Tubular puncture-resistent tires?

I use clinchers as training tires and help avoid flats by
inserting "Mr. Tuffy's". Often go several hundreds miles
between flats. They add weight but that is good for the
training. Makes the racing wheels feel feather lite and fast
on race day.

Ken

"Carlton Whitmore" <[email hidden]>
wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'm currently using Torelli 700x23 tires and Specialized
tubes. I'm

getting

Quoted message said:

flats on half of my rides. I took the tires off and
inspected the tape

over

Quoted message said:

the spokes and didn't see/feel any sharp edges. I ride on
city streets

with

Quoted message said:

glass and other debris. Any recommendations for punture-
resistent

tubulars?

Quoted message said:

Carlton.

"Carlton Whitmore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'm currently using Torelli 700x23 tires and Specialized
tubes. I'm

getting

Quoted message said:

flats on half of my rides. I took the tires off and
inspected the tape

over

Quoted message said:

the spokes and didn't see/feel any sharp edges. I ride on
city streets

with

Quoted message said:

glass and other debris. Any recommendations for punture-
resistent

tubulars?

Quoted message said:

Carlton.

Are the rims new? Sometimes the spokes are a bitt too long
for the nipples.

When the tube comes up to pressure, it pressess into the top
of the spoke - - BOOM!

rsquaerd

No, the rims definitely used. I pulled the tires off
completely and ran my finger over the tape and didn't feel
and spokes coming through so I don't think it's that.

"rsquared" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Carlton Whitmore" <[email hidden]>
wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'm currently using Torelli 700x23 tires and Specialized
tubes. I'm

getting

Quoted message said:

flats on half of my rides. I took the tires off and
inspected the tape

over

Quoted message said:

the spokes and didn't see/feel any sharp edges. I ride
on city streets

with

Quoted message said:

glass and other debris. Any recommendations for punture-
resistent

tubulars?

Quoted message said:

Carlton.

Are the rims new? Sometimes the spokes are a bitt too
long for the

nipples.

Quoted message said:

When the tube comes up to pressure, it pressess into the
top of the spoke - - BOOM!

rsquaerd

What is causing your flats? Is it punctures or rim cuts
caused from pinching? Tubulars are somewhat resistant to rim
cuts/pinch flats/snake bite. Any good clincher should be
fine if properly inflated. Shy away from light weight tires
for everyday use and the same goes for tubes. You must be
observant of where you ride and avoid visible rocks and
glass. Stay out of gravel clusters at intersections or
accumulated roadside debris. In my riding area the main
culprit is tiny 1/4 inch long pieces of wire that come from
disintegrating belted auto and truck tires. These are
invisible and lurk in small crevices on most road shoulders.
Mr. Tuffy's really help protect against these small
punctures.

Ken

"Carlton Whitmore" <[email hidden]>
wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'm currently using Torelli 700x23 tires and Specialized
tubes. I'm

getting

Quoted message said:

flats on half of my rides. I took the tires off and
inspected the tape

over

Quoted message said:

the spokes and didn't see/feel any sharp edges. I ride on
city streets

with

Quoted message said:

glass and other debris. Any recommendations for punture-
resistent

tubulars?

Quoted message said:

Carlton.

"Carlton Whitmore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

No, the rims definitely used. I pulled the tires off
completely and ran my finger over the tape and didn't feel
and spokes coming through so I don't think it's that.

"rsquared" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Carlton Whitmore" <[email hidden]>
wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'm currently using Torelli 700x23 tires and
Specialized tubes. I'm

getting

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

flats on half of my rides. I took the tires off and
inspected the tape

over

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the spokes and didn't see/feel any sharp edges. I ride
on city streets

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

glass and other debris. Any recommendations for punture-
resistent

tubulars?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Carlton.

Are the rims new? Sometimes the spokes are a bitt too
long for the

nipples.

Quoted message said:

When the tube comes up to pressure, it pressess into the
top of the spoke - - BOOM!

rsquaerd

Fair enough; I do believe you would have seen this before
now. Since the rims are not new or recently relaced, it must
be something else.

However, it is unlikely that you could completely dismiss
"high spokes" without removing the tape to inspect them. It
tends to happen when the inflated tube & rim-strip (tape)
bulges _down_ into the rim hole. It would take allot of
excess threads to get the top of the spoke over the level
of the rim.

Good Luck,

rsquared

Any of you guys tried the specialized armadillo tires? I
have been thinking about getting a set for my mountain bike
(i seem to get at least 1 thorn per ride). They make road
versions too. But if you all have experience w/ Mr. Tuffy I
would be curious to hear about that too.

roger

IMKen said:

What is causing your flats? Is it punctures or rim cuts
caused from pinching? Tubulars are somewhat resistant to
rim cuts/pinch flats/snake bite. Any good clincher should
be fine if properly inflated. Shy away from light weight
tires for everyday use and the same goes for tubes. You
must be observant of where you ride and avoid visible
rocks and glass. Stay out of gravel clusters at
intersections or accumulated roadside debris. In my riding
area the main culprit is tiny 1/4 inch long pieces of wire
that come from disintegrating belted auto and truck tires.
These are invisible and lurk in small crevices on most
road shoulders. Mr. Tuffy's really help protect against
these small punctures.

