Maveric-Style Sus: Anybody actually riding one?

PeteCresswell said:

I'm wondering how the rear bob compares to, say, a pivot-arm sus like
Ellsworth's ISIS.

Ain't none!
No, seriously. I've riden my Palomino for a year plus, and I don't
notice it. Never did. On the few test rides I did before getting it
(Sugar, a friends GT, couple others) it was obvious. Not claiming its
the best suspension or anything, but I've liked it.

Shawn

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PeteCresswell said:

I'm wondering how the rear bob compares to, say, a pivot-arm sus like
Ellsworth's ISIS.

Ain't none!
No, seriously. I've riden my Palomino for a year plus, and I don't
notice it. Never did. On the few test rides I did before getting it
(Sugar, a friends GT, couple others) it was obvious. Not claiming its
the best suspension or anything, but I've liked it.

I'd just like to second this. I wuv my Palomino and I've never noticed any
bob.

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I'm wondering how the rear bob compares

A friend of mine has one and I asked him about it a couple of weeks ago. He
did not feel bob was an issue and commented that he really felt the
suspension design helped him 'hook up' on climbs. FWIW

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I'm wondering how the rear bob compares

A friend of mine has one and I asked him about it a couple of weeks ago. He
did not feel bob was an issue and commented that he really felt the
suspension design helped him 'hook up' on climbs. FWIW

Agreed. Can't say that that's so much a Maverick feature though. Most
suspensions are going to help some. I know the Maverick line on there
suspension is that rear-and-up wheel path helps.

Shawn

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I'm wondering how the rear bob compares

A friend of mine has one and I asked him about it a couple of weeks ago. He
did not feel bob was an issue and commented that he really felt the
suspension design helped him 'hook up' on climbs. FWIW

"hook up" standing or sitting?

Greg

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"hook up" standing or sitting?

Greg

He didn't say, hence the FWIW.

It seems to me that you might disagree with his observation for one or both
of those situations. Why?

G.T. said:

"hook up" standing or sitting?

How about horizontal?

;-)
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"hook up" standing or sitting?

Greg

He didn't say, hence the FWIW.

It seems to me that you might disagree with his observation for one or

both

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of those situations. Why?

Would you like me to limit my analysis to just the URT aspect of the
Maverick?

Greg

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I'm wondering how the rear bob compares

A friend of mine has one and I asked him about it a couple of weeks
ago. He
did not feel bob was an issue and commented that he really felt the
suspension design helped him 'hook up' on climbs. FWIW

"hook up" standing or sitting?

Greg

My experience is; Noticably better than a hardtail in both
circumstances. I won't say relative to other FS designs since I don't
have that experience. this isn't an Mtbr review after all.
;-)

Shawn

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"hook up" standing or sitting?

Greg

He didn't say, hence the FWIW.

It seems to me that you might disagree with his observation for one or

both

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of those situations. Why?

Would you like me to limit my analysis to just the URT aspect of the
Maverick?

Greg

Is your analysis based on having ridden a Maverick design and enough
other FS bikes to the extent that you can differentiate the URT aspect
from all the other variables? If so, go for it. Otherwise I don't
think it would contribute to the discussion.

Shawn

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I'm wondering how the rear bob compares

A friend of mine has one and I asked him about it a couple of weeks ago. He
did not feel bob was an issue and commented that he really felt the
suspension design helped him 'hook up' on climbs. FWIW

"hook up" standing or sitting?

Greg

Both. I've watched the Angry Man ride his Palomino in all kinds of
conditions. That said though, the Palomino didn't even last a year
under him. He cracked the gusset at the seat tube/bottom bracket.

JD

G.T. said:

Would you like me to limit my analysis to just the URT aspect of the
Maverick?

Go for it.

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>I'm wondering how the rear bob compares

A friend of mine has one and I asked him about it a couple of weeks ago. He
did not feel bob was an issue and commented that he really felt the
suspension design helped him 'hook up' on climbs. FWIW

"hook up" standing or sitting?

Greg

Both. I've watched the Angry Man ride his Palomino in all kinds of
conditions. That said though, the Palomino didn't even last a year
under him. He cracked the gusset at the seat tube/bottom bracket.

JD

It is a Trek after all.

Shawn

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>I'm wondering how the rear bob compares

A friend of mine has one and I asked him about it a couple of weeks

ago. He

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did not feel bob was an issue and commented that he really felt the
suspension design helped him 'hook up' on climbs. FWIW

"hook up" standing or sitting?

Greg

Both. I've watched the Angry Man ride his Palomino in all kinds of
conditions.

I think Angry Man is an absolutely incredible rider and I think his skills
hide the flaws of the Palomino.

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That said though, the Palomino didn't even last a year
under him. He cracked the gusset at the seat tube/bottom bracket.

