A chart for risk

Greens said:

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dying.jpg
If you remember that discussion we had some time ago about "dangerous"
activities. This chart maps out the stats in a vivid sort of way. It is safe
for work and not gross or anything.

Since life is fatal, inexorably, may as well ride now!
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

A Muzi said:

Greens said:

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dying.jpg
If you remember that discussion we had some time ago about "dangerous"
activities. This chart maps out the stats in a vivid sort of way. It
is safe for work and not gross or anything.

Since life is fatal, inexorably, may as well ride now!

No, wait.....

According to that chart, riding around in a car powered by fireworks
should still be 34 times as safe as riding a bicycle.....
~

Greens said:

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dying.jpg

If you remember that discussion we had some time ago about "dangerous"
activities. This chart maps out the stats in a vivid sort of way. It
is safe for work and not gross or anything.

Pretty chart.

{pause}

Pretty USELESS, that is!

Bill "engage in middle activity to prevent first COD" S.

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Quoted message said:

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dying.jpg

If you remember that discussion we had some time ago about "dangerous"
activities. This chart maps out the stats in a vivid sort of way. It is
safe for work and not gross or anything.

What isn't discussed is how less active people like cyclists are to die from
the most serious of risks - heart disease.

Jeff

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Greens said:

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dying.jpg
If you remember that discussion we had some time ago about
"dangerous" activities. This chart maps out the stats in a vivid sort
of way. It is safe for work and not gross or anything.

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A Muzi said:

Since life is fatal, inexorably, may as well ride now!

DougC said:

No, wait.....
According to that chart, riding around in a car powered by fireworks
should still be 34 times as safe as riding a bicycle.....

Funny.
If you believe that, go ahead.
As far as 'riding' versus 'death' observe the 'heart failure' section.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dying.jpg

If you remember that discussion we had some time ago about "dangerous"
activities. This chart maps out the stats in a vivid sort of way. It is
safe for work and not gross or anything.

What isn't discussed is how less active people like cyclists are to die
from the most serious of risks - heart disease.

Jeff

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Heart disease is number the number one cause of death as listed on that
chart. Of course heart disease tends to kill an older person. Sooner or
later something has to take you out and that's why cancer, stroke and heart
disease are at the top.

"The average age for a first heart attack is 65.8 years for men and 70.4
years for women."

"In 2003, the average age of
bicyclists killed was 35.8 years,

and the average age of those

injured was 26.5 years."

One way to look at it is by number of years lost. I think the average male
lives to 70. If he dies by that first heart attack, he only loses 4.2 years
off his average life expectancy. The average cyclist loses 34.2 years.
That's nearly half a lifetime vs. 4.2 years. The death of the cyclist is
therefore more disruptive and tragic. Chances are his kids aren't fully
grown.

Considering all the exercise, how much longer is a cyclist going to live if
he doesn't get hit by a car*? From what I remember he can expect to live 3
years longer than a couch potato so he risks the loss of half a lifetime to
gain 3 years and a higher level of fitness throughout life.

*After all cyclists die of cancer and heart disease too.

Greens said:

Considering all the exercise, how much longer is a cyclist going to live if
he doesn't get hit by a car*? From what I remember he can expect to live 3
years longer than a couch potato so he risks the loss of half a lifetime to
gain 3 years and a higher level of fitness throughout life.

It's not a one to one exchange. You are talking about trading a remote
possibility for a definite probability.

But I don't think it works like that anyway. I think people who ride
bikes (or excerice regularly in other ways) live longer because of who
they are and the types of choices they make, not so much because they
happen to exercise. I think exercise is more of an indicator than a
cause.

Joseph

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"Greens" <[email hidden]> wrote

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http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dying.jpg
If you remember that discussion we had some time ago about "dangerous"
activities. This chart maps out the stats in a vivid sort of way. It is
safe for work and not gross or anything.

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"Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

What isn't discussed is how less active people like cyclists are to die
from the most serious of risks - heart disease.

Greens said:

Heart disease is number the number one cause of death as listed on that
chart. Of course heart disease tends to kill an older person. Sooner or
later something has to take you out and that's why cancer, stroke and heart
disease are at the top.
"The average age for a first heart attack is 65.8 years for men and 70.4
years for women."
"In 2003, the average age of bicyclists killed was 35.8 years,
and the average age of those injured was 26.5 years."
One way to look at it is by number of years lost. I think the average male
lives to 70. If he dies by that first heart attack, he only loses 4.2 years
off his average life expectancy. The average cyclist loses 34.2 years.
That's nearly half a lifetime vs. 4.2 years. The death of the cyclist is
therefore more disruptive and tragic. Chances are his kids aren't fully
grown.
Considering all the exercise, how much longer is a cyclist going to live if
he doesn't get hit by a car*? From what I remember he can expect to live 3
years longer than a couch potato so he risks the loss of half a lifetime to
gain 3 years and a higher level of fitness throughout life.

