29er is the future....

On Jun 10, 9:28 am, "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Does anyone know why Trek and Specialized are stonewalling the 29er
revolution?

Because they are preparing for the 27er revolution, which has already
begun.

JD

On Jun 10, 10:28 am, "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Does anyone know why Trek and Specialized are stonewalling the 29er
revolution?

Lord I hope this is a bad troll.

Face it ...Trek via Fisher was the first major company to produce
multiple models of 29er. Why would a single corporation (trek/fisher)
produce bikes that directly compete for a niche market? As for the bet
on the 69/96 market, it only makes sense. The Fisher side continues to
produce the 29's and (somewhat under pressure from TB) Trek jumps into
the 69/96 market.

As for SBC, I assume you are refering to their attempt to block 29ers
from UCI competition. Eityher that or you just have your head up your
@ss. While it is true that they tried to block them from competition,
that was probably because it takes a while for large companies to pull
new models together. It has been well documented that Filip Meirhaeghe
had asked that Specialized develop a 29 for him in 2002/2003, of
course all that was put on hold in 2004. Atleast there was some
trickle down from the Meirhaeghe disaster, Specialized 29er tires have
been available since last season. Now, with the new models beginning
to trickle in, the new Stumpjumpers and Rockhopper 29ers will be out
shortly. (July-October?)

Quoted message said:

It's obvious to anyone now, that the 29er is the way to go.

For what application?

Quoted message said:

Trek has a 69er, that is truely an extended middle finger to the 29er
movement.

How do you figure that?

55ers (69/96ers) are part of an evolution ...or outgrowth of the 29er
market. Trek openly said, last year, the T.B. had asked for a "69er"
and that if interest was good enough, it would go into production. How
is that "an extended middle finger" when they have not withdrawn any
29ers from the Fisher side of the company?

There have been small market producers of 69/96ers for several years
now and many of them produce 29ers as well.

Quoted message said:

They make bikes, why not make something people want,

If 29ers were what "people want," then current demand would outstrip
production ....
or are you just looking for a wider selection?

Quoted message said:

and is superior to what they offer now?

Superior in what way? All bikes have drawbacks. Here are a few that
most everyone agrees with (there are more) for 29ers.

29ers are harder to spin up. They have a more limited tire selection
(although it is growing all the time). 29ers are harder to get around
tight switchbacks.

R

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Does anyone know why Trek and Specialized are stonewalling the 29er
revolution?

Lord I hope this is a bad troll.

Face it ...Trek via Fisher was the first major company to produce
multiple models of 29er. Why would a single corporation (trek/fisher)
produce bikes that directly compete for a niche market? As for the bet
on the 69/96 market, it only makes sense. The Fisher side continues to
produce the 29's and (somewhat under pressure from TB) Trek jumps into
the 69/96 market.

As for SBC, I assume you are refering to their attempt to block 29ers
from UCI competition. Eityher that or you just have your head up your
@ss. While it is true that they tried to block them from competition,
that was probably because it takes a while for large companies to pull
new models together. It has been well documented that Filip Meirhaeghe
had asked that Specialized develop a 29 for him in 2002/2003, of
course all that was put on hold in 2004. Atleast there was some
trickle down from the Meirhaeghe disaster, Specialized 29er tires have
been available since last season. Now, with the new models beginning
to trickle in, the new Stumpjumpers and Rockhopper 29ers will be out
shortly. (July-October?)

Quoted message said:

It's obvious to anyone now, that the 29er is the way to go.

For what application?

Quoted message said:

Trek has a 69er, that is truely an extended middle finger to the 29er
movement.

How do you figure that?

55ers (69/96ers) are part of an evolution ...or outgrowth of the 29er
market. Trek openly said, last year, the T.B. had asked for a "69er"
and that if interest was good enough, it would go into production. How
is that "an extended middle finger" when they have not withdrawn any
29ers from the Fisher side of the company?

There have been small market producers of 69/96ers for several years
now and many of them produce 29ers as well.

Quoted message said:

They make bikes, why not make something people want,

If 29ers were what "people want," then current demand would outstrip
production ....
or are you just looking for a wider selection?

