Instrumentation: anyone any comments on these?

Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote:

: Cat Eye Cordless 7, about £30
: + reasonable price.
: - no cadence.

I binned my one of these. I had continual problems with it.

Speed would go 20, 20, 20, 13, 13, 20, 20 when holding a constant
20. Which made the distance and average speed features wrong as well.

: Polar S720i, about £240 with cadence kit
: + altitude features.
: + heart rate features.
: + data logging/upload.
: + backlight.
: - plutocrats only.

You can also geta power kit for this. It's another £200 or so though, but
looks fun.

There's various other (cheaper) HRM's that also do speed. If you don't use
a HRM then that's no use, but if you do it helps keep your bars clear of
clutter.

Me? Currently I don't have a speedo on at all.

Arthur

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"Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

OK, I'm still thinking about instrumentation for my new bike. It's got
to do speed, average speed, distance, all the usual things. I would
like it to do cadence. It would be nice if it did rate of climb, but
that's not essential. I would not like it to involve stringing tatty
bits of wire held on with tatty bits of tape or cable ties all over my
nice bike - the more discreet the better. And if it's going to cost a
lot (where 'a lot' means over the sort of £35 you'll pay for a basic
name-brand wireless job), then it has to have some really strong
positives.

Cateye Astrale 8 does cadence plus all the usual. No experience of it
though I have been thinking it would be nice.

About 30 notes.

T

"Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Ciclosport CM434 does altitude - 75 quid I think from CTC. You can get a
cadence kit for it too.

Anything with an altimeter (required for "It would be nice if it did rate of
climb, but
that's not essential."😉 is going to cost you.

Does anything apart from flightdeck have virtual cadence? (ie will you need
a cable to get cadence?)

cheers,
clive

Tony W said:

Cateye Astrale 8 does cadence plus all the usual. No experience of it
though I have been thinking it would be nice.

About 30 notes.

It's a good computer (very happy with mine) but it fails the OP's
discrete test quite badly.

Requires two cables to be run from the handlebar mount to the back of
the bike. One to a crank sensor for cadence, the other to the rear
wheel for speed/distance.
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Simon Brooke said:

I would not like it to involve stringing tatty
bits of wire held on with tatty bits of tape or cable ties all over my
nice bike - the more discreet the better.

It's CF, right? Drill holes for the cable routing. ;-)

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Simon Brooke said:

I would not like it to involve stringing tatty
bits of wire held on with tatty bits of tape or cable ties all over
my nice bike - the more discreet the better.

It's CF, right? Drill holes for the cable routing. ;-)

It is, but it's monocoque. It isn't hollow (that is, I don't think it's
hollow, although what the core material is I don't know).

Oh, and, by the way, _I'm_ a heathen (for some value of heath; pagan
anyway) but most people are citizens.

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...

Quoted message said:

Cateye Astrale 8 does cadence plus all the usual. No experience of it
though I have been thinking it would be nice.

Great computer but not too good on the old mounting. If I ever bought
another I'd be inclined to glue the bugger in place. It's heartbreaking
to discover that your shiny new computer has just been flattened by a
lorry!

Jon

Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote:

: Oh, and, by the way, _I'm_ a heathen (for some value of heath; pagan
: anyway) but most people are citizens.

Way OT, but:

Most people in the UK aren't citizens. They are subjects.

I'm a citizen of Ireland though.

Arthur

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Simon Brooke said:

Oh, and, by the way, _I'm_ a heathen (for some value of heath; pagan
anyway) but most people are citizens.

Gotcha.

Arthur Clune said:

Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote:

: Oh, and, by the way, _I'm_ a heathen (for some value of heath; pagan
: anyway) but most people are citizens.

Way OT, but:

Most people in the UK aren't citizens. They are subjects.

I'm a citizen of Ireland though.

Funny. My passport says British Citizen.

A

Arthur Clune said:

Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote:

: Cat Eye Cordless 7, about £30
: + reasonable price.
: - no cadence.

I binned my one of these. I had continual problems with it.

Speed would go 20, 20, 20, 13, 13, 20, 20 when holding a constant
20. Which made the distance and average speed features wrong as well.

I've had Cateye Cordless on three bikes for about five years now with no
problems whatsoever - 'cept change of batteries.
Ditto with the newer (and better looking) Cordless 7 which I've had for
about a year on the Bike Friday.

John B

Ambrose Nankivell <[email hidden]> wrote:

: Funny. My passport says British Citizen.

Surely you are a loyal subject of Her Maj? Though a quick Google shows
that a "British Subject" is not the same as a "British Citizen"

Arthur

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Arthur Clune said:

Ambrose Nankivell said:

Funny. My passport says British Citizen.

