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  1. August 16, 2004

    Hello all..

    Back in May, I posted an inquiry about the EverLed PR bulb. The bulb had good
    reviews but I was not convinced.

    After reading a review by a respected bike rider Bruce Ingle in the topica.com
    newsgroup.. I decided to do my own informal evaluation.

    www.brightguy.com has the white EverLed on sale for $34.00 each for a limited
    time.

    As with everything I do.. I don't short change anything.. I go for broke.. I
    ordered 4 EverLed ( on August 10 and received it on August 16.

    To my disappointment, one EverLed was DOA on arrival.

    On close inspection.. the quality doesn't seem to be there (at least from my
    perspective for a bulb with price tag of $40 suggested retail price).

    I am not an engineer but visually, the dark rubber like insulator that
    separates the bulb from the PR flange looks like it was shaped with an utility
    knife. The bottom tip (base) of the bulb seemed to have some oxidation residue
    of sort -- similar to what a a leaky battery would leave. These
    characteristics were on all 4 EverLed for whatever reason. Troubling?

    The box the EverLed came in was stamped 0421 6 cj by Bright Guys..On the side
    of the box, the bullet description states: Highest Light Output; Longest
    Battery Life; Water / Shock Resistant; Reflector Focus-able; Runs on 1 to 6
    Cells; Made in the USA. The jewelry like case the bulb came in is made in
    China. Initially I thought the bulb was made in China. Hmmm..

    With the three EverLED that worked.. I installed one EverLed in a Lumilight 4D
    spotlight / lantern with 3 1/8" reflector. My second EverLed I put in a Aztec
    4AA stubby flashlight ($2.99) with a 1 7/8" reflector; the third EverLed I put
    in a Zefal HF635 bicycle light. All have very favorable results.

    I compared the beam intensity against Cateye EL-300. Not even close.. EverLed
    wins hands down. The ZEfal HF635 is not a good bike light.. The 3 yellow LED
    are the best features of the light.. but the halogen bulb, reflector, lens
    cover does a poor job of shielding residual light from your eyes. Read
    additional product reviews at MTBR.COM.

    With the EverLED light installed in the Zefal HF635.. the residual light is
    even worse. To make the Zefal light practical, I will need to use black
    electrical tape or something to shield my eyes from the residual light.. but if
    I do so.. I pretty much render the forward and side visibility of the 3 yellow
    led to practically nothing.

    Zefal HF635 headlight is a POOR excuse for a bicycle light. Poor constuction,
    poor bracket, poor reflector / lens implementation. Again the best part of the
    light is the highly visible 3 yellow LED.

    I wanted to use the EverLed on my old Cateye HL-1500s (I have four Cateye
    HL-1500), but I have'nt got the EverLed to work (The EverLED did not work on a
    Vistalite Road Toad either).

    It might be the fact that the Cateye HL-1500 is wired differently and that has
    negative connection instead of a positive connection is at the tip of the bulb.
    Per EverLED que sheet; "Lights that have this type of connection need to have
    the "diamond" version of the EverLED. Check your distributor for availability.

    To cut to the chase... I highly recommend the EverLED if you can afford it.
    The beam intensity in the Aztec 4AA flashlight burns much brighter / better
    focused than a Vistalite 5w MR11 hotspot bulb. That's amazing from a 1W
    Luxeon. The beam penetrates a tight focus beam 50 feet away when the Cateye
    EL-300 blueish light is fading fast. The white light reminds me of the light
    put out by my MR16 Solux 4700K bulb. As a reference.. the higher the Kelvin?
    temperature rating the whiter the light.. A typical MR11 / MR16 bulbs are rated
    at no more than 3000K. Many manufacturers get the whiter light by overvolting
    the bulb.

    CONCLUSION....(for the moment.. I am very pleased with the output of the bulb
    despite the high price tag).. The issue of quality is suspect (one DOA bulb);
    time will tell. When one pays $34 to $40 for a bulb, one expect quality,
    finish, and peformance.

    As for using EverLed for trail riding.. I think with two EverLEDs installed on
    workable 2 Cateye HL-1500s combined with a 10 to 15w watt helmet light will do
    you fine -- especially if you ride in sandy trails that reflects much of the
    light and help illuminate the trail.

