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  1. It looks like the Tour organizers have already decided upon the first
    3 stages for next year's (2005) Tour de France. It will start on the
    Atlantic coast town of Fromentine, and cross the bridge over to the
    island of Noirmoutier (Noirmoutier-en-L'Ile). It will be a 19
    Kilometer length Prologue.

    It seems to be a cute etape, especially when you consider that the
    cyclist will be riding into the breeze coming off from the ocean.

    Interestingly, they haven't quite decided where and when the 3rd
    stage will end...

    http://www.letour.fr/2005/presentationus/parcours.html

    http://www.letour.fr/2005/presentationus/index.html

    Thursday 30th June
    Opening of the Tour Headquarters in Challans.

    Friday 1st July
    Opening of the Tour Headquarters and Official Team Presentation in
    Challans.

    Saturday 2nd July
    1st stage: 19 km individual time-trial.
    Fromentine > Île de Noirmoutier.

    Sunday 3rd July
    2nd stage: 185 km.
    Challans > Les Essarts.

    Monday 4th July
    3rd stage: start from La Châtaigneraie.
    =========================================================
    Twice in recent past, the Tour de France has chosen Vendée in the west
    of France for its opening line-up. On both occasions, top-flight
    cycling was to keep a date with history, heritage and memories of
    yesteryear, warmly hosted by the Puy du Fou site.

    This was last century, in 1993 and 1999. But the events are, of
    course, still fresh in our memories.

    In 1993, Miguel Indurain was at the peak of his power and fame, and
    his victory in the prologue was to herald his firm grip on the race
    and his crowning achievement three weeks later on the Champs-Élysées.
    That year, as one, Tour riders and Cinescénie actors were to put on a
    superb show in a cool, pleasant night of emotion and joy which is
    still engraved in many a memory.

    Six years later, as shock waves from the Festina affair were
    subsiding, a start was made on the process of rebuilding a sporting
    ethic, as outlined by Jean-Claude Killy, President of Amaury Sport
    Organisation, Hein Verbruggen, President of the International Cycling
    Union and, of course, our host Philippe de Villiers, President of the
    Vendée County Council. Words were spoken in earnest, but the spirit
    was confident for the 99 Tour which was to see the emergence,
    confirmed in later Tours, of the core figure of Lance Armstrong.

    Six years will again have gone by when, on July 2, 3 and 4 2005, the
    Tour de France and Vendée will once more be jointly involved. Why, how
    and where?

    Doubtless because, at source, lies the undeniable enthusiasm for
    cycling shown by elected representatives, the economic sector and the
    sporting world. We may even speak of a mutual affection on the part of
    the Tour de France management team who values as second to none the
    commitment and involvement of those captivating regions of France
    which it visits in turn.

    For this edition, there will be a novel, seaboard backcloth since,
    from our Challans homebase, our first time trial stage will be fought
    out on the island of Noirmoutier, a première for the Tour! Then, onto
    the land of Vendée hedgerows for the second stage and the line-up for
    the third.

    In the land of Varnajo, Berland, Bernaudeau and all the former
    champions, in a region which is a hive of dynamism, teeming with the
    community spirit that is the lifeblood of sport, we know that we can
    rely on all the inhabitants of Vendée, be they seaboard or inland, to
    be once more motivated for and proud to be involved in the Tour de
    France Curtain-Raiser.

    As organisers, we view this as a promising "hat-trick" edition. Our
    teams know each other well now and, we too are spurred on by
    innovation. En route then for a third success which we shall be
    preparing together.

  2. My predictions:

    1. Ivan Basso
    2. Jan Ullrich
    3. Tugboat Jr (carried on Tyler's bike, in a handlebar basket)

  3. That's actually the first stage, as it's too long to be a prologue. I
    forgot the actual distinction, but Lance said one year that he didn't wear
    the yellow jersey in stage 1 (it was not a prologue that year either)
    because of that reason - itt was an actual stage and he wanted to earn it.
    I seem to remember something about 10k or less being a prologue, but I'm not
    sure about that.

    William Jones

    "Isidor Gunsberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It looks like the Tour organizers have already decided upon the first
    3 stages for next year's (2005) Tour de France. It will start on the
    Atlantic coast town of Fromentine, and cross the bridge over to the
    island of Noirmoutier (Noirmoutier-en-L'Ile). It will be a 19
    Kilometer length Prologue.

    It seems to be a cute etape, especially when you consider that the
    cyclist will be riding into the breeze coming off from the ocean.

