TTT rules

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Quoted message said:

Contrary to what I thought, there is not one single maximum time loss
with regard to the winner for all teams in the TdF team time trial, but
rather there is a whole ladder of cut-off times for every placed team.
Every placing has its own maximum time loss. Either the team stays
within that limit and gets their real time, or it doesn't and gets the
predetermined maximum time for that placing. Here are the maximum gaps
to the winner:

2. 20"
3. 30" etcetera, +10" for every next team until:
13. 2'10
14. 2'15 etcetera, +5" until:
21. 2'50

So the second team could be 29.9 sec behind and gets +20", while the 3rd
team, finishing just 0.1 sec behind 2nd, gets no bonus at +30".

I don't think it will change any tactics in the TTT compared to the one
single max time difference, but it will sure stirr up more what-if
discussions during later stages.

This is the same formula that was used for the TTT of the 1985 Tour.
The results were as follows. The real time gaps are displayed first,
followed by the assigned predetermined time differences (in parentheses).

More data at
http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.net/eta_tdf_1984_1993/tdf1985_3.php

VITRE-FOUGERES, 73 km TTT
1. LA VIE CLAIRE-WONDER-RADAR en 1h30'09" (Moy : 48.585 km/h)
2. KWANTUM HALLEN-DECOSOL à 1'00" (10 s)
3. PANASONIC-RALEIGH à 1'03" (20s)
4. PEUGEOT-SHELL-MICHELIN à 1'12" (30 s)
5. CARRERA JEANS-INOXPRAN à 1'22" (40 s)
6. RENAULT-ELF à 1'22" (50 s)
7. LA REDOUTE à 1'24" (1.00)
8. HITACHI-SUNAIR-SPLENDOR à 2'10" (1.10)
9. LOTTO-EDDY MERCKX-CAMPAGNOLO à 2'24" (1.20)
10. SKIL-SEM-KAS à 2'52" (1.30)
11. VERANDALUX-NISSAN-DRIES à 2'52" (1.40)
12. FAGOR à 3'33" (1.50)
13. REYNOLDS-TS BATTERIES à 3'40" (2.00)
14. TÖNISSTEINER-TORHOUT/WERCHTER-BASF-MAVIC à 4'38" (2.10)
15. ZOR à 5'20" (2.20)
16. SANTINI-SELLE ITALIA-CONTI-GALLA à 5'52" (2.30)
17. CAFE DE COLOMBIA-VARTA-MAVIC à 6'24" (2.40)
18. SEAT-ORBEA à 7'19" (2.55)

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Roy Ellefsen

Roy Ellefsen said:

This is the same formula that was used for the TTT of the 1985 Tour.
The results were as follows.

I finally found http://www.letour.fr/2004/docs/reglement_us.pdf (via
Google, not linked from current site as far as I can see).

Interesting results: one team much better, so all other teams outside
their time limits; everyone gets pushed up the ladder onto the finely
spaced rungs. First team livid. I don't think we'll see that 1985
scenario this year, the playing field is more level (allegedly).

I said:

2. 20"
3. 30" etcetera, +10" for every next team until:
13. 2'10
14. 2'15 etcetera, +5" until:
21. 2'50

Hmm, that was from the "Programme Officiel du Tour 2004" (a publication
from the Société du TdF) that I ordered through journeaux.fr, but the
PDF I found on letour.fr says:

20’’ for the 2nd team
30’’ for the 3rd team
40’’ for the 4th team
50’’ for the 5th team
1’ for the 6th team
1’10 for the 7th team
1’20 for the 8th team
1’30 for the 9th team
1’40 for the 10th team
1’50 for the 11th team
2’00 for the 12th team
2’10 for the 13th team
2’20 for the 14th team
2’30 for the 15th team
2’35 for the 16th team
2’40 for the 17th team
2’45 for the 18th team
2’50 for the 19th team
2’55 for the 20th team
3’00 for the 21st team

Maybe there is a reason it's not linked from a current page...

Ewoud Dronkert said:

I don't think it will change any tactics in the TTT compared to the one
single max time difference, but it will sure stirr up more what-if
discussions during later stages.

Makes victory less meaningful. Will any serious GC contending team even
try (hard) to win the TTT, or will they save their horses for the other
stages where more time can be gained or lost?

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Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall
"We should not march into Baghdad. ... Assigning young soldiers to
a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it
could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater
instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"

Quoted message said:

Contrary to what I thought, there is not one single maximum time loss
with regard to the winner for all teams in the TdF team time trial, but
rather there is a whole ladder of cut-off times for every placed team.
Every placing has its own maximum time loss. Either the team stays
within that limit and gets their real time, or it doesn't and gets the
predetermined maximum time for that placing. Here are the maximum gaps
to the winner:

Hey, you've been listening to the Dutch championships commentary also!
Nice win for Dekker (Erik), he's in his "I just try something and somehow i win"-mode again.

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Quoted message said:

Contrary to what I thought, there is not one single maximum time loss
with regard to the winner for all teams in the TdF team time trial, but
rather there is a whole ladder of cut-off times for every placed team.
Every placing has its own maximum time loss. Either the team stays
within that limit and gets their real time, or it doesn't and gets the
predetermined maximum time for that placing. Here are the maximum gaps
to the winner:

2. 20"
3. 30" etcetera, +10" for every next team until:
13. 2'10
14. 2'15 etcetera, +5" until:
21. 2'50

So the second team could be 29.9 sec behind and gets +20", while the 3rd
team, finishing just 0.1 sec behind 2nd, gets no bonus at +30".

I don't think it will change any tactics in the TTT compared to the one
single max time difference, but it will sure stirr up more what-if
discussions during later stages.

Ewoud Dronkert said:

Maybe there is a reason it's not linked from a current page...

Actually, it is, otherwise Google wouldn't have found it. The race ->
rules & stakes
http://www.letour.com/2004/us/reglement.html

It's also interesting that riders that lose contact with their team
get their real time instead of benefitting from the time limits.

Jenko

Jenko said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe there is a reason it's not linked from a current page...

Actually, it is, otherwise Google wouldn't have found it. The race ->
rules & stakes http://www.letour.com/2004/us/reglement.html

Of course, that was the page I found too, but what I was trying to imply
by "current" was that it was not accessible from the homepage. It is
now; there's a totally different homepage since today.