    Finally.. Cateye has the new EL-500 now.. If the same Cateye marketing guy that
    overhyped the EL-300 when it was initially introduced, EL-500 will probably
    disappoint as well.

    So far.. the only Cateye in my inventory of lights that exceeded expectation
    is the EL-200. The plastic case is not water tight, and slips apart too
    easily.. but I used an old inner tube cut into strips of rubber band to hold
    the case together.. the EL-200 when operating in flashing mode..is super super
    bright, and as a being seen light.. I found no other better light in its class
    and price range. I bought three of the EL-200 when it was on sale for around
    $18.00.

    Cateye lights in my current inventory:
    MODEL / Quantity
    1. Cateye HL-500 (3) -- great light for its vintage!!
    2. Cateye HL-500ii (5)
    3. Cateye HL-1500 (4) My all time favorite.. Only if it will work with EverLED
    upgrade -- I'd be overjoyed!
    4. Cateye EL-110 (2) original snow white
    5. Cateye EL-200 (3) great flasher!! Won't leave home without it.
    6. Cateye EL-300 (2) Over hyped.. disappointing even at $25 sale price.
    7. Cateye MC-200 (2) (Luminux model) -- It sucks royally.
    8. Cateye Luminux (5) (2C model aluminum body).. It sucks even more! But for
    $5.00 each on sale; I bought it for the handlebar bracket)

    NiteRider Trail (2)
    Specialized Proview Solo (3) 12w overvolted bought at $20.00 from Performance.
    Cygolite Rover
    Nite-Hawk 5w Viper (4) - bought at Performance for $20.00 each..wanted the 5w
    MR11 bulb.
    Vistalite Code 15 --5w Hot Spot bulb..bluish tint.. not very bright.. Neat
    design.. Looks like a bird egg. Handlebar bracket weak.
    Vistalite Road Toad (4) -- wide beam spread.. worthless for seeing the road.
    Vistalite 420 (2) - unique design.. frosted bulb -- focusable beam.
    Replacement bulb not readily available. I still like it.

    EverLED PR base flashlilght...You need one of these. NO KIDDING!

    Much obliged.
    Nick Lee
    Sparks, NV
    carless since January 2000
    member of the 5 digit club (over 10,000 bicycle miles each year) since YR 2000.

  2. Last week I obtained a Tektite LPR-2 LED replacement bulb and this
    weekend tested it in two different Cateye 2-cell headlights, the HL-500
    and the HL-270:

    http://members.cox.net/lioninoil/lpr2.htm

    --
    "Bicycling is a healthy and manly pursuit with much
    to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes,
    it has not died out." -- The Daily Telegraph (1877)

  3. [email hidden] (NLee1875) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    August 16, 2004

    Hello all..

    Back in May, I posted an inquiry about the EverLed PR bulb. The bulb had good
    reviews but I was not convinced.

    After reading a review by a respected bike rider Bruce Ingle in the topica.com
    newsgroup.. I decided to do my own informal evaluation.


    <cut>

    Quoted message said:

    EverLED PR base flashlilght...You need one of these. NO KIDDING!


    <cut>

    Quoted message said:

    Nick Lee


    To summarise, I agree entirely with what Nick has written. For a
    change, this is a product that exceeds expectations and where the
    marketing claims match the product.

    After reading this post I decided to try an EverLED to replace one of
    the bulbs in my SMART BL201 (see
    http://www.sjscycles.com/store/vIndex.htm?item8379.htm). The bulb (at
    £28.20 from http://www.ultraleds.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=605)
    was more expensive than the lights new, so I was a little hesitant
    about trying this.

    I had previously replaced the 2.4W bulb with a 6W and made up a set of
    5 AA NiMH rechargeables to replace the lead acid battery supplied
    (actually 2 NiMH sets), the aim being to get acceptable illumination
    for my daily commute (about 45 mins each way). This worked well, but
    meant doing lots of recharging.

    I wanted the Everled to give me the same illumination but with greater
    battery life.