    Interestingly, they haven't quite decided where and when the 3rd
    stage will end...

    http://www.letour.fr/2005/presentationus/parcours.html

    http://www.letour.fr/2005/presentationus/index.html

    Thursday 30th June
    Opening of the Tour Headquarters in Challans.

    Friday 1st July
    Opening of the Tour Headquarters and Official Team Presentation in
    Challans.

    Saturday 2nd July
    1st stage: 19 km individual time-trial.
    Fromentine > Île de Noirmoutier.

    Sunday 3rd July
    2nd stage: 185 km.
    Challans > Les Essarts.

    Monday 4th July
    3rd stage: start from La Châtaigneraie.
    =========================================================
    Twice in recent past, the Tour de France has chosen Vendée in the west
    of France for its opening line-up. On both occasions, top-flight
    cycling was to keep a date with history, heritage and memories of
    yesteryear, warmly hosted by the Puy du Fou site.

    This was last century, in 1993 and 1999. But the events are, of
    course, still fresh in our memories.

    In 1993, Miguel Indurain was at the peak of his power and fame, and
    his victory in the prologue was to herald his firm grip on the race
    and his crowning achievement three weeks later on the Champs-Élysées.
    That year, as one, Tour riders and Cinescénie actors were to put on a
    superb show in a cool, pleasant night of emotion and joy which is
    still engraved in many a memory.

    Six years later, as shock waves from the Festina affair were
    subsiding, a start was made on the process of rebuilding a sporting
    ethic, as outlined by Jean-Claude Killy, President of Amaury Sport
    Organisation, Hein Verbruggen, President of the International Cycling
    Union and, of course, our host Philippe de Villiers, President of the
    Vendée County Council. Words were spoken in earnest, but the spirit
    was confident for the 99 Tour which was to see the emergence,
    confirmed in later Tours, of the core figure of Lance Armstrong.

    Six years will again have gone by when, on July 2, 3 and 4 2005, the
    Tour de France and Vendée will once more be jointly involved. Why, how
    and where?

    Doubtless because, at source, lies the undeniable enthusiasm for
    cycling shown by elected representatives, the economic sector and the
    sporting world. We may even speak of a mutual affection on the part of
    the Tour de France management team who values as second to none the
    commitment and involvement of those captivating regions of France
    which it visits in turn.

    For this edition, there will be a novel, seaboard backcloth since,
    from our Challans homebase, our first time trial stage will be fought
    out on the island of Noirmoutier, a première for the Tour! Then, onto
    the land of Vendée hedgerows for the second stage and the line-up for
    the third.

    In the land of Varnajo, Berland, Bernaudeau and all the former
    champions, in a region which is a hive of dynamism, teeming with the
    community spirit that is the lifeblood of sport, we know that we can
    rely on all the inhabitants of Vendée, be they seaboard or inland, to
    be once more motivated for and proud to be involved in the Tour de
    France Curtain-Raiser.

    As organisers, we view this as a promising "hat-trick" edition. Our
    teams know each other well now and, we too are spurred on by
    innovation. En route then for a third success which we shall be
    preparing together.

  4. Callistus Valerius said:

    1. Ivan Basso
    2. Jan Ullrich

    No, no, how can that be? They both need someone in front of them to go
    fast. I don't know who to name "the ultimate follower". I think it has
    to be Basso.

  5. Isidor Gunsberg said:

    It looks like the Tour organizers have already decided upon the first
    3 stages for next year's (2005) Tour de France. It will start on the
    Atlantic coast town of Fromentine, and cross the bridge over to the
    island of Noirmoutier (Noirmoutier-en-L'Ile). It will be a 19
    Kilometer length Prologue [sic].

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    Twice in recent past, the Tour de France has chosen Vendée in the west
    of France for its opening line-up. On both occasions, top-flight
    cycling was to keep a date with history, heritage and memories of
    yesteryear, warmly hosted by the Puy du Fou site.

    This was last century, in 1993 and 1999. But the events are, of
    course, still fresh in our memories.

    Especially 1999, when the course took a right hand turn at Noirmoutier to
    cross the Passage du Gois.

  6. "Ewoud Dronkert" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag

    Quoted message said:

    I don't know who to name "the ultimate follower". I think it has
    to be Basso.

    remember Alvaro Mejia? he was a tough sucker (Indurain's wheel).

  7. "Isidor Gunsberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It looks like the Tour organizers have already decided upon the first
    3 stages for next year's (2005) Tour de France. It will start on the
    Atlantic coast town of Fromentine, and cross the bridge over to the
    island of Noirmoutier (Noirmoutier-en-L'Ile). It will be a 19
    Kilometer length Prologue.

