BBC Breakfast TV - Helmets

Ian G Batten said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Keith Willoughby said:

It did? I thought she was pointing out his vampiric qualities.

Enough people see a linkage between that and the blood libel to make it
questionable.

Eh? WTF are you on about?

James

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:17:31 +0000 (UTC), Ian G Batten
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

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bet you can't remember who was
being overruled, and about which issue

Director of the prison service, on the sacking of a governor. Can't
remember the name of the rpson service bloke. Derek Lewis?

Guy
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:26:54 +0900, James Annan
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Enough people see a linkage between that and the blood libel to make it
questionable.

Quoted message said:

Eh? WTF are you on about?

A mediaeval antisemitic myth (google for blood libel, plenty of
sources).

Guy
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:39:33 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

bet you can't remember who was
being overruled, and about which issue

Quoted message said:

Director of the prison service, on the sacking of a governor. Can't
remember the name of the rpson service bloke. Derek Lewis?

Ah, and here it is in full for Paxman fans everywhere:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/video/newsnight/howard.ram

A superb example of Operation Spiked Pit: first asks Howard if he has
ever lied, then gives the facts which show that one or other of them
(Lewis or Howard) was lying, then asked Howard outright whether what
Lewis said was true - and Howard falls straight into the hole.
Genius!

Guy
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Just zis Guy said:

Quoted message said:

bet you can't remember who was
being overruled, and about which issue

Director of the prison service, on the sacking of a governor. Can't
remember the name of the rpson service bloke. Derek Lewis?

I seem to recall Martin Nairy was involved, but I may be wrong. Over
what issue was the governer being sacked, and why was it a scandal?
I honestly can't recall.

ian

In article <[email hidden]>,

Just zis Guy said:

mediaeval

If only. http://fp.thebeers.f9.co.uk/blood_libel.htm

ian

In news:[email hidden],
Just zis Guy, you know? <[email hidden]> typed:

Quoted message said:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:26:54 +0900, James Annan
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Enough people see a linkage between that and the blood libel to
make it questionable.

Quoted message said:

Eh? WTF are you on about?

A mediaeval antisemitic myth (google for blood libel, plenty of
sources).

As opposed to the current view that it's acceptable to call someone from
Romania a vampire.* (And just as I type this, an Amazon ad in a browser
window tells me to buy a Buffy book)

Ambrose

*obviously this is less offensive than the blood libel, but it still doesn't
mean it's polite.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Just zis Guy said:

A superb example of Operation Spiked Pit: first asks Howard if he has
ever lied, then gives the facts which show that one or other of them
(Lewis or Howard) was lying, then asked Howard outright whether what
Lewis said was true - and Howard falls straight into the hole.
Genius!

For debate Usenet-style, yes. Later Paxman will be along to tell us the
name of the politician who hasn't lied. ``Politician tells lies'' is
only news if you're still reeling from the revelation that Santa Claus
is actually your dad. But it's all good knockabout stuff.

ian

Just zis Guy said:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:26:54 +0900, James Annan
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Enough people see a linkage between that and the blood libel to make it
questionable.

Quoted message said:

Eh? WTF are you on about?

A mediaeval antisemitic myth (google for blood libel, plenty of
sources).

Well that put me in my place. Having never heard of it before, and
noting that it has been aimed at a wide range of ethnic groups and is
not related in any way to vampirism, I contend that Ian Batten's
imagined slight is rather speculative at best.

James

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:51:58 +0000 (UTC), Ian G Batten
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

I seem to recall Martin Nairy was involved, but I may be wrong. Over
what issue was the governer being sacked, and why was it a scandal?
I honestly can't recall.

Martin Neary was the organist at Westminster Abbey, there was lots of
fuss about his sacking; Martin Nairy? I don't recall him being
controversial.

I don't recall what the problem was at Parkhurst, but I think it might
have been riots.

Guy
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in message <[email hidden]>, Ian G Batten

(') said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Keith Willoughby said:

It did? I thought she was pointing out his vampiric qualities.

Enough people see a linkage between that and the blood libel to make
it questionable.

Isn't this taking paranoid conspiracy theories just a little too far?

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mae <[email hidden]> wedi ysgrifennu:

Quoted message said:

In news:[email hidden],
Robert Bruce <[email hidden]> typed:

Quoted message said:

mae <[email hidden]> wedi ysgrifennu:

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Howard is almost certainly a
vampire. I'm sure of it ;-)

For those unaware of the evidence for this:

<snip link to Transylvania>

So it's OK to be anti-Romanian, then? Good to hear it.

A

Ah come on. Michael Howard comes across as one of those incredibly camp
vampires from a low budget 'seventies Hammer Horror film. That's funny. It
turns out that his father was from Transylvania, where, traditionally,
vampires are said to originate. That's ironic and therefore adds to the
humour. There is not a hint of anti-Romanianism(?) about this.

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Just zis Guy said:

Eh? I read it as an attack on vampires. Howard is almost certainly a
vampire. I'm sure of it ;-)

Him and Norman Tebbit. Those stories about him having been an airline pilot
are horse - the only flying he ever did is coz he can transmute himself into
a bat at will.

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Just zis Guy said:

Director of the prison service, on the sacking of a governor. Can't
remember the name of the rpson service bloke. Derek Lewis?

An FLJS chum swears that Paxo only asked Count Howard the same question
fourteen times because he couldn't think of anything else to say...