    I considered the Cateye EL-500, but my experience with the EL-300 is
    that, while it works quite well on fresh AA batteries, it isn't quite
    so bright with NiMH's as with alkaline cells. I had hoped the EL-300
    would replace my SMART system, but it was nowhere near good enough
    (only small patch of road/path illuminated). I don't know if cateye
    have included appropriate electronics with the EL-500 so that it will
    work well with NiMH cells and couldn't find this out from their web
    site. The Everled claims to work with a "1-6 cells" with "maximum
    light from 3 or more cells", so should be a good bet with
    rechargeables.

    The Everled easily exceeds the brightness of the 6W bulb in my lights,
    though it isn't as bright as the 10W one (subjective tests by using
    pairs of bulbs in the two housing of the light and switching between
    them illuminating the same spot on the wall).

    The Everled is a pure white light, certainly much harsher than the
    halogen it replaces, but without the blue cast of my EL-300.

    Ultraleds supplied this next day and will certainly get an order for
    another to replace the second bulb in my light set.

    Like Nick, I am interested to know if the EL-500 would have done just
    as well in terms of light output (with rechargeables) and battery life
    (potentially it could as, I understand, it uses the same Luxeon Star
    LED technology), but if you are currently using a 5W or less
    incandescent bulb in a 4.5V or more light, you would certainly benefit
    from an EverLED bulb for increased light output and battery life.

    Andrew Webster

  4. If you want bright, you won't be happy with the EL500. It's much better
    than the EL300 though, and you can certainly ride with it on a
    dark, pothole-free road with no problem. The road surface will
    go invisible if there are many competing lights though.

    I have 3 of them on my handlebars - I just added two and like the
    size and construction and the battery life, which makes it possible
    to make it home without rationing the light - and ordered a 4th for
    a spare spot I think I can squeeze it in. Three of them is getting
    up there in light, maybe 4 will do it. $40 at bikeman.com

    I was happy with the Cateye halogen HL-1500 (also uses 4 AA's) pair
    I had but the batteries didn't last long enough without rationing
    the light to long half-power periods.

    The EL500's look very bright from the front, and they're instantly
    spotted as vehicle-like by traffic itching to pull in front of you
    otherwise, anyway if you have more than one of them on the handlebars.

    They turn on their mounts very easily, so you're reaiming them a lot,
    compared to the old Cateye mounts. Not that they turn on their own
    so much as that operating the switch will turn them.
    --
    Ron Hardin
    [email hidden]

    On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

  5. Having recently perchased an EL-500, I thought I'd chip in with my 2
    cents worth.

    Following a tip in another post I installed Lithium batteries in the
    light. (which I found at a good price on E-bay)

    These batteries put out about 1.75V as compared to the Alkalines,
    which put out about 1.5V.

    In my opinion, this light works quite well and is a noticeable
    improvement over both my EL-110 and my EL-300.

    Unfortunately the beam pattern is in the shape of the Cateye symbol
    and I think it would be better if it was a circle. Maybe they wanted
    to advertize to spy satelites how many people use their product?

    Lewis.

    *************************

    [email hidden] (Andrew Webster) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (NLee1875) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    August 16, 2004

    Hello all..

    Back in May, I posted an inquiry about the EverLed PR bulb. The bulb had good
    reviews but I was not convinced.

    After reading a review by a respected bike rider Bruce Ingle in the topica.com
    newsgroup.. I decided to do my own informal evaluation.


    <cut>

    Quoted message said:

    EverLED PR base flashlilght...You need one of these. NO KIDDING!


    <cut>

    Quoted message said:

    Nick Lee


    To summarise, I agree entirely with what Nick has written. For a
    change, this is a product that exceeds expectations and where the
    marketing claims match the product.

    After reading this post I decided to try an EverLED to replace one of
    the bulbs in my SMART BL201 (see
    http://www.sjscycles.com/store/vIndex.htm?item8379.htm). The bulb (at
    £28.20 from http://www.ultraleds.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=605)
    was more expensive than the lights new, so I was a little hesitant
    about trying this.

