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  1. From today's Washington Post. Recall that this is the same Sally Jenkin who
    co-wrote with Armstrong and who when asked to comment on the deaths of 10+
    cyclists from heart attacks in the past year said she was unaware of those
    deaths.

    Please direct all flames to WADA.

    WADA Chairman States His Case

    By Richard Pound

    Monday, August 23, 2004; Page D13

    ATHENS -- I write in response to Sally Jenkins's article of Aug. 13, titled
    "The Difficulty of Watching Pound Throw his Weight Around."

    I believe in the concept of a free press and the opportunity for diverse
    opinion to be expressed on a wide variety of subjects. I do not believe that
    concept provides a license for vicious and uninformed attacks on
    individuals. I am disappointed that The Washington Post permitted an article
    to be published with relentless disregard of the facts.

    If I am able to discern a theme in Jenkins's article, amongst the
    proliferation of prejudicial and intellectually lazy assertions, it seems to
    amount to this:

    1. There is a serious drug problem in sport today, including track and
    field;

    2. This problem affects U.S. track and field athletes;

    3. One such athlete on whom the media have recently concentrated is Marion
    Jones, who has not been charged with any doping offense;

    4. I have commented on the Jones case, apparently in a manner that will
    prejudice Jones's right to an impartial decision on the facts of her case;
    and

    5. I have unfairly pointed a finger at USA Track and Field for its lack of
    leadership in the fight against drug use in its sport.

    Jenkins and I can agree on the first three points. As to the fourth, I have
    commented on the Jones case -- in response to media inquiries -- to say that
    she has not been charged with any offense and is fully entitled to the
    presumption that she is not guilty and eligible to participate in the
    Olympic Games. I have also questioned the wisdom of the strategy adopted by
    her entourage of accusing the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency of being a "kangaroo
    court" when every piece of evidence points to the contrary.

    I do not know, and Jenkins certainly does not know, whether Jones is
    innocent. What I do know (and what Jenkins should know) is that should any
    notification of a doping charge be raised against Jones, the matter will be
    heard by independent arbitrators who, in reaching their decision, will rely
    on the evidence before them, not on anything the media may have published or
    by statements made anyone else. There is no denial of due process in any
    respect. The decision to "go public" was made by the Jones entourage, not by
    the anti-doping authorities. Jenkins's apparent belief is that it would be
    better for any drug user to get away with the offense than for comments to
    be aired in public.

    Regarding USATF, Jenkins has, again, not got her facts right. I have been
    critical of USATF for several reasons. It was USATF that accredited C.J.
    Hunter at the Sydney Games, even though it knew he had tested positive four
    times earlier in 2000. It was USATF that entered Jerome Young in the 4x400
    relay, knowing of his positive test and the wholly unconvincing exoneration
    of him, thereby tainting the whole relay team and exposing it to a loss of
    the gold medal. It was USATF that fought for years to prevent disclosure of
    Young's identity to the IAAF, in the face of clear rules requiring such
    disclosure, on the flimsy pretext that U.S. law prevented such disclosure.
    The Court of Arbitration for Sport rejected any such notion.

    Jenkins suggests that I should keep quiet because USADA has responsibility
    for testing for drug violations. She omits to mention that USADA only
    started its operations in October 2000, well after the events giving rise to
    the situations I have identified. She also overlooks the evident
    responsibility of USATF to show leadership in the fight against the use of
    drugs in sport and blithely leaves all such responsibility in the hands of
    after-the-fact testers, not the organization responsible for providing a
    drug-free culture in its sport.

    There are too many prejudicial accusations made by Jenkins to answer in the
    space available. But one, in particular, deserves exposure, which was the
    decision of WADA to locate the headquarters of the organization in Montreal.
    Jenkins writes: "As far as I can tell, Pound has committed exactly one act
    of any substance as the head of [the World Anti-Doping Agency]: He moved the
    organization to Montreal, conveniently for him, and perhaps, his business
    pals. Is that an unfair accusation? Well." The fact is that the WADA
    Foundation Board, of which half the members are governments (including the
    United States), decided, in an election in which I did not participate, to
    move the headquarters to Montreal following a competitive bidding process.
    Apart from its manifest incorrectness, it is a cheap journalistic ploy to
    then pose the rhetorical question.