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in message <[email hidden]>, Ian G Batten

(') said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Just zis Guy said:

A superb example of Operation Spiked Pit: first asks Howard if he has
ever lied, then gives the facts which show that one or other of them
(Lewis or Howard) was lying, then asked Howard outright whether what
Lewis said was true - and Howard falls straight into the hole.
Genius!

For debate Usenet-style, yes. Later Paxman will be along to tell us
the
name of the politician who hasn't lied. ``Politician tells lies'' is
only news if you're still reeling from the revelation that Santa Claus
is actually your dad. But it's all good knockabout stuff.

Actually, seriously, it isn't. It's the death of democracy in the UK.
We're becoming so (justifiably) cynical about our politicians because
our political culture has become so childish, petty and deceitful that
we no longer have any respect either for the politicians or the
process, which is why so many people don't bother to vote.

We desperately, urgently, need politicians with higher standards of
personal ethics: people who are not afraid to admit their mistakes;
people who do not either lie or use carefully constructed statements to
decieve. The problem is that, even if such people were attracted to
politics, they could not rise to the top in our present system.

But this is _way_ off topic.

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Quoted message said:

Actually, seriously, it isn't. It's the death of democracy in

the UK.

Quoted message said:

We're becoming so (justifiably) cynical about our politicians

because

Quoted message said:

our political culture has become so childish, petty and

deceitful that

Quoted message said:

we no longer have any respect either for the politicians or

the

Quoted message said:

process, which is why so many people don't bother to vote.

We desperately, urgently, need politicians with higher

standards of

Quoted message said:

personal ethics: people who are not afraid to admit their

mistakes;

Quoted message said:

people who do not either lie or use carefully constructed

statements

Quoted message said:

to decieve. The problem is that, even if such people were

attracted to

Quoted message said:

politics, they could not rise to the top in our present

system.

Quoted message said:

But this is _way_ off topic.

Hey, you can't whack in something like that then imply that its
all so
off topic no one should reply!

IMHO voter apathy/low turnout in elections is a sign of a mature
and
stable political democracy and social and economic wellbeing &
consensus. For proof, look what happens every time the BNP come
along -
higher turnout to stop 'em getting (back) in and the rest of the
time it
doesn't matter about voting 'cos there is so much consensus
between the
parties. Blue Labour and the New Conservatives further prove my
point.
Whilst they claim to disagree vehemently with each others
policies, no
one can actually tell them apart.[1]

Mark.

[1] It's true. I asked a colour blind person and he said
they're very
slightly different shades of grey.

PS
Whilst readers of this ng may disagree vehemently with my
position there
is so much consensus between our differing opinions, and the
whole thing
is _way_ too off topic, that it really isn't worth posting a
reply to
disagree.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Simon Brooke said:

Actually, seriously, it isn't. It's the death of democracy in the UK.
We're becoming so (justifiably) cynical about our politicians because
our political culture has become so childish, petty and deceitful that
we no longer have any respect either for the politicians or the
process, which is why so many people don't bother to vote.

Anyone clever enough to be a politician is clever enough to do something
more interesting, more lucrative and more relaxing instead. Why do you
think Tony gets to be Prime Minister, while Cherie is a high powered
barrister?

Quoted message said:

We desperately, urgently, need politicians with higher standards of
personal ethics: people who are not afraid to admit their mistakes;
people who do not either lie or use carefully constructed statements to
decieve. The problem is that, even if such people were attracted to
politics, they could not rise to the top in our present system.

Unfortunately, honest politicians are more dangerous than bent ones.
Bent ones usually spend their time filling their own pockets, and let
the country run itself. Which, usually, it manages pretty well. It's
the ones that _believe_ in things --- Blair, Bush Jr --- who are the
menace, because they believe they have a direct line to righteousness.

Quoted message said:

But this is _way_ off topic.

It's not. The reason why transport policy in this country is bust is
because the politicians are stupid and dishonest.

ian

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:05:03 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>
wrote (more or less):

Quoted message said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Ian G Batten

(') said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Keith Willoughby said:

It did? I thought she was pointing out his vampiric qualities.

Enough people see a linkage between that and the blood libel to make
it questionable.

Isn't this taking paranoid conspiracy theories just a little too far?

It remind sme of the US Anti-defamation League boycotting David Icke
for saying some world-leaders turn into lizards.

Because it was an 'anti-semitic' statement.

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On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:05:03 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>
wrote (more or less):

Quoted message said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Ian G Batten

(') said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Keith Willoughby <[email hidden]> wrote:
> It did? I thought she was pointing out his vampiric qualities.

Enough people see a linkage between that and the blood libel to make
it questionable.

Isn't this taking paranoid conspiracy theories just a little too far?

It remind sme of the US Anti-defamation League boycotting David Icke
for saying some world-leaders turn into lizards.

Because it was an 'anti-semitic' statement.

Come again? How did they work _that_ one out?

Although, come to think of it, perhaps he and they deserve one another.

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Just zis Guy, you know? [email hidden] opined the
following...

Quoted message said:

A superb example of Operation Spiked Pit: first asks Howard if he has
ever lied, then gives the facts which show that one or other of them
(Lewis or Howard) was lying, then asked Howard outright whether what
Lewis said was true - and Howard falls straight into the hole.
Genius!

I have little time for Paxman, I much prefer the old vanguard of the
Today Program, but that is truely entertaining. The almost comic pause
between each repetition of "Did you threaten to overrule him?" and the
slight movements of Paxman each time he asks it. Fantastic!

Jon