    I had previously replaced the 2.4W bulb with a 6W and made up a set of
    5 AA NiMH rechargeables to replace the lead acid battery supplied
    (actually 2 NiMH sets), the aim being to get acceptable illumination
    for my daily commute (about 45 mins each way). This worked well, but
    meant doing lots of recharging.

    I wanted the Everled to give me the same illumination but with greater
    battery life.

    I considered the Cateye EL-500, but my experience with the EL-300 is
    that, while it works quite well on fresh AA batteries, it isn't quite
    so bright with NiMH's as with alkaline cells. I had hoped the EL-300
    would replace my SMART system, but it was nowhere near good enough
    (only small patch of road/path illuminated). I don't know if cateye
    have included appropriate electronics with the EL-500 so that it will
    work well with NiMH cells and couldn't find this out from their web
    site. The Everled claims to work with a "1-6 cells" with "maximum
    light from 3 or more cells", so should be a good bet with
    rechargeables.

    The Everled easily exceeds the brightness of the 6W bulb in my lights,
    though it isn't as bright as the 10W one (subjective tests by using
    pairs of bulbs in the two housing of the light and switching between
    them illuminating the same spot on the wall).

    The Everled is a pure white light, certainly much harsher than the
    halogen it replaces, but without the blue cast of my EL-300.

    Ultraleds supplied this next day and will certainly get an order for
    another to replace the second bulb in my light set.

    Like Nick, I am interested to know if the EL-500 would have done just
    as well in terms of light output (with rechargeables) and battery life
    (potentially it could as, I understand, it uses the same Luxeon Star
    LED technology), but if you are currently using a 5W or less
    incandescent bulb in a 4.5V or more light, you would certainly benefit
    from an EverLED bulb for increased light output and battery life.

    Andrew Webster

  6. Ron Hardin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    If you want bright, you won't be happy with the EL500. It's much better
    than the EL300 though, and you can certainly ride with it on a
    dark, pothole-free road with no problem. The road surface will
    go invisible if there are many competing lights though.


    <cut>
    I'm really more interested in decent battery life. I generally only
    cycle at night on roads I know well and have front and rear xenon
    strobes for being seen.
    I don't think anyone wanting super-brightness would be considering LED
    lights.

    I do prefer to use rechargeable batteries. Do you have any experience
    of these in your array of EL500s?

    Quoted message said:

    They turn on their mounts very easily, so you're reaiming them a lot,
    compared to the old Cateye mounts. Not that they turn on their own
    so much as that operating the switch will turn them.

    I'm not sure what you mean by the "old cateye mounts".

    Is this the same bracket as the EL-300 (cateye web site doesn't make
    this clear)? (having invested in an EL-300 bracket for four of my
    bikes it would certainly influence me if the EL-500 were the same).

    Andrew Webster

  7. [email hidden] (Lewis Campbell) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Having recently perchased an EL-500, I thought I'd chip in with my 2
    cents worth.

    Following a tip in another post I installed Lithium batteries in the
    light. (which I found at a good price on E-bay)

    These batteries put out about 1.75V as compared to the Alkalines,
    which put out about 1.5V.

    In my opinion, this light works quite well and is a noticeable
    improvement over both my EL-110 and my EL-300.

    Unfortunately the beam pattern is in the shape of the Cateye symbol
    and I think it would be better if it was a circle. Maybe they wanted
    to advertize to spy satelites how many people use their product?

    Lewis.


    I infer from this that the EL-500 is voltage dependant in a way in
    which the EverLED bulb isn't. If it is brighter with lithium
    batteries then I presume it will be dimmer with NiMH or other
    nominally 1.2V rechargeables. Do you have any experience with this
    that would confirm or confute my inference?

    Thanks

    Andrew Webster

  8. Andrew Webster said:

    I do prefer to use rechargeable batteries. Do you have any experience
    of these in your array of EL500s?

    I'm using NiMH. I haven't tried anything else.
    --
    Ron Hardin
    [email hidden]

    On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

  9. [email hidden] (Andrew Webster) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Lewis Campbell) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Having recently perchased an EL-500, I thought I'd chip in with my 2
    cents worth.

