the powerful and consolidated edible oils industry.
There are many smaller enteties in controll of the
wealth and power, however much there even is. This
results in far less profit and orginization and
ultimately far less power and influence.

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Quoted message said:

Quote from a recent post:

"I like most of your posts showing carb-conspiracy - and I
agree that there IS some form of refined carb
conpiracy..."

Does no-one here think that the meat industry is sitting
back and counting it's dollars with glee, now that low-
carb has hit the mainstream? Don't kid yourself. There's a
money-making

Well, you know, there is much less profit involved in
meat/veggies production, as it is much less processed.

To generate profit, you need to add value and do it in large
scale. You need to differentiate. You need brands.

That is just my opinion, of course.

Mirek

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Quoted message said:

Quote from a recent post:

"I like most of your posts showing carb-conspiracy - and
I agree that there IS some form of refined carb
conpiracy..."

Does no-one here think that the meat industry is sitting
back and counting it's dollars with glee, now that low-
carb has hit the mainstream? Don't kid yourself. There's
a money-making

Well, you know, there is much less profit involved in
meat/veggies production, as it is much less processed.

To generate profit, you need to add value and do it in
large scale. You need to differentiate. You need brands.

That is just my opinion, of course.

Mirek

There is a lot more money to make when you take corn or
wheat at a few cents a bushel, cook the daylights out of
it, suck all the nutrition out of it, extrude it into
strange and odd air-filled shapes, add coloring and cheap
sugar to it, package it into attractive colorful boxes,
market it straight to children and sell it for 5 or 6 bucks
for a few ounces.

TC

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"minerva nine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quote from a recent post:

"I like most of your posts showing carb-conspiracy
- and I

agree

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that there IS some form of refined carb conpiracy..."

Does no-one here think that the meat industry is sitting

back

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and counting it's dollars with glee, now that low-
carb has

hit

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the mainstream? Don't kid yourself. There's a money-
making venture behind every diet fad that comes down the
pike. Painting low-carb as if it were some kind of
"fight the

power"

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thing is just laughable.

M9

Actualy there is a huge difference between meat/dairy

industry and

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eddible oils/food processing industry. The latter being

extremely

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more proffitable and more consolidated in power and wealth

therefore

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better orginized and standing to lose or gain more.
The meat

and

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dairy industry is extremely decentralized compared to the

powerful and

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consolidated edible oils industry. There are many smaller

enteties in

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controll of the wealth and power, however much there
even is.

This

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results in far less profit and orginization and
ultimately far

less

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power and influence.

Let's see some facts.

M9

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Actualy there is a huge difference between meat/dairy
industry and eddible oils/food processing industry.
The latter being extremely more proffitable and more
consolidated in power and wealth therefore better
orginized and standing to lose or gain more. The meat
and dairy industry is extremely decentralized compared
to the powerful and consolidated edible oils industry.
There are many smaller enteties in controll of the
wealth and power, however much there even is. This
results in far less profit and orginization and
ultimately far less power and influence.

Actually thay are the same. Now that ConAgra owns Montfort,
Miller's and Armour, and Tyson owns Iowa Beef Packers, it's
all just one big happy family.

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Quote from a recent post:

"I like most of your posts showing carb-conspiracy -
and I

agree

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that there IS some form of refined carb conpiracy..."

Does no-one here think that the meat industry is
sitting

back

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and counting it's dollars with glee, now that low-
carb has

hit

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the mainstream? Don't kid yourself. There's a

money-making

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Well, you know, there is much less profit involved in

meat/veggies

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production, as it is much less processed.

To generate profit, you need to add value and do it
in large

scale. You

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need to differentiate. You need brands.

That is just my opinion, of course.

Mirek

There is a lot more money to make when you take corn
or wheat

at a few

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cents a bushel, cook the daylights out of it, suck all the

nutrition

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out of it, extrude it into strange and odd air-
filled shapes,

add

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coloring and cheap sugar to it, package it into attractive

colorful

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boxes, market it straight to children and sell it
for 5 or 6

bucks for

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a few ounces.

TC

The same could be said of meat & fat. But I see your point.

M9

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Quoted message said:

Quote from a recent post:

"I like most of your posts showing carb-conspiracy -
and I agree that there IS some form of refined carb
conpiracy..."

Does no-one here think that the meat industry is
sitting back and counting it's dollars with glee, now
that low-carb has hit the mainstream? Don't kid
yourself. There's a money-making

Well, you know, there is much less profit involved in
meat/veggies production, as it is much less processed.

To generate profit, you need to add value and do it in
large scale. You need to differentiate. You need brands.

That is just my opinion, of course.

Mirek

There is a lot more money to make when you take corn or
wheat at a few cents a bushel, cook the daylights out of
it, suck all the nutrition out of it, extrude it into
strange and odd air-filled shapes, add coloring and cheap
sugar to it, package it into attractive colorful boxes,
market it straight to children and sell it for 5 or 6
bucks for a few ounces.

TC

Do not forget spraying a few cents worth of synthetic
vitamins onto it and calling it healthy and a balanced
breakfast.