    There is much more of a similar and equally odious nature. Jenkins's
    personal prejudice has gotten in the way of her professional responsibility
    and her editors failed to hold her to the standards of governance I should
    have thought The Washington Post would embrace. A newspaper of record should
    act like one, not like a tabloid. Make your journalists check their facts.
    This hatchet job cannot be blandly dismissed as "fair comment" on someone
    who occupies a voluntary position that may attract media attention. If the
    journalist is reduced to name calling, it should be a sign that she has
    overstepped. Which she has.

    Richard Pound is chairman of the World Anti-Doping Agency.

    --
    Peloton Pigs Can Fly!

  2. "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    From today's Washington Post. Recall that this is the same Sally Jenkin


    who

    Quoted message said:

    co-wrote with Armstrong and who when asked to comment on the deaths of 10+

    <huge snip>

    Sounds like Sally must be guilty of the same kind of [censored] you spew in your
    anti-Lance rants all the time.

    Bob C.

  3. "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> writes:

    Doesn't [censored] always sound like a Skeleton Jerkin' Off in a Tin Garbage Can?

    Quoted message said:

    From today's Washington Post. Recall that this is the same Sally Jenkin who
    co-wrote with Armstrong and who when asked to comment on the deaths of 10+
    cyclists from heart attacks in the past year said she was unaware of those
    deaths.

    Please direct all flames to WADA.

    WADA Chairman States His Case

    By Richard Pound

    Monday, August 23, 2004; Page D13

    ATHENS -- I write in response to Sally Jenkins's article of Aug. 13, titled
    "The Difficulty of Watching Pound Throw his Weight Around."

    I believe in the concept of a free press and the opportunity for diverse
    opinion to be expressed on a wide variety of subjects. I do not believe that
    concept provides a license for vicious and uninformed attacks on
    individuals. I am disappointed that The Washington Post permitted an article
    to be published with relentless disregard of the facts.

    If I am able to discern a theme in Jenkins's article, amongst the
    proliferation of prejudicial and intellectually lazy assertions, it seems to
    amount to this:

    1. There is a serious drug problem in sport today, including track and
    field;

    2. This problem affects U.S. track and field athletes;

    3. One such athlete on whom the media have recently concentrated is Marion
    Jones, who has not been charged with any doping offense;

    4. I have commented on the Jones case, apparently in a manner that will
    prejudice Jones's right to an impartial decision on the facts of her case;
    and

    5. I have unfairly pointed a finger at USA Track and Field for its lack of
    leadership in the fight against drug use in its sport.

    Jenkins and I can agree on the first three points. As to the fourth, I have
    commented on the Jones case -- in response to media inquiries -- to say that
    she has not been charged with any offense and is fully entitled to the
    presumption that she is not guilty and eligible to participate in the
    Olympic Games. I have also questioned the wisdom of the strategy adopted by
    her entourage of accusing the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency of being a "kangaroo
    court" when every piece of evidence points to the contrary.

    I do not know, and Jenkins certainly does not know, whether Jones is
    innocent. What I do know (and what Jenkins should know) is that should any
    notification of a doping charge be raised against Jones, the matter will be
    heard by independent arbitrators who, in reaching their decision, will rely
    on the evidence before them, not on anything the media may have published or
    by statements made anyone else. There is no denial of due process in any
    respect. The decision to "go public" was made by the Jones entourage, not by
    the anti-doping authorities. Jenkins's apparent belief is that it would be
    better for any drug user to get away with the offense than for comments to
    be aired in public.

    Regarding USATF, Jenkins has, again, not got her facts right. I have been
    critical of USATF for several reasons. It was USATF that accredited C.J.
    Hunter at the Sydney Games, even though it knew he had tested positive four
    times earlier in 2000. It was USATF that entered Jerome Young in the 4x400
    relay, knowing of his positive test and the wholly unconvincing exoneration
    of him, thereby tainting the whole relay team and exposing it to a loss of
    the gold medal. It was USATF that fought for years to prevent disclosure of
    Young's identity to the IAAF, in the face of clear rules requiring such
    disclosure, on the flimsy pretext that U.S. law prevented such disclosure.
    The Court of Arbitration for Sport rejected any such notion.

    Jenkins suggests that I should keep quiet because USADA has responsibility
    for testing for drug violations. She omits to mention that USADA only
    started its operations in October 2000, well after the events giving rise to
    the situations I have identified. She also overlooks the evident
    responsibility of USATF to show leadership in the fight against the use of
    drugs in sport and blithely leaves all such responsibility in the hands of
    after-the-fact testers, not the organization responsible for providing a
    drug-free culture in its sport.

