Am I Type I?

"Szaki" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I only had a small plate of beef stew with vegies at
9:00PM for diner.

Gave

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me bloating and lot of gas. Measured my BG at 01:00
AM (241),

Stayed up late more, couldn't sleep. Fall in sleep at
5:00AM in the

morning,

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slept till 13:00PM , felt like a zombi, measured BG (215).
So fasting for

16

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hours and my BG only going down from 241 to 215 does not
look good. Took

my

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medication regularly, had 20 minute exercise previous day,
eat very little carb.

Am I Type I or what? How can I tell?

4-5 years ago, when I was diagnosed Type II, little bit of
exercise and diet, my BG was around normal. Now it's
getting worst, very hard to bring

it

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down below 200. Many food gives me bloating, lot of
gas, very

embarrassing,

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some times headaches. I have to stay away from coffee, get
jittery.

JS

You need to be under a Doctor's care. Your BGs are not
under control.

"Szaki" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:oJ_Ec.9187$7t3.887@attbi_s51...

Quoted message said:

I only had a small plate of beef stew with vegies at
9:00PM for diner.

Gave

Quoted message said:

me bloating and lot of gas. Measured my BG at 01:00
AM (241),

Stayed up late more, couldn't sleep. Fall in sleep at
5:00AM in the

morning,

Quoted message said:

slept till 13:00PM , felt like a zombi, measured BG (215).
So fasting for

16

Quoted message said:

hours and my BG only going down from 241 to 215 does not
look good. Took

my

Quoted message said:

medication regularly, had 20 minute exercise previous day,
eat very little carb.

Am I Type I or what? How can I tell?

4-5 years ago, when I was diagnosed Type II, little bit of
exercise and diet, my BG was around normal. Now it's
getting worst, very hard to bring

it

Quoted message said:

down below 200. Many food gives me bloating, lot of
gas, very

embarrassing,

Quoted message said:

some times headaches. I have to stay away from coffee, get
jittery.

Your Dr. could do tests to tell if you are type 1. But with
the gas and bloating, I would suspect some sort of
digestion problem. Perhaps you have neuropathy that affects
the stomach?

--
Type 2 users.bestweb.net~jboveOpen ↗

Szaki wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

I only had a small plate of beef stew with vegies at 9:00PM
for diner. Gave me bloating and lot of gas. Measured my BG
at 01:00 AM (241),

Stayed up late more, couldn't sleep. Fall in sleep at
5:00AM in the

morning,

Quoted message said:

slept till 13:00PM , felt like a zombi, measured BG (215).
So fasting for

16

Quoted message said:

hours and my BG only going down from 241 to 215 does not
look good. Took my medication regularly, had 20 minute
exercise previous day, eat very little carb.

Am I Type I or what? How can I tell?

4-5 years ago, when I was diagnosed Type II, little bit of
exercise and diet, my BG was around normal. Now it's
getting worst, very hard to bring

it

Quoted message said:

down below 200. Many food gives me bloating, lot of gas,
very embarrassing, some times headaches. I have to stay
away from coffee, get jittery.

JS

It's difficult to tell the difference between an adult-
onset Type 1 and an adult-onset Type 2 at "First
Diagnosis". Later, it becomes easier as the pills and
standard Type 2 therapies start to fail and the
patient must "go on insulin" rather quickly as his
Honeymoon ends.

Children can undergo a 1 week honeymoon. Mine, at age 53,
lasted 3-4 years. One of the fellows in my T1 Support Group
had a 6-year honeymoon but he was 75 at "First Diagnosis".

A 4-5 year deterioration sounds OK for an older Adult-Onset
T1, perhaps one in his 60's (That's a wild-eyed guess by an
engineer, by the way, not by a medical person). It seems a
bit long for a younger person though there are no hard and
fast rules (ask your genes about the particular rules which
apply to you).

Bloating and gas are not usually considered symptoms of Type
1. They are symptoms of the oral med Metformin. It's
supposed to be especially severe after a high carb meal, and
most beef stew is considered a high carb meal. (I make mine
with turnips instead of potatoes, btw. That converts it to a
low carb meal).

