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Turn in again tomorrow as Cunego drives hard toward the finish line
only to hurt Popovych more, but not his beloved Saeco teammate, Gibo
Simoni.

You have to wonder how long the team will keep insisting that Simoni is the
man this year. He doesn't really seem to have it right now and Cunego does.
They're going to have some interesting decisions to make in the next few days
unless Simoni really lights it up.
Bill C

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Turn in again tomorrow as Cunego drives hard toward the finish line
only to hurt Popovych more, but not his beloved Saeco teammate, Gibo
Simoni.

You have to wonder how long the team will keep insisting that Simoni is

the

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man this year. He doesn't really seem to have it right now and Cunego

does.

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They're going to have some interesting decisions to make in the next few

days

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unless Simoni really lights it up.
Bill C

Simoni will not win this Giro. The way he sits on the bike reminds me very
much of Andy Hampsten, which is to say, he look great. Wouldn't it be
interesting to see him in this year's Tour?

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Turn in again tomorrow as Cunego drives hard toward the finish line
only to hurt Popovych more, but not his beloved Saeco teammate, Gibo
Simoni.

You have to wonder how long the team will keep insisting that Simoni is

the

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man this year. He doesn't really seem to have it right now and Cunego

does.

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They're going to have some interesting decisions to make in the next few

days

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unless Simoni really lights it up.
Bill C

Simoni will not win this Giro. The way he sits on the bike reminds me

very

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much of Andy Hampsten, which is to say, he look great. Wouldn't it be
interesting to see him in this year's Tour?

By he, I mean Cunego.

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>From: [email hidden] (Richard Adams)

>Turn in again tomorrow as Cunego drives hard toward the finish line
>only to hurt Popovych more, but not his beloved Saeco teammate, Gibo
>Simoni.

You have to wonder how long the team will keep insisting that Simoni is

the

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man this year. He doesn't really seem to have it right now and Cunego

does.

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They're going to have some interesting decisions to make in the next few

days

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unless Simoni really lights it up.
Bill C

Simoni will not win this Giro. The way he sits on the bike reminds me

very

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much of Andy Hampsten, which is to say, he look great. Wouldn't it be
interesting to see him in this year's Tour?

By he, I mean Cunego.

Cunego is much more complete than Hampsten, he already outsprinted a bunch
of 50 riders a couple of times. Andy couldn't do that.
When it come to style, race strategy and technique Damiano reminds of
Bugno. Unfortunately he's 15 cm shorter than Gianni and he pays that in the
TTs. But hopefully his mind seems to be more focused on cygling than the
one of ladies man Bugno.
Anyway, I see Cunego winning lots of Classics and Grand Tours in the next 2
decades.

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Turn in again tomorrow as Cunego drives hard toward the finish line
only to hurt Popovych more, but not his beloved Saeco teammate, Gibo
Simoni.

You have to wonder how long the team will keep insisting that Simoni is

the

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man this year. He doesn't really seem to have it right now and Cunego

does.

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They're going to have some interesting decisions to make in the next few

days

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unless Simoni really lights it up.
Bill C

What will be interesting is whether Cunego has the depth to hang for the
next few stages. He could possibly be the Nozal of the '03 Vuelta or the
Evans of the '02 Giro. At least the pressure on him is relatively low. The
toughest part of the Giro is yet to come.

No matter the outcome, he's had a sensational race.

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You have to wonder how long the team will keep insisting that
Simoni is the man this year. He doesn't really seem to have it right
now and Cunego does. They're going to have some interesting
decisions to make in the next few days unless Simoni really lights
it up.

http://www.gazzetta.it/primi_piani/ciclismo/2004/pp_1.0.390356063.shtml

"Ci tenevo a vincere questo Giro - ha detto Simoni al traguardo - ma
ormai il gioco è per Damiano. Purtroppo lui ha fatto tutto quello che
pensavo io. Ma oggi l'eroe non è solo lui ma tutta la squadra.

Should be on cyclingnews.com soon, but roughly translated: "I wanted
to win this Giro" - Simoni said at the finish line - "but at this
point the game is for Damiano. Unfortunately, he did all the things
that I thought. But today he's not the only hero, but the whole team"

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Should be on cyclingnews.com soon, but roughly translated: "I wanted
to win this Giro" - Simoni said at the finish line - "but at this
point the game is for Damiano. Unfortunately, he did all the things
that I thought. But today he's not the only hero, but the whole team"

--
David N. Welton

Bravo for Simoni. That is the action of a man with class.
Looks like no Lemond/Hinault soap opera here unless Cunego cracks and I don't
think he will.
Bill C

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Should be on cyclingnews.com soon, but roughly translated: "I wanted to
win this Giro" - Simoni said at the finish line
- "but at this point the game is for Damiano. Unfortunately, he did all
the things that I thought. But today he's not the only hero, but the
whole team"

In a few years, I wonder, someone might count Giro '04 as a
"virtual" win.