    There are too many prejudicial accusations made by Jenkins to answer in the
    space available. But one, in particular, deserves exposure, which was the
    decision of WADA to locate the headquarters of the organization in Montreal.
    Jenkins writes: "As far as I can tell, Pound has committed exactly one act
    of any substance as the head of [the World Anti-Doping Agency]: He moved the
    organization to Montreal, conveniently for him, and perhaps, his business
    pals. Is that an unfair accusation? Well." The fact is that the WADA
    Foundation Board, of which half the members are governments (including the
    United States), decided, in an election in which I did not participate, to
    move the headquarters to Montreal following a competitive bidding process.
    Apart from its manifest incorrectness, it is a cheap journalistic ploy to
    then pose the rhetorical question.

    There is much more of a similar and equally odious nature. Jenkins's
    personal prejudice has gotten in the way of her professional responsibility
    and her editors failed to hold her to the standards of governance I should
    have thought The Washington Post would embrace. A newspaper of record should
    act like one, not like a tabloid. Make your journalists check their facts.
    This hatchet job cannot be blandly dismissed as "fair comment" on someone
    who occupies a voluntary position that may attract media attention. If the
    journalist is reduced to name calling, it should be a sign that she has
    overstepped. Which she has.

    Richard Pound is chairman of the World Anti-Doping Agency.

    --
    Peloton Pigs Can Fly!

    --
    le Vent a Dos, Davey Crockett
    Six Day Site: http://members.rogers.com/sixday/sixday.html

  4. "psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    From today's Washington Post. Recall that this is the same Sally Jenkin


    who

    Quoted message said:

    co-wrote with Armstrong and who when asked to comment on the deaths of
    10+

    <huge snip>

    Sounds like Sally must be guilty of the same kind of [censored] you spew in your
    anti-Lance rants all the time.

    Bob C.

    Wrong. Try again.
    --
    Peloton Pigs--Flying Since 1991

  5. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> writes:

    Doesn't [censored] always sound like a Skeleton Jerkin' Off in a Tin Garbage
    Can?


    That would make an interesting scene in Spy Kids 4.

    --
    Peloton Pigs--Flying Since 1991

  6. "psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    From today's Washington Post. Recall that this is the same Sally Jenkin


    who

    Quoted message said:

    co-wrote with Armstrong and who when asked to comment on the deaths of
    10+

    <huge snip>

    Sounds like Sally must be guilty of the same kind of [censored] you spew in your
    anti-Lance rants all the time.

    Bob C.

    BTW, here's the Jenkins piece for you.

    The Difficulty of Watching Pound Throw His Weight Around

    By Sally Jenkins

    Friday, August 13, 2004; Page D10

    ATHENS

    That phony careerist and human necktie [censored] Pound should promptly remove
    himself from public life and quit trying to enlarge his reputation by
    wrecking the reputations of others. But unfortunately it appears we will
    have to shove him forcibly from the Olympic stage while he is still grabbing
    at the free shrimp from the VIP buffet.

    For all those who haven't heard his officious and highly prejudiced
    bellowing, Pound is the head of the World Anti-Doping Agency. He's the guy
    who's supposed to oversee a body devoted to the ethical competition of the
    Olympics. And yet Pound commits an ethical violation almost every time he
    opens his mouth, and expresses another self-serving, sorehead and
    headline-seeking opinion. He's the biggest scandal here.

    It is plainly unethical and prejudicial for a head of WADA to make
    pronouncements about an ongoing and supposedly confidential investigation
    such as BALCO, and the guilt or innocence of those involved. And yet there
    was Pound on the eve of the Opening Ceremonies, accusing USA Track and Field
    of being "largely responsible" for doping and again attacking Marion Jones
    by name.

    Jones has been his favorite punching bag for months, despite the fact that
    evidence against her is less than persuasive and she has not been formally
    accused of anything. "If she's innocent, she comes here and that's fine,"
    Pound said Thursday. "And if she's not and comes here and has made all those
    statements, it's going to be a dark and deep hole into which she goes. It
    would be a shame."