Quoted message said:

and is superior to what they offer now?

Superior in what way? All bikes have drawbacks. Here are a few that
most everyone agrees with (there are more) for 29ers.

29ers are harder to spin up. They have a more limited tire selection
(although it is growing all the time). 29ers are harder to get around
tight switchbacks.

----------
I guess I didn't know what I was talking about. I'm trying to find a
reasonalby priced 29er, but the selection is so small, and the ones out
there seem overweight and overpriced, due to low volume I assume. People
don't buy them because they don't know about them, who's fault is that. I
think if the major players pushed them, they would dominate the 26 in no
time. But they have a lot invested in the 26, so here I am stuck with
minimal choices.

Callistus Valerius said:

Does anyone know why Trek and Specialized are stonewalling the 29er
revolution? It's obvious to anyone now, that the 29er is the way to go.
Trek has a 69er, that is truely an extended middle finger to the 29er
movement. They make bikes, why not make something people want, and is
superior to what they offer now?

Excuse me while I yawn. I hope by people you don't mean the
unmarketeered of us?

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Callistus Valerius said:

I guess I didn't know what I was talking about. I'm trying to find a
reasonalby priced 29er, but the selection is so small, and the ones out
there seem overweight and overpriced, due to low volume I assume. People
don't buy them because they don't know about them, who's fault is that. I
think if the major players pushed them, they would dominate the 26 in no
time.

And pray tell why would that happen?

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Quoted message said:

As for SBC, I assume you are refering to their attempt to block 29ers
from UCI competition. Eityher that or you just have your head up your
@ss. While it is true that they tried to block them from competition,
that was probably because it takes a while for large companies to pull
new models together. It has been well documented that Filip Meirhaeghe
had asked that Specialized develop a 29 for him in 2002/2003, of
course all that was put on hold in 2004. Atleast there was some
trickle down from the Meirhaeghe disaster, Specialized 29er tires have
been available since last season.

The only worthwhile thing about the 29er devolution is that I can get
killer tires for my 'cross bike now:

http://tinyurl.com/25r3nm

Not legal in UCI sanctioned 'cross events but, hell, I don't race so who
cares?

Greg

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JD said:

On Jun 10, 9:28 am, "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Does anyone know why Trek and Specialized are stonewalling the 29er
revolution?

Because they are preparing for the 27er revolution, which has already
begun.

JD

pfft. Everybody knows 27 was so last year. I'm holding out for the
return of the penny farthing.

NotaKnob said:

JD said:

On Jun 10, 9:28 am, "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Does anyone know why Trek and Specialized are stonewalling the 29er
revolution?

Because they are preparing for the 27er revolution, which has already
begun.

JD

pfft. Everybody knows 27 was so last year. I'm holding out for the
return of the penny farthing.

No way, the revolution has just begun:

">> Oh, you're going to love my 27" revival plan.

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Do tell! I've been working on one too. Love those Club Roost
CrossTerra Tire 27" x 1 3/8" tires.

First, we move on the CX market. We sell them as "29ers for 'cross"

Then, we convince the road market that just as 650c was driven out of
the market before, now 27" will drive 700c out of the market. The key
moment will be when we convince 27" roadies to start referring to 700c
wheels as "triathlete wheels." All good things follow from that.

Finally, we get Grant to just Haaate 27" wheels. That should ensure
their triumphant arrival, atop cheesy replicas of expensive road bikes,
at the gates of the department stores." - Ryan Cousineau

Greg

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G.T. said:

Callistus Valerius said:

Does anyone know why Trek and Specialized are stonewalling the 29er
revolution? It's obvious to anyone now, that the 29er is the way to go.
Trek has a 69er, that is truely an extended middle finger to the 29er
movement. They make bikes, why not make something people want, and is
superior to what they offer now?

Excuse me while I yawn. I hope by people you don't mean the
unmarketeered of us?

To each their own sewer!

S

On Jun 10, 2:54 pm, "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Does anyone know why Trek and Specialized are stonewalling the 29er
revolution?

Quoted message said:

Lord I hope this is a bad troll.

