scottish land reform legislation

bob watkinson said:

Does anybody know wether this legislation will prevent
land owners banning walkers with dogs from those parts of
the West Highlan Way currently off limits to dogs?

ICBW, but I think what you can expect as a dog walker will
effectively be covered in the access code rather than the
main legislation, and that is yet to be formally passed by
the executive (it's been submitted and a decision expected
next month).

See snh.org.ukSOACOpen ↗ for a downloadable PDF of
the proposed code. My impression (without having looked
very hard) is that you have Access Rights when walking a
dog as long as it is under control, not worrying livestock
and not leaving behind eggs in public places that you fail
to clean up.

Pete.
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bob watkinson said:

Does anybody know wether this legislation will prevent
land owners banning walkers with dogs from those parts of
the West Highlan Way currently off limits to dogs?

ICBW, but I think what you can expect as a dog walker will
effectively be covered in the access code rather than the
main legislation, and that is yet to be formally passed by
the executive (it's been submitted and a decision expected
next month).

See snh.org.ukSOACOpen ↗ for a downloadable PDF of
the proposed code. My impression (without having looked
very hard) is that you have Access Rights when walking a
dog as long as it is under control, not worrying livestock
and not leaving behind eggs in public places that you fail
to clean up.

This link worked for me:

www.snh.org.uk/pdfs/access/access2.pdf

There's a section devoted to dogs. Here are three
short extracts:

3.53 Access rights extend to people with dogs, provided that
the dog(s) are “under proper control”

Essentially, there are four important things to remember: ..
do not take your dog into a field where there are young
animals; .. do not take your dog into a field of vegetables
and fruit (unless you are on a clear path); .. keep your dog
on a short lead or under close control43 in a number of
other places; and .. remove any faeces left by your dog in a
public open place.

43 A short lead is taken to be two metres and “under close
control” means that the dog is able to respond to your
commands and is kept close at heel.

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My impression (without having looked very hard) is that
you have Access Rights when walking a dog as long as it is
under control, not worrying livestock and not leaving
behind eggs in public places that you fail to clean up.

And when not complying with the above, I hope there is
something about having a hand grenade shoved somewhere
the sun doesn't often shine. In the last case, both
owner and dog.
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My impression (without having looked very hard) is that
you have Access Rights when walking a dog as long as it
is under control, not worrying livestock and not leaving
behind eggs in public places that you fail to clean up.

And when not complying with the above, I hope there is
something about

having a

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hand grenade shoved somewhere the sun doesn't often shine.
In the last

case,

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both owner and dog.

Oh dear another prat! Using NGs.

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bob watkinson said:

Does anybody know wether this legislation will prevent
land owners

banning

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walkers with dogs from those parts of the West Highlan
Way currently

off

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limits to dogs?

ICBW, but I think what you can expect as a dog walker
will effectively be covered in the access code rather
than the main legislation, and that is yet to be formally
passed by the executive (it's been submitted and a
decision expected next month).

See snh.org.ukSOACOpen ↗ for a downloadable PDF of
the proposed code. My impression (without having looked
very hard) is that you have Access Rights when walking a
dog as long as it is under control, not worrying
livestock and not leaving behind eggs in public places
that you fail to clean up.

This link worked for me:

www.snh.org.uk/pdfs/access/access2.pdf

There's a section devoted to dogs. Here are three short
extracts:

3.53 Access rights extend to people with dogs, provided
that the dog(s) are "under proper control"

Essentially, there are four important things to remember:
.. do not take your dog into a field where there are young
animals; .. do not take your dog into a field of
vegetables and fruit (unless you are on a clear path); ..
keep your dog on a short lead or under close control43 in
a number of other places; and .. remove any faeces left by
your dog in a public open place.

43 A short lead is taken to be two metres and "under close
control" means that the dog is able to respond to your
commands and is kept close at heel.

Therefore basically the same ' laws' that relate to dogs in
the rest of the UK, at the moment!