    Pound loves to suggest that Jones is guilty until proven guilty, because she
    hangs around with the wrong people, meaning her husbands and boyfriends.
    Now, that's funny coming from him. [censored] Pound has spent his entire adult
    life hanging around with one of the dirtiest and most corrupt organizations
    on the earth: the International Olympic Committee.

    Who exactly is [censored] Pound? He was an Olympic swimmer for Canada in 1960 and
    he has been a relentless ladder climber ever since. For many years he was
    the right hand of that man beloved of Generalissimo Francisco Franco, former
    IOC president Juan Antonio Samaranch. He helped deliver the Olympics to NBC
    for an entire generation, and he was Samaranch's handpicked successor. But
    he became increasingly unpopular in the IOC because of his role as an ethics
    officer, and Jacques Rogge instead replaced Samaranch. In other words, Pound
    is a permanently marginalized (and possibly embittered) guy who was passed
    up.

    Ever since then, Pound has been trying to become important in the Olympics
    again, and his chief way of doing this is to style himself the savior of
    purity in the Games, by accusing anyone and everyone of doping and
    corruption, whether there is proper evidence or not. Pound's attack on the
    USATF was the sort of baseless and distorted crack that has become typical
    of him, issued to satisfy his craving for attention. There's no doubt that
    USATF has had its problems. But USATF has nothing to do with drug testing or
    enforcement. That is the job of the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, as Pound well
    knows, since he oversees USADA as head of WADA. "Mr. Pound is well known for
    his colorful remarks," USATF spokeswoman Jill Greer said in response to his
    remarks. "I would hope that as head of the World Anti-Doping Agency he would
    not prejudge any athlete." But that's all Pound does -- judge.

    Pound has become known as the bullying head of an organization of
    controversial legal standards. The family of banned Australian cyclist Mark
    French has complained that even Saddam Hussein received better legal
    treatment. Among Pound's remarks and insinuations: Anyone who takes
    exception to his methods or those of WADA is either a guilty athlete, or
    part of their team. "Everyone else thinks we're doing exactly the right
    thing," Pound told the Canadian Press.

    No, actually, they don't. Jon Drummond said during the U.S. trials, "Find
    out about [censored] Pound and why he's coming down so hard on the United States.
    He's the WADA chair, he's the big man on campus. The athletes are doing what
    they're supposed to do. [censored] sits in his office and passes out accusations."

    Why is Pound beating up on the U.S. track federation, when it doesn't even
    control American drug testing? Why is he screaming?

    Pound was vice president of the IOC and a representative of the Canadian
    delegation in 1988 when his countryman, Ben Johnson, was stripped of his
    gold medal for testing positive for steroid use. Pound was a public defender
    of Johnson's, arguing that he was essentially innocent, had been manipulated
    into taking an illegal drug unwittingly. "I'm certain he didn't know," Pound
    said. "I don't think he has the faintest idea what it's all about." He also
    said that Johnson had a "guilty body" but not the guilty intent that would
    have convicted him in a court of law. Johnson later confessed he had used
    steroids since 1981.

    God forbid an American should defend a U.S. track athlete to WADA in such
    terms. As it happens, the United States has made strides against doping in
    track. The Olympic lab under the direction of the devoted and hard-working
    Don Catlin has made critical progress in identifying several designer drugs.
    What has [censored] Pound ever done, except excuse Ben Johnson? As far as I can
    tell, Pound has committed exactly one act of any substance as the head of
    WADA: He moved the organization to Montreal, conveniently for him and,
    perhaps, his business pals. Is that an unfair accusation? Well.

    Pound is also an author. He has a book out, called "Inside the Olympics."
    More properly, it should be entitled, "Big Events in Small Minds." Quill and
    Quire, a Canadian review of books, had this to say about Pound and his book:
    "Readers looking for the definitive exposé of Olympic greed, avarice, and
    scandal will be disappointed. . . .Pound occasionally comes across as
    supercilious and hypocritical. He pontificates about the scourge of fixed
    judging in figure skating and the injustice of hopped-up athletes who win
    medals, but fails to connect those scandals to the same morally bankrupt,
    win-at-all-costs attitudes that had infected the bidding process leading up
    to the Salt Lake scandal."

    I detest Pound on principle as a hypocrite who attacks the easiest and most
    vulnerable targets he can find for the sake of his own advancement. He
    should be summarily dislodged from his job for betraying his chief
    responsibility as the head of WADA, to be measured and fair. Personally, I
    find him utterly devoid of any real Olympic spirit or spirit of justice. The
    Romans believed that the enforcement of an absolutely just law, without any
    regard for possible exceptions, resulted in absolute injustice. Or as Martin
    Luther King put it, "an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere."