Surely you are a loyal subject of Her Maj? Though a quick Google shows
that a "British Subject" is not the same as a "British Citizen"

I think most people with right of abode in the UK have been British
Citizens since 1983 when the British Nationality Act 1981 came in.

Don't know what the difference is. Of course I'm naturally 100% loyal
to Liz Windsor.

A

Ambrose Nankivell said:

Arthur Clune said:

Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote:

: Oh, and, by the way, _I'm_ a heathen (for some value of heath; pagan
: anyway) but most people are citizens.

Way OT, but:

Most people in the UK aren't citizens. They are subjects.

I'm a citizen of Ireland though.

Funny. My passport says British Citizen.

A

So does mine, with good reason because I am one. This is another Usenet
topic favoured by pedants. ;-)

Here's the definition from the Passport Office website:

Quoted message said:

British Citizen
On 1 January 1983 people became British Citizens (BC) if they were citizens of the United Kingdom and Colonies on 31 December 1982 and had the right of abode in the United Kingdom on that date.

By birth in the United Kingdom or in a place still a British colony.
By naturalisation in the United Kingdom or a British colony.
By registration as a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies.
By legitimate descent from a father* to whom the previous conditions applied.
*Prior to the introduction of the British Nationality Act, 1981, a person could not claim nationality from his or her mother.

'British Subject' is a term generally reserved to people who were born
before 1 January 1949 and who had a connection with either British India or
the Republic of Ireland.
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On 23/8/04 3:02 pm, in article [email hidden],

Michael MacClancy said:

Here's the definition from the Passport Office website:

Quoted message said:

British Citizen
On 1 January 1983 people became British Citizens (BC) if they were citizens
of the United Kingdom and Colonies on 31 December 1982 and had the right of
abode in the United Kingdom on that date.

By birth in the United Kingdom or in a place still a British colony.
By naturalisation in the United Kingdom or a British colony.
By registration as a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies.
By legitimate descent from a father* to whom the previous conditions applied.
*Prior to the introduction of the British Nationality Act, 1981, a person
could not claim nationality from his or her mother.

This does mean that if my oldest two children have children born outside of
the British Isles with a person who is not a citizen as defined by 1-3, then
the children will not necessarily be British.

As it is they are British but not English, Welsh, Scots or Irish (unlike my
youngest who is Scots by birth).

...d

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Way OT, but:

Most people in the UK aren't citizens. They are subjects.

I had this argument with a bunch of merkins who were [censored] about our
gun laws (Don't ask!). The thing is... in the passport of any British
subject, the nationality is listed as British Citizen, while in the
states, they are simply American.

Quoted message said:

I'm a citizen of Ireland though.

And I'm a citizen of Britain. The presence of the monarchy is largely
figurative these days, if technically still ruling! ;-)

Jon

Ambrose Nankivell said:

Quoted message said:

Surely you are a loyal subject of Her Maj? Though a quick Google shows
that a "British Subject" is not the same as a "British Citizen"

I think most people with right of abode in the UK have been British
Citizens since 1983 when the British Nationality Act 1981 came in.

Don't know what the difference is. Of course I'm naturally 100% loyal
to Liz Windsor.

British subjects are subject to immigration control and have no
automatic right to enter the UK. British citizens do have this right.
That's the key difference.

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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:20:51 +0100, Jon Senior

jon@restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk.remove said:

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Way OT, but:

Most people in the UK aren't citizens. They are subjects.

I had this argument with a bunch of merkins who were [censored] about our
gun laws (Don't ask!). The thing is... in the passport of any British
subject, the nationality is listed as British Citizen, while in the
states, they are simply American.

that's because there are several kinds of British nationality, so to
simply list a person's nationality as 'British' would not be
sufficient information. They have to specify what kind of British you
are because only 1 kind (British citizen) gives you the right to live
in the UK free from immigration controls.

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Jon Senior said:

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Way OT, but:

Most people in the UK aren't citizens. They are subjects.

I had this argument with a bunch of merkins who were [censored] about our
gun laws (Don't ask!). The thing is... in the passport of any British
subject, the nationality is listed as British Citizen,

Sorry Jon, but you're wrong there. There are plenty of British subjects
who are not British citizens so to say 'in the passport of any British
subject' is false. It may be true to say that all British Citizens are
also British subjects but this is to use 'subject' in a different way to
the way it's used in the nationality laws.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm a citizen of Ireland though.

And I'm a citizen of Britain.

You're actually a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Northern Ireland.

Musn't forget the Irish, you know!

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