'04 Veloce vs Centaur vs Chorus vs Record

I would just get the Centaur group, worth the extra $150-$200. I have 01
Chorus and if I was buying now I would get Centaur.
"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Aside from price, prestige, weight, and finish, is there a real
reason (e.g., reliability, shift ease, braking, feel, maintainability)
to choose one of the above over the others?

I'm looking at am '04 parts list, and it appears the Veloce hub is
a step down. So, right now I'm thinking Veloce with Centaur hubs.
Any other components where a change would be in order?

Thanks,

-=Dave=-

Dave said:

Aside from price, prestige, weight, and finish, is there a real
reason (e.g., reliability, shift ease, braking, feel, maintainability)
to choose one of the above over the others?

I'm looking at am '04 parts list, and it appears the Veloce hub is
a step down. So, right now I'm thinking Veloce with Centaur hubs.

That's a good combo.

Quoted message said:

Any other components where a change would be in order?

Centaur chainrings theoretically last longer than Veloce, Centaur Ergos
have holes in downshift levers for a better feel. Other than that, no
good reason to have all-Centaur+ if weight is not a concern as function is
the same. Many of the designs and small parts are the same or very
similar, Mirage and Xenon included to some extent. See the Spare Parts
section of the Campagnolo website.

~PB

dave-<< Aside from price, prestige, weight, and finish, is there a real
reason (e.g., reliability, shift ease, braking, feel, maintainability)
to choose one of the above over the others? >><BR><BR>

Nope-functionally they are all the same-

dave-<< I'm looking at am '04 parts list, and it appears the Veloce hub is
a step down. So, right now I'm thinking Veloce with Centaur hubs.
Any other components where a change would be in order? >><BR><BR>

Good choice altho nothing really wrong with the Veloce hubs

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

Dave wrote:

*I don't think so, The rear hub has sealed bearings and work just fine,
they are not that different from Record hubs of years past, except for
the bearings.

I have a set of these built on Galli Top Pro tubular rims with Vittoria
All weather Pro tires. These are the wheels and tires I use when the
roads are rainy, wet, slippery and cold. They work just fine for this.

IMO, the only thing you give up over the current Chorus & Record is weight.

Bernice

Quoted message said:

I'm looking at am '04 parts list, and it appears the Veloce hub is
a step down.

Dave said:

Aside from price, prestige, weight, and finish, is there a real
reason (e.g., reliability, shift ease, braking, feel, maintainability)
to choose one of the above over the others?

I'm looking at am '04 parts list, and it appears the Veloce hub is
a step down. So, right now I'm thinking Veloce with Centaur hubs.
Any other components where a change would be in order?

Thanks,

-=Dave=-

Hi,

I bought Veloce with Chorus hubs. Had read some negative reviews
about the Veloce hubs and they were a lot heavier than Chorus.

My only regret is in the quality of the finish. The crank set for
example works fine but the finish is crude. Like old Shimano 105, you
can see the mold marks on the sides of the spider. But again it works
well, and cost a lot less than Record or Chorus or even Centaur.

Regards

Just calculated the difference in weight between Centaur 2004 and Veloce 2004. Comes to a grand total of 0.242 lbs so i wouldn't worry too much on that score.
These are the weights of the Campag 2004 groupsets :

Xenon : 6.120 lbs Mirage : 6.085 lbs Veloce : 5.731 lbs Centaur : 5.489
lbs Chorus : 5.146 lbs Record : 4.490 lbs

For what it's worth i decided, after much pondering, to buy last years
Centaur 9 speed groupset for my new bike. Picked it up for only slightly
more than the new Veloce costs. The Centaur has a better finish than
Veloce, is slightly lighter, has better Ergo levers and a superior
chainset. Though i use a Veloce cassette to keep the cost down.

Don't like the idea of 10 speed. The cassette costs more, the chain is
thinner and therefore not as strong as the 9 speed, chainrings are also
thinner to accomodate the chain. Couldn't justify spending another 250
pound on the Chorus for a more polished finish either.

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crystal-<< The Centaur has a better finish than
Veloce, is slightly lighter, has better Ergo levers and a superior >><BR><BR>
<< chainrings are also
thinner to accomodate the chain. >><BR><BR>

Centaur levers are the same as Veloce save the hole in the shifter and the big
ring is offset towards the small rig for 10s but the same thickness as 9s....