Regards, Chris
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My impression (without having looked very hard) is
that you have Access Rights when walking a dog as long
as it is under control, not worrying livestock and not
leaving behind eggs in public places that you fail to
clean up.

And when not complying with the above, I hope there is
something about

having a

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hand grenade shoved somewhere the sun doesn't often
shine. In the last

case,

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both owner and dog.

Oh dear another prat! Using NGs.

Can we take it from your remarkably ungrammatical
contribution that you are totally in favour of dogshite
being left around for others to admire, then?
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> My impression (without having looked very hard) is
> that you have Access Rights when walking a dog as
> long as it is under control, not worrying livestock
> and not leaving behind eggs in public places that you
> fail to clean up.

And when not complying with the above, I hope there is
something about

having a

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hand grenade shoved somewhere the sun doesn't often
shine. In the last

case,

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both owner and dog.

Oh dear another prat! Using NGs.

Can we take it from your remarkably ungrammatical
contribution that you are totally in favour of dogshite
being left around for others to admire, then?

I am strongly against dog owners not clearing up their pet's
shyte (I am a dog owner and bag plenty of shyte myself) but
I am also against silly remarks about hand grenades which
wouldn't be out of place in a primary school playground.

Perhaps that is what made Craven think you were a prat
rather than your objection to the shytes and their
dog's output.

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I am strongly against dog owners not clearing up
their pet's shyte (I am a dog owner and bag plenty of
shyte myself)

I saw someone bagging some the other week. "Can't see why
some people don't clean it up. It's not much bother." he
said. "No" I agreed. He then slung it in the adjacent river.

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"Mark South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Peter Clinch" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> > My impression (without having looked very hard) is
> > that you have Access Rights when walking a dog as
> > long as it is under control, not worrying livestock
> > and not leaving behind eggs in public places that

you

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> > fail to clean up.
>
> And when not complying with the above, I hope there
> is something about
having a
> hand grenade shoved somewhere the sun doesn't often
> shine. In the last
case,
> both owner and dog.

Oh dear another prat! Using NGs.

Can we take it from your remarkably ungrammatical
contribution that you are totally in favour of dogshite
being left around for others to admire, then?

I am strongly against dog owners not clearing up their
pet's shyte

Glad to hear it.

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(I am a dog owner and bag plenty of shyte myself)

Glad to hear it.

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but I am also against silly remarks about hand grenades
which wouldn't be out of place in a primary school
playground.

I must be out of touch. Up until recently, AFAIK, primary
school kids weren't allowed hand grenades.

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Perhaps that is what made Craven think you were a prat
rather than your objection to the shytes and their
dog's output.

Your gloss is longer than his entire post.
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I am strongly against dog owners not clearing up their
pet's shyte (I am a dog owner and bag plenty of shyte
myself)

I saw someone bagging some the other week.

Excellent!

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"Can't see why some people don't clean it up. It's not
much bother." he said.

Quite so...

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"No" I agreed.

As indeed you would.

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He then slung it in the adjacent river.

He did *WHAT*?? UGH! I hope you remonstrated.
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ICBW, but I think what you can expect as a dog walker will
effectively be covered in the access code rather than the
main legislation, and that is yet to be formally passed by
the executive (it's been submitted and a decision expected
next month).

The word in the bothies and hills(actually the restaurant at
Loch Insh Watersports)is that sometime in November is when
we'll have to wait.

From a good source......

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ICBW, but I think what you can expect as a dog walker
will effectively be covered in the access code rather
than the main legislation, and that is yet to be
formally passed by the executive (it's been submitted
and a decision expected next month).

The word in the bothies and hills(actually the restaurant
at Loch Insh Watersports)is that sometime in November is
when we'll have to wait.

From a good source......

I've heard October suggested, but when I was in that
restaurant last month no one mentioned it.