*After all cyclists die of cancer and heart disease too.

`"In 2003, the average age of bicyclists killed was 35.8 years"
I'm overdue?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Greens said:

"In 2003, the average age of
bicyclists killed was 35.8 years,

and the average age of those

injured was 26.5 years."

Is that averaging in the fatalities that occur before the age of 12? My
guess is that the distribution is clustered in the childhood years, with
an extremely long tail into the post-retirement years and that the long
tail is what raises the average out of childhood.

No point lumping in cautious, skilled adult cyclists with incautious,
unskilled children (who engage in many types of dangerous riding the
rest of us wouldn't go near). Do you have an average-age-killed figure
limited to adult, experienced cyclists?

Mark J.

Mark said:

Is that averaging in the fatalities that occur before the age of 12? My
guess is that the distribution is clustered in the childhood years, with
an extremely long tail into the post-retirement years and that the long
tail is what raises the average out of childhood.

Taken alone, an "average" is about the most useless statistic ever
developed.

..

air/space crashes and bicycle accidents? something wrong there

anyway, yawl making an unfounded assumption here - excercise is not
proven to increase lifespan
there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life.
as an alternative to excercise yields longer life one could say
drinking water yields longer life or nutrition, of course yields ...
but excercise itself does not.
caws the total group would excercise but not....
Jim Beatty smoked!
Pistol Pete...

datakoll aka gene daniels said:

...
there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life....

That would only make life SEEM longer. Time drags when your not having fun.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!

Tom Sherman said:

datakoll aka gene daniels said:

...
there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life....

That would only make life SEEM longer. Time drags when your not having fun.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!

I ride so fast my internal clock slows down.

Joseph

aka Joseph Santaniello said:

Tom Sherman said:

datakoll aka gene daniels said:

...
there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life....

That would only make life SEEM longer. Time drags when your not having fun.

I ride so fast my internal clock slows down.

Does your increased mass compensate for the shorter distance?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!

Tom Sherman said:

aka Joseph Santaniello said:

Tom Sherman said:

datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:

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> ...
> there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
> of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
> lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life....
That would only make life SEEM longer. Time drags when your not having fun.

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I ride so fast my internal clock slows down.

Does your increased mass compensate for the shorter distance?

I suppose that explains a lot!

But at least my kit is blue so the guys trying to hold my wheel don't
lose sight of me as I move south in the visible spectrum.

Joseph

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datakoll said:

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air/space crashes and bicycle accidents? something wrong there

anyway, yawl making an unfounded assumption here - excercise is not
proven to increase lifespan
there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life.
as an alternative to excercise yields longer life one could say
drinking water yields longer life or nutrition, of course yields ...
but excercise itself does not.
caws the total group would excercise but not....
Jim Beatty smoked!
Pistol Pete...

You continue to mention CHO. I do not recognize CHO
as an official chemical formula or as a common usage
among chemists. What is it supposed to be?

--
Michael Press

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:37:40 -0700, Michael Press <[email hidden]>

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datakoll said:

.

air/space crashes and bicycle accidents? something wrong there

anyway, yawl making an unfounded assumption here - excercise is not
proven to increase lifespan
there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life.
as an alternative to excercise yields longer life one could say
drinking water yields longer life or nutrition, of course yields ...
but excercise itself does not.
caws the total group would excercise but not....
Jim Beatty smoked!
Pistol Pete...

You continue to mention CHO. I do not recognize CHO
as an official chemical formula or as a common usage
among chemists. What is it supposed to be?

Dear Michael,

http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=cho&string=exact

CHOeers,

Carl Fogel

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datakoll said:

air/space crashes and bicycle accidents? something wrong there
anyway, yawl making an unfounded assumption here - excercise is not
proven to increase lifespan
there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life.
as an alternative to excercise yields longer life one could say
drinking water yields longer life or nutrition, of course yields ...
but excercise itself does not.
caws the total group would excercise but not....
Jim Beatty smoked!
Pistol Pete...

Michael Press said:

You continue to mention CHO. I do not recognize CHO
as an official chemical formula or as a common usage
among chemists. What is it supposed to be?

Genespeak for 'alcohol'

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/alcohol/alcohol_chemistry.shtml
says, more descriptively, "C2H6O"
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Quoted message said:

datakoll said:

air/space crashes and bicycle accidents? something wrong there
anyway, yawl making an unfounded assumption here - excercise is not
proven to increase lifespan
there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life.
as an alternative to excercise yields longer life one could say
drinking water yields longer life or nutrition, of course yields ...
but excercise itself does not.
caws the total group would excercise but not....
Jim Beatty smoked!
Pistol Pete...

Michael Press said:

You continue to mention CHO. I do not recognize CHO
as an official chemical formula or as a common usage
among chemists. What is it supposed to be?

Genespeak for 'alcohol'

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/alcohol/alcohol_chemistry.shtml
says, more descriptively, "C2H6O"
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971