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  1. Im getting a 20" trials uni but based on the KH saddle on my muni it
    doesnt sem like a good out in front saddle. Is the miayta or the Torker
    LX saddles best for out in front hopping? and does the torker LX saddle
    fit a regular rectangle shaped seat post, lets say like a KH seatpost?
    please help me!?😕

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  2. i use the kh. while many do prefer the miyata, the kh works great once
    you get used to it.

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  3. muniracer said:

    *i use the kh. while many do prefer the miyata, the kh works great
    once you get used to it. *

    ya, totally. i use the KH also, it works awesome for trials.

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  4. I haven't had any problems with the KH saddle.

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  5. mmmm... well I must be the only one or else you guys are messin with me,
    either or.

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  6. Alright, time for the first real review.

    I ride the KH saddle seat out trials abot 2 hours a day 6 days a week.
    Just yesterday I spent a good six hours riding trials on my Onza with a
    KH saddle. My hands have been callused from the cloth gripping my skin,
    and it can kinda hurt when I grip the saddle somethimes because of this.
    The problem with the KH saddle for seat out compared to the miyata and
    torker LX saddles is is that the KH saddle is gripped from the third
    knuckle rather than between the first and second. This makes falling
    seat out kinda painful. When you end up pulling hard on the saddle it
    pinches the skin and hurts sometimes (really teaches to have a relaxed
    grip, though), although otherwise it's a perfectly satisfactory ride. My
    saddle is grey, and i have a glove mark on one side from dirt rubbing
    from the glove to the seat, to give you an idea of how much I ride.

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  7. unless you modify your miyata, hopping seat out is infinitely more
    painful than the kh. even when the seat is modified, it is still just
    as comfortable than the kh. i ride both seats.

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  8. Keep in mind that the newer generation KH seats have a nicer lip on the
    side of the seat for hopping. I couldn't stand the first generation
    seats for seat in front, but I'd considering a newer model if my Miyata
    ever fails.

    Ben

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  9. Well I dont know what saddle I have (newer or older) My old KH saddle is
    yellow and I got it near the beginning of last year. now my new one is
    grey and says axiom on the front( what does that mean anyway? ) so
    which is newer??

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  10. Axiom is Norco's house brand of components.

    Norco distributes the Velo seats (on the KH unicycles they sell, not
    sure if they sell just the seats), so they rebadge it with Axiom on it.
    They do not make the seat, neither does unicycle.com...but if you get
    the seat from uni.com, chances are it says unicycle.com, not axiom.

    It may be something more than just distributing them, that puts their
    name on it, but it's something like that.

    On comfort...the KH saddle sure took some getting used to (having done
    trials a lot with a miyata), for doing trials on, with the back of the
    saddle being so large, but you get used to it after a few rides, and it
    is very comfortable.

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  11. Ben Plotkin-Swing said:

    *Keep in mind that the newer generation KH seats have a nicer lip on
    the side of the seat for hopping. I couldn't stand the first
    generation seats for seat in front, but I'd considering a newer model
    if my Miyata ever fails.

    Ben *

    Good point. I got to ride Kris's muni at moab, and the seat is much
    nicer than the last generation of them. Just a request, though. Is it
    possible to begin putting labels on the seats to identify what
    generation they are? I hate trying to figure it out.

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  12. gerblefranklin said:

    *
    Is it possible to begin putting labels on the seats to identify what
    generation they are? I hate trying to figure it out. *

    Now there's an idea, you should e-mail it to Kris. Or maybe he'll just
    see this?

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  13. gerblefranklin said:

    *

    Is it possible to begin putting labels on the seats to identify what
    generation they are? I hate trying to figure it out. *

    Good point- maybe I should do that! The next generation (not available
    yet) of saddles will be easy to recognize though because the will have
    removeable covers.

    Here's a brief history on this saddle:

    In 2000 (before Kris Holm Unicycles officially existed) I approached
    Norco, trying to find someone to make a good unicycle saddle. They
    weren't interested due to the perception, as always, that unicycling was
    too small to warrant any investment in product. After a year of
    bugging them, the President of Norco finally introduced me to Velo at
    the 2001 Interbike Tradeshow in Las Vegas. They weren't too interested
    either, but after another year of persuasion, they were convinced to
    look at some drawings of what I wanted, and Norco invested in the
    necessary molds to make the saddle.

    On the first prototypes and initial production models, I provided
    feedback to Norco who then forwarded changes to Velo, and so on. It
    was confusing and inefficient, but for the first time ever, there was
    ongoing time and money being invested into making a good production
    unicycle saddle.

    Finally, mid-2003 I bought Norco's control over molds and was able to
    control design directly with Velo. Although the saddle wasn't exactly
    perfect, now I finally had control over the design, and could more
    efficiently start to introduce the necessary improvements.

