What was Lance Thinking in Stage 18?

"Infoquest" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:shjMc.312572$Gx4.74857
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Quoted message said:

Has anyone seen an interview with Lance explaining the reasons behind
following Simeoni up to the break?

He was trying to publically humiliate the guy. Plain and simple.

"Infoquest" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:shjMc.312572$Gx4.74857
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Quoted message said:

Has anyone seen an interview with Lance explaining the reasons behind
following Simeoni up to the break?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/tour04/?id=results/stage18

--
Mike Barrs

In article <[email hidden]>,

Infoquest said:

Has anyone seen an interview with Lance explaining the reasons behind
following Simeoni up to the break?

You see, if you read my blog, you'd get a great summary (see URL in
..sig).

Long story short: Simeoni accused Dr. Michele Ferrari of advising on
doping. Lance (who has had connections to Ferrari) said Simeoni was a
big liar. Simeoni has filed a lawsuit against Lance. That matter is
pending.

So when Simeoni jumped up to join the break, Lance chased him. The
presence of a GC hopeful in the break completely poisoned any chance it
had of getting away, so the break asked Simeoni to go back to the pack.
And when Simeoni returned to the peloton, Lance dropped off too, his
_work_ done.

The moral of the story? Don't [censored] Lance.

--
Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com
President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

Hinault said:

"Infoquest" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:shjMc.312572$Gx4.74857
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Quoted message said:

Has anyone seen an interview with Lance explaining the reasons behind
following Simeoni up to the break?

He was trying to publically humiliate the guy. Plain and simple.

hat's clear enough, but what was the deal with leaving the other six
guys to continue the breakaway? Could Lance have stayed with them and
possibly have won the stage? Or if he did, would it have compromised his
TT performance tomorrow? If so would winning or doing very well int the
TT likely be a better payoff for him?

Mike

Mike McGuire wrote:
|| Hinault wrote:
||| "Infoquest" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:shjMc.312572$Gx4.74857
||| @bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
|||
|||| Has anyone seen an interview with Lance explaining the reasons
|||| behind following Simeoni up to the break?
|||
|||
||| He was trying to publically humiliate the guy. Plain and simple.
|| hat's clear enough, but what was the deal with leaving the other six
|| guys to continue the breakaway? Could Lance have stayed with them and
|| possibly have won the stage? Or if he did, would it have compromised
|| his TT performance tomorrow? If so would winning or doing very well
|| int the TT likely be a better payoff for him?

Why steal their thunder? It wouldn't benefit Armstrong much, but it would
take away their chances of winning a stage because the peloton would catch
them for sure, if Armstrong is there.

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
|| In article
|| <[email hidden]>,
|| "Infoquest" <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
||| Has anyone seen an interview with Lance explaining the reasons
||| behind following Simeoni up to the break?
||
|| You see, if you read my blog, you'd get a great summary (see URL in
|| .sig).
||
|| Long story short: Simeoni accused Dr. Michele Ferrari of advising on
|| doping. Lance (who has had connections to Ferrari) said Simeoni was a
|| big liar. Simeoni has filed a lawsuit against Lance. That matter is
|| pending.
||
|| So when Simeoni jumped up to join the break, Lance chased him. The
|| presence of a GC hopeful in the break completely poisoned any chance
|| it had of getting away, so the break asked Simeoni to go back to the
|| pack. And when Simeoni returned to the peloton, Lance dropped off
|| too, his _work_ done.
||
|| The moral of the story? Don't [censored] Lance.

Thanks for the explanation!

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 03:17:19 GMT, Mike McGuire <[email hidden]> from

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Hinault said:

"Infoquest" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:shjMc.312572$Gx4.74857
@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:

Quoted message said:

Has anyone seen an interview with Lance explaining the reasons behind
following Simeoni up to the break?

He was trying to publically humiliate the guy. Plain and simple.

hat's clear enough, but what was the deal with leaving the other six
guys to continue the breakaway? Could Lance have stayed with them and
possibly have won the stage? Or if he did, would it have compromised his
TT performance tomorrow? If so would winning or doing very well int the
TT likely be a better payoff for him?