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"minerva nine" <[email hidden]> pí¹e v
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> Quote from a recent post:
>
> "I like most of your posts showing carb-conspiracy -
> and I agree that there IS some form of refined carb
> conpiracy..."
>
> Does no-one here think that the meat industry is
> sitting back and counting it's dollars with glee,
> now that low-carb has hit the mainstream? Don't kid
> yourself. There's a money-making

Well, you know, there is much less profit involved in
meat/veggies production, as it is much less processed.

To generate profit, you need to add value and do it in
large scale. You need to differentiate. You need
brands.

That is just my opinion, of course.

Mirek

There is a lot more money to make when you take corn or
wheat at a few cents a bushel, cook the daylights out of
it, suck all the nutrition out of it, extrude it into
strange and odd air-filled shapes, add coloring and
cheap sugar to it, package it into attractive colorful
boxes, market it straight to children and sell it for 5
or 6 bucks for a few ounces.

TC

Do not forget spraying a few cents worth of synthetic
vitamins onto it and calling it healthy and a balanced
breakfast.

Yeah, they remove all of the 23 important nutrients, then
spray on 6 of the cheapest vitamins available and call it
"enriched".

TC

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Quoted message said:

Quote from a recent post:

"I like most of your posts showing carb-conspiracy -
and I agree that there IS some form of refined carb
conpiracy..."

Does no-one here think that the meat industry is
sitting back and counting it's dollars with glee, now
that low-carb has hit the mainstream? Don't kid
yourself. There's a money-making

Well, you know, there is much less profit involved in
meat/veggies production, as it is much less processed.

To generate profit, you need to add value and do it in
large scale.

You

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need to differentiate. You need brands.

That is just my opinion, of course.

Mirek

There is a lot more money to make when you take corn or
wheat at a few cents a bushel, cook the daylights out of
it, suck all the nutrition out of it, extrude it into
strange and odd air-filled shapes, add coloring and cheap
sugar to it, package it into attractive colorful boxes,
market it straight to children and sell it for 5 or 6
bucks for a few ounces.

BTW, speaking about it, we have probably missed that there
is already kind of low-carb conspiracy as well.
Manufacturers of highly processed low carb [censored] pay to
Atkins Nutritionals and Atkins Foundation pays for research.

Interesting point is that once again, it is about processed
[censored] that brings profit.

Mirek

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BTW, speaking about it, we have probably missed that
there is

already

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kind of low-carb conspiracy as well. Manufacturers
of highly

processed

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low carb [censored] pay to Atkins Nutritionals and Atkins
Foundation

pays for

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research.

Interesting point is that once again, it is about
processed

[censored] that

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brings profit.

This was the point I was trying to make -- it's not the
base material that the [censored] is made out of that's the
problem, it's the [censored] itself. [censored] can be made from
carbohydrates, proteins and/or fats. None of the three is
any "better" than the others once it's processed beyond
recognition. Thx Mirek -- M9

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"Mirek Fidler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2k328uF1754a4U1@uni-
berlin.de...

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BTW, speaking about it, we have probably missed that
there is

already

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kind of low-carb conspiracy as well. Manufacturers of
highly

processed

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low carb [censored] pay to Atkins Nutritionals and Atkins
Foundation

pays for

Quoted message said:

research.

Interesting point is that once again, it is about
processed

[censored] that

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brings profit.

This was the point I was trying to make -- it's not the
base material that the [censored] is made out of that's the
problem, it's the [censored] itself. [censored] can be made from
carbohydrates, proteins and/or fats. None of the three is
any "better" than the others once it's processed beyond
recognition. Thx Mirek -- M9

Exactly, this is one of the main problems I have with
atkins. While he has done a great service in pointing
out the dangers of refined carbs to the ignorant public
he has spewed out a horde of dangerous processed
garbage. The best conclusion I can come up with as to
the reason is that he understands that Americans will be
reluctant to give up their refined carbs so he is trying
to supply low carb alternatives in the belief that it is
the lesser of two evils. the profit factor of course
plays a role in it as well.

It is just another example of how the human diet has
changed so drasticly in the last 100 years. We went from
eating carbs (whole wheat, fresh plants/fruits), fats
(lard, beef tallow, cream) , protein (meat), in their
whole unrefined form from whole natural foods to eating
refined processed carbs (flower, sugar), fats (vegetable
oils, trans fats), protein (isolated protein powders).
All man made man altered and refined into nutritionaly
empty fake foods that have never exist in nature and
have never existed in the human diet until recently.
They are not designed to support life but to enhance
marketability, durability, and profitability. I would
like to see someone try and live on a diet of white
bread, corn oil, margarine, sugar and protein powder
with a handful of synthetic vitamis added (basicly one
of those fake meal bars) compared to someone eating real
food like whole wheat, butter, cream, veggies, fruit,
and animal protein/fats with all the natural
bioavailable vitamins and 60+ trace minerals required
for optimal human health and reproduction.

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marketability, durability, and profitability. I
would like to

see

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someone try and live on a diet of white bread, corn oil,

margarine,

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sugar and protein powder with a handful of synthetic
vitamis

added

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(basicly one of those fake meal bars) compared to someone

eating real

Go see "Supersize Me" -- M9