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> >Turn in again tomorrow as Cunego drives hard toward the finish line
> >only to hurt Popovych more, but not his beloved Saeco teammate, Gibo
> >Simoni.
>
> You have to wonder how long the team will keep insisting that Simoni

is

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the
> man this year. He doesn't really seem to have it right now and Cunego
does.
> They're going to have some interesting decisions to make in the next

few

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days
> unless Simoni really lights it up.
> Bill C

Simoni will not win this Giro. The way he sits on the bike reminds me

very

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much of Andy Hampsten, which is to say, he look great. Wouldn't it be
interesting to see him in this year's Tour?

By he, I mean Cunego.

Cunego is much more complete than Hampsten, he already outsprinted a bunch
of 50 riders a couple of times. Andy couldn't do that.
When it come to style, race strategy and technique Damiano reminds of
Bugno. Unfortunately he's 15 cm shorter than Gianni and he pays that in

the

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TTs. But hopefully his mind seems to be more focused on cygling than the
one of ladies man Bugno.
Anyway, I see Cunego winning lots of Classics and Grand Tours in the next

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decades.

I agree with you assesment. However, I was referring to the way he sits on
the bike. There is a proportionality that makes him look good, much the way
Bugno also did. He reminds me more of Andy due to his smaller stature.
Elegant young rider to watch.

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> > >Turn in again tomorrow as Cunego drives hard toward the finish

line

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> > >only to hurt Popovych more, but not his beloved Saeco teammate,

Gibo

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> > >Simoni.
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> > You have to wonder how long the team will keep insisting that

Simoni

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> > man this year. He doesn't really seem to have it right now and

Cunego

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> does.
> > They're going to have some interesting decisions to make in the

next

few

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> > unless Simoni really lights it up.
> > Bill C
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> Simoni will not win this Giro. The way he sits on the bike reminds

me

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very
> much of Andy Hampsten, which is to say, he look great. Wouldn't it

be

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> interesting to see him in this year's Tour?

By he, I mean Cunego.

Cunego is much more complete than Hampsten, he already outsprinted a
bunch
of 50 riders a couple of times. Andy couldn't do that.
When it come to style, race strategy and technique Damiano reminds of
Bugno. Unfortunately he's 15 cm shorter than Gianni and he pays that in

the

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TTs. But hopefully his mind seems to be more focused on cygling than the
one of ladies man Bugno.
Anyway, I see Cunego winning lots of Classics and Grand Tours in the
next

2

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decades.

I agree with you assesment. However, I was referring to the way he sits
on
the bike. There is a proportionality that makes him look good, much the
way
Bugno also did. He reminds me more of Andy due to his smaller stature.
Elegant young rider to watch.

I've taped this and will enjoy watching it. What I want to know is did
Simoni hang back in order to keep Popovych with him and let Cunego go
free? In other words, could Simoni have also won the stage, had he wanted
to? If Simoni took off too early, perhaps Popvych would've tried to keep
pace.

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>> > >Turn in again tomorrow as Cunego drives hard toward the finish
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>> > >only to hurt Popovych more, but not his beloved Saeco teammate,
Gibo
>> > >Simoni.
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>> > You have to wonder how long the team will keep insisting that
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Cunego
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>> > They're going to have some interesting decisions to make in the
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>> > unless Simoni really lights it up.
>> > Bill C
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>> Simoni will not win this Giro. The way he sits on the bike reminds
me
>very
>> much of Andy Hampsten, which is to say, he look great. Wouldn't it
be
>> interesting to see him in this year's Tour?
>
>By he, I mean Cunego.

Cunego is much more complete than Hampsten, he already outsprinted a
bunch
of 50 riders a couple of times. Andy couldn't do that.
When it come to style, race strategy and technique Damiano reminds of
Bugno. Unfortunately he's 15 cm shorter than Gianni and he pays that in

the

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TTs. But hopefully his mind seems to be more focused on cygling than

the

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one of ladies man Bugno.
Anyway, I see Cunego winning lots of Classics and Grand Tours in the
next

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decades.

I agree with you assesment. However, I was referring to the way he sits
on
the bike. There is a proportionality that makes him look good, much the
way
Bugno also did. He reminds me more of Andy due to his smaller stature.
Elegant young rider to watch.

I've taped this and will enjoy watching it. What I want to know is did
Simoni hang back in order to keep Popovych with him and let Cunego go
free? In other words, could Simoni have also won the stage, had he wanted
to? If Simoni took off too early, perhaps Popvych would've tried to keep
pace.

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Liggett was commenting that he expected Simoni to bridge up to Cunego but he
did not. I suspect that he just didn't have the legs, although that may
have been the plan. Good day of racing. It certainly beats the Petacchi
boredom.

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Liggett was commenting that he expected Simoni to bridge up to Cunego but

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did not. I suspect that he just didn't have the legs, although that may
have been the plan. Good day of racing. It certainly beats the Petacchi
boredom.