    Following a tip in another post I installed Lithium batteries in the
    light. (which I found at a good price on E-bay)

    These batteries put out about 1.75V as compared to the Alkalines,
    which put out about 1.5V.

    In my opinion, this light works quite well and is a noticeable
    improvement over both my EL-110 and my EL-300.

    Unfortunately the beam pattern is in the shape of the Cateye symbol
    and I think it would be better if it was a circle. Maybe they wanted
    to advertize to spy satelites how many people use their product?

    Lewis.


    I infer from this that the EL-500 is voltage dependant in a way in
    which the EverLED bulb isn't. If it is brighter with lithium
    batteries then I presume it will be dimmer with NiMH or other
    nominally 1.2V rechargeables. Do you have any experience with this
    that would confirm or confute my inference?

    Thanks

    Andrew Webster

    *****************************************

    I'm sorry, Andrew, but I am an electrical dunce and have not done any
    testing with other types of battery.

    Since the Lithium batteries put out more power, I assumed they would
    be brighter, last longer, or both. Did someone give me a snow job?

    Lewis.

    ********************************

  10. Andrew Webster said:
    Quoted message said:

    They turn on their mounts very easily, so you're reaiming them a lot,
    compared to the old Cateye mounts. Not that they turn on their own
    so much as that operating the switch will turn them.

    I'm not sure what you mean by the "old cateye mounts".

    Is this the same bracket as the EL-300 (cateye web site doesn't make
    this clear)? (having invested in an EL-300 bracket for four of my
    bikes it would certainly influence me if the EL-500 were the same).

    It's the same mount as the EL300. The old mounts (HL1500 eg.) the light
    goes on from the rear, and there's a screwdriver needed to attach the
    mount to the bars.
    --
    Ron Hardin
    [email hidden]

    On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

  11. [email hidden] (Lewis Campbell) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Andrew Webster) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Lewis Campbell) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Having recently perchased an EL-500, I thought I'd chip in with my 2
    cents worth.

    Following a tip in another post I installed Lithium batteries in the
    light. (which I found at a good price on E-bay)

    These batteries put out about 1.75V as compared to the Alkalines,
    which put out about 1.5V.

    In my opinion, this light works quite well and is a noticeable
    improvement over both my EL-110 and my EL-300.

    Unfortunately the beam pattern is in the shape of the Cateye symbol
    and I think it would be better if it was a circle. Maybe they wanted
    to advertize to spy satelites how many people use their product?

    Lewis.


    I infer from this that the EL-500 is voltage dependant in a way in
    which the EverLED bulb isn't. If it is brighter with lithium
    batteries then I presume it will be dimmer with NiMH or other
    nominally 1.2V rechargeables. Do you have any experience with this
    that would confirm or confute my inference?

    Thanks

    Andrew Webster

    *****************************************

    I'm sorry, Andrew, but I am an electrical dunce and have not done any
    testing with other types of battery.

    Since the Lithium batteries put out more power, I assumed they would
    be brighter, last longer, or both. Did someone give me a snow job?

    Lewis.

    ********************************

    Lithium 1.75V, alkaline 1.5V, NiMH 1.2V is the approximate maximum
    voltage of each cell.

    In the absence of any fancy electronics the higher the voltage the
    brighter the light (Lithium batteries also have higher capacity, so
    last longer, but that is a different issue). So in a simple light
    lithium batteries should give more light.

    The light may have some sort of voltage regulation built in to make it
    work optimally with different voltage batteries (or to cope better
    with changes in voltage as batteries are used up), if this is the
    case then you may not be getting grater brightness from your lithium
    batteries, but you will still be getting longer life.

    Andrew Webster

  12. Ron Hardin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Andrew Webster said:

    I do prefer to use rechargeable batteries. Do you have any experience
    of these in your array of EL500s?

    I'm using NiMH. I haven't tried anything else.

    That's useful to know. It sounds like I should be investing in one of
    these as a spare.