Ken

"Carlton Whitmore" <[email hidden]>
wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'm currently using Torelli 700x23 tires and Specialized
tubes. I'm

getting

Quoted message said:

flats on half of my rides. I took the tires off and
inspected the tape

over

Quoted message said:

the spokes and didn't see/feel any sharp edges. I ride on
city streets

with

Quoted message said:

glass and other debris. Any recommendations for punture-
resistent

tubulars?

Quoted message said:

Carlton.

--
to email me remove the "dot" from roger.cortesi in
roger.cortesi.com

I have worn out many sets of Specialized Armadillos and most
have had the added protection of Mr. Tuffys. Good results
with both for high mileage road training tires. When I set
out for 100 plus mile rides I don't want to be bothered by
flats. The extra weight is just another training enhancement
that will make your bike seem incredibly fast when you do
switch to racing wheels.

Ken

"Roger Cortesi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:2004070820240616807%roger2@rogercortesicom...

Quoted message said:

Any of you guys tried the specialized armadillo tires? I
have been thinking about getting a set for my mountain
bike (i seem to get at least 1 thorn per ride). They make
road versions too. But if you all have experience w/ Mr.
Tuffy I would be curious to hear about that too.

roger

IMKen said:

What is causing your flats? Is it punctures or rim cuts
caused from pinching? Tubulars are somewhat resistant to
rim cuts/pinch

flats/snake

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

bite. Any good clincher should be fine if properly
inflated. Shy away from light weight tires for everyday
use and the same goes for tubes.

You

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

must be observant of where you ride and avoid visible
rocks and glass.

Stay

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

out of gravel clusters at intersections or accumulated
roadside debris.

In

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

my riding area the main culprit is tiny 1/4 inch long
pieces of wire

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

come from disintegrating belted auto and truck tires.
These are

invisible

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and lurk in small crevices on most road shoulders. Mr.
Tuffy's really help protect against these small
punctures.

Ken

"Carlton Whitmore" <[email hidden]>
wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'm currently using Torelli 700x23 tires and
Specialized tubes. I'm

getting

Quoted message said:

flats on half of my rides. I took the tires off and
inspected the tape

over

Quoted message said:

the spokes and didn't see/feel any sharp edges. I ride
on city streets

with

Quoted message said:

glass and other debris. Any recommendations for punture-
resistent

tubulars?

Quoted message said:

Carlton.

--
to email me remove the "dot" from roger.cortesi in
roger.cortesi.com

I BOUGHT SOME ARMIDILLOS THEY WORKED GREAT FOR THE TIME THEY LASTED WHICH WAS ABOUT 550 MILES NEVER HAD A FLAT, LIVE IN THE COUNTRY SO IM UP AGAINST THORNS , GLASS, NAILS,, AND GRAVEL AROUND 550 MILES TREAD WAS WORN DOWN AND ON OUTER EDGE STARTED PEELING OFF THESE TIRES WERE 700X23C I ALSO HAD SOME GATOR SKINS LAST YEAR THAT I PUT OVER 800 MILES AND COUNTING THEY WERE 700X25C JUST ALITTLE BIGGER BUT THEYVE LASTED BUT I ALSO WEIGH 250 LBS SO THAT COULD BE WHY THOSE SMALL ARMIDILLOS DIDNT LAST THAT LONG EITHER WAY IM GOING WITH THE GATOR SKINS NEXT TIME I BUY

Hamifla said:

I BOUGHT SOME ARMIDILLOS THEY WORKED GREAT FOR THE TIME THEY LASTED WHICH WAS ABOUT 550 MILES NEVER HAD A FLAT, LIVE IN THE COUNTRY SO IM UP AGAINST THORNS , GLASS, NAILS,, AND GRAVEL AROUND 550 MILES TREAD WAS WORN DOWN AND ON OUTER  EDGE STARTED PEELING OFF THESE TIRES WERE 700X23C I ALSO HAD SOME GATOR SKINS LAST YEAR THAT I PUT OVER 800 MILES AND COUNTING THEY WERE 700X25C JUST ALITTLE BIGGER BUT THEYVE LASTED BUT I ALSO WEIGH 250 LBS SO THAT COULD BE WHY THOSE SMALL ARMIDILLOS DIDNT LAST THAT LONG EITHER WAY IM GOING WITH THE GATOR SKINS NEXT TIME I BUY

First, turn off the caps lock as it's the internet equivalent of yelling. Second, 800 miles isn't much on a set of tires, so I'd keep watching the Gatorskins. I'd also check to be sure you're inflating to a pressure appropriate for your size. Further, I'd recommend next time going for 28mm Continental Grand Prix 4-Season tires. They're excellent tires that will ride better than the Gatorskins since they're wider and have a more supple casing. They still offer great puncture resistance and great mileage. The Grand Prix 4-Seasons are arguably Conti's best all-around road tire.

Ok thanks for the info I'll have to try those four seasons out. Sorry for yelling I'll try n keep my voice down