Carbon Cranks / Lifetime Warranty

CarbonLORD said:

Please visit

Buyer beware. Following are emails showing with whom you're dealing if
you deal with "CarbonLord."

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Here's an example of his ethical business sense:

From: carbonLORD ([email hidden])
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Date: 2002-10-04 11:40:44 PST

....email me, I can reproduce any single color decal at my design firm.
Last time I extended the favor for some Campy ones, a guy named Chuck
ratted me out and Campy called me on it but no worries, I don't
advertise for this kind of work and will do it for cost, on the
materials and shipping for a fellow cyclist in need.

Thanks

sabin/cL

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Following is an email from this group where someone exposed "CarbonLORD"
trying to pull off an impersonation.

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From: Chuck Schmidt ([email hidden])
Subject: Sabin West/Carbon LORD: Perpetrating a Fraud!
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Date: 2002-10-03 00:31:12 PST

Sabin West/Carbon LORD: Perpetrating a Fraud

Talk about a complete lack of integrity! Sabin West created a fraudulent
post using my name and email. Check for yourself the complete headers
copied below of his two posts he made 9 minutes apart today.

CORRECTION: Make that THREE minutes apart.

Hope you're proud of yourself, Sabin. As the saying goes, "Actions speak
louder than words!"

Chuck Schmidt
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From:
Chuck Schmidt <[email hidden]>
Newsgroups:
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Subject:
***Updated US Currency Reprints***
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That's right, not only am I able to offer Campagnolo reprints, I will
now be offering reprints of our American dollar.

Chuck Schmidt
South Pasadena, Southern California
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From:
carbonLORD <[email hidden]>
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Why don't you just e-mail Peter direct like you did me? No one cares to
watch you try and look legitimate. Conduct your business in private.
Post your fraudulent materials here.

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"CarbonLORD" also frequently calls people up and threatens them or their
families:

From: Steven L. Sheffield ([email hidden])
Subject: Re: Carbonlord out there?
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Date: 2002-07-09 09:31:14 PST

In article <[email hidden]>,

Steven L. Sheffield said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Alan said:

Anyone know what happen the Sabin West? Haven't seen his post in a

while and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

no replys to emails.

He probably got hit with too many warranty claims on his cranks.

After making the above comment this past Friday, I just received a call
at home from Sabin West.

When I refused to accept the call, I received the following e-mail.

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From: "Carbon LORD" <[email hidden]>
To: [email hidden]
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"He probably got hit with too many warranty claims on his cranks."

Even if I had, I would back them all Steve, but thats not the case so
save the assumptions please. Next time I call, I trust you will not
be "indisposed" with the stomach flu? Never make reference to me or
the products I represent again if you do not wish to hear from me.
Otherwise, I expect some great new products to be available late
summer at a competitive price indeed.

s/cL

For what it's worth, I do have the stomach flu, which is why I'm
actually AT home on a Tuesday morning at 10:00 am.

This is my response, sent both privately, and publicly:

Sabin --

You have a very public history of aggressively attacking and belittling
anyone who makes a comment that can be considered negative towards the
cranks that you sell.

Then you virtually disappeared from rec.bicycles.marketplace.

Someone made an inquiry. With your public history, which can be
verified by reading any number of the threads posted at
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=carbonlord@hotm
ail.com+warranty, you cannot expect that there won't be someone who'll
make a wisecrack.

So I cracked wise about the cranks. At least I didn't personally attack
you as did a number of people who responded to my quick comment.

Are you going to call all of them at home as well?

I'm only going to tell you this once. Never call me or my family again.

--

Dude,

The guy CARES about selling cranks, and CARES about getting your money. If
something goes wrong with them he CARES not one bit about honoring the
warranty and has/will find a way to tell you that you've voided the warranty
by putting them on your bike, or by looking at them with tinted glasses.

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hey Jay, why do you care to try to "warn" people about Sabin?

He's sells a pretty good product, his ebay rating is 100%.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws1/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=carbonlord

Yeah sure he's passionate about his products but I'd rather buy from a
guy like him who actually CARES about his product line than someone
who just sells whatever comes their way.

I'm amazed at the restraint he's shown lately actually.

Did you have a problem with his cranks?

Be glad we have an alternative place to buy some biking parts from.

**and NO, I'm not a friend or a paid endorsement for him**

I just think some (pretty much you) are sticking your nose where it
has no business.

Cheers.

Quoted message said:

CarbonLORD said:

Please visit

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