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

Sorry to be pedantic but according to Campag's website Centaur ergos
are derived from the Record levers unlike Veloce. They also have light
alloy levers the same as Chorus. The holes in the middle aren't there
just for cosmetic purposes..oh no ! but are incorporated into the
design to save vital grams lol Centaur chainrings are Ultra Drive
which, according to the advertising blurb, increases resistance to wear
and reduces chain attrition as compared to the older Exa Drive on
Veloce. Front derailleur on Centaur has anti friction insert to make
changes a little smoother. All in all i think paying the extra for
Centaur over Veloce is well worth it.

--

crystal_tears_ said:

Just calculated the difference in weight between Centaur 2004 and Veloce 2004. Comes to a grand total of 0.242 lbs so i wouldn't worry too much on that score.
These are the weights of the Campag 2004 groupsets :

Xenon : 6.120 lbs Mirage : 6.085 lbs Veloce : 5.731 lbs Centaur : 5.489
lbs Chorus : 5.146 lbs Record : 4.490 lbs

For what it's worth i decided, after much pondering, to buy last years
Centaur 9 speed groupset for my new bike. Picked it up for only slightly
more than the new Veloce costs. The Centaur has a better finish than
Veloce, is slightly lighter, has better Ergo levers and a superior
chainset. Though i use a Veloce cassette to keep the cost down.

Don't like the idea of 10 speed. The cassette costs more, the chain is
thinner and therefore not as strong as the 9 speed, chainrings are also
thinner to accomodate the chain. Couldn't justify spending another 250
pound on the Chorus for a more polished finish either.

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Logical, mostly. Centaur does share the neat Chorus hubs.
Where did you see an Ergo difference besides the cutout?

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

One other point regarding Veloce/Centaur. I have had 3 Veloce bottom
brackets and all of them started making a noise like a bag of spanners
in a washing machine after about 1500 miles. Worth upgrading the bracket
to Chorus if you can - the design of that is basically Record without
the carbon bits.

Anyone else had problems with the Veloce/Centaur bottom bracket?

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crystal_tears_ <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Sorry to be pedantic but according to Campag's website Centaur ergos
are derived from the Record levers unlike Veloce. They also have light
alloy levers the same as Chorus. The holes in the middle aren't there
just for cosmetic purposes..oh no ! but are incorporated into the
design to save vital grams lol Centaur chainrings are Ultra Drive
which, according to the advertising blurb, increases resistance to wear
and reduces chain attrition as compared to the older Exa Drive on
Veloce. Front derailleur on Centaur has anti friction insert to make
changes a little smoother. All in all i think paying the extra for
Centaur over Veloce is well worth it.

This is interesting. It was my understanding that the difference
between Chorus and Centaur Ergo levers is that the Chorus has the Ball
Bearing System (pivots on a BB), while the Centaur pivoted on a
bushing. Performance-wise, there doesn't appear to be any difference.
If the Veloce shifters use the same bushing pivots that the Centaur
has, and not the "ball bearing" used in the Chorus, wouldn't the
Veloce shifter be closer to Centaur?

A Muzi said:

crystal_tears_ said:

Just calculated the difference in weight between Centaur 2004 and
Veloce 2004. Comes to a grand total of 0.242 lbs so i wouldn't worry
too much on that score. These are the weights of the Campag 2004
groupsets :

Xenon : 6.120 lbs Mirage : 6.085 lbs Veloce : 5.731 lbs Centaur :
5.489 lbs Chorus : 5.146 lbs Record : 4.490 lbs

For what it's worth i decided, after much pondering, to buy last
years Centaur 9 speed groupset for my new bike. Picked it up for
only slightly more than the new Veloce costs. The Centaur has a
better finish than Veloce, is slightly lighter, has better Ergo
levers and a superior chainset. Though i use a Veloce cassette to
keep the cost down.

Don't like the idea of 10 speed. The cassette costs more, the chain is
thinner and therefore not as strong as the 9 speed, chainrings are
also thinner to accomodate the chain. Couldn't justify spending
another 250 pound on the Chorus for a more polished finish either.

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Logical, mostly. Centaur does share the neat Chorus hubs. Where did you
see an Ergo difference besides the cutout?
--
Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Well i'm only quoting info from the official Campagnolo website. Very
interesting it is too.

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