In any case, adult-onset Type 1 or Adult-onset Type 2, your
sugars are out-of-control and you need some help. You might
need more Type 2 oral meds, you might need some advice on
diet, you might need insulin. You definitely need a doctor's
attentions.

It may not even matter to your bG control whether you are
T1 or T2. If your beta's are mostly dead, you will need
insulin. They die slowly in the Type 2 Progression, they
die rapidly in the Type 1 Progression. The important fact
is that they die no matter what type you have.

All Type 2 will end up on insulin if they have the disease
long enough. Most T2 change their lifestyles in hope that
their progression can be delayed so that they need insulin
at age 90 instead of age 50. Your doctor can help you try to
figure out what's happening to you.

Many docs will walk up a T2's metformin dose to the max
(2500 mg/day), then try Actos or Avandia at max dose, and if
that won't control, add insulin. Of course, if you eat high
carb meals, the need for insulin comes quicker.

Regards
Old Al

The gas and bloating could be gastro-paresis - neuropathy
of the digestive system. That's what I had when I got
good and sick.

Jon

Szaki said:

I only had a small plate of beef stew with vegies at 9:00PM
for diner. Gave me bloating and lot of gas. Measured my BG
at 01:00 AM (241),

Stayed up late more, couldn't sleep. Fall in sleep at
5:00AM in the morning, slept till 13:00PM , felt like a
zombi, measured BG (215). So fasting for 16 hours and my BG
only going down from 241 to 215 does not look good. Took my
medication regularly, had 20 minute exercise previous day,
eat very little carb.

Am I Type I or what? How can I tell?

4-5 years ago, when I was diagnosed Type II, little bit
of exercise and diet, my BG was around normal. Now it's
getting worst, very hard to bring it down below 200. Many
food gives me bloating, lot of gas, very embarrassing,
some times headaches. I have to stay away from coffee,
get jittery.

JS

Hi Szaki

I've been watching your posts for a little while now, and I
sympathise. In among the various replies you've had, you may
have missed the two most important ones:

1. Am I type 1? This is a question you should be asking
your doctor. We may have some different experiences and
be able to offer some ideas, but specific diagnosis like
that is the doctor's job. See the doc, have the tests
done, follow their advice on meds and insulin.

2. What should I eat? A number of people have told you to
follow Jennifer's "test, test, test" advice. I'll repeat
it with a link below. You mention various menus and diet
items in other posts, but you seem to miss the fact that
"vegetables" can be both high-carb starches (and high
BGs) and low carb - like greens and salads. The only way
to find out what you need to change in your diet is to
follow the testing advice at: alt-support-alt-support-Open ↗
diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm . You can believe, or
dispute, what people tell you but it's hard to argue
with a spike on your meter. Once you know what you
cannot eat, you can add in other things to make up any
nutrients you may lose by deleting that item.

So, in simple terms, see your doctor - and eat to your
meter.

Good luck,

Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.
--
Remove weight and carbs to email. dx May 2002 , A1C
8.2=>5.9, wt 117kg=>92kg, Diet and not enough exercise. I
have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience.
Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an
expensive teacher.

Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

I just read all the replies to your question and all of em
missed one thing... My diabetes educator told me (Type 2,
btw) NOT to let more than 5 hours go without eating
something. Longer than that and you "provoke" an episode of
"Dawn Phenomena" aka liver dump, where the body dumps
glucose into the blood stream to give you the energy to get
"up and at em" in the morning, or that last surge of energy
to attempt and find something to eat when you're starving.

Now depending on activity levels, etc. "I" was told I could
have 75g of carbs for meals and 45 for snacks. I do quite
well on 35-45 for meals and 20-30 for snacks... (I'm in the
90's all the time now)

That being said, they DID make a good point, in that your
numbers show you're NOT under control. You still need to
check with your Doc, and if $$$'s a concern, I'm sure
there are free clinics around that could help) Whether
you're T2, T1 or somewhere in between is for the Docs to
figure out, not us...

Szaki said:

I only had a small plate of beef stew with vegies at 9:00PM
for diner. Gave me bloating and lot of gas. Measured my BG
at 01:00 AM (241),

Stayed up late more, couldn't sleep. Fall in sleep at
5:00AM in the morning, slept till 13:00PM , felt like a
zombi, measured BG (215). So fasting for 16 hours and my BG
only going down from 241 to 215 does not look good. Took my
medication regularly, had 20 minute exercise previous day,
eat very little carb.