Leaving the other six was "manners." Lance could have easily stayed with them,
but the peloton would have worked like a freight train to catch them, and
likely would have. His effort was hard, but I don't think hard enough to
endanger his TT performance.

Simeoni, I think, is the one who blew it. In the face of all that happened, he
should have just dropped the F-bomb, then attacked the breakaway with a hard
time trial effort to win. He should have made Lance really think whether
staying on his wheel as some sort of lesson was worth the energy expenditure.
If Simeoni had to drop out from fatigue afterwards, so what? He wasn't going
to win anyway, and he would have shown some guts.

--
Kevan Smith
[email hidden]

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Infoquest said:

Has anyone seen an interview with Lance explaining the reasons behind
following Simeoni up to the break?

You see, if you read my blog, you'd get a great summary (see URL in
.sig).

Long story short: Simeoni accused Dr. Michele Ferrari of advising on
doping. Lance (who has had connections to Ferrari) said Simeoni was a
big liar. Simeoni has filed a lawsuit against Lance. That matter is
pending.

So when Simeoni jumped up to join the break, Lance chased him. The
presence of a GC hopeful in the break completely poisoned any chance
it had of getting away, so the break asked Simeoni to go back to the
pack. And when Simeoni returned to the peloton, Lance dropped off
too, his _work_ done.

The moral of the story? Don't [censored] Lance.

That was beautiful, man.

Bill "clarity rocks" S.

Mike McGuire <[email hidden]> wrote in news:3xkMc.11436$mL5.4649
@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

He was trying to publically humiliate the guy. Plain and simple.

hat's clear enough, but what was the deal with leaving the other six
guys to continue the breakaway? Could Lance have stayed with them and
possibly have won the stage?

Much more humiliating to drag the 1 guy out of the break and have the media
laugh at him.
Besides, Ullrich would have chased down the break if Lance stayed in it.
Then Lance would be humiliated instead.

S o r n i said:

Ryan Cousineau wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The moral of the story? Don't [censored] Lance.

That was beautiful, man.

The word is that the peloton was very glad to see it as well. Lance
is truly the patrone of the peloton.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

Mark Hickey said:

The word is that the peloton was very glad to see it as well. Lance
is truly the patrone of the peloton.

Yeah. Velonews reported that Simeoni got a bunch of insults
when he got back to the peleton. He's not well liked. Apparently
Cipollini didn't want Simeoni on the squad because he's not happy
about recent events either.

Ken said:

Besides, Ullrich would have chased down the break if Lance stayed in it.
Then Lance would be humiliated instead.

Ullrich, Basso, Kloden, their support riders, and well, the whole
peleton would have chased him down. Lance doesn't get go in a break
away until late climbs in the big mountain stages; and then only
because most riders are simply unable to chase. With Lance or any
of the other top GC contenders in it, any breakaway today would have
been doomed. Probably top points contenders would have killed a
breakaway too. If Stuart O'Grady had tried to jump on it, a bunch
of riders from Lotto-Domo, Crédit Agricole and T-Mobile would have
been all over it.

Ryan Cousineau said:

The moral of the story? Don't [censored] Lance.

Yeah. That's not a good idea. Especially right before the TdF.
Lance had the power to crush his hopes of a stage win and he
used that power.

Here's an excerpt from:
http://www.velonews.com/tour2004/details/articles/6647.0.html

Armstrong stood by his actions, claiming it was on behalf
of all riders. "I was protecting the interests of the
peloton. The other riders were very grateful," he said.

"I followed Simeoni. He is not a rider the peloton wants
to be in the front group. All he does is attack the peloton,
says bad things about the other riders and group in general.
When I came back I had a lot of people patting me on the back.

"Simeoni ... it is a long history and (with) a guy like that,
all he wants to do is to destroy cycling ... to destroy the
sport that pays him.

"For me that is not correct. And when back with the group I
cannot say how many riders said: ‘Hey, chapeau ... thank you
very much.'

Bill Davidson said:

Mark Hickey said:

The word is that the peloton was very glad to see it as well. Lance
is truly the patrone of the peloton.