The latest version of the Access Code was accepted by the
Executive last month and it was laid before parliament on
June 1st. The Justice 1 Committee are going to debate the
Code on June 30th and I've just been told that the debate by
the full parliament will follow in September, during the
first week after the summer recess.

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"Fran" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I am strongly against dog owners not clearing up their
pet's shyte (I

am

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a dog owner and bag plenty of shyte myself)

I saw someone bagging some the other week.

Excellent!

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"Can't see why some people don't clean it up. It's not
much bother." he said.

Quite so...

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"No" I agreed.

As indeed you would.

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He then slung it in the adjacent river.

He did *WHAT*?? UGH! I hope you remonstrated.

No, should have done but I was out running at the time and
only stopped because he was bending down in the middle of
the path and I wasn't sure if I could successfully hurdle
him. I don't suppose the Avon in Bristol is in otherwise
pristine condition but still. Reminds me of my Gran teaching
me to put ice lolly wrappers down drains at the side of the
road, some people just don't see anything wrong with things
like that.

AndyP said:

the Avon in Bristol

I'd have done exactly the same. The point of cleaning it up
is so that people don't tread in it, or kids don't get it on
their hands. No reason whatever why it shouldn't go in the
river to get washed out to sea - do you think fish don't
[censored] in the water?

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"Fran" <[email hidden]> wrote

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> I am strongly against dog owners not clearing up
> their pet's shyte (I

am

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> a dog owner and bag plenty of shyte myself)

I saw someone bagging some the other week.

Excellent!

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"Can't see why some people don't clean it up. It's not
much bother." he said.

Quite so...

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"No" I agreed.

As indeed you would.

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He then slung it in the adjacent river.

He did *WHAT*?? UGH! I hope you remonstrated.

No, should have done but I was out running at the time and
only stopped because he was bending down in the middle of
the path and I wasn't sure if I could successfully hurdle
him. I don't suppose the Avon in Bristol is in otherwise
pristine condition but still. Reminds me of my Gran
teaching me to put ice lolly wrappers down drains at the
side of the road, some people just don't see anything
wrong with things like that.

I used to do things like that as well, including throwing
sweet wrappers out of the car window on motorways. But...
that was 20- 30 years ago, and I certainly wouldn't do those
things now. People round here why I live are incredibly
messy, leaving bits of fishing line lying around, sometimes
with hooks; bottles, cans, placcy bags, chip wrappers
(sometimes with the remains of the chips)... and the
ubiquitous dog penc. If I see someone scooping it up I
always make a point of thanking them - sadly though, it
doesn't happen very often :-(
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I'd have done exactly the same. The point of cleaning it
up is so that people don't tread in it, or kids don't get
it on their hands. No reason whatever why it shouldn't go
in the river to get washed out to sea - do you think fish
don't [censored] in the water?

I was more concerned about the carrier bag than the [censored]
inside it. Fish don't chuck Sainsbury's carrier bags in
the river.

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the Avon in Bristol

I'd have done exactly the same. The point of cleaning it
up is so that people don't tread in it, or kids don't get
it on their hands. No reason whatever why it shouldn't go
in the river to get washed out to sea - do you think fish
don't [censored] in the water?

Ar. But this lot, IIRC, was in a placcy bag.
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AndyP said:

"Paul Rooney" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I'd have done exactly the same. The point of cleaning it
up is so that people don't tread in it, or kids don't get
it on their hands. No reason whatever why it shouldn't go
in the river to get washed out to sea - do you think fish
don't [censored] in the water?

I was more concerned about the carrier bag than the [censored]
inside it. Fish don't chuck Sainsbury's carrier bags in
the river.

Right - I'm with you on that one. Round here the trouts have
Netto bags.

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the Avon in Bristol

I'd have done exactly the same. The point of cleaning it
up is so that people don't tread in it, or kids don't get
it on their hands. No reason whatever why it shouldn't go
in the river to get washed out to sea - do you think fish
don't [censored] in the water?

Ar. But this lot, IIRC, was in a placcy bag.

Yes - I missed the point there!

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