Quoted message said:

Face it ...Trek via Fisher was the first major company to produce
multiple models of 29er. Why would a single corporation (trek/fisher)
produce bikes that directly compete for a niche market? As for the bet
on the 69/96 market, it only makes sense. The Fisher side continues to
produce the 29's and (somewhat under pressure from TB) Trek jumps into
the 69/96 market.

Quoted message said:

As for SBC, I assume you are refering to their attempt to block 29ers
from UCI competition. Eityher that or you just have your head up your
@ss. While it is true that they tried to block them from competition,
that was probably because it takes a while for large companies to pull
new models together. It has been well documented that Filip Meirhaeghe
had asked that Specialized develop a 29 for him in 2002/2003, of
course all that was put on hold in 2004. Atleast there was some
trickle down from the Meirhaeghe disaster, Specialized 29er tires have
been available since last season. Now, with the new models beginning
to trickle in, the new Stumpjumpers and Rockhopper 29ers will be out
shortly. (July-October?)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's obvious to anyone now, that the 29er is the way to go.

Quoted message said:

For what application?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Trek has a 69er, that is truely an extended middle finger to the 29er
movement.

Quoted message said:

How do you figure that?

Quoted message said:

55ers (69/96ers) are part of an evolution ...or outgrowth of the 29er
market. Trek openly said, last year, the T.B. had asked for a "69er"
and that if interest was good enough, it would go into production. How
is that "an extended middle finger" when they have not withdrawn any
29ers from the Fisher side of the company?

Quoted message said:

There have been small market producers of 69/96ers for several years
now and many of them produce 29ers as well.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

They make bikes, why not make something people want,

Quoted message said:

If 29ers were what "people want," then current demand would outstrip
production ....
or are you just looking for a wider selection?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and is superior to what they offer now?

Quoted message said:

Superior in what way? All bikes have drawbacks. Here are a few that
most everyone agrees with (there are more) for 29ers.

Quoted message said:

29ers are harder to spin up. They have a more limited tire selection
(although it is growing all the time). 29ers are harder to get around
tight switchbacks.

----------
I guess I didn't know what I was talking about.

You just seem trapped in 2002

Quoted message said:

I'm trying to find a
reasonalby priced 29er, but the selection is so small

Hmm the LBS here has ~30 something links.
http://tinyurl.com/2p8azj

Quoted message said:

and the ones out
there seem overweight and overpriced, due to low volume I assume.

Volume seems pretty well matched to demand.

Quoted message said:

People don't buy them because they don't know about them, who's fault is that.

Interesting question, my guess would be the people.

Quoted message said:

I think if the major players pushed them,

Top down demand ... interesting.

Actually, with the flat market many of the "major" players are looking
to push into niche markets. They are really just hoping to hit the
next big thing ... even if they don't know why.

Quoted message said:

they would dominate the 26 in no time.

Fisher has been at it for what ~5 or 6 seasons now ... how long is no
time.

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But they have a lot invested in the 26,

Hmmm ... what do they have invested in 26?

Quoted message said:

so here I am stuck with minimal choices.

Look around.

R

Quoted message said:

G.T. said:

Callistus Valerius said:

Does anyone know why Trek and Specialized are stonewalling the 29er
revolution? It's obvious to anyone now, that the 29er is the way to go.
Trek has a 69er, that is truely an extended middle finger to the 29er
movement. They make bikes, why not make something people want, and is
superior to what they offer now?

Quoted message said:

Excuse me while I yawn. I hope by people you don't mean the
unmarketeered of us?

To each their own sewer!

S

typo ....geez

R

On Jun 10, 1:54 pm, "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

But they have a lot invested in the 26

I guess you are a true idiot. By saying "they", are you referring to
the bicycle companies, or the millions more people who own and ride
26" tired mountain bikes instead of the "magical" 29er? Get this, a
lot of people ride bicycles, not hype.

JD

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But they have a lot invested in the 26

I guess you are a true idiot. By saying "they", are you referring to
the bicycle companies, or the millions more people who own and ride
26" tired mountain bikes instead of the "magical" 29er? Get this, a
lot of people ride bicycles, not hype.

