look how fat this guy is

Dave H said:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/jun04/tourdesuisse04/?id=stage9/
image21

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/jun04/tourdesuisse04/?id=stage9/
image20

also note position of front brake caliper

Well spotted (especially the front brake). When I see the muscles of Jan in
those pictures - this really looks unhealtily skin.

To paraphrase Swiss commentator Jean Claude LeClerq (former French
champion). In stage 7 Ben Day and Erwin Thijs were leading. Jean-Claude
made slightly fun of them: "If you look at the legs - the legs of anybody
who wants to win such a stage should look different [They are too fat].
They must train harder".

"While I was in the area for interviews after last stage, I saw Jan Ullrich
changing jerseys. For all those, who think, that he has much overweight
[obviously referring to Riis comments] - I can assure you - there is not
much fat on his body"

Dieter

Dave H said:

also note position of front brake caliper

Sorry for the second answer to the same post.

This also reminds me to Pulnikov (sp?). Can you remember him? He showed
really big talent - then changed to Telekom, and we did not see much of him
anymore (This seems to be typical of riders changing to Telekom). In one
time trial of the TdS he started with only one brake (I forgot if it was
front or back). This also resulted in some discussion, whether this would
be allowed or not.

Dieter

Dave H said:

also note position of front brake caliper

tt riders have done that for years... I doubt it makes much of a
difference though. Be carful making sharp turns as the brake can jam
under the down tube.

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Dave H said:

also note position of front brake caliper

tt riders have done that for years... I doubt it makes much of a
difference though. Be carful making sharp turns as the brake can jam
under the down tube.

gees? really? no kidding?
Dave

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 20:24:23 GMT, "Dave H" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/jun04/tourdesuisse04/?id=stage9/image21

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/jun04/tourdesuisse04/?id=stage9/image20

also note position of front brake caliper

Dave

If that's Ullrich, I'm going on a schnitzel diet. The front brake
looks to be one of the old Dura Ace AT centerpulls. Where do they get
those?

Robert

Robert Crim said:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 20:24:23 GMT, "Dave H" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/jun04/tourdesuisse04/?id=stage9/image21

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/jun04/tourdesuisse04/?id=stage9/image20

also note position of front brake caliper

Dave

If that's Ullrich, I'm going on a schnitzel diet. The front brake
looks to be one of the old Dura Ace AT centerpulls. Where do they get
those?

Robert

How the hell are you? You have certainly been missed.

Steve

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/jun04/tourdesuisse04/?id=stage9/image20

also note position of front brake caliper

Dave

Quoted message said:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/jun04/tourdesuisse04/?id=stage9/image21

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/jun04/tourdesuisse04/?id=stage9/image20

also note position of front brake caliper

Looking at the other pics he's also the only one not using a disc rear.

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/jun04/tourdesuisse04/?id=stage9/image20

also note position of front brake caliper

Dave

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave H said:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/jun04/tourdesuisse04/?id=stage9/image21

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/jun04/tourdesuisse04/?id=stage9/image20

also note position of front brake caliper

Dave

Yeah, he's a real tub of lard. His UCI legal aero helmet looks pretty
good, too. I wonder what the front brake is - it doesn't really look like a
dual pivot. Maybe Jeff Jones can do a "Bikes of TdS" and let us know
(hint..).

--
tanx,
Howard

"Copper will never be gold"
Shellac

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also note position of front brake caliper

Looking at the other pics he's also the only one not using a disc rear.

He did say it was pretty windy
Dave

Robert Crim said:

If that's Ullrich, I'm going on a schnitzel diet. The front brake
looks to be one of the old Dura Ace AT centerpulls. Where do they get
those?

Robert

I cannot imagine how they could mount a centrepull BEHIND
the fork. Even if it had an inegrated hanger, it would not
fit under the down tube. I think it is a side-pull and
probably just a standard dual pivot one at that.

steve

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/jun04/tourdesuisse04/?id=stage9/image21

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/jun04/tourdesuisse04/?id=stage9/image20

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also note position of front brake caliper

Dave

He doesn't look like he's carry'ing 1 ounce of fat

In article <[email hidden]>,

steve robertson said:

Robert Crim said:

If that's Ullrich, I'm going on a schnitzel diet. The front brake
looks to be one of the old Dura Ace AT centerpulls. Where do they get
those?