Am I Type I or what? How can I tell?

4-5 years ago, when I was diagnosed Type II, little bit
of exercise and diet, my BG was around normal. Now it's
getting worst, very hard to bring it down below 200. Many
food gives me bloating, lot of gas, very embarrassing,
some times headaches. I have to stay away from coffee,
get jittery.

JS

What's neuropathy? Some thing to do with the nerves system?

JS

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"Szaki" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:oJ_Ec.9187$7t3.887@attbi_s51...

Quoted message said:

I only had a small plate of beef stew with vegies at
9:00PM for diner.

Gave

Quoted message said:

me bloating and lot of gas. Measured my BG at 01:00 AM
(241),

Stayed up late more, couldn't sleep. Fall in sleep at
5:00AM in the

morning,

Quoted message said:

slept till 13:00PM , felt like a zombi, measured BG
(215). So fasting

for

Quoted message said:

16

Quoted message said:

hours and my BG only going down from 241 to 215 does not
look good. Took

my

Quoted message said:

medication regularly, had 20 minute exercise previous
day, eat very

little

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

carb.

Am I Type I or what? How can I tell?

4-5 years ago, when I was diagnosed Type II, little bit
of exercise and diet, my BG was around normal. Now it's
getting worst, very hard to

bring

Quoted message said:

it

Quoted message said:

down below 200. Many food gives me bloating, lot of
gas, very

embarrassing,

Quoted message said:

some times headaches. I have to stay away from coffee,
get jittery.

Your Dr. could do tests to tell if you are type 1. But
with the gas and bloating, I would suspect some sort of
digestion problem. Perhaps you

have

Quoted message said:

neuropathy that affects the stomach?

--
Type 2 users.bestweb.net~jboveOpen ↗

<<and most beef stew is considered a high carb meal. (I make
mine with turnips instead of potatoes, btw. That converts it
to a low carb meal).>>

Turnips are low carb? No ptotatoes in mine, only beef and
vegtables for the side, some sour cream. I notice foods that
have red paprika in it, like stews, gives me bloating most
of the time. Not all ways. Some times I get periods 2-3
days, seems I can eat any thing and feel good, energetic.
This afternoon me and my wife went to the lake, spend some
6-7 hours there , some bicycling, tried some fishing, no
catch, so generaly just playing around. Came home, behold my
BG was 114. Now I had dinner, broiled chicken, vegetables,
cheez, stuffed olives. I buy frosen vegetables, mostly mixed
types, peas, corn, green beans etc..., they high on fiber.
Microwave it, melt some cheez over it, some apple souce,
piece of chicken or fish next to it, makes a great quick
meal. See tomorrow morning how my BG re-act. Looks like, I
need very low carb meals, lots of long, extended exercises
on the fresh air. Medication allone don't do much. Untill
than, thanks for the good advice.

JS

"oldal4865" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2kjl88F367veU1@uni-
berlin.de...

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Szaki wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

I only had a small plate of beef stew with vegies at
9:00PM for diner.

Gave

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

me bloating and lot of gas. Measured my BG at 01:00
AM (241),

Stayed up late more, couldn't sleep. Fall in sleep at
5:00AM in the

morning,

Quoted message said:

slept till 13:00PM , felt like a zombi, measured BG
(215). So fasting for

16

Quoted message said:

hours and my BG only going down from 241 to 215 does not
look good. Took

my

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

medication regularly, had 20 minute exercise previous
day, eat very

little

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

carb.

Am I Type I or what? How can I tell?

4-5 years ago, when I was diagnosed Type II, little bit
of exercise and diet, my BG was around normal. Now it's
getting worst, very hard to bring

it

Quoted message said:

down below 200. Many food gives me bloating, lot of
gas, very

embarrassing,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

some times headaches. I have to stay away from coffee,
get jittery.

JS

It's difficult to tell the difference between an adult-
onset Type 1

and

Quoted message said:

an adult-onset Type 2 at "First Diagnosis". Later, it
becomes easier

as

Quoted message said:

the pills and standard Type 2 therapies start to fail and
the patient must "go on insulin" rather quickly as his
Honeymoon ends.