He didn't close the gap, as the others in his group were able to keep up
wiwth him, the two times he made moves, and that would have endangered
Cunego's advantage.
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Sandy
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Should be on cyclingnews.com soon, but roughly translated: "I wanted
to win this Giro" - Simoni said at the finish line - "but at this
point the game is for Damiano. Unfortunately, he did all the things
that I thought. But today he's not the only hero, but the whole team"

In a way they both might be getting their opportunities. If Cunego can win
the Giro, that will satisfy the Saeco sponsors and leave Simoni free to
finish the race as prep for the Tour in July.

Anybody have a clue as to why Wegmann absolutely buried himself on the flats
with the Cunego group that had 2 other Saecos, only to pop like a balloon well
before they even got to the final climb? Phil couldn't figure it out. Perhaps
Wegmann is pitching for a switch to Saeco or Saeco offered reparations? Or is
he just a dope?

Wayne

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Anybody have a clue as to why Wegmann absolutely buried himself on the

flats

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with the Cunego group that had 2 other Saecos, only to pop like a balloon

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before they even got to the final climb? Phil couldn't figure it out.

Perhaps

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Wegmann is pitching for a switch to Saeco or Saeco offered reparations? Or

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he just a dope?

Wayne

Wegmann is not a climber and wasn't going to pick up any points on the final
climb regardless. By helping Saeco out, they'll let him attack early and
pick up a few more mountain points to ensure he holds the Green.

-T

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Anybody have a clue as to why Wegmann absolutely buried himself on the

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with the Cunego group that had 2 other Saecos, only to pop like a balloon

well

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before they even got to the final climb? Phil couldn't figure it out.

Perhaps

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Wegmann is pitching for a switch to Saeco or Saeco offered reparations? Or

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he just a dope?

Wegmann is no dope, even though the mountains themselves may prevent him
from getting the jersey:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/giro04/?id=results/livecomp16 (16:08
CEST)
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/may04/may26news2

P+P should pay more attention ;-)

Jeff

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Should be on cyclingnews.com soon, but roughly translated: "I wanted to
win this Giro" - Simoni said at the finish line
- "but at this point the game is for Damiano. Unfortunately, he did all
the things that I thought. But today he's not the only hero, but the
whole team"

In a few years, I wonder, someone might count Giro '04 as a
"virtual" win.

Not likely. Someone suggested he may turn out like Nozal - he is nothing like
Nozal. Nozal had 5'13" in hand at the end of the second ITT and lost it all in
the mountains. Cunego was 1'48 behind Popovych after the ITT, then turned it
into a 2'22 advantage the next day. That's not just a matter of being inspired
by the maglia rosa, and it certainly wasn't a matter of luck that he was able to
shed 145 people off his wheel just by turning his pedals. He took the wheels of
his teammates, he joined and left people, but it looked to me like he didn't
even see them and he didn't care - he just rode to the front of the race with
perfect steadiness and control, as if he were possessed, and didn't let up until
he crossed the line.

-Sonarrat.

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Should be on cyclingnews.com soon, but roughly translated: "I wanted

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win this Giro" - Simoni said at the finish line
- "but at this point the game is for Damiano. Unfortunately, he did

all

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the things that I thought. But today he's not the only hero, but

the

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whole team"

In a few years, I wonder, someone might count Giro '04 as a
"virtual" win.

Not likely. Someone suggested he may turn out like Nozal - he is nothing

like

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Nozal. Nozal had 5'13" in hand at the end of the second ITT and lost it

all in

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the mountains. Cunego was 1'48 behind Popovych after the ITT, then turned

it

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into a 2'22 advantage the next day. That's not just a matter of being

inspired

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by the maglia rosa, and it certainly wasn't a matter of luck that he was

able to

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shed 145 people off his wheel just by turning his pedals. He took the

wheels of

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his teammates, he joined and left people, but it looked to me like he

didn't

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even see them and he didn't care - he just rode to the front of the race

with

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perfect steadiness and control, as if he were possessed, and didn't let up

until

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he crossed the line.

-Sonarrat.

He looks quite good. Another Gimondi perhaps. Lets hope he has a long and
exciting (attacking) career.

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Should be on cyclingnews.com soon, but roughly translated: "I

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win this Giro" - Simoni said at the finish line
- "but at this point the game is for Damiano. Unfortunately, he did

all

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the things that I thought. But today he's not the only hero, but

the

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whole team"

In a few years, I wonder, someone might count Giro '04 as a
"virtual" win.

Not likely. Someone suggested he may turn out like Nozal - he is
nothing like
Nozal. Nozal had 5'13" in hand at the end of the second ITT and lost it
all in
the mountains. Cunego was 1'48 behind Popovych after the ITT, then
turned it
into a 2'22 advantage the next day. That's not just a matter of being
inspired
by the maglia rosa, and it certainly wasn't a matter of luck that he was
able to
shed 145 people off his wheel just by turning his pedals. He took the
wheels of
his teammates, he joined and left people, but it looked to me like he
didn't
even see them and he didn't care - he just rode to the front of the race
with
perfect steadiness and control, as if he were possessed, and didn't let
up until
he crossed the line.

-Sonarrat.

He did ride darn hard, and he was pushing some big gears for as steep as
it was.

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Bob in CT
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