    Making these changes is slow and you often have to do one at a time- you
    would not believe the things that can potentially go wrong when you
    start mass producing products. However, for the first time we now have
    a saddle that can be improved through first-hand input from riders (plus
    a bit of $$ investment from KHU) , and that's a big difference from the
    Viscount and Miyata Saddles.

    The new (ie late 2003-2004) version of the KH saddle is really
    comfortable for trials- in my opinion it has a much more comfortable and
    easy to grip underside edge than either the Miyata or Viscount saddles,
    and with the rails bracket I find it more comfortable than my old
    carbonfibre airseat.

    Future versions will also have a removable seatcover and thicker, more
    comfortable front handle, and most likely ongoing improvements will
    continue to be made for the forseable future.

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  14. gerblefranklin said:

    *

    Is it possible to begin putting labels on the seats to identify what
    generation they are? I hate trying to figure it out. *

    Good point- maybe I should do that! The next generation (not available
    yet) of saddles will be easy to recognize though because the will have
    removeable covers.

    Here's a brief history on this saddle:

    In 2000 (before Kris Holm Unicycles officially existed) I approached
    Norco, trying to find someone to make a good unicycle saddle. They
    weren't interested due to the perception, as always, that unicycling was
    too small to warrant any investment in product. After a year of
    bugging them, the President of Norco finally introduced me to Velo at
    the 2001 Interbike Tradeshow in Las Vegas. They weren't too interested
    either, but after another year of persuasion, they were convinced to
    look at some drawings of what I wanted, and Norco invested in the
    necessary molds to make the saddle.

    On the first prototypes and initial production models, I provided
    feedback to Norco who then forwarded changes to Velo, and so on. It
    was confusing and inefficient, but for the first time ever, there was
    ongoing time and money being invested into making a good production
    unicycle saddle.

    Finally, mid-2003 I bought Norco's control over molds and was able to
    control design directly with Velo. Although the saddle wasn't exactly
    perfect, now I finally had control over the design, and could more
    efficiently start to introduce the necessary improvements.

    Making these changes is slow and you often have to do one at a time- you
    would not believe the things that can potentially go wrong when you
    start mass producing products. However, for the first time we now have
    a saddle that can be improved through first-hand input from riders (plus
    a bit of $$ investment from KHU) , and that's a big difference from the
    Viscount and Miyata Saddles.

    The new (ie late 2003-2004) version of the KH saddle is really
    comfortable for trials- in my opinion it has a much more comfortable and
    easy to grip underside edge than either the Miyata or Viscount saddles,
    and with the rails bracket I find it more comfortable than my old
    carbonfibre airseat.

    Future versions will also have a removable seatcover and thicker, more
    comfortable front handle, and most likely ongoing improvements will
    continue to be made for the forseable future.

    Kris Holm.

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  15. are they going to be any softer?? And alot stiffer than the old
    version??

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  16. WHEN WHEN WHEN?! I'm waiting to get this!

    Oh and are we going to get an OFFICIAL, "This is what is different about
    the new KH unicycle, seat, hub, cranks." With some pics perhaps?

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  17. dubmuni2004 said:

    *are they going to be any softer?? And alot stiffer than the old
    version?? *

    The model that unicycle.com most recently ordered (ie that is in stock
    now) is stiffer than previous models, and similar in stiffness to next
    year's.

    There was inconsistency in foam hardness with some of the earlier
    saddles, but that has been fixed so you may find the new saddles are
    softer. I guess the best way to describe it is that the new saddles
    have what is in my opinion the best compromise between softness and
    support (ie not too hard but bottoming out on the padding either, no pun
    intended!).

    In other words, if you bought your saddle before last August then the
    version that Unicycle.com currently has is better than the saddle you
    have, and the ones with removeable covers will be available by
    summer/fall.

    Kris.

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  18. So I would probably be able to make an airseat out of it right?? And you
    should make some different colors on the new saddles like, green,
    orange, maybe even white, that would be awsome!

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  19. dubmuni2004 said:

    *So I would probably be able to make an airseat out of it right?? And
    you should make some different colors on the new saddles like, green,
    orange, maybe even white, that would be awsome! *

    Why?! Do you want to pay an extra $5 just for a little more variety in
    the colors?! I don't. Grey, blue, red, and black are all that matters to
    me. Lately I've noticed the grey saddle goes with just about all unis.
    If you want more color bleach the things and do it yourself, but don't
    ask for more colors, because that'll increase production costs, and
    thus, increase the price for the consumer!

    Later

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  20. gerblefranklin said:

    *

    Why?! Do you want to pay an extra $5 just for a little more variety in
    the colors?! I don't. Grey, blue, red, and black are all that matters
    to me. Lately I've noticed the grey saddle goes with just about all
    unis. If you want more color bleach the things and do it yourself, but
    don't ask for more colors, because that'll increase production costs,
    and thus, increase the price for the consumer!

    Later *

    Actually, it's not that bad as long as you don't get too crazy about it.
    In the Kevlar side panels I can potentially do black, blue, grey,
    yellow, orange, red or green.

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