    I believe then it will be a stage 1 rather than a prolog (because of the
    length). This will mean that it will count as a day raced. In the article
    you quoted, it describes the stage as "the first time trial". Many will
    consider it a prolog but it will be an ITT for the first stage.

    Quoted message said:


    It seems to be a cute etape, especially when you consider that the
    cyclist will be riding into the breeze coming off from the ocean.

    Interestingly, they haven't quite decided where and when the 3rd
    stage will end...

    Everything will be settled by October. Negotiations sometimes begin years
    prior and the final details about start, finish etc. really are the last
    thing to be settled unless the Tour has been there before and even then
    sometimes it is not settled until a short time before the public
    presentation of the course.

    Quoted message said:


    http://www.letour.fr/2005/presentationus/parcours.html

    http://www.letour.fr/2005/presentationus/index.html

    Thursday 30th June
    Opening of the Tour Headquarters in Challans.

    Friday 1st July
    Opening of the Tour Headquarters and Official Team Presentation in
    Challans.

    Saturday 2nd July
    1st stage: 19 km individual time-trial.
    Fromentine > Île de Noirmoutier.

    Sunday 3rd July
    2nd stage: 185 km.
    Challans > Les Essarts.

    Monday 4th July
    3rd stage: start from La Châtaigneraie.
    =========================================================
    Twice in recent past, the Tour de France has chosen Vendée in the west
    of France for its opening line-up. On both occasions, top-flight
    cycling was to keep a date with history, heritage and memories of
    yesteryear, warmly hosted by the Puy du Fou site.

    This was last century, in 1993 and 1999. But the events are, of
    course, still fresh in our memories.

    In 1993, Miguel Indurain was at the peak of his power and fame, and
    his victory in the prologue was to herald his firm grip on the race
    and his crowning achievement three weeks later on the Champs-Élysées.
    That year, as one, Tour riders and Cinescénie actors were to put on a
    superb show in a cool, pleasant night of emotion and joy which is
    still engraved in many a memory.

    Six years later, as shock waves from the Festina affair were
    subsiding, a start was made on the process of rebuilding a sporting
    ethic, as outlined by Jean-Claude Killy, President of Amaury Sport
    Organisation, Hein Verbruggen, President of the International Cycling
    Union and, of course, our host Philippe de Villiers, President of the
    Vendée County Council. Words were spoken in earnest, but the spirit
    was confident for the 99 Tour which was to see the emergence,
    confirmed in later Tours, of the core figure of Lance Armstrong.

    Six years will again have gone by when, on July 2, 3 and 4 2005, the
    Tour de France and Vendée will once more be jointly involved. Why, how
    and where?

    Doubtless because, at source, lies the undeniable enthusiasm for
    cycling shown by elected representatives, the economic sector and the
    sporting world. We may even speak of a mutual affection on the part of
    the Tour de France management team who values as second to none the
    commitment and involvement of those captivating regions of France
    which it visits in turn.

    For this edition, there will be a novel, seaboard backcloth since,
    from our Challans homebase, our first time trial stage will be fought
    out on the island of Noirmoutier, a première for the Tour! Then, onto
    the land of Vendée hedgerows for the second stage and the line-up for
    the third.

    In the land of Varnajo, Berland, Bernaudeau and all the former
    champions, in a region which is a hive of dynamism, teeming with the
    community spirit that is the lifeblood of sport, we know that we can
    rely on all the inhabitants of Vendée, be they seaboard or inland, to
    be once more motivated for and proud to be involved in the Tour de
    France Curtain-Raiser.

    As organisers, we view this as a promising "hat-trick" edition. Our
    teams know each other well now and, we too are spurred on by
    innovation. En route then for a third success which we shall be
    preparing together.

  8. "Ewoud Dronkert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Callistus Valerius said:

    1. Ivan Basso
    2. Jan Ullrich

    No, no, how can that be? They both need someone in front of them to go
    fast. I don't know who to name "the ultimate follower". I think it has
    to be Basso.

    That is not fair. He is the ultimate follower at this point but from the
    moment the Tour ended his challenge is now to find ways to take time out of
    rivals rather than just being the best at not losing it. It is amazing that
    he did not lose any time on the road this year to any of the top finishers.

  9. Chris said:

    I believe then it will be a stage 1 rather than a prolog (because of the
    length). This will mean that it will count as a day raced. In the article
    you quoted, it describes the stage as "the first time trial". Many will
    consider it a prolog but it will be an ITT for the first stage.

    Does this mean there will be three rest days? What's the rule for # of
    rest days?

  10. gym gravity said:
    Chris said:

    I believe then it will be a stage 1 rather than a prolog (because of the
    length). This will mean that it will count as a day raced. In the
    article
    you quoted, it describes the stage as "the first time trial". Many will
    consider it a prolog but it will be an ITT for the first stage.