JD

---------------
Millions who were all part of a big mistake. Should we condemn the million
who follow........to the same mistake. Junk the 26 now, don't even make
another one, outlaw them.

Callistus Valerius said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But they have a lot invested in the 26

I guess you are a true idiot. By saying "they", are you referring to
the bicycle companies, or the millions more people who own and ride
26" tired mountain bikes instead of the "magical" 29er? Get this, a
lot of people ride bicycles, not hype.

JD

---------------
Millions who were all part of a big mistake. Should we condemn the million
who follow........to the same mistake. Junk the 26 now, don't even make
another one, outlaw them.

You're a tool.

Greg
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G.T. said:

Callistus Valerius said:

Quoted message said:

> But they have a lot invested in the 26

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I guess you are a true idiot. By saying "they", are you referring to
the bicycle companies, or the millions more people who own and ride
26" tired mountain bikes instead of the "magical" 29er? Get this, a
lot of people ride bicycles, not hype.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

JD

---------------
Millions who were all part of a big mistake. Should we condemn the million
who follow........to the same mistake. Junk the 26 now, don't even make
another one, outlaw them.

You're a tool.

You rate him way to high ... He's more a tool bag than a tool.

R

G.T. said:

Callistus Valerius said:

Quoted message said:

> But they have a lot invested in the 26

I guess you are a true idiot. By saying "they", are you referring to
the bicycle companies, or the millions more people who own and ride
26" tired mountain bikes instead of the "magical" 29er? Get this, a
lot of people ride bicycles, not hype.

JD

---------------
Millions who were all part of a big mistake. Should we condemn the
million
who follow........to the same mistake. Junk the 26 now, don't even make
another one, outlaw them.

You're a tool.

Greg

It seems like we get one of his type every three months or so. He must
be the new Bruno.

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Ride-A-Lot [email protected] said:

G.T. said:

Callistus Valerius said:

>> But they have a lot invested in the 26

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I guess you are a true idiot. By saying "they", are you referring to
> the bicycle companies, or the millions more people who own and ride
> 26" tired mountain bikes instead of the "magical" 29er? Get this, a
> lot of people ride bicycles, not hype.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> JD
---------------
Millions who were all part of a big mistake. Should we condemn the
million
who follow........to the same mistake. Junk the 26 now, don't even make
another one, outlaw them.

Quoted message said:

You're a tool.

Quoted message said:

Greg

It seems like we get one of his type every three months or so. He must
be the new Bruno.

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There's the connection ... Bruno is the TOOL ... And this guy is the
bag.

"Ride-A-Lot" <mitchell@[nospam]schnauzers.ws> wrote in message
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G.T. said:

Callistus Valerius said:

>> But they have a lot invested in the 26
>
> I guess you are a true idiot. By saying "they", are you referring to
> the bicycle companies, or the millions more people who own and ride
> 26" tired mountain bikes instead of the "magical" 29er? Get this, a
> lot of people ride bicycles, not hype.
>
> JD
---------------
Millions who were all part of a big mistake. Should we condemn the
million
who follow........to the same mistake. Junk the 26 now, don't even make
another one, outlaw them.

You're a tool.

Greg

It seems like we get one of his type every three months or so. He must be
the new Bruno.

He actually posts quite a bit on r.b.t. but usually not as trollish as this
thread.

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Ride-A-Lot [email protected] said:

G.T. said:

Callistus Valerius wrote:
>>> But they have a lot invested in the 26

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> I guess you are a true idiot. By saying "they", are you referring to
>> the bicycle companies, or the millions more people who own and ride
>> 26" tired mountain bikes instead of the "magical" 29er? Get this, a
>> lot of people ride bicycles, not hype.

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>> JD
> ---------------
> Millions who were all part of a big mistake. Should we condemn the
> million
> who follow........to the same mistake. Junk the 26 now, don't even make
> another one, outlaw them.

Quoted message said:

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You're a tool.

Quoted message said:

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Greg

Quoted message said:

It seems like we get one of his type every three months or so. He must
be the new Bruno.

Quoted message said:

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ah ah, death to you

JD