    We should all question, rightly, what's going on in Olympic sports and how
    best to make the Games fair, untainted and equitable for all competitors.
    But there is one person we most assuredly should not listen to, [censored] Pound.
    He is neither fair, nor equitable, nor untainted.

    --
    Peloton Pigs--Flying Since 1991

  7. Quoted message said:

    From: "B. Lafferty"

    Quoted message said:

    As to the fourth, I have
    commented on the Jones case -- in response to media inquiries -- to say that
    she has not been charged with any offense and is fully entitled to the
    presumption that she is not guilty and eligible to participate in the
    Olympic Games.

    Whoa Nellie. Isn't this the subject of the "let her come and dig a hole for
    herself"?

    Fox news (apologies):

    <ATHENS, Greece (AP) - The head of the World Anti-Doping Agency warned that
    Marion Jones will be in a "deep hole" if she's lying about not using drugs, and
    he left open the possibility she could be stripped of her five medals from the
    Sydney Games if found guilty of doping.

    WADA chief [censored] Pound also criticized U.S. track officials Thursday over recent
    drug use by American athletes.
    Jones is under investigation by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, though she has not
    been charged. But her ex-husband, C.J. Hunter, reportedly has told federal
    authorities in the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative probe that Jones used
    banned drugs before, during and after the 2000 Games.

    Jones has repeatedly denied using any banned substance.

    "If she's innocent, she comes here and that's fine," Pound said. "And if she's
    not and comes here and has made all those statements, it's going to be a dark
    and deep hole into which she goes. It would be a shame."

    Jones' lawyer, Rich Nichols, said Pound's comments simply were the latest in a
    "litany of anti-American smears" by the WADA chief. Pound has been a longtime
    critic of USA Track & Field and has denounced Jones in recent months.

    "[censored] Pound is simply un-American and these comments are just the latest
    indicator of why he should have no business being involved in the Olympics,"
    Nichols said. "Given [censored] Pound's anti-American bias and his lack of integrity,
    he should be stripped of his current position immediately."

    USATF spokeswoman Jill Geer also rejected Pound's criticisms of Jones, who is
    set to perform in the long jump and probably will run the 400-meter relay at
    the Athens Games.

    "Mr. Pound is well known for his colorful remarks. I would hope that as head of
    the World Anti-Doping Agency he would not prejudge any athlete," Geer said.

    International Olympic Committee rules say medals cannot be stripped more than
    three years after an Olympics, which would appear to safeguard Jones' three
    golds and two bronzes from Sydney even if she's found guilty of using banned
    substances.>

    This is Pound clearly threatening to have Jones' Sydney medals taken away "if
    she is found guilty". Found guilty how? Because someone with something to gain
    has "testified" against her? "Something to gain" could be cutting a deal with
    WADA and/or government prosecutors, or it could just be personal revenge. How
    do you prove that C.J. Hunter is telling the truth about Jones doping for
    Sydney? You and Pound are so ready to accept his words as gospel. Why? Because
    she performed well?

    Put into context, this can be seen as scare tactics to prevent athletes from
    defending themselves.

    Tell us more about Pound's spy ring, Brian. Those fine upstanding people who
    will provide untainted information to "convict" people of cheating without
    their having provided a positive blood or urine sample, who have not been
    found in possession of banned substances (or, of course, those who have not
    provided an uncoerced confession).

    What I've seen about "espionage" is that people often sell secrets for money,
    or give information as a result of extortion-- force. What's going to be
    different here? --TP

  8. "Tom Paterson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "B. Lafferty"


    [Fox News and Paterson drivel snipped]

    --TP

    Try this from today's NY Times:

    August 23, 2004
    SPORTS OF THE TIMES
    Another Effect of Drug Use
    By GEORGE VECSEY

    thens

    WE sat there on the dusty knoll of Ancient Olympia Stadium and watched the
    first women to compete in that hallowed place.

    Maybe because of the Greeks' love of their history, we suspended the normal
    drugs-are-us cynicism on Wednesday, as Irina Korzhanenko of Russia stepped
    to the top of the podium and accepted her shot-put gold medal and her olive
    wreath.

