This is a bit naive of you to think a public company (i.e. most corporate environments) puts shareholders first. With rare exceptions, in a publically owned company with high margins we throw away more money in perks for upper level employees, bad processes, bureurcracy, creating useless kingdoms and politics than you can believe possible... when you can still show a 30% profit where is the motivation to increase that when the "shareholders" are satisfied? I am not saying it is a conscious decision, but things are so much more focused on profit for "shareholders" in a privately held company by far. But yeah you are totally right about one thing...everyone is still a tool, myself included. 😉
Word up....and Power to the People 😉
For the most part.. I ment Private companies desire to appease the "share-holders" ........ , and I suppose Public companies aren't as focused on making an increasing profit margin - quarter to quarter... year to year.
Thats a nasty synthetic organism(mainly larger corperate entities) ......... I wash my hands with that mess completely :eek: :o
As I like to say... everyone is someone else's [censored].
But you're dead on right... A corporation is simply a machine that moves money from it's customers to it's executives and shareholders. That goes for all human organizations. All human organizations are ponsi schemes that move power from the lower levels of the organization to the upper levels.
The beauty is that you if realise this fairly early on and you understand how organizations usurp power and enforce control on the associated people the quicker you can align yourself to profit from your knowledge and avoid being a [censored].
The most powerful control mechanism to avoid? Debt.
The most insidious control mechanism? Organized religion.
Adam-from-SLO said:
Ahhhhhhhhhhh A wanna-be Puppet-Master ........ however, most people fail to realize that EVERYONE in the corperate hierarchy are simply Puppets themselves >>> helping to cut costs/create a profit >>> all for the sake of the share-holders to later cash in on(dividends, etc.). Talk about a bunch of rabid-animals 😉
If you enjoy making someone else a profit.... more power to you :o
The beauty is that you if realise this fairly early on and you understand how organizations usurp power and enforce control on the associated people the quicker you can align yourself to profit from your knowledge and avoid being a [censored].
My parents always taught me two wrongs don't make a right....
IronDonut said:
The most powerful control mechanism to avoid? Debt.
The most insidious control mechanism? Organized religion.
It's not about being wrong or dishonest. Actually the opposite. It's about detecting the dishonesty that powers the social machinery that seeks to steal your power away from you for someone else's profit.
It's understanding the real motives of the banking system to harness you to endless debt so that you transfer the fruits of your labor to them. It's understanding that keeping up with the Jones actually makes both you and the Jones poorer and others richer. It's that your 401k plan and health benifits that are keeping you chained to a [censored] job are actually a control mechanism designed to keep you bound earning much less than you are worth. That patriotism and flag waving are just social enforcements designed enforce group thinking on the individual at great cost to his freedom of thought...
It's not about two wrongs making a right... It's about looking at the reality of the world as it is and plotting the best course though the [censored] without stepping in any traps along the way.
wilmar13 said:
My parents always taught me two wrongs don't make a right....
It's not about being wrong or dishonest. Actually the opposite. It's about detecting the dishonesty that powers the social machinery that seeks to steal your power away from you for someone else's profit.
It's understanding the real motives of the banking system to harness you to endless debt so that you transfer the fruits of your labor to them. It's understanding that keeping up with the Jones actually makes both you and the Jones poorer and others richer. It's that your 401k plan and health benifits that are keeping you chained to a [censored] job are actually a control mechanism designed to keep you bound earning much less than you are worth. That patriotism and flag waving are just social enforcements designed enforce group thinking on the individual at great cost to his freedom of thought...
It's not about two wrongs making a right... It's about looking at the reality of the world as it is and plotting the best course though the [censored] without stepping in any traps along the way.
While I disagree with your condemnation of Carbon fiber, I totally agree with you on this... however my tongue in cheek comment regarding two wrongs was that you were implying to not only wake up to the scheme but also to join in and reap the rewards from the endless supply of suckers.
You can make frame and component parts out of it that would have pretty good impact and abrasion resistance, but because of the low specific modulus they would end up weighing a ton.
Not really. Ti has a specific cutting energy that's lower than most high strength steel and nickel alloys. It has some issues with heat buildup, but they're manageable. Under the right conditions, it machines pretty easily.
From what I was led to believe it´s the welding that´s complicated as you need to do it in rather more than just an inert environment as with TIG but in a total vacumn which is a bit harder to achieve - I may be wrong and if I am then I´ll stand corrected but that´s what I heard ( welding in vacumn ) .
I was looking into getting a TIG welding setup that could handle Ti fabrication work. With steel and aluminum it's acceptable to have shielding gas on side of the joint you are welding.
So if you were welding steel tubing you'd have inert shielding gas on the outside of the tubing and nothing on the inside. Welding Ti you have to maintain shielding gas on both sides of the weld. So the inside of the frame has to have inert shielding gas flowing though it. And the sheilding gas has to continue to flow around the weld until the joint reaches a critical temperature. 800F seems to stick in my head. Aside from that the joints have to be perfectly clean and free of contamination as do the TIG tip and filler wire.
Never actually did any Ti welding that just what I've read.
el Inglés said:
From what I was led to believe it´s the welding that´s complicated as you need to do it in rather more than just an inert environment as with TIG but in a total vacumn which is a bit harder to achieve - I may be wrong and if I am then I´ll stand corrected but that´s what I heard ( welding in vacumn ) .
It's not about two wrongs making a right... It's about looking at the reality of the world as it is and plotting the best course though the [censored] without stepping in any traps along the way.
WOW... how true.. very true , however... basically impossible. Everyone makes mistakes/accidents every now, and again ... its just human nature.
Thats why I am plotting a course towards a profession that deals with cleaning up other peoples mistakes/accidents .... since they seem to happen daily .... not that thats a bad/ or good thing ..... 🙂
PS......nice to see this thread getting back on track. I still say 9spd>> because its an odd number 😉
Thats why I am plotting a course towards a profession that deals with cleaning up other peoples mistakes/accidents .... since they seem to happen daily ....
I hear crime scene cleaners can make some good coin, the working conditions leave something to be desired however...
no, not that ......... thats pretty hard-core , and no different then a glamorized mop-up- *itch getting 4X minimum wage 😉
Everyone is missing the key, here: the muy important thing is to have a job that makes you grin, trips your giggle trigger, and/or allows you to play with really cool/expensive toys. For me that means being in a lab. What is even more important is to avoid being tagged for or moved into any management or quasi-management position. Such a move, 99% of the time, means no more play time in the lab and the loss of all the cool toys. My strategy for maintaining this status is to [censored] my overlords just enough that they never consider me for management, but not so much that they seriously consider firing me.
Of course it's also important to get a job w/ flex time that way a guy can maximize play time, but that goes without saying...
Everyone is missing the key, here: the muy important thing is to have a job that makes you grin, trips your giggle trigger, and/or allows you to play with really cool/expensive toys. For me that means being in a lab. What is even more important is to avoid being tagged for or moved into any management or quasi-management position. Such a move, 99% of the time, means no more play time in the lab and the loss of all the cool toys. My strategy for maintaining this status is to [censored] my overlords just enough that they never consider me for management, but not so much that they seriously consider firing me.
Of course it's also important to get a job w/ flex time that way a guy can maximize play time, but that goes without saying...
Yeah, I agree, management does suck... I had much more fun as a Hawkeye and BJ (remember M*A*S*H)... being a smart ass prankster that can get away with it because of sheer competence... my next career move will be back to the technical ranks (I hope!).