    Does this mean there will be three rest days? What's the rule for # of
    rest days?

    The rule is at least two rest days. There will likely be 21 stages.

    Dan

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ewoud Dronkert said:
    Callistus Valerius said:

    1. Ivan Basso
    2. Jan Ullrich

    No, no, how can that be? They both need someone in front of them to go
    fast. I don't know who to name "the ultimate follower". I think it has
    to be Basso.

    He did seem to do pretty well when he was with another rider (or
    several) at this year's TdF. But I think his last TT did indicate that he
    can do fairly well without pacing. Yeah, he did lose 2:50, but when you
    compare that TT to some of the ones he's done in the last couple of years,
    I think he's shown some improvement. With Riis helping him, I'll bet on
    further improvement.

    --
    tanx,
    Howard

    So far, so good, so what?

    remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

  12. "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_.com...

    Quoted message said:
    gym gravity said:
    Chris said:

    I believe then it will be a stage 1 rather than a prolog (because of


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    length). This will mean that it will count as a day raced. In the
    article
    you quoted, it describes the stage as "the first time trial". Many will
    consider it a prolog but it will be an ITT for the first stage.

    Does this mean there will be three rest days? What's the rule for # of
    rest days?

    The rule is at least two rest days. There will likely be 21 stages.

    TRUE -- instead of 20 stages + Prologue + 2 rest days
    there will be 21 stages plus the 2 rest daze.

    -Ken

  13. "Ken Papai" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<16DPc.203698$IQ4.7951@attbi_s02>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_.com...

    Quoted message said:
    gym gravity said:

    Chris wrote:

    > I believe then it will be a stage 1 rather than a prolog (because of


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > length). This will mean that it will count as a day raced. In the
    > article
    > you quoted, it describes the stage as "the first time trial". Many will
    > consider it a prolog but it will be an ITT for the first stage.

    Does this mean there will be three rest days? What's the rule for # of
    rest days?

    The rule is at least two rest days. There will likely be 21 stages.

    TRUE -- instead of 20 stages + Prologue + 2 rest days
    there will be 21 stages plus the 2 rest daze.

    -Ken

    Will the TdF then have 3 ITTs, rather than the usual Prologue + 2
    ITTs?

    It would be a shame if the organizers opted to, in effect, lose an
    Individual Time Trial, by adopting this format. If the Tour kept 2
    ITTs, with one of them being comprised of the rather short 1st stage,
    then there would only be one ITT of length...

    Of course, if the organizers opted to make do with what is, in
    effect, just 1.5 ITTs, this would serve to neutralize Armstrong's
    ability to gain time in ITTs.

  14. "Isidor Gunsberg" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de :
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Ken Papai" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<16DPc.203698$IQ4.7951@attbi_s02>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_.com...

    Quoted message said:

    gym gravity wrote:
    > Chris wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    Of course, if the organizers opted to make do with what is, in
    effect, just 1.5 ITTs, this would serve to neutralize Armstrong's
    ability to gain time in ITTs.

    Amazing ! Is it time to do an eleven and a half month wind-down !?

    Sunday, there was the HEW ; Sunday coming is San Sebastian.

    Time for two new newsgroups :

    obsessed.cycle-related.tdf.meltdown
    obsessed.cycle-related.tdf.postmortem
    --
    Bonne route,

    Sandy
    Paris FR

  15. "SMMB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Of course, if the organizers opted to make do with what is, in
    effect, just 1.5 ITTs, this would serve to neutralize Armstrong's
    ability to gain time in ITTs.

    Amazing ! Is it time to do an eleven and a half month wind-down !?

    Sunday, there was the HEW ; Sunday coming is San Sebastian.

    Time for two new newsgroups :

    obsessed.cycle-related.tdf.meltdown
    obsessed.cycle-related.tdf.postmortem
    --

    Don't blame us, blame the ASO for putting out the press release.

  16. That is what they did in 2000. After Armstrong won all three TTs in 1999,
    they made just 1 long TT and 1 half distance TT in 2000.

    "Isidor Gunsberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Ken Papai" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<16DPc.203698$IQ4.7951@attbi_s02>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_.com...

    Quoted message said:

    gym gravity wrote:
    > Chris wrote:
    >
    >> I believe then it will be a stage 1 rather than a prolog (because


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the

    Quoted message said:

    >> length). This will mean that it will count as a day raced. In the
    >> article
    >> you quoted, it describes the stage as "the first time trial". Many


    will

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> consider it a prolog but it will be an ITT for the first stage.
    >
    >
    > Does this mean there will be three rest days? What's the rule for #


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > rest days?