    But turns out, the bells and sirens and whistles went off in the laboratory,
    and yesterday Korzhanenko faced being stripped of her medal and receiving a
    lifetime ban. It was her second drug offense.

    "To cheat in Ancient Olympia is a sacrilege," a Greek friend of mine said
    last night. I know what he means. But what about cheating in Seoul or Sydney
    or Sacramento?

    I take this latest drug bust personally, because I schlepped out to Ancient
    Olympia, at considerable expense to my company, to observe this event. In
    retrospect, it wasn't worth the sunstroke and the dehydration.

    This was my gloomy reaction last night under the soaring Calatrava roof,
    which is more beautiful from within than from without. There was a wonderful
    three-ring circus of track and field, concluding with Justin Gatlin of the
    United States taking the 100-meter dash and ending Maurice Greene's bid for
    consecutive gold medals.

    Unfortunately, while all these events were going on, I had this morbid
    thought about what was coursing through everybody's arteries.

    We wasted a lot of time and energy in the last two weeks on that two-headed
    character known as the Greek Sprinters, who withdrew from the Games after
    missing mandatory drug tests and finishing dual intravenous injections from
    their motorcycle mishap. Another Greek athlete, Leonidas Sampanis, a weight
    lifter, had to give up his bronze medal for a doping offense.

    What an embarrassment for whatever portion of the Greek public is paying
    attention to these Games rather than lounging on an island, where anybody
    sane would be.

    The drug busts turn all of us into finger pointers and posses. A portion of
    the Greek public and press came up with the theory that the United States
    had called in the drug squad to divert attention from American doping. The
    United States does a lot of questionable things, but I doubt it has this
    much pull.

    Besides, plenty of American athletes are either sitting out these Games
    because they were suspended or they suddenly had a scheduling problem.

    The Greek news media then seemed to focus on Greene, who has come out
    publicly for stringent bans for athletes who test positive. Rumors that
    Greene had recently skipped a drug test were steadfastly denied. Last night
    Greene looked old at 30, struggling to qualify for the finals, then digging
    out a bronze medal.

    The beat goes on. Gatlin is coached by Trevor Graham, who has had six
    athletes test positive for banned substances in the past. Four of his
    athletes, but not Gatlin, have been implicated in the Balco scandal.

    It is all so wearying. I am not naïve, and I suspect that a lot of our
    American sluggers and offensive linemen are beefing themselves up
    artificially. With all these busts in Athens, don't hold your breath waiting
    for big league ballplayers to show up in Beijing in 2008. They don't need
    this publicity.

    Most Olympic sports insinuate themselves in front of the American public for
    a mere two weeks every four years. We barely learn how to pronounce the name
    of a Russian shot-putter or a Greek weight lifter, then we hear the massive
    click of a medal going back into the box.

    If you let down your guard, these sports are still compelling. Last night I
    sat in the new Olympic Stadium and watched on the tube as Mizuki Noguchi won
    the women's marathon in front of a large crowd in Panathinaiko Stadium, the
    site of the first modern Games in 1896. She beat the heat and she beat her
    rivals.

    In the main stadium, a few miles away, Gail Devers, age 37, hit a hurdle and
    went down in the first heat, never to win gold in her specialty. How sad.

    In the 100-meter semifinal, Shawn Crawford and Gatlin seemed to be having a
    nice little chat as they finished one-two. How arrogant.

    A Greek woman, Fani Halkia, set an Olympic record in winning a semifinal of
    the 400-meter hurdles, and the crowd cheered with what sounded like joy and
    relief. The locals had hoped for other thrills from the Greek Sprinters
    under the Calatrava roof. How bittersweet.

    There were medal ceremonies with the usual olive wreaths. I dropped my
    cynicism for the winners of the two wheelchair events - Robert Figl of
    Germany in the men's 1,500-meter race and Chantal Petitclerc of Canada in
    the women's 800 - and I stood and hummed both beautiful anthems.

    For the rest of the night, I mostly obsessed about whether any medals would
    be recalled in the next few days. Tough way to get the world to care about
    Olympic sports.

  9. "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]...

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    <Davey_Crockett@@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> writes:

    Doesn't [censored] always sound like a Skeleton Jerkin' Off in a Tin Garbage
    Can?


    That would make an interesting scene in Spy Kids 4.