  13. [email hidden] (Andrew Webster) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Lewis Campbell) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Andrew Webster) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Lewis Campbell) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
    > Having recently perchased an EL-500, I thought I'd chip in with my 2
    > cents worth.
    >
    > Following a tip in another post I installed Lithium batteries in the
    > light. (which I found at a good price on E-bay)
    >
    > These batteries put out about 1.75V as compared to the Alkalines,
    > which put out about 1.5V.
    >
    > In my opinion, this light works quite well and is a noticeable
    > improvement over both my EL-110 and my EL-300.
    >
    > Unfortunately the beam pattern is in the shape of the Cateye symbol
    > and I think it would be better if it was a circle. Maybe they wanted
    > to advertize to spy satelites how many people use their product?
    >
    > Lewis.
    >
    I infer from this that the EL-500 is voltage dependant in a way in
    which the EverLED bulb isn't. If it is brighter with lithium
    batteries then I presume it will be dimmer with NiMH or other
    nominally 1.2V rechargeables. Do you have any experience with this
    that would confirm or confute my inference?

    Thanks

    Andrew Webster

    *****************************************

    I'm sorry, Andrew, but I am an electrical dunce and have not done any
    testing with other types of battery.

    Since the Lithium batteries put out more power, I assumed they would
    be brighter, last longer, or both. Did someone give me a snow job?

    Lewis.

    ********************************

    Lithium 1.75V, alkaline 1.5V, NiMH 1.2V is the approximate maximum
    voltage of each cell.

    In the absence of any fancy electronics the higher the voltage the
    brighter the light (Lithium batteries also have higher capacity, so
    last longer, but that is a different issue). So in a simple light
    lithium batteries should give more light.

    The light may have some sort of voltage regulation built in to make it
    work optimally with different voltage batteries (or to cope better
    with changes in voltage as batteries are used up), if this is the
    case then you may not be getting grater brightness from your lithium
    batteries, but you will still be getting longer life.

    Andrew Webster

    *************************************
    Thanks, Andrew.

    BTW, no pun intended here, right? :-) >>>So in a simple light
    lithium batteries should give more light.<<<

    Lewis.

    ***************

  14. Ron Hardin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    If you want bright, you won't be happy with the EL500. It's much better
    than the EL300 though, and you can certainly ride with it on a
    dark, pothole-free road with no problem. The road surface will
    go invisible if there are many competing lights though.

    I have 3 of them on my handlebars - I just added two and like the
    size and construction and the battery life, which makes it possible
    to make it home without rationing the light - and ordered a 4th for
    a spare spot I think I can squeeze it in. Three of them is getting
    up there in light, maybe 4 will do it. $40 at bikeman.com

    Just tried two Super Spot headlights (Planet Bike) and was very
    pleased with the wide and bright light angle. On a dark alleyway, the
    whole laneway is revealed. Thanks to your tip, I'll try 3 Super Spots
    next. With the Super Spot ($25 each) small mount footing, it is
    possible to mount a number of them on a handlebar, and some can go
    upside-down, too. Using NiMH 1.2V rechargeables causes the light to
    change, very slightly, to a greenish tint, but not adversely so. I
    also use a 7-LED "LDG" LED in "flashing" mode, for visibility, but
    this light is no longer sold. I prefer the LDG to a Lightman xenon
    strobe light (the Lightman is said to be used for helicopter drop
    zones.) The strobe gave me headaches.

    The Super Spot headlight does not pan, but with its wide angle beam,
    it was not necessary to do so. The Super Spot has an easy-off,
    quick-on mount. I haven't seen anything slicker where the whole system
    comes off in a small neat package, this quickly. Its plasticky mount
    seems to have enough "give" to take road shocks, unlike the CatEye
    EL300 which used a rigid plastic, and which EL300 was said to break
    off, although that didn't happen to me.

    Too bad the Super Spot didn't come with a helmet-mount, or an option
    for a helmet-mount.

    I would also prefer to see a 3-watt Super Spot on a camping headlamp,
    with 3 AA batteries in a back-of-the-head pack, like the Yukon HL, but
    lower, so the battery pack doesn't contact the bike helmet. Sure,
    it'll last four hours use, but I can carry spare NiMH AA's easily.