Yeah. Velonews reported that Simeoni got a bunch of insults
when he got back to the peleton. He's not well liked. Apparently
Cipollini didn't want Simeoni on the squad because he's not happy
about recent events either.

Yeah, I was going to comment that there's more to it than just the bad
blood between Simeoni and Armstrong. Simeoni often says quite
disparaging things of the peloton when interviewed, so there really were
a LOT more riders than just Lance who wanted to see Simeoni reeled in.
I suspect he's just an unpleasant person in general (but of course
that's just speculation).

--
the black rose
GO LANCE GO!!!
proud to be owned by a yorkie
http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts

This is going to be the big event of this tour, I think, like the "Look" of
years gone by. I think I've seen more posts on this topic than any other single
topic of the tour, and as far as any ones standings goes, this makes no
difference at all.. But it really added to the drama

Ken wrote:
|| Mike McGuire <[email hidden]> wrote in
|| news:3xkMc.11436$mL5.4649 @newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
|||| He was trying to publically humiliate the guy. Plain and simple.
||| hat's clear enough, but what was the deal with leaving the other six
||| guys to continue the breakaway? Could Lance have stayed with them
||| and possibly have won the stage?
||
|| Much more humiliating to drag the 1 guy out of the break and have
|| the media laugh at him.
|| Besides, Ullrich would have chased down the break if Lance stayed in
|| it. Then Lance would be humiliated instead.

I doubt that last part. I agree that Ullrich would have caught them, had
Lance really wanted to waste himself.

Mike Euritt wrote:
|| This is going to be the big event of this tour, I think, like the
|| "Look" of years gone by. I think I've seen more posts on this topic
|| than any other single topic of the tour, and as far as any ones
|| standings goes, this makes no difference at all.. But it really
|| added to the drama

have the commentators even talked about this?

Roger Zoul said:

Ken wrote:
|| Mike McGuire <[email hidden]> wrote in
|| news:3xkMc.11436$mL5.4649 @newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
|||| He was trying to publically humiliate the guy. Plain and simple.
||| hat's clear enough, but what was the deal with leaving the other six
||| guys to continue the breakaway? Could Lance have stayed with them
||| and possibly have won the stage?
||
|| Much more humiliating to drag the 1 guy out of the break and have
|| the media laugh at him.
|| Besides, Ullrich would have chased down the break if Lance stayed in
|| it. Then Lance would be humiliated instead.

I doubt that last part. I agree that Ullrich would have caught them, had
Lance really wanted to waste himself.

I don't think Lance is in any position for humiliation. He did what he did to make a point:

Don't [censored] where you eat.

silverbullet84 wrote:
|| Roger Zoul Wrote:
||| Ken wrote:
||||| Mike McGuire <[email hidden]> wrote in
||||| news:3xkMc.11436$mL5.4649 @newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
||||||| He was trying to publically humiliate the guy. Plain and
||||||| simple.
|||||| hat's clear enough, but what was the deal with leaving the other
|||||| six guys to continue the breakaway? Could Lance have stayed with
|||||| them and possibly have won the stage?
|||||
||||| Much more humiliating to drag the 1 guy out of the break and have
||||| the media laugh at him.
||||| Besides, Ullrich would have chased down the break if Lance stayed
||||| in it. Then Lance would be humiliated instead.
|||
||| I doubt that last part. I agree that Ullrich would have caught them,
||| had
||| Lance really wanted to waste himself.
|| I don't think Lance is in any position for humiliation. He did what
|| he did to make a point:
||
|| Don't [censored] where you eat.

Exactly.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mike Euritt said:

This is going to be the big event of this tour, I think, like the "Look" of
years gone by. I think I've seen more posts on this topic than any other
single
topic of the tour, and as far as any ones standings goes, this makes no
difference at all.. But it really added to the drama

It was so noteworthy because it was so unexpected. Man bites dog and all
that.

--
Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com
President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

silverbullet84 <[email hidden]> wrote
in news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

I don't think Lance is in any position for humiliation. He did what
he did to make a point:

Don't [censored] where you eat.

Eat EPO, shut up and don't tell anybody.