Children can undergo a 1 week honeymoon. Mine, at age 53,
lasted 3-4 years. One of the fellows in my T1 Support
Group had a 6-year honeymoon but he was 75 at "First
Diagnosis".

A 4-5 year deterioration sounds OK for an older Adult-
Onset T1, perhaps

one

Quoted message said:

in his 60's (That's a wild-eyed guess by an engineer, by
the way, not

by

Quoted message said:

a medical person). It seems a bit long for a younger
person though there are no hard and fast rules (ask your
genes about the particular rules

which

Quoted message said:

apply to you).

Bloating and gas are not usually considered symptoms of
Type 1. They

are

Quoted message said:

symptoms of the oral med Metformin. It's supposed to be
especially

severe

Quoted message said:

after a high carb meal, and most beef stew is considered a
high carb

meal.

Quoted message said:

(I make mine with turnips instead of potatoes, btw. That
converts it to a low carb meal).

In any case, adult-onset Type 1 or Adult-onset Type 2,
your sugars are out-of-control and you need some help. You
might need more Type 2 oral meds, you might need some
advice on diet, you might need insulin. You definitely
need a doctor's attentions.

It may not even matter to your bG control whether you are
T1 or T2. If
your beta's are mostly dead, you will need insulin. They
die slowly

in

Quoted message said:

the Type 2 Progression, they die rapidly in the Type 1
Progression. The important fact is that they die no matter
what type you have.

All Type 2 will end up on insulin if they have the disease
long enough. Most T2 change their lifestyles in hope that
their progression can be delayed so that they need insulin
at age 90 instead of age 50. Your

doctor

Quoted message said:

can help you try to figure out what's happening to you.

Many docs will walk up a T2's metformin dose to the max
(2500 mg/day), then try Actos or Avandia at max dose, and
if that won't control, add insulin. Of course, if you eat
high carb meals, the need for insulin comes quicker.

Regards
Old Al

Have you been treated and how?

JS

"JonK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The gas and bloating could be gastro-paresis - neuropathy
of the digestive system. That's what I had when I got good
and sick.

Jon

EZ said:

Now depending on activity levels, etc. "I" was told I could
have 75g of carbs for meals and 45 for snacks. I do quite
well on 35-45 for meals and 20-30 for snacks... (I'm in the
90's all the time now)

What meds and exercise are you doing?

Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
carbs to email.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

"Szaki" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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What's neuropathy? Some thing to do with the nerves
system?

Nerve damage. In a diabetic, it can be caused by high BG.

--
Type 2 users.bestweb.net~jboveOpen ↗

"Szaki" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

<<and most beef stew is considered a high carb meal. (I
make mine with turnips instead of potatoes, btw. That
converts it to a low carb meal).>>

Turnips are low carb? No ptotatoes in mine, only beef and
vegtables for the side, some sour

cream.

Quoted message said:

I notice foods that have red paprika in it, like stews,
gives me bloating most of the time. Not all ways. Some
times I get periods 2-3 days, seems I can eat any thing
and feel good, energetic. This afternoon me and my wife
went to the lake, spend some 6-7 hours there

,

Quoted message said:

some bicycling, tried some fishing, no catch, so generaly
just playing around. Came home, behold my BG was 114. Now
I had dinner, broiled chicken, vegetables, cheez, stuffed
olives. I buy frosen vegetables, mostly mixed types, peas,
corn, green beans

etc...,

Quoted message said:

they high on fiber. Microwave it, melt some cheez over it,
some apple

souce,

Quoted message said:

piece of chicken or fish next to it, makes a great quick
meal. See tomorrow morning how my BG re-act. Looks like, I
need very low carb meals, lots of long, extended exercises
on the fresh air. Medication allone don't do much. Untill
than, thanks for the good advice.

Your mixed vegetables contain carbs and if they were frozen,
they may well contain food starch to keep them from sticking
together. Applesauce contains carbs. So do olives. If you
eat just one serving of olives, no problem. Eat more than
that and you might have one.

--
Type 2 users.bestweb.net~jboveOpen ↗