    The rule is at least two rest days. There will likely be 21 stages.

    TRUE -- instead of 20 stages + Prologue + 2 rest days
    there will be 21 stages plus the 2 rest daze.

    -Ken

    Will the TdF then have 3 ITTs, rather than the usual Prologue + 2
    ITTs?

    It would be a shame if the organizers opted to, in effect, lose an
    Individual Time Trial, by adopting this format. If the Tour kept 2
    ITTs, with one of them being comprised of the rather short 1st stage,
    then there would only be one ITT of length...

    Of course, if the organizers opted to make do with what is, in
    effect, just 1.5 ITTs, this would serve to neutralize Armstrong's
    ability to gain time in ITTs.

  17. "SMMB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Isidor Gunsberg" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de :
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Ken Papai" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<16DPc.203698$IQ4.7951@attbi_s02>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_.com...
    > gym gravity wrote:
    > > Chris wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    Of course, if the organizers opted to make do with what is, in
    effect, just 1.5 ITTs, this would serve to neutralize Armstrong's
    ability to gain time in ITTs.

    Amazing ! Is it time to do an eleven and a half month wind-down !?

    Sunday, there was the HEW ; Sunday coming is San Sebastian.

    Time for two new newsgroups :

    obsessed.cycle-related.tdf.meltdown
    obsessed.cycle-related.tdf.postmortem

    Stop whining. If you want to discuss the HEW Cyclassics-Cup then start
    a thread about it. If I were you, I wouldn't expect much of a
    response....a race like the HEW will never be able to garner the
    interest of the majority of the r.b.r. readers. If you are so vexed by
    the plethora of threads devoted to the TdF, my advice is simple:
    refrain from reading them!

    Let's look at the HEW: The race is lacking many of the top cyclists,
    and so lacking in sporting significance. The race is a single day
    event, and so lacks the drama of a multi-stage race. So O'Grady
    managed to win a bunch sprint--but where is the excitement in a race
    where all of the strategy takes place in the final few kilometers?

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/worldcup04/hew04/?id=livecomp

    17:04 CEST 246km/4km to go
    Merckx attacks again and immediately feels the pain. But Rebellin has
    a teammate to help, and he sets the chasing tempo. Merckx is caught by
    three riders with 4 km to go.

    17:04 CEST
    There's five leaders with Merckx but they can't stay clear. All
    together again.

    17:05 CEST 247km/3km to go
    It looks like Zabel is in the leading group too, so he might ask
    Ullrich to lead him out. Guidi is there for CSC.

    17:05 CEST
    It's Hondo and Lang working for Rebellin with 3 km to go. Astarloa on
    Rebellin's wheel.

    17:06 CEST 247.5km/2.5km to go
    O'Grady is back in this group too - he's a good chance, depending on
    how much energy he used getting back on.

    17:06 CEST 248km/2km to go
    It's a combined Lampre/Gerolsteiner leadout with 2 km to go. O'Grady
    has placed himself next to Rebellin and Astarloa.

    17:07 CEST 248.5km/1.5km to go
    Ullrich attacks, but everyone realises the danger and he is caught by
    Merckx and Kirchen. The leading group of 30 has about 1.5 km to go.

    17:07 CEST 249km/1km to go
    Gonchar goes early, before the 1 km banner. It doesn't go anywhere.
    Gerolsteiner pulls it back together.

    17:08 CEST
    The leadout is in full flight now with Hondo taking over at 800m to go
    with Paolini and Rebellin on his wheel. Then Astarloa.

    17:09 CEST 250km/0km to go
    Paolini starts the sprint, then Astarloa goes early, but it's Bettini
    then O'Grady who comes around on Bettini's right hand side. O'Grady
    wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    O'Grady has won his first ever World Cup, and gets a big hug from
    teammate Matt White. Bettini took second, and was pretty annoyed with
    himself. Astarloa third, then Freire and Löwik.

    17:13 CEST
    Rebellin was 6th and will keep his World Cup jersey. Zabel was 7th and
    Guidi took 8th.

  18. Isidor Gunsberg said:

    O'Grady wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Some light national favoritism gently shining through there.

  19. Ewoud Dronkert said:
    Isidor Gunsberg said:

    O'Grady wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Some light national favoritism gently shining through there.

    Nah, their bet paid off and they could afford that badly needed patch
    kit for the blimp.

  20. Isidor Gunsberg said:

    The race is a single day event, and so lacks the drama of a multi-stage race.

    How many classics have you actually watched ?

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