And I'm not even considering engineering or workmanship.

Greg

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>"hook up" standing or sitting?
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>Greg

He didn't say, hence the FWIW.

It seems to me that you might disagree with his observation for one or

both

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of those situations. Why?

Would you like me to limit my analysis to just the URT aspect of the
Maverick?

Greg

Is your analysis based on having ridden a Maverick design and enough
other FS bikes to the extent that you can differentiate the URT aspect
from all the other variables? If so, go for it. Otherwise I don't
think it would contribute to the discussion.

I've ridden, let me see, 4 different FS designs extensively (original
Manitou FS, GT STS, DBR 4-bar, 5 Spot rocker arm), 3 others to a moderate
extent (i-Drive, Schwinn Homegrown, high single-pivot Weyless), and 3 types
for long tests including the first Trek FS (with the elastomer shock and
ultra-high pivot, forget the model), the first Trek Y-bike when it came out,
and a Maverick.

I'll just keep to the "hook up" aspect since my other analyses on a.m-b have
covered other stuff. Nothing compares to a low-pivot standard FS whether
it's a 4 bar or the old school double-shocked Manitou when it comes to
hooking up whether standing or sitting. The Y-bike was the worst of the
lot.

To get back to Pete's original question I was unhappy with that guy named
Bob until I got my 5 Spot. It's stable enough even standing that I am no
longer in pursuit of any anti-Bob personnel.

Greg

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>>"hook up" standing or sitting?
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>>Greg
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>He didn't say, hence the FWIW.
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>It seems to me that you might disagree with his observation for one or

both

>of those situations. Why?
>

Would you like me to limit my analysis to just the URT aspect of the
Maverick?

Greg

Is your analysis based on having ridden a Maverick design and enough
other FS bikes to the extent that you can differentiate the URT aspect
from all the other variables? If so, go for it. Otherwise I don't
think it would contribute to the discussion.

I've ridden, let me see, 4 different FS designs extensively (original
Manitou FS, GT STS, DBR 4-bar, 5 Spot rocker arm), 3 others to a moderate
extent (i-Drive, Schwinn Homegrown, high single-pivot Weyless), and 3 types
for long tests including the first Trek FS (with the elastomer shock and
ultra-high pivot, forget the model), the first Trek Y-bike when it came out,
and a Maverick.

I'll just keep to the "hook up" aspect since my other analyses on a.m-b have
covered other stuff. Nothing compares to a low-pivot standard FS whether
it's a 4 bar or the old school double-shocked Manitou when it comes to
hooking up whether standing or sitting. The Y-bike was the worst of the
lot.

To get back to Pete's original question I was unhappy with that guy named
Bob until I got my 5 Spot. It's stable enough even standing that I am no
longer in pursuit of any anti-Bob personnel.

Greg

I think that's "contributing to the discussion"
:-)
Re the OP: On my ride today, about 1000 feet of climbing on smooth dirt
and single track in and out of the saddle, about a mile of roller
coaster fire road, and a single track descent, I was really trying to
determine if the suspension moved with the pedals. Just didn't feel or
see it. BTW the frame is only a couple months old, being a warranty for
the original. That's another story

Shawn

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To get back to Pete's original question I was unhappy with that guy named
Bob until I got my 5 Spot. It's stable enough even standing that I am no
longer in pursuit of any anti-Bob personnel.

I hear you loud and clear for the 5 Spot, but if that is not an option for
him, what is the next best thing? I guess I am asking that since you have
ridden other similar suspension designs and weren't as satisfied with them
as you are the 5 Spot, what separates it from the pack for you?

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To get back to Pete's original question I was unhappy with that guy named
Bob until I got my 5 Spot. It's stable enough even standing that I am no
longer in pursuit of any anti-Bob personnel.

I hear you loud and clear for the 5 Spot, but if that is not an option for
him, what is the next best thing?

I'm an advocate of basic 4 bar or rocker arm FSes. I'd actually get that
Ventana X5 trail bike at this point, much lower standover height than my 5
Spot, but it appears to not have a water bottle mount on the downtube.
That's actually a big reason I got my Turner, it's hot out and the more
liquids the better. I also prefer non-interrupted seat tube bikes because
I can drop my seat further.

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I guess I am asking that since you have
ridden other similar suspension designs and weren't as satisfied with them
as you are the 5 Spot, what separates it from the pack for you?

I like that it works well everywhere and with a Romic shock (or other
similar shock) it has minimal bob.

Greg

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I'm an advocate of basic 4 bar or rocker arm FSes.

That might be a small understatement!

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I like that it works well everywhere and with a Romic shock (or other
similar shock) it has minimal bob.

Those are solid reasons to like it.