Best rider spring 2004

(Kenny) said:

now the first (classic) part of the season is behind us, who's the man
of the season so far?

1. Davide Rebellin
2. Tom Boonen
3. Michael Boogerd

Boogerd won nothing, so he can't be there.
I'd say:
1. Rebellin
2. Boonen
3. Wesemann

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now the first (classic) part of the season is behind us, who's the man
of the season so far?

1. Davide Rebellin
2. Tom Boonen
3. Michael Boogerd

The top two in that order. Not sure about Boogerd, as he hasn't actually won
a race this year. 2nd in Amstel, Liege and Brabantse Pijl ain't too bad, but
it's not the same as a win. Wesemann, Backstedt and Freire have all at least
won big races.

Jeff

Kenny wondered:

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who's the man of the season so far?

Manzano

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now the first (classic) part of the season is behind us, who's the man
of the season so far?

1. Davide Rebellin
2. Tom Boonen
3. Michael Boogerd

The top two in that order. Not sure about Boogerd, as he hasn't actually won
a race this year. 2nd in Amstel, Liege and Brabantse Pijl ain't too bad, but
it's not the same as a win. Wesemann, Backstedt and Freire have all at least
won big races.

Jeff

yeah i know. but you have to admit he is really strong. And he
already riding at a high level since the E3 in Harelbeke or even
earlier. Freire and Backsted had two good days and that's about it.
Boogerd deserves better cause he has allways an attractive way of
racing. Pitty for him he's not a PVP-like finisher.

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now the first (classic) part of the season is behind us, who's the man
of the season so far?

1. Davide Rebellin
2. Tom Boonen
3. Michael Boogerd

Chris Horner

Davide Tosi said:

(Kenny) said:

now the first (classic) part of the season is behind us, who's the
man of the season so far?

1. Davide Rebellin
2. Tom Boonen
3. Michael Boogerd

Boogerd won nothing, so he can't be there.
I'd say:
1. Rebellin
2. Boonen
3. Wesemann

4. George!

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yeah i know. but you have to admit he is really strong. And he
already riding at a high level since the E3 in Harelbeke or even
earlier. Freire and Backsted had two good days and that's about it.
Boogerd deserves better cause he has allways an attractive way of
racing. Pitty for him he's not a PVP-like finisher.

I admit he's really strong, and he's always there in the finale. He
definitely scores points for consistency and aggressiveness. I'd put Freire
in front of him though, based on results.

If we were considering non-classics riders I'd probably give Armstrong a
mention too (say in fourth place).

Jeff

Jeff Jones said:

If we were considering non-classics riders I'd probably give Armstrong
a mention too (say in fourth place).

What, before Jaksche and Valverde?

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Jeff Jones said:

If we were considering non-classics riders I'd probably give Armstrong
a mention too (say in fourth place).

What, before Jaksche and Valverde?

And Bettini, Zabel, Voigt, Menchov, Boogerd, Julich. I'd put them all in
fourth place :-). Actually looking at the top 100 riders of 2004, Armstrong
is 32nd so he probably shouldn't rate very highly in this poll, despite
winning a bunch sprint. Shows how important recent results are!

I'm also pretty impressed with Jens Voigt, who I'd always considered a
strong rider but definitely not a climber, beating Armstrong to the top of
Brasstown Bald on Saturday.

Jeff

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Jeff Jones said:

If we were considering non-classics riders I'd probably give Armstrong
a mention too (say in fourth place).

What, before Jaksche and Valverde?

And Bettini, Zabel, Voigt, Menchov, Boogerd, Julich. I'd put them all in
fourth place :-). Actually looking at the top 100 riders of 2004, Armstrong
is 32nd so he probably shouldn't rate very highly in this poll, despite
winning a bunch sprint. Shows how important recent results are!

I'm also pretty impressed with Jens Voigt, who I'd always considered a
strong rider but definitely not a climber, beating Armstrong to the top of
Brasstown Bald on Saturday.

Makes you wonder what Riis will make of that, huh?

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1. Davide Rebellin
2. Tom Boonen
3. Michael Boogerd

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The top two in that order. Not sure about Boogerd, as he hasn't actually won
a race this year. 2nd in Amstel, Liege and Brabantse Pijl ain't too bad, but
it's not the same as a win. Wesemann, Backstedt and Freire have all at least
won big races.

Boogerd for best domestique. I hope Rebellin at least
sends him a nice Christmas card.

Dekker for Most Disappointed Guy in the World (but too
classy to say it).

Kenny said:

now the first (classic) part of the season is behind us, who's the man
of the season so far?

1. Davide Rebellin
2. Tom Boonen
3. Michael Boogerd

4. Phillip Thuaux

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If we were considering non-classics riders I'd probably give Armstrong a
mention too (say in fourth place).

Jeff

Huh?? what for? two 2.3 wins and that's it. Which is of course
great in comparison to Ullrich, but in comparison to others that
doesn't mean much.

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Dekker for Most Disappointed Guy in the World (but too
classy to say it).

??? Come on, the guy came back from nowhere. He attacked on the
cipressa and finished top-10 in Flanders, Gold Race and LBL. Now
that's means much more than winning the tour of Georgia.

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If we were considering non-classics riders I'd probably give Armstrong a
mention too (say in fourth place).

Jeff

Huh?? what for? two 2.3 wins and that's it. Which is of course
great in comparison to Ullrich, but in comparison to others that
doesn't mean much.

I agree (see other post). But you gotta admit he gets bonus points for
winning a bunch sprint :-)

Jeff

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If we were considering non-classics riders I'd probably give Armstrong a
mention too (say in fourth place).

Jeff

Huh?? what for? two 2.3 wins and that's it. Which is of course
great in comparison to Ullrich, but in comparison to others that
doesn't mean much.

I agree (see other post). But you gotta admit he gets bonus points for
winning a bunch sprint :-)

Jeff

With a pretty good bike throw, too. Looked like he'd been doing that one
for years (heh).

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Dekker for Most Disappointed Guy in the World (but too
classy to say it).

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??? Come on, the guy came back from nowhere. He attacked on the
cipressa and finished top-10 in Flanders, Gold Race and LBL. Now
that's means much more than winning the tour of Georgia.

I mean, this is no slam on Dekker. Three times he was the strong
guy in the second group (okay, third group in Amstel), but in
Flanders the other guys had teammates up the road and wouldn't work,
and in Amstel and LBL, his teammate was up the road and made a
botch of it. I have to think that if Erik had had just a bit
more to get into the first selection, that he would have taken
out one of those races.

Benjamin Weiner said:

Dekker for Most Disappointed Guy in the World (but too
classy to say it).

There was some controversy in the papers, but on his website Dekker
refuted any possible bad feelings between him and Boogerd. Quote: "It's
all still a game." Sorry, too lazy (or busy actually) to translate all.

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Dekker for Most Disappointed Guy in the World (but too
classy to say it).

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??? Come on, the guy came back from nowhere. He attacked on the
cipressa and finished top-10 in Flanders, Gold Race and LBL. Now
that's means much more than winning the tour of Georgia.

I mean, this is no slam on Dekker. Three times he was the strong
guy in the second group (okay, third group in Amstel), but in
Flanders the other guys had teammates up the road and wouldn't work,
and in Amstel and LBL, his teammate was up the road and made a
botch of it. I have to think that if Erik had had just a bit
more to get into the first selection, that he would have taken
out one of those races.

Dekker is going to get what's coming to him. I bet two tablespoonfuls
of Vegemite that he wins one of those first three Liegesque stages in
the Tour this year, and earns the yellow jersey in the process.