Robert

I cannot imagine how they could mount a centrepull BEHIND
the fork. Even if it had an inegrated hanger, it would not
fit under the down tube. I think it is a side-pull and
probably just a standard dual pivot one at that.

steve

It could be one that's been modified to take the cable wrong way around
- housing from the bottom. Or maybe a set of the old Magura HS66 hydraulics.

--
tanx,
Howard

"Copper will never be gold"
Shellac

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

It is Tektro dual pivot designed to pull from the side. I just built Jason
McCartney's on Monday for the TT That is what Gaint sent with it. It worked
quit well for a cheaper brake.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I cannot imagine how they could mount a centrepull BEHIND
the fork. Even if it had an inegrated hanger, it would not
fit under the down tube. I think it is a side-pull and
probably just a standard dual pivot one at that.

steve

It could be one that's been modified to take the cable wrong way around
- housing from the bottom. Or maybe a set of the old Magura HS66

hydraulics.

Quoted message said:

--
tanx,
Howard

"Copper will never be gold"
Shellac

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

In article <TauBc.88550$Sw.16638@attbi_s51>,

Ken Lefler said:

It is Tektro dual pivot designed to pull from the side. I just built Jason
McCartney's on Monday for the TT That is what Gaint sent with it. It worked
quit well for a cheaper brake.

Hey, thanks for the info. I guess we should have looked closer at this:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/jun04/USelite04/?id=mentt/KS_olymtria
ls21

--
tanx,
Howard

"Copper will never be gold"
Shellac

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/jun04/tourdesuisse04/?id=stage9/image20

also note position of front brake caliper

Dave

Doesn't matter.

If he gets dropped by Jeker, how do you think he'll fare in the Tour ?

Amit said:

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/jun04/tourdesuisse04/?id=stage9/image20

also note position of front brake caliper

Dave

Quoted message said:

Doesn't matter.

Quoted message said:

If he gets dropped by Jeker, how do you think he'll fare in the Tour ?

We'll win. He's not peaking for mid-June.

Bob Schwartz
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Hmmmm...ArmSTONG lost two minutes to Mayo....how do you think HE will
fare in the tour....

Why is it any different for Ullrich? When one-nut losses time, it's ok,
but when Ullrich loses 20 seconds, he's going to lose the tour? Come
on...do you really hear yourself..that's not even rational thinking...

Unless you were being sarcastic...

peace,
jamie

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Dave

Doesn't matter.

If he gets dropped by Jeker, how do you think he'll fare in the Tour ?

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Dave H said:

also note position of front brake caliper

Sorry for the second answer to the same post.

This also reminds me to Pulnikov (sp?). Can you remember him? He showed
really big talent - then changed to Telekom, and we did not see much of

him

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anymore (This seems to be typical of riders changing to Telekom). In one
time trial of the TdS he started with only one brake (I forgot if it was
front or back). This also resulted in some discussion, whether this would
be allowed or not.

I wonder what the stuff if about Lance and Jan. Clearly they are putting out
almost identical power. And, according to Bob Roll, Lance is actually
heavier than Jan.

Jan seems to generate a little more power and Lance seems able to be
slightly more aerodynamic. Jan seems able to climb slightly faster than
Lance in steady state but cannot accelerate or hold burst power anywhere
like Lance.

The way I see it, although Jan has a slight power advantage, Lance knows how
to use his own advantages to beat Jan. The unfortunate thing about this is
that there's precious little Jan can do about it. Lance only needs to sit on
Jan's wheel and sprint ahead of him at each mountain top finish. Lance can
either match or beat Jan in a flat TT and probably equal him in a rolling
TT.

L'Alpe d'Huez will go to Lance ahead of Jan.

I think that the real racing is going to be from the lesser lights and that
if Jan and Lance play too much cat and mouse someone like Tyler is going to
walk off with the prize.