    I'd like to see B. Lafferty, Esq. in Spy Kids 8 ---
    he could play Santa Claus to Pro Cyclists.

    Only ONE gets to sit on his lap because only one is a Saint.

    Guess which one? (hint...... '6'😉

    -Ken

  10. Tom Paterson said:

    [...] "litany of anti-American smears" [...]
    "[censored] Pound is simply un-American [...]
    "Given [censored] Pound's anti-American bias [...]

    Woah, I guess they should just get the Department of Homeland Security
    involved. Seriously, argue like that and you know you have lost.

  11. Quoted message said:

    From: Ernst Noch

    (Tom Paterson wrote_:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    [...] "litany of anti-American smears" [...]
    "[censored] Pound is simply un-American [...]
    "Given [censored] Pound's anti-American bias [...]

    (E.N. replied):

    Quoted message said:

    Woah, I guess they should just get the Department of Homeland Security
    involved. Seriously, argue like that and you know you have lost.

    Whoa yourself, I didn't "write", I quoted others' words. Pound is a Canadian;
    some anti-USA bias would not be at all unusual. A whole lot of anti-USA bias
    wouldn't be unusual. That's a sidelight, at worst. I forget who Pound lost to
    in the 1960 Olympics, whether it was an Australian team or team USA. Another
    sidelight. Main subject is the oh-so-public threat to Jones. That and the
    "network of informants" who will supply "testimony" to convict by
    "non-analytical positive".

    Let's go back to the quotes, snipped:
    (from <http://tinyurl.com/5ahvp> )

    <While acknowledging that Jones has never been charged with a doping offence,
    the Montreal lawyer pointed out it might be possible to strip an athlete of
    Olympic medals up to eight years later. That means Jones' five medals from the
    2000 Sydney Games could be at risk if she is found guilty of using
    performance-enhancing substances.

    Jones' ex-husband, C.J. Hunter, reportedly has told federal authorities in the
    Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative probe that Jones used banned drugs before,
    during and after the 2000 Games.

    Jones has vehemently and repeatedly denied using any banned substance.

    "If she's innocent, she comes here and that's fine," Pound said. "And if she's
    not and comes here and has made all those statements, it's going to be a dark
    and deep hole into which she goes. It would be a shame."

    That would be "an ex-husband who has admitted to steroid use has implicated his
    former wife" for steroid use, under questioning by officials. Then a lawyer
    working in connection with said officials threatened said wife, while she is
    still under investigation ("ongoing", not completed), with retroactive
    stripping of medals (in retaliation for making statements critical of
    investigating agencies) if she is somehow "found guilty" of steroid use.>

    Well they have an ex-husband with his ass in a crack dishing dirt. What's next,
    a terminated coach, doctor, a former teammate she vastly outshone? How about
    some folks she beat in races? Or a faded star of decades passed? Unknown pills
    in a parking lot, or discarded syringes?

    "Kangaroo court" is the correct expression. Truly, this shoe has pinched
    mightily.

    Better: Get a positive A&B sample, possession, and/or an uncoerced confession
    (not "we're going to take your medals away unless you tell us what we want to
    hear"😉. Then you can "convict" with real evidence. Note recent shining
    examples; it can be done, and it stinks a lot less doing it that way. --TP

  12. Tom Paterson said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: Ernst Noch

    (Tom Paterson wrote_:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    [...] "litany of anti-American smears" [...]
    "[censored] Pound is simply un-American [...]
    "Given [censored] Pound's anti-American bias [...]

    (E.N. replied):

    Quoted message said:

    Woah, I guess they should just get the Department of Homeland Security
    involved. Seriously, argue like that and you know you have lost.

    Whoa yourself, I didn't "write", I quoted others' words.

    Sorry, I thought my "double quoting" (> "bla" vs >bla) would make it
    clear that that weren't your words. It's just that this "antiamerican"
    nonsense has been taken much too far, not to mention the braindeadness
    involved in calling a canadian "un-American". Duh!

    Quoted message said:

    Pound is a Canadian;
    some anti-USA bias would not be at all unusual. A whole lot of anti-USA bias
    wouldn't be unusual. That's a sidelight, at worst.

    For non-extremists disregard for a certain nationality is almost never
    the main motivator for their actions. Maybe Mr. Pound has a problem with
    american athletes or sports officials, antiamericanism is not convincing
    as an explanation for some of his criticizable actions.

    Thanks,
    Ernst

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