    Apparently, Princeton Tec and Petzl are bringing out 3-watt Luxeon
    headlamps, according to several trade show attendees' posts in other
    boards. So, it might be safe to assume that 3-watt and 5-watt Luxeon
    bicycle headlights won't be too far off. I'd rather have one 3-watt
    headlight than three 1-watt headlights on the bike. What about you?

  15. Ron Hardin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    If you want bright, you won't be happy with the EL500. It's much better
    than the EL300 though, and you can certainly ride with it on a
    dark, pothole-free road with no problem. The road surface will
    go invisible if there are many competing lights though.

    I have 3 of them on my handlebars - I just added two and like the
    size and construction and the battery life, which makes it possible
    to make it home without rationing the light - and ordered a 4th for
    a spare spot I think I can squeeze it in. Three of them is getting
    up there in light, maybe 4 will do it. $40 at bikeman.com

    Just tried two Super Spot headlights (Planet Bike) and was very
    pleased with the wide and bright light angle. On a dark alleyway, the
    whole laneway is revealed. Thanks to your tip, I'll try 3 Super Spots
    next. With the Super Spot ($25 each) small mount footing, it is
    possible to mount a number of them on a handlebar, and some can go
    upside-down, too. Using NiMH 1.2V rechargeables causes the light to
    change, very slightly, to a greenish tint, but not adversely so. I
    also use a 7-LED "LDG" LED in "flashing" mode, for visibility, but
    this light is no longer sold. I prefer the LDG to a Lightman xenon
    strobe light (the Lightman is said to be used for helicopter drop
    zones.) The strobe gave me headaches.

    The Super Spot headlight does not pan, but with its wide angle beam,
    it was not necessary to do so. The Super Spot has an easy-off,
    quick-on mount. I haven't seen anything slicker where the whole system
    comes off in a small neat package, this quickly. Its plasticky mount
    seems to have enough "give" to take road shocks, unlike the CatEye
    EL300 which used a rigid plastic, and which EL300 was said to break
    off, although that didn't happen to me.

    Too bad the Super Spot didn't come with a helmet-mount, or an option
    for a helmet-mount.

    I would also prefer to see a 3-watt Super Spot on a camping headlamp,
    with 3 AA batteries in a back-of-the-head pack, like the Yukon HL, but
    lower, so the battery pack doesn't contact the bike helmet. Sure,
    it'll last four hours use, but I can carry spare NiMH AA's easily.

    Apparently, Princeton Tec and Petzl are bringing out 3-watt Luxeon
    headlamps, according to several trade show attendees' posts in other
    boards. So, it might be safe to assume that 3-watt and 5-watt Luxeon
    bicycle headlights won't be too far off. I'd rather have one 3-watt
    headlight than three 1-watt headlights on the bike. What about you?

  16. [email hidden] (Lewis Campbell) wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    I'm sorry, Andrew, but I am an electrical dunce and have not done any
    testing with other types of battery.

    Since the Lithium batteries put out more power, I assumed they would
    be brighter, last longer, or both. Did someone give me a snow job?

    Lewis.

    ********************************

    Warning: Don't use lithium AA batteries in any unregulated LED system
    because the Lithiums have a higher voltage. Furthermore, in low-draw
    applications, the Lithium AA will NOT have any greater life than
    regular alkalines or NiMH. I find 2200 MaH NiMH batteries
    satisfactory.

    One LED in my Yukon headlamp went stroboscopic after I used Lithium
    AA's. Fortunately, the Princeton Tec Yukon headlamp came with a
    lifetime guarantee.

    Here's my experience with batteries/lights, number of hours before the
    LED started dimming substantially, approximately.

    Yukon headlamp with 3 LEDs on: 12 hours on 1700 MaH NiMH, 3 AA

    Yukon headlamp with 1 xenon bult: 4 hours on 1700 MaH NiMH, 3 AA

    Super Spot (1-watt LED): Alkaline battery was 1/2 depleted according
    to my "battery fuel gauge" after 4 hours, using 4 non-rechargeable
    alkaline AA's

    My recommendation? Use NiMH rechargeable batteries. I could not
    observe any brightness difference in the 1-watt Super Spot headlights
    whether 1.20V NiMH or 1.57V alkalines were used.

  17. [email hidden] (Lewis Campbell) wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    I'm sorry, Andrew, but I am an electrical dunce and have not done any
    testing with other types of battery.

    Since the Lithium batteries put out more power, I assumed they would
    be brighter, last longer, or both. Did someone give me a snow job?

    Lewis.

    ********************************

    Warning: Don't use lithium AA batteries in any unregulated LED system
    because the Lithiums have a higher voltage. Furthermore, in low-draw
    applications, the Lithium AA will NOT have any greater life than
    regular alkalines or NiMH. I find 2200 MaH NiMH batteries
    satisfactory.

    One LED in my Yukon headlamp went stroboscopic after I used Lithium
    AA's. Fortunately, the Princeton Tec Yukon headlamp came with a
    lifetime guarantee.

    Here's my experience with batteries/lights, number of hours before the
    LED started dimming substantially, approximately.

    Yukon headlamp with 3 LEDs on: 12 hours on 1700 MaH NiMH, 3 AA

    Yukon headlamp with 1 xenon bult: 4 hours on 1700 MaH NiMH, 3 AA

    Super Spot (1-watt LED): Alkaline battery was 1/2 depleted according
    to my "battery fuel gauge" after 4 hours, using 4 non-rechargeable
    alkaline AA's

    My recommendation? Use NiMH rechargeable batteries. I could not
    observe any brightness difference in the 1-watt Super Spot headlights
    whether 1.20V NiMH or 1.57V alkalines were used.

  18. [email hidden] (NLee1875) wrote in message > Nick Lee

    Quoted message said:

    Sparks, NV
    carless since January 2000
    member of the 5 digit club (over 10,000 bicycle miles each year) since YR 2000.

    Congratulations, Nick Lee, for implementing the book, "Divorce The
    Car" and saving yourself $6,000/year likely. You are possibly $24,000
    richer today and healthier, and your health is priceless.

    If you move to a hilly town, suggest you look into hub motors, as hub
    motors can spin at 50MPH (no load) at 48V. Some hub motors can be
    over-volted to 72 volts, and Gawd knows what speed. Braking will be a
    real problem, but parachute-braking may be an option. With a trailer
    full of batteries and a fast-charger, a cyclist can tour.

    Saw a recumbent with a 1HP electric-motor trailer going uphill 25MPH,
    owner said he had a 35 mile range, too. The trailer was made from a
    low-profile streamlined car-topper sailboard carrier. He wasn't
    pedalling uphill. However, I noticed his wires were melting, too small
    gauge for the load, and he'll hafta double-up wires likely.

    Didya read about a feller from Japan on a fully-suspended lightweight
    Yamaha Li-On electric scooter doing a round-the-world tour with his
    wife charging 6 packs, on a vehicle behind him -- that's service!

    Also saw a 1970 Honda Passport, running on an E-Tek (Etek?) electric
    motor with four 18AH batteries laid out on outrigger, like a BMW
    flat-twin. This 48V Passport was popping wheelies and a motorcycle
    mechanic witnessing the acceleration said the Passport was as
    accelerating as fast as a '750. Range was 20 miles suppossedly. I'd
    pull a cargo trailer with it, and try NiMH batteries, as single (not
    multi-cell) 12-volt NiMH cells are now available.

    Cheers!

  19. [email hidden] (NLee1875) wrote in message >

    Quoted message said:

    Finally.. Cateye has the new EL-500 now.. If the same Cateye marketing guy that
    overhyped the EL-300 when it was initially introduced, EL-500 will probably
    disappoint as well.

    Thanks for your great review of the PR Luxeon bulb. As far as postings
    and reviews of the Cateye HL-EL-500 (HL-EL500?), this 1-watt Cateye
    has the same allegedly prone-to-break bike handlebar mount. According
    to one poster (or reviewer), if my recollection is correct, he/she
    broke several Cateye EL-300 headlights' mount. I've owned many Cateye
    headlights, and the plastic Cateye uses cracks when dropped, unlike
    other, more durable plastic (rubberized plastic?) headlights, such as
    Nite-Hawk and Planet Bike. Thanks again for your comments and user
    report! Nicely done review, cheers!

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